This is why we need Raytracing

This is why we need Raytracing

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Its not worth the cost.

Just replace the door with one made of wood and then spend the free resources on more polygons.

Congrats you just won uneducated post of the day.

Then educate this pleb with your profound knowledge

>we
>marketing buzzword
you have to go back you dumb bitch

how'd they manage it in deus ex?

fourth post best post
/thread

1999

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>expecting jap games to look good

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I don't get it. If people want state of the art graphics, why not just watch a movie since better graphics usually sacrifices gameplay.

I guess you could say that Luffy's playing in third person.

I'm gonna ruin your obvious shill thread
pic related is from 2004

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Goddamn cup head is kino

Bully, a game from 2006

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t. AMDrone

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games look worse than ever

This mirror is in a small room, so you can just have a second camera for it. Mirror in the OP is outside.

That has nothing to do with Raytracing though

Often times for accurate reflections, developers will make a while mirrored room on the other side of the mirror, and that's still easier on processing than raytracing.

There's a reason why both of these mirrors are in a small closed space

That's retarded to say.

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yet they still don't know how to, no excuse. plus its an obvious alley

>>marketing buzzword
It really isn't a marketing buzzword. Raytracing is the closest emulation of how light works in real life, though it only traces the light perceived from the "eyes" (the camera in games).

I would advise you to watch youtube.com/watch?v=IyUgHPs86XM

>when will Japan catch up?
>after fucking DMCV
inb4 it looks like shit xd copeposting

This is why YOU need raytracing. Go to the shop GOYM.

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Apart from character models it doesn't.

Wrong. Keep coping.

we don't need mediocre trash games though

nigger the buildings are flat squares, the lighting is trash, no details anywhere

it looks about as good as second son and thats a 5 years old open world game, while dmcv is about small linear hallways

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okay but is the game any good though?
graphics hardly matter, tell me about the gameplay

youtube.com/watch?v=1nqhkDm2_Tw
here, you can have it, without rtx memes.

1998*

>using the players camera as a cubemap source

bandaishitters need to stop using ue or every game will look like this or jump force no doubt this was outsourced to poos

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Of course they know how to, but creating a mirror like in your examples is too much of a pain in the ass to do for every single reflective surface in a game. It's just not feasible and they could only do it in those games because the mirrors were limited to a small handful of places where the mirror was supposed to be a distinctive part of the environment.

We have technology now to dynamically create realistic reflections, making it feasible to have a world full of reflective surfaces since you don't need to rig up a hidden room for every tiny piece of glass, but the problem is it's incredibly CPU intensive and not really worth the processing power in most cases.

Shame most of the levels felt to empty because of their large sizes that mostly went unused.

Games look better than ever BUT the game interactions often look worse, sometimes because of CPU work, sometimes because the trash can is a still asset glued to the environment...

>muh graphics
Make good video games first.

that's not true reflection though, it's a list of programming tricks unusable in an interactive, dynamic environment.

they look better than western trash and are made by 1/4 the dev team size and half the time

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the blood isn't reflected

>we invented cubemaps!

RDR2 looks better than Final Fantasy.

>cherrypicks worst of rdr2 with best of ffxv
>still fails

All of those western games are either COMPLETELY empty static pseudo realistic open world or corridors.

Art design is more important and almost all western games suck at that.

Pic related completely shits on everything in your picture.

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no its rdr2 is objectively worse with worse animation too

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Cuphead is my favorite realistic open world game.

bottom looks like shit lmao

Redr2 looks like boring garbage. Realism isn't pretty, it's dull and lazy.

raytracing is fucking pointless and a waste of resources outside of rendering CG

>Says one thing
>Posts the opposite

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Why do both run like retards? Is this the power of next gen?

Because it's a bathroom mirror it's not meant to be out anywhere else.

>black bars on top and bottom
you're that horizon faggot that kept posting zero dawn in every webm thread, right?

