This game sucks

Git gud

>complaining about the difficulty of the easiest Souls-type of game there is

>I'm one-shot by some faggot with a sack and now I'm in some other part of the map?
Aww, baby’s first soulsborne game. Adorable.

I'm not complaining about difficulty. I'm complaining about the terrible pacing. I died to a one-shot from the guys with the sacks, and ended up in a cell with no clue where I am at, as I was on my way to Vicar Amelia. I just killed Blood-Starved Beast (on my first try, was not hard). These games are not hard, they are just tedium incarnate. I might as well go play a looter shooter with the amount of pointless content I'm forced to repeat to progress.

get good

>former trump supporter here

go back to /pol/ dumbass

retarded virgin Soulsbabbies exhibits. like pottery

I've played them all you fucking moron. Never finished because the combat is like watching paint dry. There's a skill ceiling when most of it revolves around sitting behind a shield.

>tried to get into soulborne for several years now
>Can never get these games to click with me
>played ds1 till blighttown
>played ds2 for a hour
>played bloodborne till after i killed bloodstarved beast
>Not even quitting out of frustration, just out of disinterest
>replay months later and stopping at around the same place
I guess I have shit taste, I know these games are excellent, but I just cannot find enjoyment out of them, the fuck is wrong with me

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Nothing. Once you've killed a few bosses you've seen all there is to see, and "gotten as good" as you're going to get. From there, it's just rinse and repeat. There's no combos, unique abilities, skill progression, or meaningful equipment. They call it "fashion souls" for fuck's sake. You lock on and whack away whenever it's "safe" and abuse your six million i-frames when you aren't sitting behind your shield trying not to fall asleep. It's not just you. The only reason these games are such an integral part of gaming culture is because people that are losers in every other aspect of life can finally think they are good at something, without any appreciation for the fact that anyone could be good at it given the ample free-time they have because they don't do anything but sit in a dark room and tell themselves they'll do something about their miserable lives tomorrow.

So then you suck. You don't like playing video games user. Just admit it.

?
The game was a finished product at release.
Do you really expect a developer to implement every single minute detail that enters the development stage? Adding this shit would have been "rushed."

>I'm one-shot by some faggot with a sack and now I'm in some other part of the map
If you don't like hypogean gaol you can just run up the stairs and get the lamp post and warp out.
Talk to the woman crying in the dungeon where you wake up while wearing father gascione's clothes or other priest clothing and she'll go back to Cathedral ward chapel and help you next time you're there.

You're not forced to repeat anything, unlike a looter shooter.

I get that this is bait but God damn why is it a wall of text? Is this copypasta?

The exploring is fun
You don't have to kill every enemy on your next time through
In fact I can beat bb ng+ in like 2 hours

>Not our fault you have infinite free time because you don't have a job.
>anyone could be good at it given the ample free-time they have because they don't do anything but sit in a dark room and tell themselves they'll do something about their miserable lives tomorrow.
why are you so mad

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>I'm not complaining about difficulty. I'm complaining about the terrible pacing.
>So then you suck.
Not ONE valid counter-argument. Are you sure it's not From Shovelware games that suck?

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This.
Also apply it to every other game ever made and stop playing videogames.

(OP) #

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Not him, but explain "pacing."
You need to actually make an argument instead of tenuously hinting at one.

>Not our fault you have infinite free time because you don't have a job.

Yet you have time to write this all out and then write out walls of texts as responses. Holy fuck you're a pathetic faggot

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They get more interesting once you're past the 2nd optional boss. I stopped at old yharnam too my first 2 times. It was boring shit. Little did I know I could've just done cathedral ward and the map opens up a lot with like 3 or 4 other optional areas to do including the one OP is crying about. The game gets way cooler. If you haven't seen cainhurst caste I suggest at least playing until you can do that.

It takes about 45mins to get used to the game and get to the point where you can coast through the game.
Take your meds and try again.
I did a playthrough where I only played when I was shitfaced drunk. Completed it by beating all optional bosses and dlc in 30 hrs. Cross eyed drunk
GIT
GUD

I agree with you. It's DaS2 levels of suck.

If it takes you more than like 2 or 3 hours to figure out the game then you're a brainlet. I died more times in my first 2 hours with bb / ds3 than I did the rest of the game

No I'm saying in general your life sucks. You suck as a human being. You're a shitty product.

