Did you like DMC5 story? What about V?

The first thing that Dante does after the fight is go lock himself in hell together with Virgil to destroy the roots of that shitty tree.
He even stresses how important that is and that only thanks to Nero they can go and do that because he knows that Nero will protect earth meanwhile.
How is that not heroic and even self sacrificial? I mean, sure he knows that he will probably be alright in hell, but he is still locking himself there without any real way of getting out.

>Dante and Vergil felt like they were just messing around rather than wanting to kill each other, making it feel like
>Nero's DT felt hamfisted
other than that it was enjoyable

>Did you like DMC5 story?
Not really.
>What about V?
He should have been Mundus.

Dante's already broke out of hell before all by himself. Why would this time be any different, especially when he's got Vergil with him, the guy who can open / seal portals?

Because they need to find a hole that is connected to human world according to the novels and that shit is random.
They may get out in a few months or years after. Though Dante probably never was happier than he is now for the last 20 years anyway.

Why does Eva look so much better than Trish? Is the model different or do the hair and clothes just make that much of a difference?

She doesn't you tranny lover.

1 was better with its minimal cutscenes and using level/enemy design to tell more of the story. Just loading a game with more hours of cutscenes usually makes it worse.

It certainly didn't feel like they were fighting to the death for real even though it was kind of a story point.
But they were going up and up in power levels during the fight and with the last strike in devil forms probably going to at least hurt each other. And who knows what would happen there if not for Dante interfering and taming their autism.
Vergil saying that he would beat Dante by default if he wins the fight with Nero was pure gold.

Which city will Vergil genocide next? And will the other characters care?

What's the picture supposed to imply?

i thnk the cane belonged to Sparda in his sunset years, he looked very old in the picture in his manor, as the cane is a conduit for demonic energy. in the manga V just took the cane

what should the story of the next game be?
>Dante and Vergil haven't returned
>suddenly, disturbance in the underworld, a portal opens or whatever
>Nero, Lady and Trish have to go there and resolve it
>all 3 are playable
>the disturbance is caused by corrupted Dante after being mind broken for killing his brother
>Nero has to recover the Yamato to separate Dante's human and devil side in order to stop him
>turns out Vergil wasn't dead, and was just fused with Dante after being mortally struck by the Devil Sword Dante (formerly Rebellion)
Yamato separates both, but Vergil ultimately dies after the split and gets to give a heartwarming speech to Dante and Nero, while admitting he deserves death after all he did

>>>fanfiction.net

>what should the story of the next game be?
A beach party side story instead of any of that edgy trash

Does Vergil and Dante mean Nero was stronger than both of them? Doesn´t feel right. Why beating your kid that just pulled his devil trigger for the first time means you beat Dante by default? WTF Vergil stop making excuses for your own inability to beat your brother

>Why beating your kid that just pulled his devil trigger for the first time means you beat Dante by default?
because one bitchslap from Nero almost oneshotted Dante.

Looked more like a lucky sucker punch and Dante overreacting than anything else

V was cool but everything else in the story was terrible.

Dante and Nero acted like retards, Vergil seemed like a parody of himself, Trish and Lady were completely underused and out of character.

V and Gryphon's puns were the only good part of the story

>what should the story of the next game be?
Dante vs Shodan

>turns out vergil wasn't dead
again?

>imagine Trish getting pinned against a gray wall, that's the same color of her fucking boring bitch-ass character who imperonates moms becuase she's literally an unholy wretch with no dignity whatsoever, while at the same time the demon-whore who suckled Mundus' big red tri-balls and had so much piss-stained demon cum splurged all over her hair, it got dyed blond, is being fisted with pizza up her matrix-2000 black fetish pants ripped apart, so hard the term yeast infection gets a new meaning, and with her last whoreish, skanky, breaths she coughs up the crusty, hell-cum out her ps2-octagon mouth, leaving her dark soul unfilled, yet her ass stuffed to the brim

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It was the stick up Vergil's ass the whole time. Splitting himself dislodged it, resulting in V not being a total douche.

I really wish they had hired him as the bird VA.