>FFXV-kun still at it

Holy shit

Can't speak for Final Fantasy, but in RDR2 it's because he's running downhill.

OH NO NO NO NO NO

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why is everyone so autistic over mirrors in games

The water at the bottom is technically unimpressive. It has nice texture and shading but especially at the edge you can see that it's completely flat. And the footsteps are merely trailed by decals, this is decades old technology. The top is actually technically superior. Also, the host-club aesthetic of FFXIII is something only a major faggot would like.

nice contrarian shitpost
stay seething in denial

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But he isn't running down"hill" most the time and still runs like a retard. And you don't run like a retard downhill.

I really hope you're trolling, no man can be this retarded.

God damn RDR2 is a gorgeous game.

once properly implemented in existing engines, to enable raytracing the devs would need to simply tick a checkbox or something.

Only a faggot would like gay cowboy shit
rdr2 is objectively inferior on every technical level

cope

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Not that user, and there are plenty of good looking eastern games but holy shit you are a fucking retard if you think literally anything in your picture is an example of good art design.
>cluttered shit making scenes too busy
>vomitted color palettes with no cohesion lacking basic color theory
>muh big things in the distances is good art design
>generic as fuck volcano shit
>shitty contrast in literally every single picture
>uninspired designs for plants, buildings, weapons, outfits, mechs, monsters and vehicles

He's clearly running down a slope.
>And you don't run like a retard downhill.
Have you never seen people run downhill? They absolutely do.

because the devs forgot how to make them

obsessed

Are you literally blind? The way the water moves in the above is way more advanced than the generlc blop waves in FFXV

>you guys are gay im gonna play some FINAL FANTASY

seeth

Have sex

There ARE modern games with working mirrors, it's just that Yea Forums ignore them and only focus on the ones that don't. GTA V and RDR2 have real reflections.

And then you'll wonder why videogames require so many specs despite not seeing real improvements

There is nothing impressive about what you see at the bottom. You're a moron that is being blinded by things that are bright and shiny. It's the same flat decal copypasted over and over again trailing the model. This is not what things would look like in real life as the waves would interfere.

I think it's more that they become increasingly taxing on the hardware the more detailed and high quality the environment itself is. It's very easy to have a mirror show completely flat walls and floors with simple textures on them. It's a lot harder to reflect a fully constructed room full of objects, lit dynamically with a detailed character moving around in it.

Just putting pejorative terms in front of words isn't an argument. You're a literal subhuman if you believe this looks bad either way. Especially in motion with all the pollen flying around it's crazy good looking for a game on such a cripple hardware. You also have no clue about color harmony.

Be a retard elsewhere.

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the water in rdr2 is literally generic blops with no interaction while in xv it is fully interactive and you can freeze the water too

gay cowboy with trannies game just using a fucking premade template vs bros and qtp2t girls with actual gameplay

Everything about it is more technically impressive than anything in rdr2 a literal ps3 tier game

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What PS2 game is that?

No they don't and they don't move their arms like that.

Post time makes me think you are the same as so a literal retard defending people running like retards. Yikes.

You first.

no it is just not worth putting them on every reflective surface in a large world, especially one that won't be under scrutiny often.

youtu.be/bC5OAWqKF70?t=247

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cope

Okay buddy. You continue to think that garbage has any sort of artistic merit.

:O

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You clearly are

>ray tracing
>not a real improvement
and you can always disable it or stop being a poorfag

One that looks better than your favorite game despite running on a toaster.

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>Post time makes me think you are the same
>two replies
>two completely different things
>two seconds apart
>t-these must be the same people
Were you dropped as a child?

yeah, okay retard.

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rdr2fags on suicide watch

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what ps2 game

>people can never admit anything looks good

I love graphics threads. You're never happy and everything is suddenly absolute garbage that looks horrible and unrealistic especially if you're defending something else. I'm waiting when someone times it right and posts a picture of a real life landscape and you shit on that for being fake as fuck.