Comfiest coop chalice dungeon game
Tbh wish they made a chalice dungeons only mode and it was like warframe =)

It isn't bait. These games are a meme.
One of the design philosophies is that death is expected. By virtue of the fact that you are also meant to progress, you will inevitably repeat content.
Miyazaki must pay for this transgression against my medium

this game looks extremely samey and plays extremely samey for a good amount of hours, it's pretty much "it gets good x hours in" meme but it really is worth pursuing

>god of my wife's son, horizon, other cinematic shit good
>bloodborne bad
not a sonyfag, just a fag

No counter-argument beyond personal attacks. Get fucked soulsbabby.
>bragging about alcoholism
you have a bloodborne thread as evidence for that, congratulations salty fag

Please speak English and think about your words:
Expected ≠ Forced.

cainhurst castle was really shafted when they removed all the knight enemies and left only the same ghosts everywhere. I guess they didnt want it to be too similar to dark souls.

>It isn't bait
Yes it is. You're baiting people with good taste to argue your extremely vocal bad taste. Think before you type.

It’s just Dark Souls 2015. I played it after DS3 and realized, “Oh, I’ve played over 100 hours of this before”

Inb4 someone says they’re completely different

>this damage control

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Okay, I will just complete the entirety of a franchise chock-full of ambushes and one-shot enemies blind, without dying a single time, so that I never have to repeat content. God you're a fucking idiot
>This is bait
>No it isn't
>Yes it is
Another tally for the retard column

U fucking suck at an easy game.

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Not ONE person in this thread has been able to contribute a compelling counter-argument to anything I've been saying. There's multiple people that are agreeing with me, that it is either uninteresting or fans that are saying it's gotten stale since the original 2 games. It's not damage control, it's a victory lap. Go drink some more.

I proved why it was bait. You didn't prove how it wasn't. You cant argue sweety, calm down.

They already did and you didn't listen. You're just an insufferable faggot that has to go on Yea Forums to air his shit opinions because you have no friends that want to listen to your insane rambling about a critically acclaimed game.

I don't see the appeal. Although I really loved Dark Souls 1, this game really didn't get the same effect from me.

Here comes the faggots wall of text....

Expected ≠ Forced.
Dying a handful of times ≠ Forcing you to repeat content like a "looter shooter."
You are the garbage king of exaggeration you are illiterate. People like you should be gassed because you're so willfully and aggressively stupid.

Such as, after you beat Blood-Starved Beast you can "platform" (in a fucking Soulsborne) down the scaffolding for a shortcut to Vicar Amelia. The room that Blood-Starved Beast is in there is nothing. No progression, no way forward, nothing. Just a big fucking room that looks the same as all the others, with a lamp at the end. You are meant to go back to HD, talk to the wheelchair faggot, take his ambiguous hint, fast travel to a DIFFERENT lamp, and then jump down a bunch of scaffolding in a very linear fashion. God forbid you get insta-killed by the sack enemies like I did, because then you end up in an area that you didn't want to be in just out of the fucking blue and you have to trek around looking for a way back to the boss area. There are similar pacing issues that I've encountered throughout but that's where I am right now. In a game where the only fun bit is the bosses, why are they spread so thin with so many fucking cannon fodder enemies in between?

Just like everyone did and enjoyed. You sound like a little girl that has to have everything handed to them nicely or they throw a tantrum and play victim. This entire thread is you playing victim over not being able to enjoy the souls series cause you suck at them.

It's really missing the soul of the first game that no other soulsborne has been able to replicate so far. Bloodborne feels like a wannabe third-person action game, but if I wanted that I would go play DMC.

>hardcore sonyfag
>doesn't like the only good playstation exclusive in last 10+ years

You caught me.
You repeat content when you die. I laughed at your last line.
Right on the money, thank you for your valuable contribution.

Yup there it is Bro put this much effort into the actual game and you might enjoy it

The only underdeveloped part of the game was Cainhurst's lore.
You watched too much of Grant's cut content series it seems.

This entire thread is you playing victim over not being able to enjoy the souls series cause you suck at them.

This is precisely why I asked for clarification.
That's not pacing. You don't know what pacing is, clearly, but I'll explain it to you:
Pacing is the speed in which something moves towards its conclusion.
That content is also entirely optional and the routes you take are fucking whack.