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Dante and Vergil become the Dragon Ball Super's version of Goku and Vegeta. Nero becomes DBS' Future Trunks. Red Grave City was a holocausted but who cares, I met my daddy and he's now play fighting with my uncle on a different planet, counting their wins.

But on a more serious note it starts falling apart when V's origin is revealed.

They look the same user

I feel like DMC5 did a good enough job at normalising Vergil so we can finnally get out of this endless rivalry and "is he dead ? is he alive again?" bullshit

Jusqt let him chill with Dante occasionally being an edgy prick like Vegeta or something

The haiur on eva is slightly different, also she's constantly doing a pained/distressed look in that scene

Trish's face looks like shit because she acts like a devious succubus despite looking like she's 50 and the fact that she has a resting bitch fach

>V's story is pretty touching
>Nero's story develops well and this game fleshes out his personality more
>Dante is pretty on par with the other games, cuhrayzee old man does his thing
The real problem with the story is vergil and the fact that they sacrificed V for him. Nero has more maturity going on than Vergil. So even after V has his moment to realize his mistakes and fuzes with him Vergils still an unrepentant ass who only cares about muh power and fighting dante. They turned a cool edgelord with justifiable reasonings into a literal manchild. While at the same time kinda wasting the time anyone who was invested into V had. That's the problem with the story and it ends off at a dud too.

I like that Vergil is back but I don't like how nobody cares that part of him just annihilated a city
You'd thing he would at least be expected to apologize because his decision to separate himself into demon and human was his own but nobody cares

I didn't like how 5 handled this
Vergil literally killed millions of people this time, and in the end he receives zero punishement or even goes through any sort of redemption
he's a horrible fucking villain and should suffer for his doings

The only problem I had was WHERE THE FUCK IS MUNDUS?

>said he would return after being beaten in dmc1
>V using demons that served Mundus in dmc1
>characters and files mention he became demon king by eating the same demon fruit

I fully expected him to steal the final boss spot and have Dante, Vergil and Nero beat his ass once and for all

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>Dante's already broke out of hell before all by himself
The novel changed this, he got out because the Order of the Sword was fucking around with Yamato before DMC4 and ended up accidentally making a portal

>WHERE THE FUCK IS MUNDUS?
Didn't it take him thousands of years to invade Earth after Sparda defeated him?

Mundus already got raped by Dante with Sparda powers. Dante's Sin form is said to be possibly even stronger than Sparda ever was, Mundus would just instantly die again

Why is everyone saying Vergil needs punishment for Urizen's actions again?

He didn't know that his demon side would be pure evil and share basically none of his memories or personality. He couldn't have known any of what was going to happen, and he only split himself as a last ditch thing because he was fucking dying.

It's unfortunate that everything happened, yes, but blaming Vergil for that and wanting him to suffer isn't really fair when he probably thought his demon side contained his memories and personality, when in fact it was his human side.

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I mean Vergil himself didn't expect Urizen to be as bad as he was, He as V makes sure to try and fix the problem AND when fully healed he actively jumps down into hell to fix everything as well while letting himself stay in hell.

it wasn't handwaved away, idiot
when Vergil volunteers to go to Hell, Dante immediately follows him to keep an eye on him. Dante knows that Vergil is still a threat

Vergil and Dante just had an all out fight
they were exhausted
at full strength, Vergil would beat the shit out of Nero and Dante would beat the shit out of Vergil

>vergil didn't know that demons without a shred of humanity are bad
lol okay

>Who is Sparda

a demon with human spirit

Co op game where you play as Dante and Vergil in Hell
There is no story
You just kill demons

>Sparda
>Trish
>Cerberus (Was literally just doing his job and guarding the thing Sparda told him to)
>Agni and Rudra (Same as above, but even friendlier)
>Lucia
>A shitload of characters in the canon anime

Oh shut the fuck up, not an argument.

