Dwarf fortress being given to the normalfags

You have to be a special kind of autist to be mad about this

Base ASCII is Gregor tier though
Yeah DT is basically considered mandatory at this point. Lazy Newb Pack has a bunch of nifty features now which is nice. Helps to ease people into the autism.

Noone in this thread is mad though.

You can change it to ASCII or whatever you want.

Except if they get it and dont like it they'd just refund it.
Or they'd not buy it in the first place.
It's going to be overwhelmingly positive garentee unless some dumb real world drama happens.

they're going to buy it because of memes and then drop it because they don't understand the ui, or they follow a tutorial and make a working fort but have no initiative to do anything else so they get bored and quit.

>Available: time is subjective
k, well too many other games out there, that don't involve spending a day getting used to the shit presentation and user interface, for me to have bothered with it so far, but if that turns less-shit then I guess I'll help pay for this fat autist's helthcare

ASCII is shit and it's basically just a gatekeeping tradition of the hilariously autistic roguelike community, nobody sane really cares. DF is impenetrable to normalfags and graphics has nothing to do with it.

I can't wait for the reviews saying it's a knock off of Rimworld and terrible. I will be amused by the slapfights for at least a week.

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I don't really give a shit about Dwarf Fortress, but this dev deserves to get paid. Hard to fault him for selling out.

Z :^)

It could have been, with Z-Levels.

>Selling out
He's not. Development will continue as normal on the actual game. The only thing the steam version offers is the graphics and sounds designed by some community members and shit like built in Dwarf Therapist. also apparently it's to pay for some of his sick family members. But yeah Tarn deserves some payment for all the work he's done over the years. Shits a work of art.

Just how subjective is time though?

I have dorf fort but I could never get into it because there's too much to consume with the UI and customization options, so I might give this a shot even if it's not my kind of game
I hope the game is optimized a bit so it doesn't shred the CPU during generation and prolonged sessions, that would be nice too

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pseudo intellectuals btfo

>being given graphics
It's called a tileset, dumbass
They've existed for a while

In 2D top down games Z levels are a meme, and they wouldn't work with Rimworld. Dwarf Fortress oddly enough, was at its popularity peak before it added Z-levels.

No Z-levels:
>you can see your entire base on one screen
>the map matters, you have to build around the terrain and use the space well

Z Levels:
>the map is a clusterfuck, you have to constantly be scanning between z levels to see what's going on
>the terrain doesn't matter much, just build up or down

Dwarf Fortress with no Z levels: hugely popular. Popularity has been trending downwards since Z levels were added. Rimworld, no Z levels, makes many millions of dollars.

Z levels are one of the things gamers think they want, but they actually wouldn't make the game any more fun. No z levels plays better, looks better, and is more engaging.

autists can't into graphics, it's the same shit

holy shit, somebody that actually makes good points on Yea Forums.

Unless it comes with a tutorial I don't see this going well

Got fucked homosexuals your autistic game is getting simplified and you better fucking like it.

Is it actually being simplified? Or just a cutesy little tileset is being added?

Heh, never expected toady to be one of us, but release proves how much he hates "the liberal left" by quality

>muh secret club game

Epic Store btfo

Is mouse support going to be added? literally the 1 reason I don't play games like this is I hate that it only uses the keyboard

Having a good UI isn't casualizing it, it's giving it basic features.

OP is practically in tears with rage.

z-levels are shit because of presentation constraints and design mistakes. for the design, just don't make simply building up/down the best approach all the time.
for the presentation problem, I dunno. there must be some way to do it. works just fine in a game with a different perspective, like most obviously minecraft. has to be some artist out there who can figure out how to do it

thats not much money for two people
he needs more money to pay for his brothers cancer treatment
thats why he put it on steam

You've always been able to use the mouse, but only for certain actions. Adding mouse controls like you're probably hoping for would mean having to gut the game. It's got mouse support for everything a mouse would be useful for (which isn't much) already.

