How do families/ dojos work?

>american
>unable to understand how people can just break the law and get away with it
it's like, there's a reason al capone could go to baseball games and stuff without someone clapping him in irons

italian actually

>Majima
>relatable
Hahahaha no. Guessing you're a 0fag? Majima's problems are pretty unique to his profession, and if you think you have a similar personality then you're on the same level as the Gamers Rise Up gang.

How long are the Yakuza games (specially 0)? Sekiro comes out next week and I don't want to eat more than I can chew

It took me 41 hours to finish on normal

ok, i'm sorry for just assuming like that.

They're technically ilegal, but they do good stuff for the community as well, like keeping most of the real dangerous criminals at bay. So they're not persecuted as much. The biggest Yakuzas are mostly business men, rarely involved in violence, so there's that.
I've heard things have changed in the last few years, though, so Yakuzas might actually be in the brink of extinction, but don't quote me on that.

on howlongyoucanbeat.com Yakuza Kiwami is around 17 hours, usually they're right with the timings

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>but they do good stuff for the community as well, like keeping most of the real dangerous criminals at bay
actually they're drug dealing, gun-running, person-torturing criminals user.

"the hell's angels are so cool! they ride motorbikes and have cool leather jackets and don't take any shit!" (is gunned down in turf war over some meth shack)

They're not your typical Mexican cartel. Their territory is legal businesses with (not) so legal procedures.

Those are low rank yakuzas. The ones that the police actually give two fuck about.

yakuza wasn't ... realistic. it feels odd just saying that but here i am, saying maybe the "canonical 40-year-old virgin beats up 'street ruffians' forever in between buying softcore pornography for small children" series isn't 100% accurate to life

Pretty much the same as how Scottish Clans worked. You had the main Clan and then septs which were smaller families/clans that served the main Clan.

Majima fighting styles:
>Punch them
>Use a bat for more power
>Dance and hit them with style
>Go crazy on them

Kiryu fighting styles:
>Punch them
>Punch them harder
>Punch them faster
>Punch them even harder and faster

How can 50 years old boomers taking care of someone's child even compete?

17 hours is rushing, if you do all the substories and unlock the entire Dragon of Dojima tree it will take you longer. Longer again if you do all the minigames, gambling etc for the completion points.

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I got around 150 hours out of 0 and i don't even do everything.

I mean they try to keep the Triads out, so he's not entirely wrong. For all the human trafficking, drug dealing, slavery and murdering they do, the Chinese somehow manage to be worse.

didn't*

Career criminals often try to ingratiate themselves to their neighborhood both for their ego's sake and to discourage snitching.

>mtf discord tranny gets assblasted by japanese virgin

20-40 hours for a normal playthrough unless you're skipping every substory and minigame, then it's around 10-30 depending on the game. 0 should be in the 20ish range for just the main story and a handful of substories.

They're right for regular playthroughs but their 100% times are way off. Yakuza 3, 4, 5, and Kiwami in particular. The only way Kiwami is taking 90 hours is if you did the Shogi 100,000 and mahjong #1 and even that seems like a stretch of 10 or 20 hours.

I did the main story, did some sidestories as I came across them and powered up the dragon style completely and it took me about 30 hours.
If you haven't played Kiwami beforehand, you can skip out on the Dragon Style because you pretty much only want to power it up all the way when you want to use if exclusively and that's mostly an issue for anyone that played 0 beforehand and wants something else than the same three fucking styles again. Otherwise going up to Tiger Drop is entirely enough to shit on every boss on hard that isn't gimmicky bullshit.

It's like the mafia, if you have any understanding of how that works. I mean vaguely similar.

The Yakuza is a criminal organization. In the game, the main organization you follow is the Tojo Clan. There's a single ruler, the Chairman, of the Tojo clan. They oversee all the clans, and these clans make up the Tojo Clan.

People who serve the organization well become "patriarchs," and can become the leaders of their own clans. For example, the Dojima family, which Kiryu is a part of, is led by a man named Sohei Dojima. He's the ruler of this family. Under him are lieutenants, other members of his family that have served him well and been promoted to positions of power.

Think of it as an almost sort of feudal system, or even military hierarchy. There's a king, the main ruler, then a few really important people under him (dukes). Say there are 5 "dukes," then each of the dukes may have 3 of their own counts, and the counts have maybe hundreds of "knights" under them. The structure is pretty much the same.

As for "being born into it," some people are and some people are invited in. Again, it's an organized crime family, so people will join for whatever reason.