RDR2

>FF Water is just flat with normal maps for ripples
>RDR2 water actually ripples and deforms
Oof.

i meant the webm

Like everyone else except a handful of retarded brain toasted fanboys, yes.

I'm not the guy who thinks this is a normal way to run down a tiny slope. Ask yourself that question.

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low poly is better.
literally nobody likes realistic garbage.

>all that movement
>creating the smallest little ripples
Come the fuck on.

That looks so unrealistic. It's way too clean and sharp, too perfect, it's uncanny,

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rdr2 is a ps2 game with literally only human enemies and shitty tps

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devs are stupid and pander to the lowest common denominator -- children

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what ps4 game

You clearly dont know how moving slow and moving fast in shallow water works

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All of these have worse art design than Ori

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>2D shit fair to compare with polygons

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>tick a checkbox or something.
You really give off an air of wisdom.

rdr2 cant even do slope walking properly despite having 1000+ devs

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Why does he walk like a drunk woman?

Dare I say it may even be Unreal™

you wouldn't see a reflection of fluid on a mirror in real life either

>there'll never be a Monolith game for PC showing all they can do

that looks like crap

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He is not completely wrong, though. BFV devs implemented raytracing in like two weeks after RTX gpus were announced and EA decided to hop onto rtx bandwagon.

Who the fuck cares? We'll be disabling them in the options menu anyways during multiplayer because gameplay, frame rate, and easier target acquisition is more important then "muh purrty grafix."

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is this a meme?
How the fuck could they manage making Witcher 1 look better than 3 outside the models?

>shit animation
>le epic cinematic black bars
>300% contrast to hide shit graphics
>seven layers of blur on the background

>One Piece
>Multiplayer
???

Witcher 3 got downgraded super fucking hard before release.

>not wanting to see the enemy in a reflection for an easy kill

OK, Poketist. Take your meds.

>literally phases through the plant
it's shit

>westerncucks seething
this is so boring

>not using your headphones and audio positioning their footsteps and gunfire.

It's either i'm too asian or you need to rely less on "muh graphics"

ran out of webms, huh?

>Why does a bright and sunny room have heavy reflections when a dark one doesn't
Dunno.

This is bait. No one can actually think that looks good.

I know what you mean. I'm enjoying these weebcuck bitch tears.

both are shit

why do you?

even the tps gunplay in xv which is just one characters optional thing is better than rdr2s shitty tps which is the entire game

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He's asking for ray tracing in video games in general, i'm guessing multiplayer games aren't considered video games anymore?

you do actually
there's a small gap

So is the One Piece game as terrible as it looks?

OH NO NO NO NO

Deus Ex was simple forward rendering while most modern games are deferred or, in some cases, clustered forward, which makes the old Deus Ex technique of rendering the same scene twice much, much more expensive, so it's not viable anymore.

>i'm guessing multiplayer games aren't considered video games anymore?
Who are you quoting?

what the fuck is this

Witcher 3 literally does not have reflections at all in Vizima

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reviews said it's boring nothing new

>One Piece
>Multiplayer
>"???"

Is ray tracing going to only be incorporated into singleplayer weaboo games?

Actually taking a further look, those tiles wouldn't have reflections anyway.

Raytracing is just a marketing gimmick, based crytek has already solved this problem with out RTX
youtube.com/watch?v=1nqhkDm2_Tw

Pretty much what I was expecting. Didn't even realise it had already released.

It's the best animation in the entire gen also its a fucking compressed webm not a hd video

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How is this game if I haven't watched a single episode of the anime? I just don't like anime but I like pretty open world games

see what I mean?

where are their shadows?

>tick a checkbox or something.
I bet you have the most elite colleges beating down your door

I take it you're a fucking retard that has never seen polished floor tiles or visited a cathedral, then?

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Top has a superior FOV. You can even see the mountains past that river aren't textured yet in the bottom gif.

I mean, you can always leave the thread. No one's forcing you to stay.

