Have fun paying $250 for games

That's a strange way of spelling Englanistan.

I think the last game I played from Europe in general was Ecco the Dolphin 2 on Genesis.
Can't really say I'm terribly concerned about this or whatever the fuck this union shit is for

>A bunch of disposable code monkeys are going to get themselves canned over dumb bullshit

I’m so tired of hearing how hard these fucking nerds have it.

>excessive overtime
Well that's fai-
>sexism

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>and sexism

I guess I don't support unions then. There isn't enough sexism in games.

technically speaking, isn't everyone already paying $250 for games anyways?
with all the fucking special editions, season passes and loot boxes, seems like a lot of people spend way more than the starting $60 price tag.

if anything, the unions will only speed up the inevitable rise of cost of gaming.

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though luck when Publisher will now fire devs and rehire them as "freelancers" or "contract workers". GJ Dev's your marxist coolaid just killed your chances of becoming a medium taken seriously by the big boys

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Good. Maybe then all the spics will find a new hobby

>implying I'm not looking forward to the industry crash and burn.

I only play japanese games.
For all i care, those bugmen can starve to death

>isn't everyone already paying $250 for games anyways?
no

Bong here, I only buy jap games anyway.

he is growing stronger

>being retarded
Spics pirate games. It only hurts those who buy them legally.

Unions are extortions who throttle corporations profit margins. Unions are theft and Im glad we got rid of them in America. Let the free market decide what working conditiond are and let each person negotiate individually with their employer not as a fucking mob

Golden Rule of this time line

>Spics pirate games.
Then how come spics are in my multiplayer games?

someone is in really god mode

jesus cristo..

Those are amerimutts. Even if you raise the cost to $300 they will still buy games.

>hopes to tackle non-issues like sexism in the videogames industry

ftft

>sexism

Its ridiculous. If you dont like your job just quit and found your own company. But no, these commies form a mob. Fuck unions

You are a moron and you will die poor and exploited.

user could work by his own craft.

what studio

commiefornia

>UK

No, they're spics. They only speak Spanish.

i mean, realistically, what bargaining power do a bunch of nobody programmers have in the industry?

is Nina a woman(female) ?

yes albeit an ugly one

>union rep with members slush fund
>I am growing stronger

>Attempts to unionize in an industry where anyone in any country can do the same job

>shit western devs want to make an union

Based Japs win again

explain to me how a union makes games cost the same price as a console OP

no

you don't even have to go this far

in a company under regular capitalism every employee is paid relative to how valuable they are to the company, upper management gets paid more because they have to smartly manage the lower peons and make decisions that will decide the fate of the company

the lower peons just have to crank out lower code and can easily be replaced by anyone who can do the same work as its not that hard

expecting everyone to be paid $100k for their job regardless of difficulty or value will either vastly increase the cost of the product or bankrupt the company

unionisation doesn't work well in the tech industry. The market shifts far too often and the companies need to adapt quickly or become irrelevant in a few years.

>muh sexism
is never going away is it?
we can't never go back

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>turns labor costs from $100,000 a week to $1 million a week

Nigga what? I moved over to the indie scene years ago. I think twice before paying more than $20 for any game.

Forming a mob is the basis of America, and not even remotely communist,you underage lolbertarian.

Name one job the isn't related to national security that can't be outsourced.

That union isn't to represent game devs, it's to gatekeep who gets to work in the industry and who has to stay out of it, no matter what the publishers or studios want.

as long as people are able to buy non-union whatever, you can do whatever the fuck you want

Cool story you socialist cocksucker. Hiw did those unions work out for detroit? Real paradise, huh?

Yeah but I as an entry level employee should get the same money as the CEO because I'm jealous and just want more money for doing nothing.

But why

local manufacturing and services?

advanced manufacturing that other countries haven't specialized in?

advanced tech work that other countries haven't learned how to do yet?

imagine having one of the most comfy jobs in the planet and still demanding more

holy fuck

>UK
When was the last time the UK produced a good game?

I was going to say Bully but I think that was a Canadian division of Rockstar.

Depends on how well organize they are. If they put all their backing into indie games as a means to reduce labor support in big devs it could work. Hell honestly just educating future programmers about how shit the game industry is compared to the other tech fields could be enough now that the indie scene is viable.

Western devs aren´t even trying anymore, based Japs all the way

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or what the consumers want

much like the film industry right?

...no?

Relax, the world works in cycles of movement in favor of something and agaisnt something. Nowadays the normalfags aren't really affected by it but as their influence grows they will feel invincible and keep trying to take more and more until they end up hurting the normalfags, then you will see a rise in "punk" movements that produce art that is deliberately sexist and they will begin underground, until it is more and more accepted then they will bloom into the mainstream and all games will be gorefests with tits-n-ass until the next moral police shows up. Didn't the backlash agaisnt rock-n-roll, DnD and Pokemon taught you anything?

>stop using your freedom to get together with your coworkers and demand better working environments

Anti free speech retards like you should be shot. Dont like unions, dont work there

Same, I think I've only payed more than $20 for a gift to a friend who only has a 360. I think I got the bioshock double pak and New vegas Ultimate for $30 or something.

Math?

>normal wages
>$70k per programmer * 10
>$100k manager * 2

>$900k a month

>unionize and expect high pay for everyone
>$100k * 10 programmers
>$100k * 2 managers

>$1.2 million a month
>have to make money back in game sales
>either have to sell a lot more games or increase price to make back money invested in development

I only play JP games anyway

what sexism

>sexism in the game industry
what the fuck are they talking about what sexism?

ok

don't force me to buy unionized products

>UK
What fucking games does the UK even produce?

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No one is you dipshit. Shop elsewhere.

>inb4 "i have a right to steal if my feelings are hurt" argument

>Least sexist industry.

Help, I'm a web developer and I'm not getting paid as much as the game engine developers. That's definitely sexist and in no way related to our different jobs.

>implying every union is a bastion of morality and freedom

nice obligatory fee you have there

how did the mob make most of their money again?

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hate SJWs who say gamers have issues with women, or are racist. We should start a movement to prove we aren't the misogynists or racists they say we are. We'll even have our own website. Then they'll see how not racist we are.

Fuck women, btw. If you are a whiteknight cuck who defends them, you don't belong on this website or in this hobby.

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devs start studios all the time.
if these slackers want to burn cash and make a sub-par product, by all means, start your own lazy studio and see if anyone will give you funding.

>it's an Americuck defends shitty worker rights and sucks corporate cock episode

A bunch of smaller indie devs, which is hilarious because those are the ones that a union would affect the least.

>starts artist/dev/studio "collective"
>artists want to be paid the same as programmers
>thinks this will last

>not wanting the game industry to crumble into dust

What is your problem?

No one will buy a game for $70 and we all know it.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ALL I WANT IS TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES MADE BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK HAPPENED TO THIS STUPID FUCKING HOBBY TO BECOME THE SHIT SHOW IT IS NOW I HATE THIS FAGGY FRUITCAKE FUTURE

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Not him but while I understand the logic, game studios/ publishers aren't doing themselves any favors inflating the budget from all the advertising and production costs. Then proceeding to involve themselves in whale hunting with microtransactions. Or sell incomplete games and nickle and dime you to get the rest of it.