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>well the hell's angels keep the cartels out so they're alright in my book!

i just don't think the ends justify the means. hooray the yakuza are picking up litter!, that doesn't mean people trafficking is cool and good though. it's bad. they're bad people doing bad, terrible things out of selfishness.

the game series is good but come on.

it's weird how 0 is better than Kiwami by virtue of 0 being mainly about nishiki and majima's story. kiwami is a 2005 game with a modern engine and it's really obvious, like it feels like DLC for 0

Yeah no neither do I. Real yakuza/mafia are criminals and parasites. But the games are fun, I'll give them that.

Basically the entire Yakuza organizations you see in Tokyo/Kamurocho are under one entity; the Tojo Clan. There's also the Omi Alliance, an entirely separate rival clan of Yakuza, though they only make small appearances in Yakuza 1.

The Chairman of the Tojo Clan is essentially they higher power every Yakuza in the Tojo Clan ultimately answers to, at the start of Yakuza 1 that is Chariman Sera.
Ranking below the Chairman are the Patriarch of the families that serve directly under Tojo HQ. At the start of Yakuza 1 the families that you know about (That aren't second tier) are the Dojima Family and Shimano Family.
Then you have second tier families which are allowed to form with permission of the Patriarch of their family. So in Yakuza 1 the Kazama Family and the family Kiryu was about to form were apart of the Dojima Family. The Majima Family is under the Shimano Family.

So lets take an example of Yakuza 1, the pecking order is like this;
Shinji (Grunt) < Katsuragi (Kazama Family Captain) < Kiryu (Dojima Family Lietenant/Advisor) < Kazama (Kazama Family Patriarch & Dojima Family Captain) < Dojima (Dojima Family Patriarch) < Masaru Sera (Tojo Clan Chairman).

Not too complicated, right?

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>it's weird how 0 is better than Kiwami by virtue of 0 being mainly about nishiki and majima's story.
Lol no, it's more that Kiwami is a straight remake of a PS2 game with parts inserted for continuity with 0. 0 was a much more recent entry in the series, and since when is 0 more about Nishiki than Kiryu?

I rather accept live with a lesser evil than a greater one, if I had a choice.

Think of it from the perspective of a store's hierarchy. You have your CEO (Clan leader) who runs the show. Below him you have a district manager (Patriarch) who answers to him and demands sales and determines what will sell and where (What crimes his underlings will deal, what they will extort, etc). Below him is the store manager (Lieutenant) who works at a much more local level to figure out sales in the direct area and what jobs need to be addressed. Finally you have the common mooks. Obviously this is missing all the smaller jobs in between each one but you understand the gist of it. You can also have smaller families following a Patriarch who answer to the Lieutenant but they follow the Patriach's word even more.

The working class (Random people who are too low on the totem pole) can ascend to higher rungs after work and dedication and eventually run their own families. A simple example of this is Nishiki in 1, Majima in 2, Mine in 3, and Saejima in 4. All of them were essentially nobodies that rose the ranks because of their work or because of knowing Daigo and they came to command people under Daigo's banner of the Tojo Clan. Mine for example was simply picked up off the streets.

5's dragon of dojima style is still the best style in the series.

What about the whole episode with Sera giving Majima a gun and then Shimano shooting some Omi dude at the end of 0?
I'm literally too much of a brainlet to understand any of that shit.

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0 is almost twice as long as Kiwami. I´d say start it after Sekiro and cherish every minute of it.

>Shimano shooting some Omi dude at the end of 0?
The "Omi dude" was the leader of the Omi clan at the time. It's why Sagawa gets killed. Sagawa was basically going behind the Omi's back to work with Shimano and so he had the target painted on his back once Shimano shot the guy.

>mad dog style in kiwami 2
damn, it really feels like arse to play with after playing with kiryu's style.

Don't rush through the Yakuza games. 50% of the fun of every single game comes from all of the side quests.

>damn, it really feels like arse to play with after playing with kiryu's style.
Because it's a really underdeveloped style in Yakuza Kiwami 2.
I kinda wish they didn't include Majima's story at all if they were gonna half-ass it. The intro scene and I guess the Makoto scenes are the only parts of it that were enjoyable. Playing as Majima sucked, the way encounters work sucked, and the story itself was nonsensical outside of the Makoto stuff.

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They also rushed the hell out of the story in general. It's amazing how they introduce three new guys and Dio is the only one who is around for more than two scenes.