>graphic packs
no thanks im not an npc without imagination or spatial awareness.

lol casual

there's no way to make z-levels not awkward in a 2D game

VR with voxels
Large clipping sphere around your head so you can see directly inside structures just by moving your head close

>How do you feel about Dwarf Fortress being given graphics
finally, retards like me can fail at it, and feel even more simple minded.

Z Levels:

>Water pressure now makes sense
>You can now make pitfall traps with fucking alligators and shit
>elaborate halls that have multiple levels and are not just 1 person high

The problem isn't that there are or aren't multiple Z levels, it's just how they're presented.

what an actually cringy thing to say. this nerd really thinks he's better than someone else because he plays with ascii. imagine how boring and shitty his life is to actually consider that some sort of positive trait or accomplishment

>Can normies really not into ASCII?

Why would you if you don't absolutely have to? Are you some kind of autist faggot who shrinks at the slightest change?

DF was better without Z-levels though

There's an entire community of people like that and they amuse themselves by recreating the same generic fantasy (with le quirky fruits/fauna) over and over and over and over again
Actual roguelikes are a lot of fun but the community is unbearable

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I'm a normal fag and I think this is great.
The devs should get money for their hard work, and I get to play a game that everyone else has been talking about for a long time.
If I start to understand it with the graphics, then I can switch to the ascii art version.

Most of the sales will be from existing fans giving 20 bucks to the Toadies' brother's cancer meds fund, now with added workshop

bit defensive response from someone whos trying to talk me down. lol

Dwarf Fortress was always prime normalfag don't kid yourself.

>decide to finally learn DF
>make me first steps
>fuck around for an hour or something
>watch some tutorials
>suddently this gets annouced
It this a sign or something?

Just fine, to be honest. Really more for myself. I give about negative two fucks what normies do, but the design looks alright. As long as its the full DF experience, I'll buy it. Maybe it'll even get Steam Workshop support for different graphics packs and such.

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First graphics, then proper controls

Dwarf Fortress will finally be a good game

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yall niggas complain about everything.

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There are people out there for whom even installing a mod is considered highly complex

The controls are fine though

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While the graphics are nice, they're not necessary. Just get Dwarf Therapist and it's good to go.

zoom zoom

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>the creator sold out

So it finally happened, huh? He finally started selling Dwarf Fortress for cash? What's with the west and the pursuit of money?

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Fuck off Schlomo, you can still play the game for free.

I mostly agree with this. Still, I think Rimworld could be better with 2 additional, though limited, z-levels.
A Z+1 for scouting or defensive towers and additional rooms would be nice. It really doesn't make sense to have a totally flat base mid to late game.
A Z-1 for basements and trap rooms would be great.

They would both introduce new challenges as well. Basements and walls could be sapped by raiders.
Walls only built one z-level could be climbed if raiders brought ladders, though it would make them much more vulnerable during the assault.
There could also be build penalties to make them less easy to build. Basements could take quite a while to dig out and require supports to prevent collapses for instance.

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>What's with the west and the pursuit of money?
his brother having cancer might have something to do with him

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Never had issues with z levels
UI is fine
ACSII is easy to understand and makes it clear what an object is

These complains are and have always been nonsense to justify having zero attention span
If you don’t have the patience for a game like Sim City 4 then you won’t have it for DF
It’s not difficult but it is a slow building up sort of game, not an action packed theme park thrill ride

It'd be better for them to just donate the $20 directly, so they get a bigger cut.

No.
The game needs to change to suit me.
If i need to learn anything it's not a game, if it's not a game it's not fun, if it's not fun why bother at all?!

there's a patreon already, I forgot the wording but one of the reasons for this was problems with it
it's also going on itch.io I think but I don't know how much of a cut that takes

For the love of God, Montresor!

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learning IS fun, mindlessly playing games isn't. A game like Path of Exile isn't fun because of mapping is fun, but the thinking about how to abuse the interactions between your gear and skills is.

none afaik but nobody uses itch.io because its just a student project repository

It's for Zack cancer treatment so i'm fine with it, Frankly i expect a bunch of kiddies and memers to pick it up and drop it like a hot potato a few days later, but that's expected.

Toady is one of the very, VERY few people in the videogame industry I trust.

Thanks, these kind of tales are awesome. Wish I could run it.