In the absence of unions most of the industry is already reaching cancerous levels. Either the unions force them to scale back or cause it to implode. Scale back is preferable but an implosion will at least allow a soft reset to the madness.

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Slav games are based

You think there aren't people like that in the US?
lol

Not on my watch nerds.

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Day of the luau is near, Porky

That's going to take AT LEAST one or two decades though

>oppressed
>working 4days / 4 hours a week
>min salary is 380k + benefits for an small company

Kek

>UK
Fable's dead, so it's just a handful of niche racers, that one snooker game that gets release each console generation, a few platformers based on European IP so obscure, even Europeans don't even know about it, and whatever Team 17 decides to shit out.

The rest of the world will be fine.

Why do Americans do this?

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Video game wageslaves deserve no rights lmao

>70k per programmer?
Kek the salary for a junnior whos fresh from college its 280k

>tfw you bought the deluxe editon of both RE2 & DMC5
sorry

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That's embarrassing, fucking yikes

which ones

wouldn't unionization cause more microtransaction bullshit since every union member would get a share of it?

>scrub my toilet and be sure to smile goy

based and grizzpilled

but but but I'm a video game 3d artist I deserve the same amount

>sexism in the games industry

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Or the upper management who spend most of the day bullshitting could take a pay cut.

>this actually works
>other employees follow suit, even the nips
>unions in every single worthwhile dev company
>costs are cut so cinematic non-games can't be made anymore
>people get fired if they can't make actual video games
>enter a golden age renaissance of gaming
Please for the love of fuck take the money away from these retard companies

ok, congratulations no publisher will want to fund you

how are you going to hire the people necessary to make a game with no funding?

> Using mob tactics to extort an honest corporation is free speech
"No!"

literally imagine being as braindead as you'd have to be to write off collective bargaining as a way to reduce worker exploitation and achieve better working conditions because "MUH SOCIALISM"

literally a chip off the same block as resetrannies and redditors who lick the boots of corporations due to brand loyalty

That microtransaction occurred in the absence of unions user. That means the primary driver for that shit is the devs/ publisher. Even if the unions cause it to increase the original sin was done by the devs/ publishers first.

No matter what more microtransactions will come.

No no we need to pull ourselves up from our bootstraps

>extort an honest corporation
wew

>Union
another word for communism, I hope they'll enjoy starving to death after losing their job.

A thread full of neets who don't know what unions do and only know about them from the rants of their fox watching parents.

This too.

>sexism
into the garbage it goes

yes, yes, crash the gaming market with no survivors

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>UK
I don't even remember the last British game I played. Arkham Knight I guess? Rocksteady is the only worthwhile britcuck dev

>how are you going to hire the people necessary to make a game with no funding?

I don't know user you tell me.

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>UK
Oh gee I hope this doesn't effect Jet Set Willy too badly.

This but unironically. Not a single industry has improved from unionization.

Working at EA/Ubisoft is not the same as working at Google.

ITS
GAMES
THAT
YANKS

>honest corporation
Name 3

Overtime I sort of get, but
>excessive sexism
>in an industry that already pushes diversity hires harder than ever

These people are unpleasable.

I am not the one paying for games so doesn't affect me in the slightest

All publishers should be shot.

Prove me wrong.

$35,000 for an indie game sure

what about a major game?

retail

oh my god, 58k kangaroo dollars?
that's enough to, like, pay a single dev for almost an entire year
holy fuck

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The quality of life for those working in those have.

>These people are unpleasable.
you just figure that out today?

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Corporations are almost always honest people because who wants to do business with a dishonest person?

literally every company not publically traded

They finally dissolve as we re-enter the 90's.

Fuck them, if they hate their job job so much then quit retard, I don't want to pay 5 times the price for their ass.

Nah, it's just depressing and humorous seeing how far it goes.

So you freely admit unions are about stealing all they can and fucking their employer/customers?

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Cant do anything about sub human retards

>Oh no, the games are actual product of an industry in wich real human beings are working
>Oh no, said human beings want to have some kind of protection and have a say in how their workplace functions
>it looks like games weren't made in a vacuum somehow

And it worked. Got anything else?

The internet Accelerates shit so fast that you can expect this by 2025

someone post a list of non-union games

As our system of government has a seizure and we tumble off the edge of Europe, it's good to know our games will be ethically sourced in the brief window before everything gives way and the country comes tumbling down.

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Just find employees that are not lazy pigs.

Then their bosses should outsource it to non union america and fuck them over as an abject lesson in humility. You dont havena right to tell your boss what you will or wont do. You are there to obey orders and do whay they say in exchange for money.
If you dont like that go start your own company making games and blow your cash on starting some faggoty union.

>major games
they're only major at sucking dick

Actually I'm pretty sure what you described happened last month

The guy behind this project is a major name in the industry, he has more than two decades making games, and 2 million STILL isn't enough to make an A game.
It's not enough to make a single game with devs being paid what they are being paid now, imagine if they got unionized lol
yeah worked for one simple indie game. Kickstarter doesn't bring enough money to fund a bigger game.

Why should non-lazy and competent employees paid more in other tech fields join the game industry?

get the hell out of EU so the UK and US can be best buds again

If they don't want to work there they can fuck right off m8

Based.

At this point you mean find literal pigs that won't complain as much about overtime instead of humans

>implying UK will actually leave the EU
You can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave.

Are there tutorials online? I don't want to go to jail for a fucking videogame; not asking for links, just confirmation.

>people who think that unions work in a world where any big publisher can shift operations to any other country in the world in a few months and in fact ALREADY HAVE STUDIOS ALL OVER THE WORLD
this is not the fucking 1930s anymore and before you cry "muh snowflake skilled workforce" people working tech jobs relocate all the fucking time and the ones that refuse get to eat dick for a career

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>Gamedevs
>Making anywhere near 380k let alone 6 figures

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>"so you see, the fact that a bunch of greddy parasites can fester on your back and break your mind and body while paying you like shit is good and you can't complain because otherwise they would jump to another back and you would look pretty silly, won't you ?"

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The piracy tutorials are known honeytraps, so I suggest you avoid them

if eurofag, find the rom sites and torrent clients then pirate away
if burger buy VPN first

Awarena

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>and 2 million STILL isn't enough to make an A game

No, 2 million wasn't enough to make HIS GAME. Plenty of other small devs have made games with less which shows it was an issue with management on his part.

>It's not enough to make a single game with devs being paid what they are being paid now

Which is less than what they could be paid if they worked in any other tech industry. So what does it matter to them at this point when they not only get lower pay but worse job security?

why don't indies just make better games?

If you simply have the patience to wait like two months almost every non-Nintendo game will drop to $40 or even $20. It's never worth paying $60 for a game unless you really really like the series and can't wait for the price to drop or the game is by Nintendo so you're forced to pay that anyway.

>all these bootlickers
Yea Forums - Coporate Shills

>UK
they make games?

oh wait that takes effort

youtube.com/watch?v=LbqNRDPd5_k

Cool, I'll have to poke around then. Wish me luc

back to europedo

because game devs think they deserve $60 +$50 season pass for a $30 or $20 game because "I worked hard on it"

Teaching below college level is the ultimate comfy. Imagine making 50-75k a year, you have more holidays off than your average job, 3 entire months off that don't count towards their vacation days every year, don't work on saturday & sunday, you don't have to be smart to follow a teacher workbook that does your job for you, you don't have to put in the effort because public schools never get rid of their teachers, and all the while you have retarded niggers and leftists say you are not payed enough. American teachers have it easy.
we are already best buds. The US and UK is a "special relationship". Bros for life, love the tea drinkers.

