Why didn't he just CHIM'd Dagoth ur out of existence?

I don't think he ever truly achieved CHIM, just understood it. The whole point of writing the 36 lessons was so the player character could achieve CHIM.

>understand CHIM
>man that's really fucking gay
>zero sum

That's exactly how you avoid zero summing though. You understand and accept the truth of the Godhead and still don't give a shit. You willingly embrace a total contradiction of self/no self at the same time simply because you have such a titanic fucking ego.

I'm just starting Morrowind and then gonna play Skyrim. Gonna take it slow and read quests and books the whole way thru.

How much of this batshit insanity am I gonna be able to understand from the games alone?

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The CHIM shit is mostly just one developers ideas that he talked about on fan forums. He doesn't work at Bethesda anymore so people debate whether or not it's still canon. As far as in-game stuff goes it only really makes an appearance in 36 lessons of Vivec and Commentaries on the mysterium Xarxes. Don't worry about it too much.

My guess would be because the Nerevarine defeating Ur was written on an Elder Scroll somewhere, and he can't mess with anything prophesied on them.

Same case here. Maybe a case of him playing rules lawyer. The Scroll could have stated the chunk of the moon will crash into Vivec city, it never stated WHEN it would do so, or how long after it fell.

because he isn't as powerful as he is hyped up to be

>worshipping some floating fake god
>not worshipping BASED and SEXPILLED Mephala
get a load of these n'wahs

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I red a transcript once that explained that the only way Vivec managed to harness the power of CHIM without zero-summing is by only using it for creation/love/protection and never for selfish/destructive/hateful reason.

The only way for him to not zero-sum while using the power of CHIM (fusing with Divinity at the cost of the sense of self) is by being utterly selfless and thus changing his "1" into "0", thus making the ( 0) + (- 1) = -1 which is existing in divinity.

Think about it, not once did he fought for selfish reason, nor did he use his power for conquest. Only defense, and betterment of others.

In the end, he even self-sacrifices himself for the Nerevarine. This is why he's got an temple order and champions to do his shit. But he must be very careful to stay in a "Nirvana"-buddhist state, lest he zero-sums to oblivion.

youtube.com/watch?v=QvuW2Jl5ZyY

Probably too busy sucking Molag Bals severed dong

That's the best way to play it. Don't skip Oblivion though. Unless you've already played it, of course.

That doesn't make sense. You're posting on a board dedicated for autism about virtual worlds that people would choose over real life.

Also, look how the Tribunal represents balance in terms of using/understanding Godhood.

Vivec is selfless, Almalexia is selfish (and never did anything to not further her own agenda), and Sotha Sil is neutral in everything.

>Sorry for the reddit spacing, I've been here since 2011 but I cannot figure how NOT to do it for the life of me.

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Because CHIM is just some stupid bullshit made up by Morrofags to make the game seem 2 deep

That was all with powers from the heart though. We don't have any good examples of Vivec using CHIM. Plus how would disappearing Dagoth Ur not be for the betterment of others?

>Vivic is selfless

And so you choose to believe the convient lie, much like he does.

You'd think that would be the case based on how CHIM is described, but Vivec is extremely concerned about Morrowind's fate and his own semi-divine life.

Why didn't he just CHIM the moon into red mountain

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>We don't have any good examples of Vivec using CHIM.
Doesn't he have a chair he deleted the texture from?

Pretty sure that was made up as an afterthought to excuse Bethesda cutting corners, but fair enough I guess. Still don't think Vivec achieved CHIM.

Dagoth Ur was too autistic for CHIM. He was the anti-CHIM so it could have backfired spectacularly

You got two of those mixed up. Vivec is neutral and Sotha Sil is the selfless one.

He just doesn't brag because unlike Vivec and Ayem he doesn't give a crap about worship or godhood and cares about the bigger picture.

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Indeed, but the heart only gave in the power necessary to understand Godhood (by allegedly going on a "journey" to ask the secret word to Molag Bal in exchange for hot, steamy, daedric sex). It's like this : you have to be lvl 255 to be able to unlock CHIM, aaand you must know the secret password (which is, conveniently, CHIM).

Even if removing Dagoth Ur would have been a selfless move from other's point of view (like yours or mine), it would have been perceived as a selfish act FROM Vivec's point of view (which would make him zero-sum).

In his text, and his saying, Vivec explains that he feels guilty and responsible for Dagoth's death, so just "removing" his mistake from existence would be (for him) the moral equivalent of brushing dust under the carpet.

Plus, Dagoth Ur has access to the heart, and because of reverse-Godhood shenanigans, is much more powerful than Vivec at the time.

The trick is, he has to act selflessy from HIS own point of view, not from yours of mine, which can explain the disparity of how you would perceive his actions.

I agree it's "convenient" for him, but it makes perfect sense from a lore-point-of-view

Basically this.

>Vivec feels enlightened by his own intelligence

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user it's very simple

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Does he ? Everything he does or has done is to create something new, that wouldn't be weaved into the kalpa's destiny.

I agree that ultimately he fights entropy, but he isn't taking any part in any politics whatsoever. He just spends his time being autistic in his own homemade-world.

Because that'd probably wake the fucking godhead. It's literally the NPC CHIM version of crashing the game by using too many console commands.

It's not too hard to understand, he cannot lie to himself, because if he does and fucks up (which is to say : "Oh, but I AM acting for the greater good" but he truly doesn't believe so), then he runs the risk of zero-summing by losing the grip of his Godhood over his over-inflated sense of self.

Plus, he knows that you cannot use CHIM to change reality too drastically, otherwise he would run the chance to "unmake" the universe, or zero-sum it (which would imply waking up the fucking Godhead).

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>which would imply waking up the fucking Godhead
This is what should happen desu. Better to embrace the truth than live a comfortable lie. Plus because Amaranth is a thing we don't know how many dreams within dreams deep we are. You probably just wake up to the next level of dreaming.

Because Vivec does only what he feels important. Such as
>murder your commander
>obtain godhood
>write a series of fanfiction where your commander was your protege and you the wise master all along
>abuse newfound godhood and make said fanfiction the de facto holy scripture of your people
That is to say, Vivec is a dick.

God damn almalexia is hot here