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is Trish really a demon?
isn't she just created by Demonic energy?

but why would they be killing demons instead of each other?

did you not see the post credit cutscene?
they do both

I thought it was retarded
Not MGSV bad but it was getting dangerously close to it

They're not trying to kill each other anymore, they're just obsessively keeping count of who wins more

>Dante, Trish, lady and Nero get ravaged by Urizen in the prologue
>after cutting down the trees and saving Lady and Trish, V finally tells where the fuck he came from for whatever reason, despite his time being limited, he waited until he started losing power.
>"if vergil is gonna stab himself with his Yamato I'm gonna do it to too!" says Dante
>"but first I'm gonna pay a visit to my old house"
>Dante now transforms into demon level 2, feels like I'm watching dragon ball
>Dante is even stronger than the king of demons himself now and makes him run away
>the demon king Urizen eats the demon fruit which supposedly makes you the strongest being that there ever was
>Dante defeats him without the need of transforming at all
>Vergil appears
>Nero transforms into devil level 2 because he's angry, Dragon ball tier again
>after the usual sibling fight, Dante and everyone else forget that Vergil literally killed millions of people worldwide with his autistic powertrip and Dante and Vergil become best bros in hell, the end
great story

>mission running through Hell
>you do your best, get to an SS ranking
>at the end your own brother starts shit talking you, bragging about his SSS ranking
>an entire game of this

>Nero transforms into devil level 2
no, he becomes Devil level 1

I really don't see Dante as the cliched hero character who has a bleeding heart for humans. Personality wise he feels like an average guy except for his powers and demon heritage.

My favorite meme of DMC5.
>Well my brothers being an asshole again
>"being an asshole"
>literally destroyed an entire city
>killed hundreds of thousands
Boys will be boys.

Vergil is an autist. I don't think he really planned any of this. Dante chases Vergil down in the end to stop him but at the point the qlipoth was just rampaging indiscriminately, Vergil isn't doing anything except egging him on so they can fight some more.

wow this is horrifically bad lol

This, I have no clue why these ultra-moral fags are hell bent on trying to goad the writers into crucifying Vergil for something he didn't do. They seem to assign him to Urizen rather than to V (who was trying to stop it) for some reason in regards to moral agency. The game clearly has this internal philosophy as well, seeing as neither Nero nor Dante assign Urizen's bloodguilt to Vergil. So its basically autists reeing at the game saying WHY DON'T YOU SHARE MY MORAL VIEWS

basically the same shit as DMC 3

there are countless examples of demons that aren't bad in DMC lore, in fact its a point of the creators that demons aren't inherently bad
you are trying to understand it with a Christian mentality (culturally speaking, not assuming your personal religious views) which the creators have repeatedly warned westerners not to do
tl;dr DEMON BAD is not necessarily true

god damn this would be the best possible option, Dante/Vergil bro-op game and at the end they kill Mundus together and celebrate with a sparring match

I just want humans to start using Devil Arms

It looked like the Tower did a lot less damage. You saw direct and real destruction to the city in 5 from the Qlipoth.

so here are some of the most obivous question that noone seems to ask...

WHO WANTED A KNEW NEW GUY !?
WHO ASKED FOR NERO !?
WHY IS HE THE CENTER NOW !?
WHO LIKES THIS FGT !?

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I liked it. V was a pain in the ass to play as though, hated being forced to use him. Dante was amazing.

they can't handle them, that's why the Order made themselves into demons in DMC4

Nero was clearly introduced as a compliment to Dante. It's no secret Dante has a super high skill ceiling. Nero's skill floor and ceiling are lower, making him easier for people to get into.

I don't have a problem with Nero being a playable character, but he shouldn't be the main character.

if that's true, why is Dante so much easier to play?

>Vergil could've given Mundus a run for his money if he wasn't injured
>gets his ass kicked by Nero
>Nero cited saying "Kyrie would kill me if she saw this"
confirmed strongest in the universe

Prototype weapon of prototype Vergil.
All prototype weapons are kinda getting referenced in some way.
>double shotgun through Gilver
>cane throught V
Only thing left is rapier to get in somehow as well.

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But virgil wasn't in control of Urizen

add in 20 hours of voice lines, all banter

If you check it out in the gallery, it's said there's nothing actually special about it. V just channels the little demonic power he has left through it

Nah, they both had a tough fight, Nero just slapped them out of their rage and showed them there's another way out of this.

Mundus also ate the fruit and got fucked by Sparda regardless

The fruit is a strong buff, but that doesn't mean that it can protect you from a very strong bugman with a pointy stick if said buglad is really fucking strong and has a boner for justice.