You won't be able to for much longer. Why do you think all these companies are pushing video game streaming? There's literally no possible way to pirate games once that becomes the norm.

wont say who I am, but I will say I gave you bad advice knowingly

They are at least in the west, the state of the western game industry would be even worse if you remove indie games from the market.

>Coporate Shills
It's more that we like games, and unions would just bring even more shitty politics into games development, plus games would likely become more expensive.
As a consumer, I just want the gams to be good.

Fun Fact: Robin Arnott is allegedly one of the "five guys" of the Zoe Quinn debacle.

I would fuck Nina's boipucci all day

Have fun not making profit from me, cause I'll gladly wait till they're dirt cheap.

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>Walmart tries to open stores in my country
>They try and operate how they would in the USA
>Get summer job there
>They show us some American video about how Unions are the Devil and we should never join one
>Next day 90% of the workforce has joined the same Union
>Walmart don't even have fucking chairs by the tills for the workers
>Union demands them or we walk out
>Chairs are there within a week

>be on holiday in USA
>decide to pick up new iPad since it'll basically be half price compared to buying one back home
>the first Retina iPad is launching the next day
>go to the nearest mall with an Apple store that morning at opening time
>All the employees start screaming, clapping, and jumping up and down as soon as the doors open
>They're stood there forming a corridor of employees trying to high-five every customer who walks in
>Feel like im surrounded by people from invasion of the body snatchers

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You are fucking degenerate cancer.

So you'll only pay $210 instead of $250? Is that supposed to be any better?

with all the other expenses I doubt paying the programmers more will be the last straw in rising the base price

So would you say your name is Not Important?

not really, no

What is important is what you're going to do.

>all tv show rips are now streaming rips

ok, so should a small up and coming indie dev be forced to pay unionized developer salaries?

Oh absolutely, protecting the rights of the game devs will absolutely make the prices shoot up.
Imagine being some obese unemployed cocksucker flinging this corporate bullshit around.

it's not the game dev
codemonkeys, gamedesigner, 3D artists and their likes aren't that expensive on themselves.
it's the suits who are under pressure from the investors and shareholders who expects the games to bring shittons of money so the studio ends up giving you "live-service games" and "freemiums" day one DLCs and the like
AAA games starts to look like a bubble and it's going to be wild for the industry if the average consumer start to think about how fucked the economic model is.

>hurr durr capitilisim bad!

Oh some game devs have pink instagram hair, that must mean they should all be abused to the point of suicide, even though most of them are just average neckbears with shit work conditions coding their life away.
Man, you fucking paid bots are an embarrassment, no wonder why you're failing with your campaigns.

Says the jobless NEETs from down below the lowest rungs of society.

What an unfortunate name.

>hurrgh durr im dealing stupid propaganda XD
How's the weather in serbia or whatever dystopian shithole you're at?

Stop crying and get another job. No one will care, the world doesn't need video games.

They're not from a studio, at least not the same one.

>Top left is some hipster musician who has nothing to do with vidya.
>Top right is a tranny who isn't part of any studio, who independently creates shovelware VNs.
>Bottom left works for the studio who made Gone Home.
>Bottom right is the guy who made The Stanley Parable.

Season passes are like $20 or $30 at most and anything that high always gets multiple price drops. Steep for example has price drops every couple weeks it seems and the DLC all goes to $10. Unless you're paying for all the microtransactions of something like DoA, Senran Kagura, or Train Simulator you're never going to be paying more than like $30 for a game including the DLC/season pass, and even in those cases 99% of the microtransactions are just new skins. Loot boxes aren't mandatory and neither are any special editions or collector's editions.
If you're even more patient you can just wait until a GotY edition comes out and get all the DLC for next to nothing. Hell, I just bought the FFXV Royal Edition for $20 and the only extra DLC it's missing is Episode Ardyn which will no doubt be on sale in a couple months after it comes out. Even Day One editions tend to be around forever, I got both Dragon Quest Builders and Ni no Kuni 2 day one editions for $20.

this is capitalism, every user I'm highlighting here is a faggot, there are no winners. have a good one.

Won't happen, games can't even maintain their value as it is. If you raise the price people will just go "I'll wait for a drop" which will harm pre-orders to which then the stock-holders will take out their massive schlongs and fuck the CEO. CEO's don't like to be fucked. They'll just find some other way to sneak the price in, like even more invasive microtransactions.

We're trying bro, why stick with Europeans that don't hold the same morals.

Stop trying to feed these idiots reactionary bullshit, you waste of air. You wouldn't know a job if mcdonald's was hiring.

what ?
like... Excuse me what ?
where did I say that in my post ?
are you seriously claiming that the industry isn't plagged with life service and ridiculus DLC.
are you saying that ubigames haven't become chores just so that Ubi can churn out a few bucks out of you to "speed up the process" WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE SOME PEOPLE PAY TO PLAY LESS AND SOMEHOW I'M AN IDIOT BECAUSE ANTICAPITALISM LIVES RENT FREE IN YOUR FUKCING SKULL?

say hello to your local shithole overlord.

It is a business. There are shareholders who have a vested interest in the profits. If a person wants to unionize and price themselves out of a job a corporation has a moral duty to outsource just as they have a duty to dodge taxes. Not.paying taxes is patriotic because taxation is theft

>be abused to the point of suicide
Suicide comes from being trannies

cringe: the post

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Imagine having your brain skullfucked by russian white noise this bad. Imagine the utter retardation needed to spread their garbage for them.
Just imagine.

Hold on, why was this post deleted?

>>decide to pick up new iPad since it'll basically be half price compared to buying one back home
>it'll basically be half price compared to buying one back home
unions are good mmmmmmmmmmkayyy :-^)

so if it's standard, isn't it nothing but an expected practice to try and rip people off/

>every union member would get a share of it?
What the fuck do you think a union is?

No, suicide comes from 90 hour work weeks. Transexuals aren't even statistically relevant in any industry, that's why your diatribes don't really matter.
Tell your manager to send better ones, you're completely inept at this.

If the indie dev just started is dependent on kickstarter bucks and has little to no presence in the industry in the first place they shouldn't.

Obviously though the question should arise again if they become successful and start to grow their company after their initial success. That's were the unionization starts to get hard to figure out as you don't want to undermine their growth when they are still relatively small.

I work at a car plant that used to be union and is now in a union free state because the greedy pricks up north demanded too much

>Feel like im surrounded by people from invasion of the body snatchers
Lel, exactly what I thought the two times I was to the US

Why not just not accept overtime? They can't fire you for that, can they?

Are we being raided by third worlder?

it would incentivize pushing more microtransactions then

I live in poor ass country and unions managed to raise my salary about 15%. I mean, at least it is something. Why are unions bad?

so why should big companies be unionized?

if a union can't offer anything better to the people hiring them by natural selection they should fail

Because we live in the most powerfull country in the world.

>Not.paying taxes is patriotic because taxation is theft
ebin

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How has that national pricing policy have anything to do with unions?

>They can't fire you for that, can they?

Sorry user but you just aren't being a good team worker nor meeting the professional standards that we desire. Good luck on your next job.

