Super Mario Bullshit

it takes time and money and if they’re not 100% certain they’ll make 900% profit from the money put into such a decision, then they will pussy foot it

Why the fuck wasn't Wario in NSMB2? The game was about collecting a shitton of coins, Wario would have fit right in.

>no ending where Wario loots Bowser's castle while Mario walks away with Peach

have you seen minions? ninty wants toadboy on the same power level

Miyamoto has been done for years. Should’ve retired before he fucked paper mario into oblivion.

fukkin checked. trips speaks the truth

This still confuses the shit out of me. Prime example of how strict Nintendo is about character not made in house.

Who wants to bet we won't see anyone outside the usual NSMB cast in the Mario movie?

>Defending laziness
I'm glad NSMB is dying with the Switch port.

Just give us Wario Land!

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>then you gotta figure out the forth character and make assets for them too
If only Wario had some sort of counterpart they could pair him up with.

waluigi is lankier than wario and the bros and would be even more cumbersome to animate

This is the year bro... I can feel it

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>He hasn't played Splatoon or Odyssey

>Still justifying NSMB's laziness

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Maybe Stanley, or Foreman Spike. Heck, even Captain Syrup would work.

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I agre. Waluigi is not a well designed character. His proportions must be the primary reason for him staying spin off fodder.

>Japan
>SJWs

Not yet user, the infection is still in it's early stages on the eastern world, if anything filling it with new blood right now before SJWism catches on over there is the right choice since it will give us at least one more generation of good games before it all ends.

I just want Wario Land 5 with maybe Waluigi co-op. Is that too much to ask for?

It's all Miyamoto's fault, he hates any character he didn't have a hand in making.

NO

HAVE TEN BIRRION NEW SUPER MARIO BROS GAME INSTEAD

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They could just have Red Toad and Wario

no need to rehash a second Toad

Waluigi should get his own game.

It could be like Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland: a completely demented parody of the Mario universe that turns the formula on its head.

NSMB characters all play identically, since they wanted to make the games as simple as they could for casual audiences, and so that they can join in freely during games without getting confused about character-specific controls. Nabbit and Toadette have specific gimmicks and make them serve as 'Easy Mode' options for novice players, but they still control identically to Luigi/Mario.

The issue with Wario is that he has specific abilities closely associated with him in a 2D platformer, and adding him without them would feel like a poor implementation of the character. It's the same reason they didn't include Peach - her floating is too integral to not include, so they didn't put her in. Obviously there was some demand, so their compromise was to give Toadette a character-specific power-up (which doubled as a way to implement an Easy Mode option to the base NSMBU game) - even so, Toadette in her base form still plays identically to Mario (and Peachette functions more like the Flying Squirrel Power-Up than Peach herself). Even Luigi and Toad lose their specific abilities to maintain homogeneity, but their specific abilities are less closely associated with them than Peach's are with her (NSLU still does this, it's just now everyone just plays like SMB2 Luigi instead of having character-specific abilities like SMB2 did).

If they put in Wario, people would complain about the lack of shoulder barge/ability to toss around enemies freely (and probably that the general floaty physics of NSMB don't fit him), abilities they would assuredly not include because it goes against their design philosophy. I'm not saying that they're correct - the Tokyo team showed with SM3DW that you can definitely execute NSMB-style co-op play with each character having some uniqueness - but with how they're approaching these games, they wouldn't do him justice - which, at least when it comes to Peach, is something they know.

>I'm glad NSMB is dying with the Switch port.

Look into your heart you know Mario Maker to be NSMB rebranded.

Sirry gaijin. No such thing as too much Toads.

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just make psycho waluigi canon

At least you're not forced to use the god awful plastic NSMB graphics.

>New Blood
>40-50 year olds.

>Toadette gets playable over literally any other spinoff character
ok, who thought this was a good idea?

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most things from the mario/wario land games don't get much love

youtube.com/watch?v=4liGSYv9NtE

that weird time when wario was the actual main villain

She debuted in Mario Kart, so she was created by EAD rather than some other development team or third party. It's the same reason she also made appearances in Galaxy (cameo in the backstory) and Odyssey.

Bunny Wario returning when?

If only they knew what they would unleash upon the internet.

Agreed. Roads are much more easier and more marketable. I buy every Nintendo game, but I rather have toads in games than Wario. Let him face his own games

boss theme is more fitting

youtube.com/watch?v=e-aBw_B9QBk

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youtube.com/watch?v=VGPdZInwfkU

bunny powerup returning at all would be a surprise

FUCK YOU, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS WARIO LAND.
HAVE ANOTHER HALF ASSED WARIOWARE GAME INSTEAD

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They've been pushing Toadette ever since Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. I'd wager she'll be in Illuminations Super Mario Bros movie too.