Seeing you seethe is interesting in itself. I just wish you got new material.

NIgger, the tiles here are not polished floor tiles. Do you think ALL tiles are mirrors? Have you never left your basement?

retard

based retard

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You don't know what FOV stands for, do you?

>spend a few days cherrypicking bad rdr2 webms
>cherrypick good ffxv gameplay, add black bars, reshade mods (120% contrast), lots of contrast, and blur everything if possible
>somehow still looks worse
>post webms
>"haha stupid webcuck retards btfo hahaha"
>you're wrong because A, B and C
>post more webms
>"lmao seething btfo"
>you're actually wrong because D, E and F
>run out of webms eventually
>"haha dumb westaboos eternally btfo"
>alt tab into hentai
>remember that I have erectal dysfunction
>pray for square enix and cry myself to sleep
another day another victory

The irony coming from a child that thinks every surface in the world is a mirror lmfao

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The open world is empty and lifeless.

because some bargain bin rushjob anime game doesn't have proper reflections?

cope, smoothbrain

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>posts granite bricks meant for driveways
mmm crayons

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I never did seethe since I wasn't on any one side. I was just messing with you honestly.

you're blind

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-50% performance for an improvement of less than 1% of the content

>Meant for
Sidewalks if anything. Regardless, there are tiles that aren't reflective you goddamn glue eater HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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drawing distance user, not FOV

Wow, this in no way is a visual hindrance to anyone who want's to play multiplayer.

cope and seethe

xv dlc with snake model replacing prompto

Who did the walking animations in this game, it looks like he has a rod up his ass.

>royal palaces and cathedrals have shitty cast turd world floor tiles like my redneck porch
okay retard

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>engine.RayTracing = true;
>surface.Texture.IsMirror = true;
>surface.Texture.Reflection = 0.25;
>"kk done :)"

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It wouldn't be that hard if the game is using PBR materials.

I'm sure there are some out there that do you absolutely fucking sperg lord, BRING BACK THOSE GOAL POSTS HAHAHA

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on the ground

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final fantasy oozes homosexuality

false and wrong

rdr2 looks worse and had 4x the dev team size too

This look pretty close at first but then you look at it a little longer and notice how much better RDR2 looks

none of those are churches, you're just posting random floor tiles like the retard you are because you got nuke-shitposted out of orbit.
Sit.

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it's so the homosexual player can relate

Your delusional RDR2 looks way better

>None of those are churches
Okay, if you're so desperate to get blown the fuck out completely, I will happily oblige, you obnoxious consumer of adhesives.

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>mirror
>it's just another room on the other side
this still blew me away the first time i learned about that

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You guys are dorks. Play your games.

Also one last one for the glue eater that thinks the only stones used in these settings are mirrors. Stay mad kid ;)

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rdr2 copers coping

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>muh realism
go outside, niggers

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you might be the dumbest fucking person I've ever come across on this shithole forum. unironically kill yourself.

is what you're doing

actually you clearly have a rod up your ass

why do you keep copeposting? you lost from the start

those are marble and would reflect either way, albeit in a more diffused manner; as does regular stone.
Witcher 3 does none of this.
I said sit.

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rdr2 is the gayest game ever, cowboys.

rdr2 looks worse though

now go ahead and google how long it took dice to implement rtx into frostbite autismo.

FFXV is ass but the graphics are at least better than anything else of its scope.

how ironic

>posts his local dirty worship shack at nighttime with no light source in the FOV
BASED retard

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I don't know, man. Outside has some pretty shit graphics.

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Now show the doll like character models

what ps1 game

>rdr2 only has shitty human enemies
>meanwhile actual games
lmao

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imagine being this retarded
>posts Ori
stop reminding me of that overrated shitpile of a game

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It looked a lot better in motion though, playing that at the time felt like a taste of the future, unlike pretty much every video game today.

RDR2's weather is absolutely fantastic.