No, they're objectively not.

I've literally never played Dwarf Fortress, but from what I've heard, I doubt a creator autistic enough to make a game like Dwarf Fortress for decades (a lot of it without pay, I think) is going to bend to the will of anyone.

Excuse me?
You can run it on a damn 30 year old netbook.
If you have a pisspoor cpu you can just limit the population and play on a slightly smaller map

Aurora, Dominions, Lifeweb to name a few.

they should call it ass-cii, because it looks like shit from a butt

And to think it all could have been avoided by walling up the stairway up as soon as the squad left to kill the forgotten beast

at worst, normalfags will give him money and then not play the game when they realize what it is

ASCII isn't hard to deal with and you aren't smarter for using it, it is just shit to look at in a game as complex as DF and makes everything more tedious. It's perfectly fine for most roguelikes, for example.

For one money is almost literally essential to live, especially as a game developer.

At the time when the comic was made that would have worked.
Sadly no longer since all forgotten beasts can destroy buildings and walls, destruction time depending on material and quality of the building

I'm taking a shit right now and that made me chuckle enough for a little extra piss to come out

No, he said they are fine atm. he put it in steam in case things get worse for them.

Really? I'm playing 44.12 and didn't know they could destroy walls.

Is it some form of autism that ASCII appeals to? I'm talking about unironic, atypical neurology

Yes they are, the UI even tells you what every button does.

dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Building_destroyer

lists the creatures that can destroy buildings, maybe spoilers?

>Gregor tier
It says "EGREGORE" you moron.

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>bad Opinions the post.

Rimworld is a dumbed down, casual version of Dorf Fort. I don't mind Rimworld, but it's very hollow compared to Dorf fort in literally every way. Even all the mods in the world on Rimworld is barely half the game that Dorf Fort is.

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This is the absolute worst fucking taste i've seen on Yea Forums all year so far. Great job.

Dorf will NEVER be normie friendly regardless of graphics, interface, or any other qol

Its not just bad, its one of the single worse UIs of all time. Get the fuck over it this is the most common complaint about DF and the reason it never went big.

It's going to have a graphics option for people that don't want the ASCII though.

I've always wanted to give Dwarf Fortress a shot, but it always seemed too intimidating.

I got a girlfriend and a job so I don't really have enough spare time to learn what all those finny-looking letters mean just to waste time playing a video game.

The fact that it has something resembling graphics kind of perks my interest. Shame they went pixelshit instead of 3D.

Think they may include PvP or co-op multiplayer anytime soon?

Tile sets are already unethical, anything more is just not Dwarf Fortress. If you can't see through the ASCII and observe a vivid, living world in your brain, your IQ is too low for this game.

just kidding, looking forward to it

that doesn't sound true to me. at its core what it really needs is better dwarf management tools, and some improvements to controls like designating things and certain menu hierarchies could be better.
ADOM is a good example of a great UI that still manages to be text based, though. it's inherently a game that demands simpler options though since you control a single character

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add proper gui and then we'll talk

Finally someone says this. Imagine being proud of having such intese autism that moving @ symbols makes for great storytelling.

what

I honestly think the bar will still be set too high for the vast majority of people.

in other words they aren't fine

Ascii autists get really upset at tile graphics supplanting their imagined interpretation of a vague ascii symbol. The roguelike community makes me think of one of those deaf communities where they only want to be with other deaf people because they all understand each other, to the extent of turning down corrective surgery

yeah, walls aren't buildings. it means like, doors, workshops, etc

Weird, people with 3 digits of IQ manage without any difficulty.

Nothing destroys constructed walls.

>Dwarf Fortress and Halo announcement in the same week
No matter how many "exclusives" Epic Games boast, Steam will continue to blow them out every month. Can't outsell the Newell.

whoa this is for real. This is kinda surreal. I don't actively follow development, I've would have never expected this at least until the next 5 years. Are they going to fix the fucked up UI with this release?