I think what Nintendo are doing are focusing on a core cast and slowly add to the iconic cast of characters. Toadette is cute so she becomes popular it's beneficial for them, since they're probably interested in selling dolls of pic related.

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Mario Maker actually lets you choose your visual style, that alone trumps NSMB.

And if that's what they intend to have from here on, No problems here.

Wario in SM64DS was just a slower, heavier Mario, though he did have the Wild Swing Ding in multiplayer. Everything you mentioned is on NSMB, there's no room for branching out or expanding, it's just too safe. Even Doki Doki Mario Edition coming off the first game expanded greatly by making Peach and Toad playable with different stats and picking up as a mechanic. The soulless meme applies to NSMB to a T, it's really that bland.

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The core problem there is that Wario has evolved into such a distinct character, that it would be unusual to make him play like Mario in a 2D side scroller.

It worked in a 3D title with Super Mario 64 DS, because they could make changes to character attributes, make the metal transformation Wario's own, and give him emphasis on punching attacks.

WHY THE FUCK DON'T WE HAVE THIS IN SMASH
WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE ONE FUCKING WARIOLAND SONG
WHY ARE THE WARIOWARE SONGS MOSTLY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SAME FUCKING SONG
GODDAMNIT I KNOW YOU HATE THE SERIES NINTENDO BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SO DIRECT ABOUT IT

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Toadette was also made in house. So that's why

>Nintendo: What's a Dixie Kong?

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rejoice, my wariobros.
together, we will unite against nintendo for shitting on our beloved series and giving us shovelware minigame collections

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im shocked they remembered classic paper mario actually

This is probably where Alpha Dream could probably do something great, with a Mario & Luigi title with Wario & Waluigi as an opposing playable team, akin to Bowser's Inside Story.

Whilst they wouldn't be using hammers to attack, they could still do jumps or their own "Brute Moves" (since they're not actually brothers), that would incorporate Waluigi's dancing flare, Wario's bike or fascination with shaking money sacks, etc.
It could go as far as Wario picking up Waluigi by the legs, straightening him out, and using him as a blunt weapon or bat to strike something into an enemy.

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all for business
please understand

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It feels like they avoid female Kongs for a reason.
Especially with weird shit like aging up Tiny Kong who is younger than Dixie Kong, and then there's also Candy Kong.

nintendo seems to have a genuine dislike of using characters that didn't originate in-studio, example being them reaching for female characters (example being the metals and babies in mario kart) while they have all of warioware and fucking captain syrup who might as well not exist outside of warioland
i was really hoping with that "rivals" shit the k.rool trailer showed they'd have stopped fucking around and put her in smush but i guess any warioland content beyond a shoulderbash and one track from a recent game is too much to ask for
i cannot explain to you how enraged i am that this isn't one of his fucking taunts when its such a basic goddamn concept

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and to add salt to injuries, they only gave captain syrup a fucking jpeg in smash

>i cannot explain to you how enraged i am that this isn't one of his fucking taunts when its such a basic goddamn concept
But user it can be misconstrued as a nazi salute, can't have that now, what are you a nazi or somethin?

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Dixie Kong was starring in games without any fanfare before it was cool to make a big deal about female protagonists. She literally did what all these other female characters are doing decades ago. My girl keeps getting dogged.

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>Wario in SM64DS was just a slower, heavier Mario, though he did have the Wild Swing Ding in multiplayer.
SM64DS isn't a 2D platformer though, so there's less expectation for how Wario should play (I know there was Wario World, but that's a pretty obscure title. It's not like there was a long-running 3D Wario series like there was a 2D Wario). Mario 64 has a plethora of movement options compared to 2D Mario/Wario, so the absence of the Shoulder Barge isn't felt quite as much as it would be in a 2D game - in the very least, they still did attempt to preserve the essence of the character by making him slower, heavier and stronger (Yoshi similarly loses his multiple stored eggs, ability to aim where he spits enemies/throws eggs, and the precision of control in his Flutter Jump to adapt to SM64's play-style). Even something as simple as changing the 'weight' of the character isn't something they wouldn't attempt to do with NSMB.

Honestly, I'm really hoping that the Switch port is the end of the NSMB series. 2D Mario is in desperate need of another reboot - it's gotten stale, the games feel indistinct, and it doesn't feel like anything new is going to happen if they continue in this direction. Hopefully the 3D World style in Mario Maker 2 is an indication of a new direction they're intending to go with the series.

They even dogged her in the game's commerical

>Donkey Kong Country 3: Starring Kiddy Kong!

Why is Blackuigi trying to pick Wario's other nose?

It's Miyamoto. He hates characters he didn't design, or co-design.