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all of those games are miles better than ori

Those would be reflective as fuck in a big cathedral with window lighting

>rdr2 only has gay cowboys and trannies
>actual games have mix of QTs, hot women, pretty boys, manly men and old sage men

man western trash just loses by default

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first time i'm jealous of consolefags

looks kinda bad man
low textures, low shaders and low poly and flat

and i'm not even talking about the environment

>look how long it took a studio with hundreds of employees to implement this feature into an engine that was built to support high-end lightning code right from the start

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>dies
>WOW SHIT GAME

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based

don't trust no one
not even yourself

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you're fucking blind

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yes, and they had to literally implement it in their engine. once it's implemented in unity for example, it will be literally a checkbox for devs

unironically this

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b-b-bane?

You kidding right? Half of those on the left are on the same level of the ones on the right and the ones that aren't are just essentially 3D concept art that were/will be downgraded when they they hit the consoles.

yeah but your raytracing for each pixel thats always goign to be expensive

yes you can upscale and denoise on the gpu now

but you still have the problems coming with raytracing

and upscaling

its not a cube map its a planar map

wheres the cube?

its just a flat projection

that cia looks like shit and is a face scan yet still looks worse than a 2d design made 3d

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Only thing on the left that isn’t complete shit is cup head

>good visuals bad

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>muhg ghraphox
S H I T

Why didnt OP delete their thread for being a fag?

not my fault jap games have shit graphics

Bottom looks like shit. A five year old could make something better looking.

are you telling me there's a gpu that can run quantum break at 4k?

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DMC5 is literally the most visually impressive game ever yet made, ever, and not even all currently announced but still unreleased games look better. DMC5 is insanely ahead of everything much the same way Ocarina of Time's gameplay was.

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absolutely blessed image
modern-day AAA devs are an evil that needs to be purged

>shoots the mirror
I fucking lost it

2016

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The fuck is this? Looks interesting

1080 ti, 2080, 2080 ti

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nvm found it it's "INFINLAND" if anyone is curious

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>1fps webcam

where at? couldnt find it without just bringing up finland and its not on steam

Wouldn't it be easier to compare those two if you applied a filter which averaged the saturation of both games? The art choice makes it jarring to compare them.

Both look incredible, shame that RDR2 is fucking boring and every single element is sluggish, while FFXV is "hold X is win" and the exploration/world sucks.

Looks great but the water effects are lacking, looks more like a mirror than actual foaming and vibrant water.

graphicsfags were a mistake

Deluded DMCfags cannot be reasoned with, I see. Even Crysis looks better than DMC 5, All of them, by the way, even the console versions.

nah shitty pajeet devs who can't into basic trickery were a mistake.

>FF15 faggot shows up
>posts webms of FF15 and RedDead2
>all of RedDead2 is at the swamp the blandest looking area in the game
>all of FF15 looks like it's on PC with a high contrast mod on it
I like both but this nigger needs to kill him self.

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When is this fucking game coming to PC?!

Does it matter? Using real Ray tracing is way more expensive. If you can use a trick to produce the same result as raytacing but more efficiently why wouldn't you just use the trick?

eastern > western
Always, no exceptions. Thank Japan if 2019 is already one of the best year of gaming

I know what i'll do, I'll post compressed low res footage from games and compare them to hid show shit FFXV looks!

I WIN!!!!!!!!!

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slower than that actually.

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That looks like a fucking mess during gameplay, to say nothing of things like draw distance.
DMC isn't a technical marvel, but user is right insofar as it sets a new benchmark for visuals in relation to performance. It also has some of the best standard animations around.

Do you guys ever think to yourselves "Perhaps graphics are powerful enough already"?

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no, but I do often think "why are gamedevs incompetent hacks who can't make things which were commonplace 20 years ago?".

They're too strapped for time making things prettier and prettier and prettier and prettier. It never stops. Even if a man isn't directly involved in graphics, the hazard is always there to trip over. You can't make a new thing without wondering "Oh right, we also gotta do graphics for that" and not even bring it up.