>I kinda wish they didn't include Majima's story at all if they were gonna half-ass it
yeah.
i would've rather had more content side content in the main game itself, since i'm more likely to replay that as opposed to this side story.

>Overcompensating because you're waifu died and being LE CUH-RAZY unstable meme man
>Better than Kazuma "Just when I thought I was out! They pull me back in" Kiryu who takes on the entire Japanese mafia, gets offered to then lead them and turns it down to go raise some orphans

Besides. "I don want no trubble" leads who proceed to then fuck everyones shit up royally are always more badass than those who go looking for it

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>0
Depends on how thorough you are. If you're not rushing through stuff and complete most of the side content you encounter alongside some mini-games and shit it should take AT LEAST ~80 hours
>Kiwami
Literally just beat it yesterday. Did most things, completed all but one side quest although never spent too much time with the mini-games unless it was required for a date/side-ques since I'm kind of burnt out on them after 0. Took me 45 hours.
It's also really frustrating combat-wise and overall kind of garbage in terms of pretty much everything else. Majima everywhere sucks ass once the novelty wears off too.

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The devs themselves don't really seem to give a shit, most families established aren't mentioned again outside of their debut game

0fags are really desperate to downplay Kiryu's involvement in the game for some reason. I don't particularly care for Kiryu much either but why 0fags specifically do this I don't really understand.

So I finished both Yakuza 0 and Kiwami, and noticed Kiwami is a lot shorter. Are the other games also shorter than 0, or was Kiwami just the exception?
Looking forward to playing Kiwami 2 after Sekiro, anons.

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>Sera giving Majima a gun
Literally just a power play. "If you can't trust me, kill me" and that.

>mfw you get tiger drop and start absolutely memeing on everyone in the arena in Kiwami
Is there even a better feeling

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Dancing was so overpowered it made Majima's fights pretty boring. I prefer Kiryu's more badass and creative streetfighting to Majima's gimmicks

For a normal playthrough 2 and K2 are about 20ish hours, 3 is about the same, 4 is about as long as 0, Dead Souls I want to say was about 15-20 hours, 5 is longer than 0 at around high 20s into 30 hours, and 6 is about 15 hours, maybe a slight bit less. Kenzan is roughly the 15-20 hour range and Ishin is around 20. Fist of the North Star is about 18 hours.
For a 100% run 2 and K2 are about 70-80ish hours, 3's about 80-100ish, 4's about 110ish, Dead Souls should be about 90-100ish, 5's in the 160-200 range depending on how fast you are with the arena and certain minigames like chicken racing, and 6 is in the 40-50 range. Kenzan is roughly 100 hours with guides (I was at 80 with a bunch of minigames still left to complete), Ishin is about 140. Fist of the North Star is about 110-140 hours depending if you just want platinum or 100%.

Keep in mind these were my personal experiences but that should be roughly the amount of time if you just do the story and a bit of side content. 5 can easily reach above 40 if you do more than a handful of substories.

Haven't played Kiwami but the end of 1 when you're starting the climb to Nishiki and are fighting off the entirety of the family and have recently unlocked the ability to chain grapples into grapples is still one of the most satisfying parts of the series. 2 is still the best storywise though.

>most families established aren't mentioned again outside of their debut game
I dunno, I feel like the series does a good enough of a job of keeping important families still around in some form, they just normally don't take part of the central plot because normally they get wrecked so hard they're forced to disintegrate and merge into bigger clans, which the games story normally mentions when it happens.
For example Majima's clan swallowed up most of what was the Shimano family, and Kazama's family swallowed up most of what was the Dojima family, with the Nishiki family just forming new leadership under Shindo, and then after that forming under that fat fuck in Yakuza 3. And even outside of those guys you'll have run-ins with guys who didn't join another family after the disintegration of their own, usually guys who want you dead in substories.

Kiwami is the exception.

>chain grapples into grapples
you talking about the finishing hold ability, where you press circle after hitting an enemy with a finishing blow?

It usually only keeps certain families around or never mentions them again. Hamazaki's pretty much disappears as quickly as he does in 3, Majima's underling from either 3 or 4 is never heard from again, Katsuragi's doesn't even seem to have been absorbed after 4, Mine's is just not even anywhere after 3, multiple families from 5 weren't even mentioned in 6 since it was just Sugai and Someya. It always feels like family of the game x2 or x3 + Majima. Sometimes they don't even have Majima participating.