Worst thing about this is he's trained so many people within Nintendo to follow the mindset. We'll be dealing with this long after Miyamoto is gone.

i know that was probably a exaggeration but even then it could just be a regular flex or even him lifting weights
im pretty sure they want his character to be fat and lazy despite being one of the most athletic characters in mario in almost every game, the fucker can throw stone statues twice his size but all he's allowed in smash is to fart and laugh
shigeru "if it aint a toad it can hit the road" miyamoto seems like he's way too fucking autistic about shit like that, i wish he'd hit the mellowing out stage of being a old man already

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And look how that turned out. She's back home in Tropical Freeze at least.

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Dixie is a pretty based gal, Diddy did Dixie wit his dix and she's not crying and sulking about it like the modern female have to do now.

who /pizzatower/ here?

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"Ruins WarioWare and kills Wario Land due to the sucess/popularity of her and WW"
Nothing personal kid

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You know the same guy does mario and warios voice right?

i don't follow a lot of indie games but this really charmed me, managed to capture both warioland and that grimey 90's style
hope it doesn't turn into vaporware like a lot of the others

ashleyfags need to be visited by chris hansen
all of them

My question to all of you is who is this "Wario" character you guys are talking about?

OP posted a picture of funny garlic farts man.

Wario isn't a good guy

Lifting those weights could have been his idle animation at the very least.

you guys would be disappointed because he wouldn't have shoulder charge or anything. he needs to get his own classic like wario game

She's in a healthy and happy heterosexual relationship. Do you really have to ask?

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thats bs but I believe it

Not retconning Spike into Wario was a mistake.

I want Waluigi's game to be classic God of War. M rated with sex scenes included.

Good point, she really is the best.

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Not retconning Koopa Kid into Bowser Jr. was a mistake.

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>Sicilian Luigi

Wario has too much personality compared to Mario. Luigi can be stripped of his traits and still function as a clone of Mario because people still know him as that from the older games. Wario has always been a highly distinct character who is inseparable from his characterization as a lazy, fat, greedy psychopath who is motivated entirely by self interest.

just recolor Mario and reveal his long lost brothers. it's tradition at this point

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>Going through such lengths just to maintain Peach as the damsel-in-distress

I mean, I get it, but at the same time, holy crap, they could have saved a lot of time and effort just by slapping Peach in it. Literally also a easy way in to "implement" a made up power-up item. What are they afraid of, just bloody put them rescuing a prince, it's not even that bloody difficult.

oh wait, that'd imply actual effort making one prince for a series lol never mind

if they put a prince, people will assume a love interest for peach other than mario and they don't want that

Sucks she's still not in Smash

>>copy model from miyamoto’s toad emporium usb

>Sicilian Waluigi
Have you ever actually met a Sicilian? We may be the "black sheep" but we're not THAT dark.

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>we're

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Nintendo looking for Minions level with Toads when they should be striving for Marvel level with their unique characters

Why can't it be platonic? Also, why on earth would that be such a problem? But given I've seen people ass pained about that one movie, I'm not surprised, even though I think it'd give the trope a spin for a change. At least there was Super Princess Peach, which had Peach rescue Mario.

Can you imagine going to other kingdoms and rescuing other royal figures? Wait, you already did that in SMB3 and SML. They really do want to keep Mario safe and sterile. Even Mickey Mouse has more freedom.

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I see this exact phrasing thrown around a lot, and while it's plain to see that Nintendo tends to shy away from actually utilizing the wealth of characters in the expanded Mario universe, is there any actual evidence of Miyamoto's opinions on characters created by other people or that this is some sort of active enforcement that's all on him? Yes, we know that he likes to keep things simple and that he tends to be skeptical about new OCs, but to jump straight to saying this is about "hate" sounds like an emotionally charged projection not unlike saying Sakurai hates your favorite character because they're not in Smash. Already people think he's the cause of the Toad-ification of Paper Mario when Toad is his least favorite Mario character.

I often read people fantasizing about the moment Miyamoto dies or retires, and suddenly a golden age of creativity is ushered in and Wario, Waluigi, Daisy, etc. all get the BIG roles in a mainline Mario they so obviously deserve, and DK is there too, and Fawful is resurrected and joins Mario Kart or something. Do you really think the reason these characters don't show up for more than sporting events is because the devs really want to use them and have been trying for years but big bad Shiggy stops them in their tracks every time?

nah fuck that shit

glad you noticed

agreed, stooping for minions level infamy is a most unbased strategy

It's not Miyamoto, it's EAD in general. They don't like to use characters that aren't theirs, though if it works for the gameplay, you may get a bone here and there (Diddy). I don't think it's entirely on Shigeru. We know Tanabe was the one behind fucking up Paper Mario despite Miyamoto's role in Sticker Star.