Does anyone else think that "git gud" doesn't really apply to souls games in the first place? There's no fundamental skill that you can develop in these games that can be applied to other games in the genre. Getting good at a souls game involves tediously remembering every enemy attack animation and when to roll during those animations. That's pretty much all it boils down to. You can't call someone "good at souls games" because if another souls game came out today, that person would have to start remembering animations and iframes completely from scratch. They'd be virtually just as helpless as someone who never played a souls game in their life.

Compare this to fighting games or whatever. If someone is good at a fighting game, it carries over to most other fighting games. Zoning, links, combos, mixups etc.

Bro, he doesn't know how to play the games. We can stop actually trying to argue with him and just mock him now.

What's weird is that I don't really disagree with anything in the OP but I still find these games fun for some reason. I think it's something you either enjoy or you don't.

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Faggot opinion wall text incoming

did you enjoy hollow knight ?

i think you might be looking for complaints. the biggest thing i get from this paragraph is that you might be time-pressured from real life.

if you load up bloodborne with limited time to spare and have the mind set of "k this game better gimme something good" you'll end up hating it

i think you need to walk away from the game for now. when you come back start a new game and just take your time.

be the hunter, give yourself something to hunt.

in time you'll understand bloodborne is god-tier.

(not shitposting )

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His time is not valuable, as you can see from this thread. He's just a salty faggot.

>This guy's a fag! Let's get outta here, hardcore gamers!
This implies that optional content should not be factored into the pacing of a game, which is entirely false. That's like not allowing criticism against the side-content like Ubisoft towers in an open-world game, because you aren't doing only the main quest.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get at in this post. "Git gud" is just a convenient way for the fanbase to claim superiority and dismiss any arguments. This guy is a prime example. It's hilarious that still, NO ONE, has been able to defend the design decisions in these shallow games in any meaningful way.

See

I guess any game that doesn't immediately spawn you on the spot is bad? I submit that you have an incredibly limited and casual taste in games with no savescum features.
You can make this complaint for a metric fuckton of games. I don't think any of the souls games are particularly hard and you're not cutting your teeth on repeating sections in some protracted grind and mostly suffer scant deaths here and there with a few boss wipefests.
Finally—and most importantly—is this is part of why people like the games: adversity.

Why do you keep coming back to a series you don't like? How are you better than people who spend their free time enjoying Soulsborne games when you're apparently wasted a whole lot of yours being miserable at them? People tell asshats like you to get gud because you act like you're the only people in the world to find fault with the games. Souls fans criticize the games all the time, but you barge in and act like you're about to drop the realest truth-bomb of all time. Of course you're going to get blown off. Get bent, nigger.

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Mad cuz bad :^)

So true

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You are the first person to give me something to chew on. I was pretty approaching it from that mind-set. I guess it's easy to settle into that when the game is level-based, broken up by bosses. The lack of nuance in the combat is meant to be compensated for in the traversal, maybe. I didn't like Hollow Knight either, for many of the same reasons I've outlined in my walls of text.
I'm having more fun doing this than playing the game.

>playing the victim card
If you don't like it, don't play it.
God forbid the rest of us want some semblance of a challenge. And there's more to Bloodborne than epic hardcore gayming. Bamco's shitty promotional material really did a number on the fan base.

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based and snoypilled

Because I want to like it so I can be a cool, hardcore gamer like the big boys but I don't see what you see. Fair enough though, I can consider myself bent.
There are hard games that don't force you to do a bunch of boring bullshit with a "story" that is told primarily through flavor-text, though. A couple of people including yourself have demonstrated by now why someone would like the games, I've accepted it's just not for me.

>lack of nuance
Bro that's your entire life

You're criticizing the routes took to progress when YOU made the choices on it.
Don't use analogies, because analogies are literally just shitty little strawmen. Stay on the topic.

1. We've established that you don't know what pacing is (objectively true).
2. We've established that the source of your complaint stems from some gymnastics routine that you went through to take a different route. Now, we have to establish if that's the game's fault or yours (it's both), and if it's bad (it's part of why people like these games).

If this shit didn't click for you, that's fine. Go back to whatever it is you like and play that instead. Don't come in here throwing around """arguments""".