Yeah and then depending on the finisher you could do things to pick them back up in a juggle and keep it going

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God I'm so glad they've gotten better at directing. Such a tasteless fucking shot just like most of Y1

It's all pretty straightforward, you might actually be retarded if you don't get it during your first playthrough.

The face of a franchise ruiner

Clan > Family

Does it even matter anymore? Yakuza are being openly hunted down IRL now. Their era is over

Fuck, they better hurry up and announce 3-5 HD for the West, I'll buy a compilation (or bundle if available) in a heartbeat. Having only started this series on PS4 I can't believe I missed out on such a gold mine.

Man why don't the new games bring back the fun shit from 5 like hunting, drag racing and dance offs? Sure they were location based but they can shoehorn those in if they wanted to like that goddamn Clan Creator bullshit.

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Was tiger drop even in K2? I just finished playing it and realized I dont recall ever using it once unless I unlocked it and immediately forgot to ever use it.

For some reason newer Yakuza games dont have the same ambition as 5.

Eh take it as it comes user. When 5 dropped I went out and emulated 1 and 2 and bought 3/4/5 and felt like in my marathoning I
1. Didn't appreciate each game for itself and left a lot of content uncovered
2. Got really burnt out which led to less fun and less appreciation.

i'd rather we get more new minigames since i think it'd be tiring if they brought it back for another game or two.
the reason i say this, is because i was sick of the cabaret club and clan creator by the time i finished kiwami 2.

Nah.
Kiriyu ≥ Majima
Don't @ me

>tfw went off to to uni and left my PS4 right after I finished Zero
>Have been missing the Yakuza renaissance since and have a copy of Kiwami still sitting at home unplayed

1 and 2 are the best stories too so it really hurts not getting to experience them in the new system. Plus I still haven't gotten to play 6 and raise the bastard child.

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You should kill yourself! Too much of a pussy to go out in style? Drink bleach or something!

I say that because the new minigames suck. If they are going to rehash something bring back the fun ones at least.

i got 100 hours out of Yakuza 0, but 50 hours is a more reasonable estimate

I wasn't the one who asked, but I wanted to let you know your posts were nice read and appreciated.

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No shit. The series is heavily stylized like a lot of Japanese media. The constant brawling is obviously not meant to be realistic, especially like when Kiryu and a couple buddies take down 100+ dudes easily.

Yakuza Bros. Choose wisely.
Kuze fight or Ryuji.

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I thought you were making a case for why Kiryu's styles are so much better but it turns out you're a faggot lol

ryuji

Y2 Ryuji

There's something about the disconnect between Kiryu's "I want no part of this attitude," relatively straightforward fighting style and then the fucking murderous heat moves that makes him a blast to play in a way no other Yakuza character has been so far. I remember liking the police dude alright though.

When the FOOK are they going to make 4 and 5 emulatable that's all I want at this point

i think part of that is due to how kiryu's style has been continuously expanded upon with each entry.
it's probably the most well made style in the entire series, it's strong, fast, and has a substantial amount of options.

i wanna play that samurai yakuza game but i don't think it's even got a fan translation

"Prosecution" user, not to be confused with persecution.

The way everyone plays it is there's a text translation on GameFAQs or some shit that you can pull up and read along while you play.

Yeah but Kenzan is fully emulatable now. Just learn japanese bro I heard it's real easy

What I don't get is why Kiryu stayed under Dojima after he tried to set him up in the Empty lot murder.
Also Majima under Shimano after he tortured him so hard and for so long, including the eye loss

I'd sooner live in a society without organised criminals. Is there such thing as Canadian mafias? They'll probably be the chillest criminals around.

They lampshade the fuck out of the comments about their bad direction in Yakuza 0.

This is why people love this studio. They can make fun of themselves and show love to their customers.

Nice I actually wasn't sure if it was emulatable or not. I might give it a try, despite not knowing shit i actually have studied japanese a lot so i have some background knowledge

there's are families who are part of a big clan

Example, Dojima familiy, Kazama family, Shimano family, etc are all factions that belong to Tojo Clan.
Each head of each family is an appointed chairman to represent their family on the Tojo Clan.
Kiriyu is part of the Kazuma which then became part of Dojima familiy whose chiarman was the 1st of the Tojo Clan.

AFAIK they only need to be loyal to their respective families but not cause trouble to other families inside their clan because they (and their whole family, this actuslly part of Jpanese collective culture) can get punished for it. They also have territories designated for each familiy that are mandated by the clan and the chairmen.