>we have daisy, a princess from the desert that can kick ass, let's only use her in spin-offs
>we have all these cool OCs from the mario rpgs, let's give them one role and never use them again
>why would we use interesting characters? we don't have those, use toads instead

sad.

it's either this or nothing user and it's actually quite good

Wario Land fucking BURIED
Bucken-Berry chads rise up

Let's pad the roster out with alternate Marios and Peaches and babies, too!

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It isn't even MIyamoto since he technically isn't even part of EAD/EPD anymore

>gamingreinvented.com/nintendoarticles/mario-an-interesting-interview-from-cgv/
>The reason why characters which were not in the original appear is because the story is also very important in this game. However, characters with crazy designs sometimes get sent to Nintendo. Of course most of them were rejected…

It's a combination of Takahashi, Eguchi and Koizumi approving or rejecting characters.

>I often read people fantasizing about the moment Miyamoto dies or retires, and suddenly a golden age of creativity is ushered in and ect ect ect

I hardly doubt things would change. I can actually picture things going worse if that were to happen. The reason why Miyamoto is even the way he is is because he probably feels like the series shouldn't be TOO convoluted (although I don't think he wants the series to be that stale either, but he probably fell into the convenience of porting/remaking popular entries, like NSMBU who sold well at that time and bringing it for the Switch) and it already kinda does feel that way due to latter characters that wound up not being all that much used and can only do things so different from the actual main cast. It's easy to put the blame on Miyamoto when he probably might even be considering some sort of change for the series, but is considering whether it would harm the series more than it does good. Or fans not being accepting of such changes. Fucking look at Sonic, he can't try ANYTHING without it having some sort of controversy behind it. I can only imagine Miyamoto actually being frustrated and wanting to even give some sort of change that reinforces the whole point of the game, but drastically changes the plot into something fans wouldn't want.

I seriously hope you're not actually retarded enough to blame a single character for all your problems, because that's incel territory you're reaching. Also Wario Land died because the original developers disbanded and no one competent enough was there to replace them, and not because fucking Ashley was becoming more popular.

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If those characters were actually interesting they'd use them. Nintendo keep extremely close track of character popularity which is why dull characters like Toadsworth got rapidly phased out and only a few characters from Sunshine got carried forward. They don't need crappy RPG characters with shit character design.

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yeah, because generic toad #4488308 is such an interesting character

>i was really hoping with that "rivals" shit the k.rool trailer showed they'd have stopped fucking around and put her in smush
You're legit retarded if you think Syrup had any semblance of a chance just because of a fucking trailer. Isabelle should've knocked you retards back to reality.

Well, that's kinda different. That interview is describing the process of Alpha Dream sending over character designs for a new game to be approved. It makes sense that when you create new characters for an existing IP that someone on the IP owner's side has to take a look and make sure they're okay with it.

What we're talking about is why doesn't mainline Mario or Mario Kart make use of the tons of characters that already exist.

>create a fucking OC
user... you do know every fictional character ever made is an OC right

There's a clear cut difference between a new character made to fit seamlessly in a series and an original character.

Why does Yoshis Crafted World just remove Bowser Juniors bib and call it Baby Bowser?
He used to have decently distinct design with being wider, more hulking and not reusing juniors fucking voice clips

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> because generic toad #4488308 is such an interesting character

He is.

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Nah, Tanabe and his special ed goons are just fucking retarded. The new generation won't fail us. Koizumi is living proof.

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>h-h-hey guys, look! i'm being contrarian! i hope i fit in now...

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>"Random one off shit character is totally better than the one that's held up for 30+ years, I swear!"

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Look at this dude

>he said with a smirk

Shut up, gman

>copy model from miyamoto’s toad emporium usb
You know he hates Toad right.

Knowing Nintendo, they'd just say "Why do you need Wario games? Just play him in New Super Mario Bros", so I'd actually prefer it this way.

It's been that way since Partner's in Time. Jr is practically his old man's exact genetic clone now.

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>Baby Bowser and Bowser Jr are the exact the same in appearance
>Bowser Jr will grow up to look exactly like Bowser as an adult

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hot or not?

its hard for humans to jump that high really as in mario

i love this sexy basterd post more Wario!

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Retconning Lady into Pauline was a mistake.

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Remember the time EAD tried wiping out Rare's characters for their Donkey Kong game?

ign.com/articles/2005/02/18/donkey-kong-jungle-beat-2

>Q: Tell us about the characters.

>Koizumi: All the characters outside of Donkey Kong and the banana are completely original. We don't really feel the past look of Donkey Kong was fresh enough for today. We really gave our new development team the chance to really create something unique and stylish.

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>penis hair
worse than pauline’s killer widow’s peak

warioforums.com/threads/new-wario-series-sales-thread.2511
Wario Land is actually more popular. It only died because nobody wanted to develop the series.

Not canon