They officially killed any and all constructive discussion about gaming. Gameplay in particular.

>goes from insane rambling to actually discussing the game
Looks like the faggot took a xanax between posts. God job user. Keep up the pill popping.

Funny enough you never told anyone what your favorite game series is.

I have no doubt that I am more successful than you.

You can't get on me for strawmanning when you immediately do it in the very next line. If the content is there, then it undoubtedly plays a factor in "reaching the conclusion of the overall experience". Neither of us is going to change the other's mind, so I'm going to take your last bit of advice.

>100% accurate description of me
B-based

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>success
Whatever you do it doesn't take away your awful personality and lack of friends to actually to about this. You're a fucking failure as a human being when it comes to personality. And taste in video games obviously.

I have no doubt I'm happier and have more friends and family that actually enjoy being around me than you.

>a game is only good if I can accomplish everything on my first try

So are you angry the game is a success? Are you angry people "get it" and you don't? What are you actually angry about user. Why are you really crying about the souls series? Did miyazaki touch you...

>pseud tries armchair psychology: the post

The salt wore off from my experience and getting name-called by a handful of Yea Forums NEETs isn't enough to make me mad.

An easy projection for this website. Keep your chin up pal.

>this cope

Don't reply to my post.

FUCK

>Are you angry people "get it" and you don't?
Pretty much.

Another triggered NEET to tally in my column. God I am so cool

This entire post is coping user. You can stop now. You lost. No one gives a shit about your opinion and you got sad about it and starting talking about being """'successful"""" to help deal with the pain. Its Yea Forums bro yet you're this sad.

Amen, brother.

>I'm a hardcore Sonyfag
Jesus fucking christ

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>Still engaging when you've reached the 'it's not for me' conclusion
You're either too tied up in how people perceive you too just stop or you are starved for attention. Get a new hobby.

You not knowing what pacing are and the flaw you found with the game being equally part "user-end" because you chose it are not strawmen, please. They are not changing the argument and making it easier for me to win. I am being more than fair with you.

Reform your arguments to one's that are more reasonable.
>The world design is spotty in places.

>this damage control
Weak. Try better.

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So you admitted you are retarded husk?
Thank you for telling this first so i can avoid wasting my time reading the rest

>Shitty opinion followed by pointless damage control the thread

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>triggered
I'm honestly having a good chuckle at this thread of yours and at you. This thread is you comically turbosperging out of control because you don't see what others see in these games. You are the one that is coping.

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Must really suck to not enjoying game of this gen/decade

No please do so. It's actually fucking hilarious.

I beat the entire game even though I didn't enjoy it at all. I just kept playing because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, to see when it became the greatest game of all time that everyone on Yea Forums always acts like it is. It never did.

are you having fun yet?
maybe it's time to do something else for a while

Why do soulsbornekiro fags like to put bloodborne on a pedal stool as the magnum opus of modern game design?

Maybe because people like the game.

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Very worthwhile post thank you

Slowly I'm accepting the fact that I do not like soulsborne games. I appreciate the games for what they are, I just will never like them. Just because a game is critically acclaimed does not mean I will like them, nor there is something wrong with me if I don't. I don't have to prove myself to anyone, I could sit here all day shitting on this game and making excuses not to play it like OP. It's my fault not the game and that is OK.

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Based.

>harcore sonyfag
>disliking Bloodborne

Maybe you'd like it more if there was some story that goes nowhere, an over the shoulder camera and some two dimensional combat system.

See

>Not our fault you have infinite free time because you don't have a job.

you were doing good until you put this into your post.

its confirmed that souls games in general is shit, if you think cuckbourne is bad, oh fucking boy, don't play any of the dork souls games. its a million times worse.

people only like it because of the "xDD ITS A HARD GAME, PREPARE TO DIEEEE XDDDD GIT GUUDDDD SCRUB PRAISE THE SUN HAHA EPIC MEMEExDD"

majority of the games difficulty comes from technical limitations, you remove that and you get cuckbourne, a casual dodge and slap game with shitty platforming.