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>Feel like im surrounded by people from invasion of the body snatchers
This is honestly how I've felt every time I've visited the USA.

>the tranny goblin(a)

This here is why europe is economically stagnant. Greedy entitled workers demanding a corporation bend over backwards and slash profits to appease their selfish bullshit.
Oh and if and employer wants you to song and dance you can do it or work somewhere else. Thats what freedom is

Working over 40h, 5 days a week should be a death penalty crime for any corporation owner.
If you can't have a fully living wage on 40h of work regardless of occupation, then the problem is with the system.

>sexism

what the fuck are the talking about? sexism in the video game industry as in women can't get jobs? pay gaps? sexism in the actual games themselves?

either way, I mad.

Sounds like you really hate freemdom, stalin.

lol at this wage neet who has never had a salary job

Imagine being such a cuck that you choose to support some unknown bussiness men rather than the people that actually make your games

No its a problem with your lazy ass. Getba 2nd job or develop new skills instead of stealing

unions can demand and vote for as much as they want until the business becomes unprofitable

Tell me, exactly what great games have come out of the UK?

If there's devs that need a union it's definitely rockstar devs.

You mean the far left tranny sjws who hate white men? Oh yeah I support them.

Not happy? Free to leave.
This is America

No. You're free to work any occupation, you're not free to be a wagecuck ruining my life forcing me to bend over and accept your insane working conditions.
My first working job was 60h a week. My first thought as a young man wasn't
>cool I can buy a car
It was
>whatever I do I don't have to have denbts whatsoever so I can quit this shit whenever I want
and I did, a year later. Eight months after I quit the place closed because of unions unironically, too many useless women they couldn't fire dragging down the place.

Because libertarians believe they wouldn't be taken advantage of in a system where those with power are freely able to exploit the individual in any way they see fit.

>brain rotting mutts seeing social advancements as bad things

wait really?

t. smallest brain here

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get ready for games to be even more shittier and broken then they already are
unions always lead to a decline in quality

>waaaah smart people make money I want their money why arent they giving me free money

>Just get a second job goy

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Kenshi

Cyberpunk features lady gaga and it's censored.

Like Karl Marx

>an individual shouldnt have a living wage or acceptable working conditions because they dont have the propensity to become a CEO
retard

How have americans been brainwashed so hard by their corporate overlords to be so anti-union? What makes the average drone think unions are anything else except good for him?

I have a friend from SF, he told me they were shutting down a german subsidiary of the firm he was working with at the time, because they would whip the owner's ass over not doing unpaid overtime and all that stuff. He told me in america people literally get into arguments over who has the privilege to do overtime.

Americans believe that violent revolution and threatening violent revolution is the only valid way to express discontent

So fucking entilted, it's sickening. Glad you'll die of malnutrition.

Conversely you coild stop eating out and cook at home, get a roomate and cut costs. You could use you car as an uber, lots of ways to cut costs.
Who told you that you were entitled to a living wage, healthcare or education?

Actual sales. Salesmen who are good are hard to replace

As a leaf it really is quite baffling how people will literally throw away their freedoms as a consumer and a worker for literally no reason other than some libertarian ideal that the free market will sort out what is right, without ever realizing that it means unskilled, bottom of the rung workers like them are the first to be taken advantage of.

>prices doubles
>quality plumets
>good for me
retard???

You get more money from doing overtime.

Nobody, and that's why we need unions. Unions exist to protect people like you from yourself.

It's not like every game has a season pass, and even though games have DLC it's usually something you can ignore or is at least substantial enough to justify the cost (Though this is more rare than typical). At worst a game will have some $5 or $10 DLC that expands the content enough like the World of Final Fantasy Maxima DLC while other times it's just a random new small map like in the Assassin's Creed games or random equips like in Dragon Quest Heroes.

A lot of the problems also seem to come from the higher budget games, particularly from EA or Ubisoft. Japanese games usually only have one or two bits of DLC, and even then they're either negligible or a minor expansion at best. Double season passes are even rarer, I can only think of Steep and almost Final Fantasy XV to have such a thing.

No, only consoleniggers waste money on special editions and other useless shit.

define "liveable wage"

If words on the internet are enough for them to want to commit suicide, they should off themselves to keep their mental weakness out of the gene pool.

More like
>failed business on life support finally close down
>free market keep the best companies that actually make money and pay a decent salary to its workers

and force companies to shut down and then costs hundreds or thousands of people they were "protecting" their jobs.

remember to pay your dues!

I disagree. Just because you work a lot doesn't mean you deserve enough compensation to sustain yourself

>unions managed to raise my salary about 15%
where does that money come from?

Unions drive up the prices of things, because they drive up the cost of labour which wouldn't be a problem if ameripoors were paid decent wages by their corporate overlords. Spending is literally what fuels the economy rather than saving. Unfortunately businesses can just export jobs to china where workers are valued at less than the products on shelves. The reason americucks continue to let this happen is because those same businesses also own the media, and funnel so much money into using bullshit race/gender/identity politics as a smokescreen so most of them don't realize all their struggles are actually class struggles.

>so why should big companies be unionized?

Because it reduces talent turnover, there's been a number of companies who have lost their best devs only leaving them with an IP with no one to make and sell it properly.

>if a union can't offer anything better to the people hiring them by natural selection they should fail

Typically a union is supposed to be the mutual agreement of employee assurance in trade for loyalty to the employer. The game industry is already unattractive to high tier talent/ competent devs because of lower pay and poor benefits. At least providing some job security via unions allows the mid tier talent to be inclined to stay.

I don't want a union because I'm above average skilled worker.

>starting a union in an industry where there are 500 people eager to take your job in a heartbeat if you were laid off

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>mfw when I'm in a union but shitpost like I'm antiunion
But seriously there's no reason for them not to unionize. If prices rise up, so will gamers and they won't buy them.

>UK
>games

>Yes goy, pinch every penny so that Mr. Goldstein can afford a second yacht

>>Top right is a tranny who isn't part of any studio, who independently creates shovelware VNs.
The weird part is that their last VN before they went full SJW was about how a woman literally ruined everything and caused the downfall of an entire colony.

I support unions because fuck corporations, fuck big business, and fuck capitalism.
However, fuck western game developers, they can drown in piss for all I care.

>Who told you that you were entitled to a living wage, healthcare or education?
These things should be a basic human right. These things don't exist in the world you envision, because you're either a dependent who has never actually had to struggle without those things, hasn't been unfortunate enough to be blitzed by America's ridiculous privatized healthcare industry, or thinks it's somehow okay to become indebted to banks to achieve a degree, which most largely consider to be the absolute base standard minimum qualification for any form of non-entry level employment in the next 5 years.
All of the issues that present themselves to bottom and middle America can't be trivialized to the extent that they could all be solved by just, "trying harder, man. be born different"

>Force companies to shit down
Or they could not give their execs millions of dollars of bonuses and instead funnel that money into good employee infrastructure?

>The game industry is already unattractive to high tier talent/ competent devs because of lower pay and poor benefits.
This.
Working on pharma related IT job, I earn 3 times more than as a game dev, and less working hours.

Sucks to be them. They can suck it :)

If you want medicine, education or money you should work for them. The idea you get those things just by being born is ridiculous, you commie thief.