The lack of actual graphics was always inexcusable, even a more simplistic game with very basic artwork managed to sell like hotcakes (rimworld), you'd have to be an idiot not to realize how many people would want to play AND pay for your game.

nuclear take:
70% of dwarf fortress's supposed difficulty is UI navigation and memorizing ASCII abstraction

No retard, It's literally being given a graphics engine with sprites.
>inb4 that's already a thing
Custom sprites. As in different hair colour and equipment.

co-op doesnt seem feasible with how the tick system works. turn based PvP however...

>Toady has been gaining more and more total donations every year
>a commercially released game sold at full price makes millions of dollars
fasntnig

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Yup, it's too easy actually.

Sauce?

I've played dorf fortress for years. no one but the absolute most gentoo of users actually used the standard ascii tileset. personally I can't wait for the steam version, the new tileset makes me moist and it's a great chance for toady's game

I will be finally able to play this shit

This

I am perfectly fine with ASCII "art"
I dislike when people put graphics above gameplay to a point where they wouldn't play a game because the graphics weren't good enough.
I absolutely LOATHE "people" who think that having better graphics makes a game worse, disregarding the gameplay.

Problem is not art but UI tho.

No you won't. If you were too retarded to get into it with Dwarf Therapist you'll still be too retarded to get into it with the Steam version.

I've dabbled with Dwarf Fortress in the past, and I still have versions of it from 2012 and 2015, but I never got very far. If I decide to play it again, should I get a newer version, or stick with the old versions I have?

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Not really controversial, most DF players would agree.

Rimworld is a casual baby tier DF.

The UI is actually laid out very logically and somewhat intuitively once you understand how all the different layers of entities in the game interact. It is only daunting at first but becomes second nature later.

cool
i wonder when cdda will be on steam now

LAND OF THE FREE

>normalfag
>normies
God damn make up your mind

Don't you mean whats with america and its lack of healthcare

Some people like to eat and have some place to live. It's fucking crazy. Can you imagine, people not wanting bread lines? Fuck, wow. I hear a few backwards nations in the east do this too. Fucking Japan and Korea man.

I mean the game is about dwarves making a goddamn mine. How is that possible if you can't mine down?

It's so logical and intuitive that you can see which elements were were added at different times and even which ones were ad hoc. I honestly don't understand why people have a problem with the interface.

[Shiden Akira] Jittokko Park

Nigger quit it with that retarded bullshit.

Not until they fix their pajeet coding

Good opportunity for me to finally play it. Plus I get to feel good about helping out the autism community.

>Can normies really not into ASCII?
every streamer I know uses 2d anyway,

Normalfag is the original word, normie is the bastardized politically correct version used by redditors, which is ironic that a normalfag would want to use the term to begin with but needs it more normalized before he would use it.

>wanting more money than what you currently have means you are not fine

Yeah thanks for telling me what I already know

Thanks user

A few thousand (maybe several thousand) people will buy it and play for ten minutes and after not knowing how to give commands will quit anf never touch it again.

co op fortress management could be pretty cool, have one person handle construction while another handles industry

Either that or trade between two fortresses across the region or try and destroy the other fortress

My mistake, I see the OP used both, I did not notice that, I thought you were merely asking about the term.

what's that beautiful fucking tileset?

Sweet finally some real graphics. Only turbo autists played that ascii shit.

Almost like you need money to provide shelter and food huh weird.

Custom for the Steam release, it's probably made by the Kitfox people since they're publishing it.

>graphics
based, i can finally pick it up again

This.

i agree, but i do appreciate the amount of fun that can be had by water plus gravity plus inattentiveness

haha nice
HD REMASTER

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Pay my bills you bigot

unironically this, df should've been a 3d game

What happened with Dominions?

If you mean the one on the steam page, I think its a custom one made for the steam release. I dont know why people are upset that free games that make money off donations are coming to steam. TOME4 did it and buying it simply gives you the donator bonus pack while the game still remained free, all while those who got it on steam got access to the workshop. If normies even fuck with it I would think it would be relatively short lived.

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I dont get the argument that the ascii graphics suck. theyre extremely detailed for just being bunch of characters. you get complex environments and bloodspatters and weather effects. its very sophisticated.

hot

ASCII is an aesthetic just like any other tileset imo. No one should act superior for their preferences and we should be glad we have choices.

