Is there any offline way to still play with the pre-nerfed version of this baby against bots?

Took away the ability to stun which was half of Scout's appeal. As if head shots with the sandman wasn't challenging enough to justify a 3 second stun.

>Nigger that ball is hard as fuck to hit in the first place
Not if you've got more than 20 hours in the game it's not. Here was Valve's thought process when designing the Sandman
>Uh Gabe some Scout mains are complaining about Heavies killing them whenever they try to shoot them with their shotguns
>Well I know that Heavy was designed to be the Scout's counter and all but then again Scout is way more popular than Heavy and so we might lose players if they bitch too much...
>Hmm... How to completely delete one of Scout's biggest counters in all of tf2?...
>Oh! I know!
>Give him an unlock that stuns Heavy so that he can't shoot back!
>He'll be a sitting duck! Scout is saved! Now let's go back to snorting cocaine and watching Steam revenue come in live

Huh? I remember when that came out. I never even used it because scattergun >

What did being "stunned" entail?

Can't move, can't aim, can't fire, controls completely temporarily disabled, something else?

>challenging

He IS strong
But the Strongest? Nah. Demos and Soldiers are. Scouts even get BTFO by Pyros.

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Equalizer soldier was almost as fun. Valve took all the fun away now I no longer play.

You couldn't shoot or jump. You could still move though. Unless you got hit with the ball from REALLY far away which almost never happens.

Demo gets shat on by scout and requires a babysitter to prevent him from getting btfo and soldier vs scout is a tossup that depends heavily on the specific terrain and unlocks used in question. Overall though Scout is definitely the strongest class.

You can't shoot, jump, or move
Your movement was slowed so much by the stun that it practically didn't exist.
>Scouts get btfo by Pyros
literally just press S

This nerf wouldn't have been this bad if they didn't do it in the laziest possible way.
>no longer stuns
>only slows down on hit, still need to be a good distance away for this to be useful like stun
>slow is completely useless because you're already the fastest class in the game
>still has a -15 health penalty because fuck you
valve didn't even try, they basically "reworked" it to appease comp fags

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>Enemy pocket medic starts an ubercharge
>Stun medic
>Heavy loses protection and eats turret’s shit
>Learn their friendship ended that day

That was the power of the Sandman

>Nobody answered OP's question
Great board, guys

Tbh If the Sandman just didnt effect Ubers, it'd make everyone happy

But it didn't, newfag. That got removed in like 2013.

Unless you've got a 15 foot head start on the pyro he's going to keep up and kill you very quickly.

>Demo gets shat on by scout
Not with the old sticky launcher he didn't. Well, that's why I no longer play because every class is nerfed into the ground.

No because you move faster than the pyro you will literally always outrun him unless you hit a wall, and your gun will win the DPS race if you can actually aim your shots. Getting killed consistently by pyros as a scout is the pleb check for Scout players because it reveals one of two things about you:
1. You can't aim
2. You can't into positioning or situational awareness
One or both of these things must be true, either way you need to be better as scout because you should be making mincemeat of the masketta men.

This hasn't been a thing for a long time

>Can I play the game with THESE values
You'd need to either run an old version of the game (good luck finding that) or manually tweak the game files without Steam over-writing them. Neither of which seem particularly likely

I think the Sandman could have a niche use if they removed the health penalty and removed the cap for the speed debuff. iirc, Heavy's are barely affected by the Sandman's slow down, only going slightly slower than they already do. They also need to change the ranges for how strong the slow effect is.

I still use mine because it's fun to use and I named it, but the slow isn't worth the time it takes to bring the bat out and land the ball when I could just blast them with the shortstop or pistol from the same range for a LOT more damage. It's become a joke weapon like the wrap assassin.

Are we ever going to get a mark for death ball?

that sounds busted

this is the pleb filter, daily reminder

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>scout has a weapon that makes it so the enemy can't shoot back at him
>says that anything else is ez mode

I always thought I was a for-fun shitter when I used the sandman and cleaver, was it actually overpowered?

it isn't fun being stunned and then instantly critted to death

spotted the pleb that can't dodge
let me take a guess, a sniper is OP too?

>implying that Sniper isn't fundamentally broken as a class
play against a good sniper sometime

i'll pencil that as a "yes" for you being shit against a sniper

>I only play on dustbowl: the post

>I am a compfag: the post

imagine saying this and being straight; lmao

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This gun's good against CC based targets as it gives you range. The Trade off is that it's not as good as the scattergun up close.

>muh boogeyman
Anyone who hasn't yet realized how absurdly OP sniper is only thinks the way they do because they have never played against someone who is actually good at sniping.

>Anyone who hasn't yet realized how absurdly OP sniper is only thinks the way they do because they have never played against someone who is actually good at sniping.
same can be said for the sandman, you chinese gook

>sniper is not OP, but sandman is
neither are OP, you're just a retard

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Sandman is OP

>can instantly kill you at any range and you literally can do nothing to stop him besides running away
Expose yourself harder, retard, if you're getting away with running in on snipers and killing them consistently without fucking dying it's because you're playing against baddies who can't aim.

Anyone who hasn't yet realized how absurdly OP sandman is only thinks the way they do because they have never played against someone who is actually good at sandmanning.

>t. retard

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Unironically true. If your only argument for why it's balanced is
>b-but it's hard :(
Then your weapon is unbalanced. Balancing things around the assumption that (you) are shit is NOT balance, because eventually (you) stop being shit through practice and the weapon's unbalanced nature reveals itself. Especially since people have been playing this game for 12 fucking years. Stop being stupid and fuck off.

not an argument, shitter

>calling others shitters
>getting killed from a sandman
irony

TELL ME ABOUT IT

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> Especially since people have been playing this game for 12 fucking years. Stop being stupid and fuck off.
i detect som salt from a supposed """good""" sniper, if the sandman is op, as you say, then adapt

that's still not an argument, fag, fuck off

On the topic of pre-nerfed weapons

I miss the Ambassador. Compfags took away the Sandman. Casual-Shitters struck back with the Ambassador.
Feels bad
Nerf the fucking diamondback and make it even then

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>more boogeymen
>more ad hominem
you've got a lower IQ then scout does, stop posting

oh man better make the same thread again LOL
Hiroshimoot re-attempting r9k on the site again when?

>"Mommy, he's calling me names!"
grow up fag, not to mention i find no name-calling in that post you quoted, you that salty and upset that you must lie to get pity-points. ha ha

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>being this upset
FULL
BLOWN
SEETHE

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