Nero just watching and throwing a tantrum as weak shit Qliphoth roots impaled random, innocent humans right in front of him then just leaving for a month knowing how many others were definitely going to die was an even bigger mishandling of the hero being shown to not care.

His demon side did contain his memories and personality. He recognises Dante and the whole reason he did everything he did was to gain the power needed to defeat Dante. Vergil already opened a portal to hell and endangered the entire world for the sake of gaining power back when he was a fully-sentient half-demon, unless he's a complete and utter fucking retard (which he sort of is) he should have expected that going even more demon would have had similar results. Besides V outright says the sole reason he couldn't die was because he had to defeat Dante, he wasn't just scared of death and trying some last act of desperation to stay alive.

>>V was a bad guy all along
Fuck Griffon, fuck Shadow, fuck Nightmare and fuck V

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>Did you like DMC5 story?
No. It was pointless and brought nothing new or interesting to any of the characters.

>What about V?
Boring to play, whatever character with a stupid reveal.

Devil trigger Nero > Nero > Virgil > Dante > V

His Demon side didn't contain his memories, that was in V. Urizen is only lust for power and hate for Dante.

>Did you like DMC5 story?

Yes, great story.
>why they fighting
>because

can't believe this guy wrote devil may cry 3

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>lust for power and hate for Dante
Those ARE Vergil's memories.

No, Vergil is also driven by his childhood memories and feelings of abandonement, all that stuff and his moral core stayed with V. V is visibly disgusted with what Urizen is doing and ready to die in atonement, he only decides to recombine into Vergil after the pep talk with Trish.

V's gameplay is crap but I like his character

Are you suggesting that only his good memories/personality traits are allowed to be considered Vergil, and all his bad memories/personality traits should be disregarded? Vergil isn't either V or Urizen you fag, he's both. Saying Urizen didn't have his memories or personality is a god damn lie and you know it. Two halves make the whole and there's a reason the Urizen half was so much and so clearly stronger than the V half.

>ESL

No, Urizen has part of his memories, V has others, Vergil is made up of both.

The reason why V is so weak is because Vergil just wanted to discard his humanity and Mundus aids. Urizen is what he wanted to become when he did the split

So why do Dante and Vergil go to hell, exactly?

>Two halves make the whole
Yeah, halves. Not two wholes.

to reconnect and take up gardening

>Vergil
Destroy the Qliphoth
>Dante
Make sure Vergil doesn't summon another demon edifice or get the gay from a stronger demon

No, it's because Vergil long since disregarded his humanity and focused solely on gaining demonic power, making his demon side strong and his human side weak. V even says he regrets losing everything he did by living like that. Both sides were still dying from Mundus aids, which is why Urizen had to stay connected to the tree to keep himself strong and still lost after eating the fruit. If the same separation process happened to Dante his human side would be much stronger than V even without demonic assistance, like a male Lady (and he'd probably just call himself Dude).

There's absolutely nothing to suggest V and Urizen have different memories, the only difference is what they choose to do with those memories. What's undeniable is Urizen knows who Dante is and the whole reason Vergil splits himself in two is to defeat Dante. I don't know how people can say, "Urizen has none of Vergil's memories or personality," with a straight face.

DMC4 and 5 have turned him from a faux nonchalant man with a heart of gold into a memey faggot that has to quip, laugh, or start dancing whenever anything happens. Dante has turned into a black hole that sucks all of the emotion out of the game.

This is made worse by the fact that Nero is a whiny melodramatic bitch.

Here's how to improve DMC5's plot. Only a few simple fixes are needed:

>Keep Urizen in it, but make him an actual demon king who isn't a part of Vergil
>current underworld has been undergoing years of constant warfare since death of Mundus
>Urizen wants to get the upper hand and rule the underworld
>He initiates Qlipoth ritual at Redgrave and several other sites around the world to gain human blood to create the fruit that will allow him to rule the underworld (changing it to a worldwide event makes it grander in scale instead of just affecting one city)
>Since death of Mundus, a dying Vergil has been wandering underworld trying to regain his power
>He's been in hiding and hibernation in the underworld since events of DMC1 freed him from Mundus's control
>He learns of Urizen's plot to make demon fruit and realizes he could use it to regain power
>While Urizen is opening a portal to the human world, Vergil escapes through it and tries to find Yamato
>Vergil senses it in Nero's hand
>He cuts off Nero's hand to get Yamato back
>Uses his remaining power to create a human familiar (V) who will go to Dante et al. and convince them to stop Urizen
>V will be tasked to grab the fruit and give it to Vergil so that he can be revived at full power

Everything else remains the same. At least this way, Vergil won't be a petty mass-murderer who (through his Urizen side) indirectly killed millions of people in order to get even with Dante.