Then there's shit like Oyabun who is the person who brought the yakuza members to the yakuza life I this case I think Kiriyus Oyabun is Shintaro Kazama, he takes orders from him and no one else, hes the only one Kyriyu has to be loyal to but then Shintaro would have his own Oyabun who could be someone else higher in the hierarchy.

In Majima's case he's stated that he's a loyal family man to the end. I don't understand how Shimano deserves his loyalty either but there it is.

Kiryu's motives are more farfetched. His explanation to Nishiki was just vague, supposedly his ordeal led him to the conclusion that staying in the Dojima family will help him realise his better self.

Both are serious bullshit plotholes imho
Like seriously,just join a different family and everything would work %200 better
Shimano probably wouldnt let Majima out though,that might be the case.

It is, it's the best way to beat the wrestler fights with the white health bars. It's also in 6 and Judgment. The timing's way different on it though and thanks to the randomness of enemies in the Dragon Engine it's a lot harder to pull off in general.

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Anybody got good Yakuza webm's. My GF is Jap and was asking about the series but I wasn't sure how to convey what the series is without visual aid. "Living daily Yakuza life" doesn't quite cut it.

Slut

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This should help explain things.

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Started playing Kiwami again after dropping it for some time in favor of Gravity Rush.
I just want to ask, is the kid at the park the one that hooks up with Haruka later on? He looks kind of chinese but I'm not sure.

Guys, I finished 0 and Kiwami 1 on PC recently and I'm fucking hooked. How does Kiwami 2 run on PS4? Contemplating on dusting off the old lady because there's no PC release in sight.

>How does Kiwami 2 run on PS4?
Yakuza 6 and Kiwami 2 both run poorly on PS4.

Ah tits. Is it at least a stable capped 30? 0 and Kiwami kind of spoiled me with 1080p144.

No, it's 30 and there's often frame drops.
You're going to have to wait for a PC release until you get to play either of those games at a stable framerate.
It's jarring going from 0/Kiwami to Yakuza Kiwami 2/6 as a result.

Depends what model of PS4 you have. As far as we know it's 900p on standard PS4s, 1080p on Pros. 6 runs at 30 with drops and screen tearing on a base PS4 after the patches, 30 stable but there's very rare drops on karaoke and certain cutscenes on a Pro. K2 is solid 30 on both. Obviously a bunch of items exploding or you being in Ultimate Heat punching stuff and having particle effects everywhere will drop the framerate on either system.

It's worth mentioning I played it on a base PS4, not PS4 Pro. It's probably far more stable on PS4 pro, but on the base PS4 it has frame drops out the ass.

Just finished Yakuza 2 (PS2) and i have a couple of questions:
So Terada was one of the evil assholes or he outkeikaku'd them all with the fuse because of his respect for Kazama?
Why didn't they end Kiryu's story here? It really felt like an end to his horueny

Has anyone here played JUDGO EYEZO yet?
Is it at least alright?

Thanks guys, very informative. PS4 standard model here.
I guess I'll wait until E3 for a PC announcement. If there's none until then, I'll cave and jump to PS4.
Might even be a good conditioning exercise because I don't think I can wait for the 3/4/5 remasters, which will make jumping back to PS3 necessary, dear God.

Kiryu>nishiki>shimano>majima

Terada was committed to the Jingweon plan until right near the end. He basically took the fuse out of respect towards Kazama and Kiryu.
>Why didn't they end Kiryu's story here?
It got popular. Obviously they had the workings of a new series so they'd keep it going. They should have moved over to someone new but it was possibly the same problem that plagued Power Rangers where Saban was scared kids wouldn't like the new suits so here it would be they were scared taking Kiryu away would make fans go.

Played the chapter 1 demo (You can get it with a JP account). It's fun and a nice step for the Dragon Engine. They also brought back instant-fight intros that K2 took away.

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Well 0 was my first Yakuza game (PC player) and i don't get why the fags are trying to downplay Kiryu when 0 is kmuch more about him than Nishiki, Nishiki is a supporting character to Kiryu ffs.

Clan literally means family.

>Nishiki
>Shimano
Only if we're talking about PS2 games

we're talking strenghwise

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i like the fact that they got an english speaker as richardsons va.
i hope they do it again at some point in this series.

Why is Kiryu fighting a Grammaton Cleric?

kiryu... you know you dont fight em
you just run em over it's what you do.