Yeah because this board got flooded with normalfags years ago

The only thing I can say I like about this is everything to do with the game, and nothing to do with the steam forums. Dwarfs having their sprite updated based on what they have equipped is literally the biggest thing I've ever wanted. I'm also glad that people who are truly passionate about the game and have always been true community members are working on it.

I just wish there were an alpha because I really want to try it.

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but the no1 argument against ascii I see here is that it's more confusing than having a tileset. I feel it's the opposite. If I see a crude tile icon of an animal I always need to hover over it to check what it is. the ascii is much more clear in that sense since it presents you tangible information right in the visuals themselves.

Honestly I feel like it's how you do the enhanced edition of a game. You release the fancy new version, while still giving your audience the option to experience it as it was before.

At the end of the day the version you love is still there and, let's be real here, you won't be interacting with the people you deem to be normies anyway. Unless you're miffed about normies playing it at all, then your unhappiness is your own fault for being such a sperg.

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Anyone want to post a screenshot of the ASCII graphics? i want to see what they look like.

Here ya go. Sorry if it isn't big enough.

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why is there a black bar covering the popsicle

>What is Lazy Newb Pack

Does it use multi thread/multicore yet?
I can play the shitty ass AAA games while renderin lumion 8 but i can't get 100 cats on one game of dwarf fortress

>Does it use multi thread/multicore yet?
never ever

good

ty user

there's nothing to be threaded, every entity requires a consistent game state

This.

You can still achieve all the things you would normally get from z levels, like ditches/water pressure/traps without actually adding in a z level players can move between.

Its fucking annoying to be honest.

threads can share the game state tho?

3000$ a month is plenty of money to live off of. especially since it's entirely from online, you could just live somewhere where cost of rent is low and still be making the same amount.

gatekeeping is good

Z > flat

samefag

you're not wrong but even a casual baby tier DF has a lot going for it. i don't have the time for DF unless i end up immobile in a hospital bed with a nice laptop

just get LNP, comes with mouse support via dfhack module

Z > flat

Cancer treatment can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars even with insurance. Hell I knew a guy who slipped a disk in his back and he needed $15,000 worth of shots every month just for that.

seething brainlet

the presentation is fine, this thread is just full of brainlets that can't vizualize a measly few dozen z levels at once

it already has a good reputation, so redditors will pretend to like it. unless the steam release is a buggy mess (very unlikely) it will get positive reviews.

>This will get mostly negative user reviews.
I doubt many will dare. Steam is like Yea Forums and Reddit in that everybody desperately wants to appear elitist and highbrow, so even people who hate it will praise it.

i don't think you get it really

lots of people like to rage at DF for "not being multithreaded", but no other actual working games have multithreaded entity processing (that's the slow part of DF) because that's inherently bottlenecked by synchronization problems. it's inherently serial, parallelizing it just introduces complexity (bugs) and overhead.

>>you can see your entire base on one screen
>>the map matters, you have to build around the terrain and use the space well
Both of these are true with z levels.
>Z levels are one of the things gamers think they want, but they actually wouldn't make the game any more fun.
It literally and figuratively adds depth to the game, what is wrong with you?

>Dwarf Fortress oddly enough, was at its popularity peak before it added Z-levels.
Wrong.

>NOOOOOOO MY AUTISM SIMULATOR IS OPEN TO ATTACK BY NORMAL PEOPLE NOOOOO IVE BEEN BETRAYED

>mount and blade 2 coming soon
This is true suffering

I can finally play it.

Who gives a shit? If they find it fun, good for them, they have a new favorite game

Is this just graphic tileset or an actual GUI implementation?

No, the true suffering is that it'll be an Epic exclusive

why does this even matter to you, does it make your pee-pee get hard thinking that it makes you a true epic style gamer because you play the game?

So what "premium features" will the steam version have? Just a tileset and music?
Still going to buy it to record my hours though

yes

muh sekrit gaem

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Just a tileset, don't think Toady has any intention to work on the UI

I recognize that fort!