Nero's arc was way too sudden and neither Vergil fight had the emotional impact of DMC3. They should've revealed that Vergil was his dad much earlier in order to build his feelings concerning lack of proper family and wanting to be accepted by his sole blood relative earlier on. Nero's FUCK YOU devil trigger could've also been unlocked earlier in some mid-point emotional moment so the final boss didn't have to a be glorified tutorial. As great as Vergil originally was, he only got off the hook this time because fujos love him and the devs were afraid of killing the guy off for real.

If they're making further sequels I really think they need to tone down the fanservice and give most recurring characters a rest. We don't need to have Trish and Lady and so on in every game in the series if they're just going to "be there" rather than actually drive the plot, even Kyrie who is just a voice had more plot relevance in 5 than either of them. Arguably even Dante could go since it's not like we're ever receiving any further character development for him since he has been already relegated to mentor role for Nero for two games in a row. I'd prefer new interesting characters instead and I'm still disappointed V ended up just being an aspect of Vergil.

DMC3 at least shows Vergil getting his just deserts for what he did.
DMC5 uses a similar kind of ending where he drops down to hell, but this time it's hardly a punishment, on the contrary he got a happily ever after ending with Dante.

I don't like it. For a start Yamato has always been integral to more powerful demons crossing over, in 3 Mundus gets it which allows 1 to happen then it's lost but the Order find it allowing 4 to happen, just having some new guy who can open portals at whim would be lacking. Keep Urizen and V but make V an NPC. Four Nero missions, four Dante missions, mission 9 is Nero beating Urizen and V fusing with him, mission 10 is Dante fighting Vergil because Vergil still wants the fruit (someone has to claim it, brother. Might as well be me). Then another demon gets the fruit, Mundus for theme (restoring him to his former glory), Malphas in the Arkham-style rusemaster way, or Goliath just because he's charismatic enough to pull it off. At that point you've got nine missions where the Sparda family agrees to put aside their feud and deal with the new king, with Nero knowing Vergil is his dad and having a chance to learn about and interact with him from thereon, with Vergil getting a chance to demonstrate the beginnings of some actual redemption. When the new threat is dealt with the fruit remains, Vergil tries to claim it, Dante decides he hasn't changed and must be put down, and Nero wants them to just stop; three-way boss fight where you can play as Dante, Nero, or Vergil, with the ending slightly changed (but still mostly the same, Dante and Vergil cutting down the tree leaving Nero to defend the human world) and the bonuses unlocked for beating it with each of them.

>We don't need to have Trish and Lady and so on in every game in the series if they're just going to "be there" rather than actually drive the plot, even Kyrie who is just a voice had more plot relevance in 5 than either of them.

Trish and Lady are both technically bosses you fight, so that kills your point right there, but Trish is also the one who throws Sparda to Dante, which lets V track it/give it to him to make Majin.

I'm sorry, but anyone who says Kyrie's one phone call off-screen makes her more relevant that Trish & Lady in 5 are straight-up just parroting what others have said or are shitposting.

>Trish and Lady are both technically bosses you fight, so that kills your point right there
Having them arbitrarily end up inside the bosses doesn't add anything to their plot relevance nor the bosses'. It's not like girls popping out of defeated bosses is some running theme in the game or requirement for them to function in the first place, it's just used for two bosses for no reason whatsoever. I mean does Lady even DO anything for the boss considering she's just a normal human, if capable one?

>unga bunga Goliath
>charisma

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>It's not like girls popping out of defeated bosses is some running theme in the game or requirement for them to function in the first place, it's just used for two bosses for no reason whatsoever.
That is quite literally what it says on the boss description for Cavaliere Angelo. Trish is the battery that allows for the demon to actually fuction. Same with Lady in Artemis.