As a single individual, living in a flat big enough for a person (no sharing a room with other people), all utilities paid in full and at least a full meal a day that is not mc donalds. Possibly able to afford minor healthcare costs every now and then. If you want more money or to take care of more people, you work more. But if you work a full time job, any full time job, then it should be a federal crime for it to be "homeless" tier.
To think there's people that think "Friends" living style is acceptable behavior makes my skin crawl.

How do I get an IT job?

>uglu
not true, check her lewd instagram pics

>If words on the internet are enough for them to want to commit suicide
Literally no connection to what is being discussed or what was said in the comment you quoted. It's overworking that could potentially kill them or lead them to an early death, not your hilarious middle school level insults, you obese embarrassment.

>UK
Video games like...?

About time desu. these fuckers are flat out getting exploited to death.

Battlelicense 5.

Banjo and DKC.

I had no.idea you were entitled to eat out when you can cook far cheaper.
Can you show me where in the constitution it says you get a free education?

study,get certified,apply, be a slave

certification.comptia.org/certifications/a

>How have americans been brainwashed so hard by their corporate overlords to be so anti-union?
You need to understand unions in USA and unions in Europe are two completely different things, in Europe unions help workers by not only by demanding more pay but mostly by having better job stability and other benefits so if your kids or wife are sick you can take a month or two break and after that come back and still have your job, in USA unions are small corporations inside bigger corporations so you end up with another layer or people who don't give much shit about workers and want to get as much money for themselves as possible.

I'd take an economy with lower growth over shit working conditions any day of the week.
Not like I'm going to be seeing the benefits of that strong economy for the most part anyways.

ok, how do you get some sort of basic income started without a bunch of poor people creating a bunch of babies and creating more of a drain of resources

bruh

But user, without them you don't get weird, censored translations of your problematic Japanese games.

The constitution isn't an infallible code that can't be improved upon or changed. That's kind of the point of multiple levels of judicial systems.

I'm not for basic income, at all, exactly because it enables trash to birth more trash.

Nigger, every other vidya-developing nation outside of the US and eastern Europe has MUCH stronger unions, the fuck are you talking about?
Unless you think they're going to shift all development over to China where they'll be barred from putting literally anything in their games.

> making a fortune
> wahh I have to work 60 hours sitting at a desk!
Lmao yea its real hard

>in USA unions are small corporations inside bigger corporations so you end up with another layer or people who don't give much shit about workers and want to get as much money for themselves as possible
I call bullshit. Explain this burgers.

Ok. Keep loosing while pretending you don't care.

Honestly they've been spoiled and tricked. If you could build a time machine and take any american back to the early 1900's and have them work a labor/energy/factory job they would be horrified at the scene.

That shit was literally third world tier bad as in dangerous pollution to physical health and child labor. Hell half of americans probably would call it quits the moment they realized they actually had to get to work on foot.

kick them the fuck out

I live in America mongoloid.
I just don't live in a shithole state run by corporatists.
And ironically, my state has some of the highest standards of living in the country, and among the highest per capita household income.

>he buys games
that's your first mistake

the falsefalg king

More like.
>gave workers unionize
>studios cut staff so they keep payroll relatively the same

I mean, I just won't buy video games?
I already don't buy the ones that launch at like $120+ with the season passes and shit.
Just not my thing.

>this whole thread
GET BACK INTO THE MINES, GOY, WE HAVE QUOTAS TO MEET AND DONT CARE THAT YOUR LUNGS GO BLACK
>o-okay mr. rhineberg there's nothing wrong with this afterall the free market is by definition, fair

>and sexism
Yeah, girls not wanting to learn programming then not applying to jobs is totally sexism problem.

you can't reason with McPeople.

Maybe you should go back to /pol/ so you can be among your kind.
You can all circlejerk about how shooting women in the street is BASED and REDPILLED while unions are CRINGE and FAGGOTS.

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>Tackles issues like sexism in the games industry.
Jesus Christ, how could they make it even "better"?

Cant wait till you tax the businesses there to the point the leave and you end up like Detroit which used to be the best city in America until the unions destroyed it

>sexism
This is getting tiring. They'll never stop until we're all wiped out due to nuclear bombs or we're finally getting in to space.

overpopulation is a serious issue with or without UBI

humans need to man the fuck up and accept the reality that rampant uncontrolled breeding isn't conducive to a comfortable existence for the majority of the planet. there needs to be hard limits on the amount of children allowed.

>sign up for a job that doesn't specify you only work 8 a day
>get mad when your deadline demands more work a few weeks every few years

Experience, which you can get by:
Finishing a college degree, companies usually take graduates since they get tax cuts from hiring some.
Take an internship and work for free on some company. This option sucks, but even if all you do is feed paper to a printer, you can actuall have something on your CV which will help you get another job.
Make your own project, no matter how silly, small or simple it is. I made a super simple web using AWS, in my free time, and automated the app deployment. That small project literally landed me my current job.

k tranny

german unions train members to become more employable and try to sell their services to as many companies as possible

american unions only care about sucking as much money from the company or industry their attached to to pay down the line of seniority

Games are not going to cost 250

They'll just outsource to Indians and those idiots who unionize will loose their jobs

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Game makers are unionizing because they frequently complain about unreasonable work conditions, demanding hours, and very little job security. Look how Kojima was treated. Every creative industry has a strike like this eventually

wtf

Fuck trannies.

Why do people keep saying gamers are prejudiced?!

Overpopulation is only happening in Africa. Guess where those people will end up? They will be used to supplant labor in europe because dumb fucks like you bitched about pop growth and you will need workers.

>Willingly taking every cock up your arse

Stop shitposting during your shift and get back to cleaning, someone shat on isle 4.

Nah, that won't be an issue.
Detroit went to shit because of retarded nogs, not because of unions.

lol at silicon valley wannabes considering themself as bad as japanese burnout salarymen

>like Detroit which used to be the best city in America until the unions destroyed it
is that what your jewish master told you?

I'm actually a professional with experience, no skin off my dick.

Sounds nice; until you realise the Unions actively lobby for more government interventionism that drives your wage down dramatically.

>Outsource to Indians
>All their games become even BUGGIER pieces of shit
>Development gets shut down
I unironically want this.
Why do people have a problem with western devs unionizing?
Either it works and western games continue to be shit or it doesn't and the western industry dies, like it should have 10 years ago.
Sounds like a win-win to me, fuck the west.

>overpopulation is only happening in Africa

delusion
there's literally billions too many people on this planet. life would be significantly easier for everyone if there were less people using less resources.

So bottom line Americans are a natural slave race who will be exploited no matter what, because they don't care enough to actually stick up for themselves. Just leave it up to the company or the union, no need to actually fight for things yourself

>CODERS HAVE IT SO HARD I HAD TO WORK OVERTIME THIS WEEK BECAUSE THE DEADLINE FOR MY ONE PROJECT A YEAR GOT CLOSE
fuck off, what a joke, i can understand a trades union forming to try to increase safety standards for workers who operate in very unsafe conditions or receive very poor training or supervision, but this?
youtube.com/watch?v=rqX8PFcOpxA

Unless the government lobbies for increased wages, kicks out H1B pajeets, and cuts down on immigration, in which case it drives your wages up dramatically.

> arse
Surprise surprise a surly UK dick. Day drunk or mad people expect you to work, Seamus?