>It's going to be overwhelmingly positive garentee unless some dumb real world drama happens.
This.
All the reviews will just be variations
>dude. its dwarf fortress. on steam. DWARF FORTRESS ON STEAM SO EPIC LOLLLLL NEED I SAY MORE BROS
>1000000000% of people found this review helpful
>20fucktillion people found this review funny

Noctis IV on Steam when?

Noctis V when?

it seems that while the visuals are better, the input method is still mostly the same.

Anyone expecting rimworld with dwarfs will be disappointed.

What's the point of playing on Steam if it probably doesn't even have Dwarf Therapist

WHAT DO YOU EVEN DO IN THIS MEME GAME?

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Poodiepeepee will make his own version of Boatmurdered for clicks, cue casuals rushing to buy the game and never even running it once. The perfect crime.

it actually will be, that's why it's being delayed, the game was ""finished"" ages ago

Awkward.

Why are people upset about this

have fun?

muh sekret club, I mean game

Ascii is annoying as hell, but I can tolerate it. What I really need is a real UI. Give me that and I'm in.

Shitty tilesets for ascii games have existed for longer than Dwarf Fortress has. Why would anyone be upset about this.

I do this and all I fucking do is make custom races and civs. My current goal is make a Gensokyo simulator.

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Indifferent, I love the game, I will continue playing the latest ASCII version for free. If I was rich, I would have donated to Toady. If he has to make some more money, more power to him, his health is more important than SEKRIT KLOB retards.

But it already has a real UI. It's like the faggots complaining about the game never actually played it.

He can potentially make a lot of good money with it, entitled nerds can go eat shit.

>haha bro yeah using arrow keys to select from hundreds of options is fun haha what are you a noob

I dont really mind normies and you would be autistic to actually defend the original dwarf fortress art style.
if only CDDA could get this kind of visual facelift

>coming soon

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Sorry kid, the sekrit klub is over. One less nerd cred point for you.

That's not what you do tho. DF barely controls differently from any roguelike

>Quzilax

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Valve takes a large cut of the profits. If you cared about supporting Toady you could simply make a donation and play the game for free.
Meph is an actual, veritable scumbag who steals community mods for his mod package which he shills for patreon bucks.
Also the tileset looks like garbage. Mike Mayday is apparently creating it but his original tilesets are the best in any version of the game.

>3000$ a month is plenty of money to live off of.
its enough to live off frugally
it's not enough to save for emergencies

>Normies
Go back

>Valve takes a large cut of the profits. If you cared about supporting Toady you could simply make a donation and play the game for free.
You could, but more people are likely to purchase a copy of the game than flat out donate. They're also putting it on itch.io and you can control the cut that gets taken there.

Stop living in San Fran

$3000 is completely enough to save for emergencies if you don't live in some shitty megacity like nyc or sfo.

Dwarf Fortress has been for the normalfags ever since captnduck's tutorials and Mayday's tileset.

Anyone who actually cared about him was already doing that, this is trying to cash in on impulse buyers and people who never buy anything unless it's on Steam. Expect at least one person to buy it so he can idle for 5k hours just so he can have 5k hours of dwarf fortress on his profile.

Boomer, the post: the movie: the videogame

>7/10

Are you retards using normalfag wrong, or do you really think that Stacies and Chads actually meet up and play Dorf Fort

clearly you have no idea how much cancer treatment costs in the land of the free

Never played the game before but I thought it already had graphic UIs. Maybe they werent official?

Well obviously. That's not really shitting on 'most people', that's just pointing out that DF is way, way, way, way more complicated and a different beast entirely than most games. Any ultra-niche game is too much for the vast majority. Combine that with a steep learning curve just to do the set of basic actions (and why) and of course most people won't get into it.

DF has never been made "for everyone".

Insurance exists, you know? Not everybody is stupid enough to pay $24K outright for a fifteen minute ambulance ride or whatever.

>ultra-niche game
DF is not an ultra-niche game

You could have avoided this, why didn't you donate?

hey dont argue with me, that's the reason they gave, I'm not American I don't have to pay for healthcare

DF basics are easy as shit. Whatch on of the billion tutorials and read the geting started stuff on the wiki and you're set.