>image
fucking cringe

Hey OP, this is what it's like to have a decent personality. Take notes.

must really suck to be this much of a retard. its literally just streamlined dork souls. nothing groundbreaking or revolutionary to even be worth giving a title like "game of this gen/decade"

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This thread is a fucking gold mine.
t. person who enjoys the Souls series

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usuc

>It's my fault not the game
This is where we disagree, and why I am triggering people that like to pretend they are good at video games while you desperately look for pats on the back like some sort of fucking Uncle Tom in my thread

Sure, which still results in a valid criticism that goes relatively ignored in threads about this series, unless they have entered meme territory like Blighttown. The only game I see get legitimately shat on is DaS2. You might be the most civil detractor in the thread though, I agree to disagree.

I'm having fun in the thread, just ignoring all the people who have devolved into name calling after realizing I'm right. Here's your (You)

without the dlc this game would be a 6/10 at best

prove me wrong

you can like a game without it being 10/10-"ign". what pisses me off though is you guys praising it like its the most revolutionary video game in history. it will never ever be close to touching doom,quake, half life, in terms of influence.

>4 years later
>still seething
Oh no no no no no no no

If having a personality is being too scared to discuss points of contention on a popular subject, then I'm glad I'm a prick.

Shut the fuck up you stupid poverty cow.

>I'm right
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww you're so cute with disgnoticve disorder :3

>game of the decade must be innovative
What kind of meme are you trying to force? I can consent to dark souls being gotd second soulsborne is more innovative than 4th entry of this series

Having a personality is being to air your opinions without everyone thinking you're a complete cunt. Which you can't do.

>There's no combos, unique abilities, skill progression
Sounds like the diablo genre is more your speed
You don't want challenge, you just want a loot treadmill where you blow things up until you suddenly can't which means you need to get back on the loot treadmill you were already on

Because it is

nothing I've played since DaS1 has compared to a blind playthrough of DaS1

kys

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Not really, noones claiming it to being revolutionary. It just happens to be a solid 10/10 game for many people. And a great game doesn't need to be revolutionary or influential, for that matter.

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>namecalling on the internet in support of some tard looking for (You)s
>telling ME I don't have a personality
hmmmmm....

Agreed. You can't give a game a title like that when it largely makes use of the same formula that has been in place since the previous console generation with a little Victorian twist (read: make everything grey and sPoOky!!!)

what would you rather have
>third person arpg #50 for $60 on your new shitstation 4 tm

or

>an actual new original IP with new game mechanics that isn't stale shit we have had for the past 10 years

splatoon easily fits game of the decade but because its nintendo, its automatically kid shit and isn't worth playing.

meanwhile you got some streamlined version of games we already have, only it looks a little better and plays at 60 fps. yeah, thats totally worth game of the fucking decade you cuck.

>I'm a prick
Don't discount pricks. You're a complete faggot.

The only reason I get pissed off about Bloodborne is the cosmic horror/alien shit in the latter half of the game. Like yeah it was a neat twist and Lovecraft is cool but I wanted more Van Hellsing werewolf shit goddammit.

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>And a great game doesn't need to be revolutionary or influential, for that matter.
obviously, but if you're praising it to be literal god tier untouchable game and there are no flaws period, than it needs to be a big deal, and its not.

I imagine you thought this was clever as you were typing it.

I suspect the exclusivity plays a factor. They can say whatever they like about how """great""" the game is and only Ps4 owners will be able to call them on it.

Pretty sure that's just the snoys waving it around as their one good exclusive for the sake of console war shitposting.

No I was just thinking of how much more successful I am in life compared to you. And without the shitty opinions on video games. I'm so happy.

The werewolf shit is the most boring part of the game.

Speak for yourself. Keep being stuck in 2015. Not a single person who loves Bloodborne gives a shit about console wars. People genuinely love the game.

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>god tier untouchable game and there are no flaws period, th
Seeing how the Souls games are the pinnacle of third person action rpgs and bloodborne refined the combat to a point where it's the best out of all the Souls games yeah, I think it's one of the best games ever made
Can't wait for sekrio, hope it somehow over takes bloodborne

you would be surprised how many people unironically believe this shit. its not shitposting anymore, this is real shit now.

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You're supposed to die to the bag guys, it's the only way to get to that area.

>Souls games are the pinnacle of third person action rpgs

obviously not but you can keep believing this if you want. they're good games but not the absolute best.

If you suck and getting rage from bloodborne, don't even try souls series, bloodborne is a fucking ez mode.

No, they are the best for me, my opinion and yours clearly differs, are you unironically stupid or what?