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT ABOUT EA SHAREHOLDERS????
Jesus christ my dudes.

Because unions only work as an agreement and liason between worker and upper management. Unions that act as some weird shield that needs to "Fight" the company simply don't work.

The only games worth buying are Japanese games and indie games anyway. Those shouldn't be affected.

americans are literally all fighting to exploit each other as hard as possible. that's the core foundation of the country, and exactly why it's dying.

Let's think on big games developed on the UK in the last years:

>Sea of Thieves
>Yooka-Layle
>No Man's Sky
>Forza Horizon 6

Beisdes Forza, yeah I think we're okay

>cuts down on immigration
Bigot much?????????

Doesn't matter, the more shitty western devs that go under the better, why the fuck would anyone on Yea Forums not want that?

Yeah, all things Union's never actually lobby for because more low skilled workers are more profitable than a few skilled workers for unions.

t. ex Union rep: Unions are mostly a scam.

Unions are not bad. Slavers just fear the power of organized workers.

But all of those games are shit aside from Forza Horizon 4.
>t. ex Union rep
And my dad works at Nintendo.

Yes, you moron. Look atbirth rates: Crashing in the west and Asia. By 2040 1/3 of humanity will be african

I don't want the industry giving money to leftist outlets even if it dies.

The comment literally says "abused to the point of suicide", AKA hurtful internet words have tormented their souls for so long that they'd rather eat a bullet than keep living in a hurtful world.

The pockets of the wealthy owners of said companies.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

so you agree that there needs to be hard limits on how many kids people can have, especially in Africa

Glad we could get along

Do you think being a Union Rep is hard or difficult?

No, but I do realize that this is Yea Forums, a website full of shills who consistently lie and push false narratives.

Businesses dont pay fines or taxes. They pass them on to consumers and as I am a consumer I oppose unions because it just drives up costs.

What false narrative am I pushing? That Unions are just another pawn of a globalist narrative and they support political parties that in turn promote mass migration and dilution of labour because it benefits Unions?

A Skilled workforce doesn't benefit a Union more than a large workforce, Unions benefit from infinite inflation and constant growth too.

>Business tries to increase prices
>Government puts a limit on how much prices can be increased
Sasuga porky

This is a retarded scam anyway, the cunts running it are all feminist bullshit nonsense and the usual idiotic complaints

This only screws over big publishers if this catches on. They're the ones who exploit things to pocket millions. We've seen smaller dev studios and teams in single digit number of members put out great games. AAA needs to get their shit kicked.

>They'll just outsource to Indians and those idiots who unionize will loose their jobs
This is the fantasy scenario cigar-munching corporate fuckbags masturbate about. It's funny to me that you're regurgitating it verbatim. I wonder what could compel some "Yea Forums poster" to do such a thing.

>Business cannot raise the price of it's product
>Business loses progit margins
>Shareholders stop investing
>Business downsizes
>People fired

Almost as if Worker rights are not the issue here, and you simply want to see businesses fail due to your own pathetic life choices.

>"abused to the point of suicide", AKA hurtful internet words
That's just your interpretation. Overworking to the point of exhaustion with constant fear of losing your job constitutes abuse. I think that's enough projection from you for a day, bubble-boy.

lmao the reaching
you forgot to greentext the part where people riot in the streets and WW3 starts

>Union
>When your industry has a very low demand of labour.

Welcome to why Communists are hated by Unionists 101 guys.

Unions don't work when you're needing to beg the company.

>Government intervenes again and forces businesses to maintain a minimum level of employees or downsize their stock/bond rating or even fine them into the dirt
Sasuga porky

Hopefully, with efforts like these and others, sexism will eventually go away.
It's based on feelings and is doomed to disappear eventually, but speeding up the process is better than dragging it out.

>Union hyjacking communist doesn't understand businesses or Unions.

Tell me, how does a Union work for it's members if all it does is make labour costs more expensive for the company?

For me its because I dont like the liberal shitbags that infest these companies and seeing them get fucked over feels great. Those Blizz firings were hilarious

thats not until after global agriculture starts failing due to climate change and the resulting famine and immigration cause social unstability and eventual war

>Government needs to abolish capitalism because workers cannot negotiate due to the Union being an absolute failure.

Why are you assuming a union is looking to make labor costs cheaper for the company? You're point of view on the subject is very suspicious.

Then they should get a second job.
> Im a loser so lets have communism

>outsource the game to pajeets
>they keep promising it will be done on time
>release date come close and game still is nowhere near finished
>anal pained publisher have to hire other devs to fix their mess
>release half broken mess few months after planned release because you have to release something asap
>take another half a year to fix all that mess and polish it
>300milion of loses on release and only 800k of profit in first two months
This is the main problem with industry when someone strike gold everybody try to mimic that success but if someone fail horribly nobody take notes to not repeat their mistakes.

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Nah, either you put your workers first or you go out of business.
No other options.

Not likely, I used to treat everyone equal 5 years ago, now I disregard women's opinions for being complete and utter trash and see them as nothing but wallflowers.

Thanks feminism! For showing me Women are straight up inferior workers than men!

you should stick to licking your boss' shoes because economy clealy isn't your area of expertise

Nina freeman is alright.

>unions = librulz
That's essentially all you're getting from this. I don't see why the opinion of a tardbot like you should be regarded or even acknowledged.

Please, making video games is like making art. It's a non-needed career. If you make a good product you get sales, you make a bad product you go under. Simple as. The industry has turned into a shitfilled hug box that requires no actual talent these days. Aw, you went to "college" and got a degree? Let's just make life comfy for you.

>lol just get a second job

t. sheltered rich kid who never worked a day in his life

>Then they should get a second job.
No, a primary job that uses up all of their waking time should provide for living conditions. You think people should be getting second jobs to get by because you've never held one in your life, or even understand what it entails.

Isn't that hat offensive now?

Unions are heavily democratic and support all sorts of nuttery. If you dont recognize unions as being a bastion of libs you are crazy

>literally arguing against feminism based on feelings
Like I said, it'll go away eventually when people start realize this.

>extending your fantasy scenario to the point of absurdity.
Keep going, I enjoy a good fanfiction every now and then.

Have fun making me buy new games.
My PS2 is working and I have 5 decent games on PC.

Nah, maybe white guys will fall for that, but the rest of us are pretty wise to the tricks women employ.

The point of a Union is to negotiate terms and allowances with a company that benefits both.

The point of a union isn't to force wages of a company up for no reason so the backlash hurts the employees.

For example: the first thing a good Union always does is try to negotiate a way for employees to have access to stock, either through a joint investment plan or part of a pension agreement. This means the Union is actively putting the Employees into part of the growth of the company.

>if all it does is make labour costs more expensive for the company?
apart from the fact that is not what unions do, let alone the only thing they do, they attempt to keep wages to at least a fraction of inflation and the cost of living index so people can actually get paid a living wage for the labour they're employed for. if that hurts the executives bonuses or the shareholders payouts, so be it. every executive level position is overpayed, and shareholders do literally nothing for their dividends.
>hurrdurr they take risks
investing into a S&P 500 is not a risk

not an argument

Thread's either full of people really concerned with the well being and tidy profiteering of multi-billion dollar corporations at the expense of their human cattle-resources, or the thread itself was started and is maintained by an array of paid trolls trying to steer the conversation that way.
Good thing the average Yea Forums poster is docile and ready to believe and support everything they read.