>a fucking off-game description
Besides, it doesn't make the reason itself any less contrived. It's like the devs themselves completely forgot to give those two a role in the plot and realized their mistake only later with "uhhh... I know, we could always stick them inside bosses we already finished designing!" Like I said, Cavalier and Artemis without Trish or Lady wouldn't have changed shit.

Kyrie at least is slightly used as part of main protagonist Nero's character development in 5, whereas all Lady and Trish do is hang around because apparently we're contractually obliged to have them in the game despite adding nothing to it. It was the same in 4: Kyrie is a boring plank of a character but at least she was Nero's stake in the plot while Trish and Lady again just hanged around. They've been entirely reduced to fanservice characters that do nothing.

You could change Cavaliere Angelo's name to Alastor and just disregard putting Lady in Artemis and it would change absolutely nothing. Them being trapped inside them doesn't make them the actual bosses, it was just an excuse to get their tiddies out (not that I'm complaining).

Urizen being Vergil is fine
a simple change: Dante recognizes V immediately and is in on the whole resurrection stuff

>but millions died for it
it either makes Dante a questionable, grey character or you can just explain it by "I've been down there, seen some shit, need my brother to deal with it, for the greater good, now we fly away together, bb Nero"

for all this all they had to do is cut 2 seconds out of the game (when Dante tries to stop V from merging with Urizen)

that made no sense
>let's him walk up to a dying superpowered Vergil
>suddenly something clicks in his head
>tries to stop it, but not really
makes Dante seem incompetent and dumb
>now let's fight, meanwhile the city is still being raped
sloppy writing

They're more relevant in 4 than 5. In 4 Lady's the one who gives Dante the job and gets him involved in Fortuna in the first place, and Trish goes ahead and does recon which is how Dante knows exactly who to shoot in the head and where to go as soon as he gets there.

>makes Dante seem incompetent and dumb

Remember when Itsuno was quoted as saying that he was inspired by the Avengers movies? Well, if you look at the plot of DMC5, it's understandable how the game was influenced by those capeshit movies, as there are so many moments designed for the modern "hype reaction" generation that just doesn't make sense if you actually stop to think about them and, worse, often have dangerous implications for character morals.

Nero was the only one who understood that the Qlipoth was causing the demon and human worlds to become combined. He had to remind Dante and Vergil that this was happening. Perhaps Dante was also aware of this, but the fact that he chose to fight Vergil instead of telling him "Hey, let's seal the Qlipoth first, then we can fight to our heart's delight later on" makes his character morally questionable, as you wrote.

>since death of Mundus
Mundus isn't dead.

Dante has killed Vergil one and a half times before, one of those being because he had opened a portal to hell just like the Qliphoth was and the other time was when Vergil was a pawn of Mundus's
That's why he went for murdering Vergil to grab Yamato instead of talking things through

>Urizen's defeated
>Nero drags in a dying V
>Dante looks at him, "You showed up"
>"You got that right"
>V crawls to the corpse
>Nero tries to stop him
>"Nero, he's your father"
>Vergil reborn
>deadweight DT's out of sheer rage and confusion, tries to kill Vergil, gets shit on
>m20 is Dante vs Vergil
guess Nero getting his DT was more important

Finished the story last night. Here’s my questions; perhaps someone well-versed in the lore can explain
>where did V get the money to hire Dante/Lady/Trish if he was just born 2 days prior and had nothing?
>why did that *particular* instance of Dante getting stabbed by Rebellion trigger his Sin DT and not all the other ones? Because it was broken? Because he had Sparda on his back?
>why did Goliath recognize V before getting stabbed when Trish’s post-Cavaliere dialogue indicates that someone from the Underworld wouldn’t know V/Urizen?
>If V truly regretted when Vergil had done, why does he merge with Urizen and bring Vergil back instead of just passing on?
>Why is it that a dying Vergil splits into a healthy V/Urizen, but a dying V and dying Urizen merge to form a Vergil at the height of his power?
>Why does Vergil have a Sin DT suddenly.