CURSED!

what seems to be the problem here

AMD will have ray tracing too you dumb nigget, it will just be hardware agnostic unlike your fucking long nose overlords hardware

He's looking at the reflection of his own back

Guys please stop, I'm getting pretty horny by these photos

GTA5 took 1.6 years

The best videogame mirrors I've ever seen come from HITMAN 2016 and 2018. Objects, NPCs and shit like blood effects are rendered in real time in the mirror, and npcs that look into one can spot you if you're behind them, so it's a working mirror and not just for decoration. Plus some of them aren't located in closed rooms, a couple are in a room where you can see distant buildings, and the buildings are actually rendered in the mirrors correctly. Its impressive cause they managed this shit in a lower budget than most developers including the one in op's pic most likely.

hes back

t. brainlet who doesn't understand that Crysis 3 is the best graphics

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one piece's is in an open place yet you actually see less than the others, and still manages to do worse
literally no excuse

It's the same scene being rendered twice and flipped upside down. It's expensive, I bet graphics card at that time dealing with that.

Are you illiterate?

No, you're ignorant.
Crisis looked average for the time and people only made it a meme because it was poorly optimised.
Crisis 2 and 3 on the other hand were beautiful.

I think you're an actual retarded monkey. Read again very slowly and fuck off.

>Even Crysis looks better than DMC 5, All of them, by the way, even the console versions.
And I'm saying you're a brainlet because Crysis 2 and 3 are the better looking ones.

>Crisis looked average for the time
Crysis still looks better than most games released today, and if you think people thought that it was "average" when it got released you are an actual dumb historical revisionist.

Why does the guy in RDR2 run like he has a huge load in his pants? Did they buy Andromeda animations from Bioware?

I hope Japan doesn't go the western way of obsessing over presentation so much that the gameplay becomes bland.

REmake2 and DMCV made me enjoy videogames again after MGSV. I hope there's more to come.

You stupid fucking nigger, I never said Crysis was the best looking one released. Holy fucking shit. Fuck off.

You're the hypocrite for accusing me of doing revisionist history when you're the true history revisionist.
Damn, the brainlet still doesn't comprehend my comment.

Congrats

You replied to me claiming that I said Crysis looked the best in the entire series when I never said that, you fucking retard. The only one here who doesn't know how to read is you.

>I said Crysis looked the best in the entire series when I never said that, you fucking retard
Don't try to backpeddle you twat

Mario Odysseys water ripples and deforms too. You want a star or something?

The only revisionist here is the only who thinks people didn't cream themselves over how good Crysis looked at the time. Find me some conflicting proof with this statement if you're so sure that people only though tit looked average. pcworld.com/article/139546/article.html

>PCshill
nice source

>Even crysis looks better
>Even
Implying that this older game from 10 years ago looks better than a game released today. It never says "Crysis 3 looks worse than Crysis" you inbred fucker. Go back to middle school.

it was incredibly easy and bad

>Even
You said Evan, don't remove your past already

>a pc game reviewed by a pc website doesn't count because it proves how dumb I am
Cope.

>projecting

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>n-no this site isn't a shill it's totally valid
dope

Stay mad, retard.

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wow inspect element nice

No one cares about your cringe baby game.

Yikes, nigger. Stay seething, I guess.

>yikes

>top - boring shit
>bot - boring shit
can't see a difference

Cope.

ign.com/articles/2007/11/13/crysis-review-2

>IGN
incredible

*X-Files theme*

The trick is just like that Mario 64 level with the mirror

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Still seething, I see.

live.engadget.com/2007/10/29/crysis-shines-gold-due-out-november-16/

>engashill
>he's still posting

>cope

I unironically think pokemon games have a really nice art direction

>The storm had now definitely abated, and what thunder there was now grumbled over more distant hills, like a man saying 'And another thing...' twenty minutes after admitting he's lost the argument.