God damn you americans are brainwashed. It's incredible

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>Doesn't understand the point of a Union
>Starts crying thinking he knows economics better than me

The first hurdle a Union needs to jump over is "Why not employ non-union workers?"

>Excessive time
This is true they work sometimes 16 hours a day.
And sleep at the office.

>Sexism
... Fucking journos

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>Good thing the average Yea Forums poster is docile and ready to believe and support everything they read.
You just described 90% of everyone who browses the internet.

Don't worry. I was like you a couple years ago, but then I realized how stupid it is to generalize like that based on no evidence except your own experiences and what people with agendas try to shove down your throat.

> if burger buy VPN first

do your ISPs actually care about it?
I'm from a second world country and I can't even imagine my ISP contacting me saying that I pirated something

I never argued any of that though; Shareholders happly promote Union ideas over executive bonuses.

When they make sense; Take for example the $15 an hour meme for McJobs; It's unfeasable and simply promotes better means.

At the end of the day, a business needs to make a profit; Unions know this and need to negotiate.

>art is not needed
>entertainment is not needed
Notice this is being posted by some fuckbag who either visits the video games board regularly to peddle propaganda or by an angry retard who doesn't appreciate the hobby that's the topic of the board.
The amount of incoherence on this thread is alarming, and I honestly doubt it was started casually.

Pretty sure you're white, so no, you weren't ever like me.

hentaiphd for those unfamiliar

she's between a 5 and a 7 depending on her makeup effort

seems genuinely nice, though

I assume what you mean by this is "Why don't you mindlessly trust unions"

The answer is simple; Unions are a business, so you have to trust TWO businesses when working with them.

I appreciate video games.
Just not western video games.
The western vidya industry is trash and its death will be a net benefit.

living here while being aware of how brainfucked everyone is, is an actual living hell.
it's really something walking around a literal dystopia, with curmbling infrastructure and increasing homeless and disease and failing medical systems all right out in front of everyones face, yet nobody seems to notice or care and continues on as if everything's absolutely fine.

>Unions are heavily democratic and
Unions are unions, and are there to protect worker rights. Everything else is attributed by your own stupidity and poor understanding of the english language. Stop getting brainfucked by the barrage of horseshit you read on /pol/ every day, it's not on your best interest.

>extending your fantasy scenario to the point of absurdity
This is the funny part user, it's real story and it happened little over year ago.

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I think this is a good thing for the industry.

With that said, I haven't paid more than $30 for a game in a loooooooooong time.

> Oh no my employer expects me to work!
Go fuck yourself

yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum

>Unions are unions and are there to protect worker rights.

No, they are conglomerates used to negotiate terms and conditions to companies on behalf of their employees.

Yes it discriminates against Transgenders.
Not all women have a vagina but a feminine Penis.

It would be good for the industry if the Union wasn't a painfully obvious power-grab designed to push politics.

It's funny how Co-operatives avoid all this shit mostly.

>le /r/liberterian redditor
I'm gonna need you to successfully pass Western Civilization II, user.

This.
The times she was on Giantbomb she seemed more competent and less of a cunt than Patshit and more like a really normal person.

Still, abysmal styling.

>UK
so they'll move out of the UK and every UK dev that won't comply with moving over (if they're even offered the opportunity) will just get fucked out of a job
Good work, tards. Same shit that happened with industrial unions in the states. companies don't care about your rights, you are replaceable.

Also I can't think of that many quality UK studios anyway. Maybe rockstar north. otherwise, what are we losing, hello games? lel

Lolbertarians need to be shot.

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It's been the better part of a decade since I enjoyed a western AAA game, so they can do whatever they want.

Im talking about 16 hours a day.
If you are a workoholic be my guest doubt many people can do this.

>workers: haha we're on strike now!
>publishers: okay *outsources all the jobs to eastern europe and asia*
>workers: no! stop! we're in charge here!
>publishers: do you feel in charge?

who the fuck buys games from the UK

This is why PC rarely gets ports anymore let alone exclusives

>Unions killed the auto industry

I was happiest when I could work 12 hours a day, five days a week and get paid for overtime. Now I'm stuck with four six hours shift in a week and barely get by.

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Classical liberal here; A union has every right to be formed for the workers to argue the value of their labour.

A company also has every right to buy the labour they wish.

Negotiations are the foundation of Democracy.

>*makes you work a 100 hours a week, cancel any vacations you may have and then unceremoniously fires you and 99 coworkers when the game fails to reach an unrealistic sales target set by investors with no safety net whatsoever*
>wtf why are the wagies trying to unionize?

All you had to do was to just not be a greedy retard, you really have to go out of your way to make wagies, the most passive creatures on this earth, mad.

They work that like 2 weeks a year. The truth is that they are pussies who wouldnt last a day in America without their fucking union stabbing employers in the back

Mike Rowe makes like $45,000 to scrub toilets for two days.

I'm not sure you should look to him for...anything, really.

>Found your own company
>Can't afford to sell your goods at low prices because you don't sell enough
>Company that you just quit undercuts all your prices
>You go out of business
>No choice but to work for the company again
Great plan, user.

This

You dumb fucks already slop out big $$$ for waifu mobile trash games and TF2 hats. You probably dumped more of your autism bucks on free games than any paid game ever.

And this is why I'm working as little as possible.
If I can't have my millions for doing jackshit I'll at least have as much freetime as possible while they sit around in their offices farting into their seats all day long.

He's actually got some truth to it; The unions promoted the risky growth of the auto industry and labour markets were flooded with cheap low skilled workers.

The Democratic government of Detriot then did nothing to prepare for any shortfall, and when it happened, Detroit was doomed with a large unskilled labour force and nothing that needed it.

>Rocksteady is the only worthwhile britcuck dev
Rockstar North isn't any good? Or are you pretending Scotland isn't the UK?

>they work sometimes 16 hours a day.
Wew, I couldn't imagine shit like that.
>Work 8 hours a day
>Paid $29/hr
>Medical
>Dental
>Vision
>Disability
>Life Insurance
>All covered by MassHealth (Up to $720 a month covered for premiums)
>401(k) (with 6% match)
>3 weeks paid vacation, with unused days rolling over year-over-year (will be 4 weeks next year since it'll be my third anniversary with the company)
>Paid lunch
>Flexible schedule, usually roll in around 8:30, but no one gives a fuck if you work from 7:00 to 3:00 or 9:00 to 5:00
>Can even work remote if you just don't feel like coming into the office
Feels good living in a state that isn't fucking shit when it comes to workers' rights.

they only sort of care, because otherwise theyre legally liable or some shit. they send you a shitton of letters before considering cutting your service, but i think isps are different in if they actually do cut off your service and the hard limit of number of infractions before then. and the way most areas only have 1-2 isps in the us, its not worth having to move to the shitty one when you can get a vpn

They aren't paid for that overtime, you know

Then I guess you should shut up and take what you can get instead of acting like a special snowflake.

Welcome to living in a healthy company with a healthy relationship with it's union.

The special relationship is fine, EU or not.

t. special relationship specialist

>Fellow Masshole
Best goddamn state.

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It's going to be grabbed by the usual nepotism gang. Twitter indie+gamejourno agenda pushing, now with worker right leverages on the industry.

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Unpaid overtime is illegal unless you're on a salary in the UK friendo.