No game exists without flaws. It'll be just blind fanboyism if it weren't denied. That said, Bloodborne really took the Souls formula, refined it into its own form with a rarely used setting and great art direction. This is precisely why people praise it.

>splatoon easily fits game of the decade
oh my fucking god, you've just exposed yourself

*if it were

He's right.

>liking soulshit
>good taste

Git gud

t. 43yo idort with a job who has beaten Bloodborne several times

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>liking Sony = good
>liking Nintendo = bad and exposed
Idorts exist.

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No, that's what it's like to be a redditor.
>I don't hate the thing, don't get me wrong, it's a great thing, if I don't like it, I am the problem
It's the most faggy way to criticize anything.

>No, they are the best for me
yeah, for you. you're being subjective.

if i were to be objective, they're 7-8/10 at best. nowhere near 10/10. a 10/10 game requires it to be a perfect masterpiece with absolute zero flaws.

people give games 10/10 without any actual thought just because they liked it. thats just fucking wrong, period.

The redditors support each other, don't even bother. There's a fucking guy in here defending splatoon.

yeah i know its a good game, im not saying its shit, im just saying you guys exaggerate waay too fucking much. nobody has any actual standards, they just give it 10/10 and shill it like their life depends on it.

>REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT
you guys are so pathetic

name 1 game that came out in the past 50 years that has the same gameplay as splatoon, except for that weird xbox game nobody heard of until splatoon came out.

its entirely unique, unlike souls games, which is just the same shit we have had over the years but with their own flavor.

what a well thought out, quality post

>I don't hate the thing, don't get me wrong, it's a great thing, if I don't like it, I am the problem

because its true. ive played souls games, they arent objectively bad, but nowhere near deserving of the praise they receive.

its like doing something everyone already does but you get special treatment for it because everyone likes you.

>people give games 10/10 without any actual thought just because they liked it. thats just fucking wrong, period.
Just like how some people loved BOTW, GOW or whatever the fuck is loved
It's all fucking subjective, I love the Souls series, you don't and that's okay, but please do tell me what's objectively better than bloodborne so I can play that game and see if it's any good

fuck off soulsnigger

amazing how you invalidated your post in just one sentence

>The game was a finished product at release.

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yeah i know i did, thats why i used the word "except". literally nobody heard of a game called "the splatters" until it was brought up after splatoon became popular. it might as well not have existed.

Yes it was. You binge watching Grant's cut content series doesn't prove anything. The only underdeveloped aspect of Bloodborne is the lore surrounding Cainhurst and the covenant you can join there.

you can be objective, you just need to not let your opinions influence actual facts. thats when things become subjective.

also i don't need to prove to you that there is some better game out there, that isn't how you define the quality of a game by comparing it to something better or worse. it literally makes no sense. might as well be a "my dick is bigger than yours" contest.

if you want me to do a full review of all the souls games in this thread, sure, but that would be impossible.

your standards are just waayyyy too low and anything that is "fun" is an automatic 10/10. thats being subjective. if you want to be objective and find out for yourself, replay the games, question everything about it, analyze what you gathered, and understand it, instead of going "lol i had fun 10/10" then shilling it like its a masterpiece.

>he fell for the soulsborne meme

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you sound like a butthurt pussy. maybe you just dont like a game that other people like. there no objective reason for that other than that you dont like it. stop trying to make your taste empirical, and spend some time playing something you DO like, you whiny little fucking teenager.

you're the same type of kid that feels compelled to shit up every single Nioh thread because you didnt like the game

2/10
you tried

>your standards are just waayyyy too low and anything that is "fun" is an automatic 10/10. thats being subjective. if you want to be objective and find out for yourself, replay the games, question everything about it, analyze what you gathered
We're talking about video games here, I can have more fun in ocarina of time than I can in a game like the last of us simply because I find the gameplay to be more fun
Objectively a 5inch piece of wood is weaker than a 5inch piece of steel, right?
A video game is purley subjective, just like music or other fucking stupid hobbies and interests
The fact that you typed all that stupid shit out makes me think you're just retarded

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I bought PS4 this week, played the shit out of DS1,2 and 3 - these games can't even compete. I'm currently at the minigun dude on the tower, after the odeon chaple and man, the atmosphere and the gameplay is ridiculously good.