The Vergil Urizen and SIN DT are easy ones because you just go "Fruit from Qlipoth"

>>where did V get the money to hire Dante/Lady/Trish if he was just born 2 days prior and had nothing?
Mugged and killed a guy

>>why did that *particular* instance of Dante getting stabbed by Rebellion trigger his Sin DT and not all the other ones? Because it was broken? Because he had Sparda on his back?
It fused with his own power and Sparda's power

>where did V get the money to hire Dante/Lady/Trish if he was just born 2 days prior and had nothing?
Sparda had money hidden in the old house
>why did that *particular* instance of Dante getting stabbed by Rebellion trigger his Sin DT and not all the other ones? Because it was broken? Because he had Sparda on his back?
Sparda was on his back, it was a self-inflicted wound, accepting his legacy
>why did Goliath recognize V before getting stabbed when Trish’s post-Cavaliere dialogue indicates that someone from the Underworld wouldn’t know V/Urizen?
sloppy writing
>If V truly regretted when Vergil had done, why does he merge with Urizen and bring Vergil back instead of just passing on?
he might want to repent
>Why is it that a dying Vergil splits into a healthy V/Urizen, but a dying V and dying Urizen merge to form a Vergil at the height of his power?
Urizen had the apple in him
>Why does Vergil have a Sin DT suddenly
the apple

>Perhaps Dante was also aware of this, but the fact that he chose to fight Vergil instead of telling him "Hey, let's seal the Qlipoth first, then we can fight to our heart's delight later on" makes his character morally questionable, as you wrote.
I thought Dante was trying to stop it by killing Vergil as means of dealing with the issue, considering latter's the whole reason for the tree popping up in the first place. People like to give Vergil all sorts of contrived excuses about how "he didn't mean wrong and just wanted to live" or "you can't pin Urizen's crimes on Vergil" and that "he only wanted to have a friendly sparring with Dante". As if. I think Vergil didn't really give a rat's ass about the civilians, considering he already attempted opening the gate to hell in 3. Letting V near Urizen could be chalked up as Dante being too trusting of Vergil's human side being genuinely good.

If anything it feels contrived that Nero managed to turn their heads around so easily. Dante was fully intent on killing his brother again, he would've killed Urizen at the beginning if he had the power, yet he just lets all of it go the moment Nero says
>killing ur family us bad, k
and for some reason Vergil also agrees on it. Then everyone (who is left alive) lives happily ever after.

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It felt very light compared to 3/4, like they barely scratched the surface. Literally everybody could have used more screen-time and the cutscenes needed for be way longer instead of 45 seconds long every time

Lets be real. Nothing will out-kino DMC3. 5 was good but flawed. I honestly think Itsuno was just so worried about making the game itself that he kinda forgot to expand upon it.

probably a budget issue in the sense that they had to get the core gameplay right first and foremost, make sure the scanned faces don't look retarded, new engine, characters and art style to ease the newfrens in, etc

story / cutscenes were probably not the main focus

this game is Capcom's "let's try this formula one last time" product

next one will get more money and they'll have less technical stuff to figure out

So it's just Vergil being a chuuni?

I really liked it as a longterm fan. But I've been mostly about that gameplay.

Honestly, if they took what they built for DMC5, and added new weapons for Dante, and some for Nero, and then gave us a new slew of enemies and shit like that I'd be on board for DMC6.

>Dante and Vergil haven't returned
>Nero hears about a guy that uses V's summons
>New enemy pops up simultaneously in hell and in earth
>Nero teams up with the new guy and you have to go after the new enemy on earth while Dante and Vergil go after him on hell
>You play as two characters as the same time

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it's basically guaranteed
>if 5 sells really well they'll just force Itsuno to do 6
>it it sells just fine, project gets a new lead, will be told to play it safe, just make 5.5
>5 flops, we have an acceptable happy ending anyway

A few lore questions if anyone can help:

So demons can't kill each other but someone who is at least part human can and that humanity also means they can die from a demon. Does that mean the key to killing a demon is the human soul or the concept of mortality/humanity? Is this what Agnus was probing Dante about before his death at why he was inferior?

Trish is able to kill demons despite being one. Did she gain some form of humanity at the end of the first DMC and I just forgot about it?

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>Dante and Vergil finally are bros again
Lame