So it's literally their fault they failed to negotiate a wage over a salary in a field famous for overtime.

t. civil servant who argued for a wage.

They get a salary, right? Then they are paid

I've found that when I've worked in unionized places, I've worked with less competent people since it's more expensive to fire tards than keep them around when unionized. So many people abuse the union benefits too and call in "sick" any time work actually needs to get done, among other things.

Or you could join a union and bargain for better conditions instead of continuing to worship corporate cock.

>Unions are theft and Im glad we got rid of them in America
I'm a unionized worker in America.

I make 143 thousand dollars a year.

How you doin?

Just means the unions will fail at their job and get manhandled by companies.

Will be glorious.

It's a pretty good feel honestly.
New England as a whole is pretty damn comfy, only issues are New York and New Jersey infesting the southern parts of the region (usually Connecticut).

Until your union ruins the company or they outsource your ass

got it, thanks, user

Every blue collar union is anti-globalization. I have yet to meet a single factory worker who likes globalizatoin because it has lead to jobs being moved overseas.

15 years my dude. Everything goes in cycles of 20-30 years. Its starting to get conservative traditional again by the time the next batch of girls is 20 its going to go right back. Life is a pendulum.

>Join the union
>Union is compliant with the Corporation
>They just take 10% of your wage to pay towards globalist parties.

>try to pirate
>internet service provider sends me a personal letter saying no
>stop because i like having internet
living on the west coast sucks ass.

I too, would love to work in a chinese factory and have my death uploaded to liveleak

"Free market" means that the government isn't involved. Unions ARE the free market.

the labor market is solely in the hands of corporations that want to pay you as little as possible. there will always be desperate people that will take whatever work they can get at any rate of pay. unions level the playing field and lobby in a way that individuals cant. unions dying coincides with the death of the american dream. so you fuck off, you anti-american

GAMERS RISE UP

Stop trying to change your tune, it's revolting.

Every blue collar union in America promotes the Democratic party.

Who are the main globalist party and push for retarded lax laws so the cost of labour remains low.

Kek.
I've gotten so many letters from my ISP that it's hilarious, I just toss them in the trash because I live in a state where the ISP can't just stomp on your neck and has to jump through tons of hoops to actually do anything.
Why the fuck would they care anyways? Not like I'm NOT giving them tons of money.

>union made up of non-devs
Kek

Fossil fuel unions support the GOP.

There's a simple solution: No UK devs.
Praise globalism.

Unions didn't die. They just figured out it's more profitable to back low labour costs.

You know that most companies that exist today are literally "disgruntled developers do their own thing", right?

>unions level the playing field
Maybe if it wasn't possible to outsource cheaply lmao

Look at that smug-ass old lady decal.
That's not unfortunate, that's deliberate.

A small amount, but they sound smart then.

All Unions should be protectionist to the extreme.

Every western game is going to be Mass Effect Andromeda tier of shittyness now, its going to be glorious

>they send you a personal letter saying to stop
>you move to another isp since you have the benefit of living in an area with more than one isp ruling everything
seriously, tell them to fuck off. if you actually call threatening to cancel they'll usually lower your prices, too.

>Implying

>over work
Like everyone that works, except for a couple of suited guys that have people doing most of their job

I remember that time when devs were a bunch of awkward nerds with glasses and shitty hair(like curly) that wouldnt make games based on their point of view on politics and agendas

Republicans aren't globalists? Last I checked they just gave a huge tax cut to big business, the same businesses that invest internationally and undercut American jobs/wages.

Man I miss hatred memes

No one will buy games if they cost half as much as a console, especially when indie games aren't affected by this and will still be the same price. Companies will either eat most of the cost or make up for it by putting in more predatory practices like microtransactions and lootboxes.

you want everyone to have to work for education?

enjoy your permanently retarded civilization, lmao

because if todd gets mad enough because i won't stop pirating his games he'll blame the ISP and the ISP doesn't want that to happen to them

>Government steps in and says that if you want to do business in their country you must hire workers from this country
Sounds like you're making a great case for government intervention.
But yea, if they're benefiting heavily from not only the local market, but the local infrastructure, there's no reason why they shouldn't be barred from outsourcing labor to other countries.

>MUH GONSDIDUSHON

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I don't work in Massachusetts but I hail from glorious New England and yeah, labor conditions there are actually tolerable and not total shit.

Of course I'm a federal employee pulling down $69/hr with the TSP, which is perhaps the greatest scam the average citizen doesn't know about. I can put up to 62k a year into my IRAs and "401k" tax free. If regular people had these kinds of options I doubt we'd have the savings crisis we currently do.

i live in a neighborhood with one ISP so they can fuck us all they want and it isn't fun

Yes, it is perfectly reasonable to expect 5-year-olds to work for their education. It is perfectly reasonable to expect paraplegics to work for their medicine. I have seen the light, capitalism truly is the greatest.

Thanks for accelerating the colapse of the game industry.

>Yea Forums now defends corporations of all things
What has this fucking website become?

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>I can put up to 62k a year into my IRAs and "401k" tax free.
Fuck me I'm jelly.

There are more Protectionist Republicans than there are Protectionist Democrats.

We need more Teddy Republicans.

>retards who live in a delusional fantasy world where everything can be fixed if you just work harder

you all deserve the impending suffering your ignorance and delusion will cause.

I see your point but civilization is utterly retarded already, dunno how that can get any worse.

It's a symptom of the times. They see unionis as leftist communist things and are instantly against it without doing any sort of thinking. Also most Americans for the past twenty to thirty years have been raised to hate unions.

State education was one of the greatest revolutions in western history.

State medical care is just as revolutionary because it allows a workforce to be strong and healthy and more productive.

Unions are a retarded way to deal with this problem when the workers are the machines that do the games pretty much.
On a rice factory, if the workers just leave, the machines are still there, and 5 minutes of training later, the shit is rolling at full power, so you need union for those "worthless people" to have rights.
Now when the game developers leave, its like if the machines themselves left.
So they can just leave, create their own corporations and fuck with the previous corporation they worked for in a way the rest of the corporations would be fucking scared of doing that.
It's how nice boys like Activision came to be.

To be fair, as a britbong, the unions HAVE been supporting leftist communist thugs like the labour party despite labour wanting to dismantle many businesses and thus dismantle many unions.

Not like the unions have any choice, considering Taft killed any sympathy the union leaders had with the Republican party, and Reagan made sure to remind them why are they even supporting neoliberal democrats

I assume that most of the demands from a game developer union would have less to do with wages (I have no clue what they make on average) and more to do with quality of life. No more "crunch time" weeks/months where they work 90-100 hour weeks.

Corporations can get sucked, they can easily mitigate union problems. It's mid-sized and smaller companies getting fucked over by mismanaged unions.
I'm all for unionizing but not when they mix up workforce negotiations with politics and it's pretty obvious where this is going from the start

>incompetent ""devs"" unionize
>corporations either bloat even more due to increased costs or outsource to pajeets and get stuck with buggy messes
>in both cases they go bankrupt
>talented people that can actually program will have to compete with less AAA garbage
By all means, go ahead.

>The weird part is that their last VN before they went full SJW was about how a woman literally ruined everything and caused the downfall of an entire colony.

That's not weird at all. Most of these people jump from one extreme ideology to another.