It's not even hard to learn unless you're too retarded to find the entire column that tells you what each button does. You know, like all the retards who false flag about the game not having a UI.

>getting insurance when he already has cancer
Good luck with that

>2019
>still living in America

New Kruggsmash video out

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Nobody cares about r*dditsmash

who cares fag, stop acting like a literal child who just had his mom share their favorite toy with your neighbor

>made a thread about this incoming dwarf fortress hours ago
>thread died
>someone made a similar thread
>250+ posts
Sometimes I just realize that I'm useless and there's nothing I can do about it

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What are you good at, user?

How do I stop making commieblock forts?

Normies don't have big enough attention span to go to the website and donate

youtube.com/watch?v=dwLCjZVEtpE

>hear this
>think of that one MMD video of a pink-haired futanari girl violently and stealthily beating her meat under the table, only to make a nasty mess all over the floor and get caught by the schoolgirls sitting behind her
Thank you Pavlov.

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What are the best mods for this game?

>using mods
Cringe

The one where you edit the the init.txt file to have "[FULLFONT:curses_square_16x16.png]" instead of whatever the default is.

I suppose if you put it that way.
What I mean is this:
Lonely shut-in beta virgins who lack skill, play games casually for escapism, and think of autism as a bad thing, have been part of Dwarf Fortress's audience ever since captnduck's tutorials and Mayday's tileset.

>literally write in your own code for sex organs
>have full control of the character
>”IT WAS NOT MY FAULT IT WAS MY CHARACTERS!!!”
uh-huh, yeah right.

This game ruined my life, I lost an entire year in it when I was at university and missed most of my classes. I'd have a 1st class degree if not for those fucking dwarfs.

Who would play this it"s so ugly

Maybe virgin neck beards

why do you fucking spastics insist that all these normalfags are going to flood in to BUY a game that's been free for over a decade just because of a tileset, similar to one they could have played with before?
DF isn't as obscure as you think it is, it's just notorious for being convoluted. Anybody that knows about DF knows about tilesets and how hard they make autists screech
You somehow theorize that there will be enough people who actually buy this and DON'T immediately refund it to SUDDENLY sway the development of it. Which is fucking stupid to think.
I know a lot of you motherfuckers are just a bunch of larping ass gatekeeping posers too, so don't start thinking like your opinion even matters either. prior to this announcement the number of DF threads on Yea Forums per year were in the single digits.
These threads are literally just manufactured outrage. Fuck off.

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this

Learn some responsibility

Dwarf Therapist runs independently from Dwarf Fortress so you should still be able to use it. Just have to download it separately

>normalfags
Have sex

>Inb4 VAC ban due to using third-party software for directly manipulating DF

nice projection autist

daily reminder that tarn added tranny dwarves and told all right wingers and reactionaries to fuck off and never play his game

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>he thinks an indie single player game from 2002 is vac (VALVE anti-cheat) protected

What an absolute legend

This guy is right. Z-levels are a pain in the ass and mean you can't see the map on a single screen. It would work if there was some sort of visibility system so you could see everything many z-levels down if it's only air in-between, but the current implementation is cancer.

damn, that's pretty based

He didn't have his scholar responsibility toggled on.

now you can make tranny militia and send them in first
based

dwarf fartress has always been a reddit tier game

Based for realism - being locked up in a mine for months on end would lead to mental illness.

inb4 mixed reviews

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you're a reddit tier poster you fucking faggot

Because they're normalfags themselves who want to feel special for playing what's one of the most popular ASCII games in the world and don't know how much attention it got some years ago.

I always thought tilesets aren't that helpful for people who can't comprehend the visuals anyway.
There is still gonna be a lot of puke on screen and you'll have to examine the tiles to see what they are.

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This guy get it.
It's just insecure neckbeards thinking they won't be so special anymore just because they're playing DF.
Get a fucking reality check

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I mean, it makes me a bit more curious to try it now that I don’t have to learn how to read Matrix code

you never had to
tiles were always there
stupid fuck

Why is that dwarf brown?

tanned on patrol duty

"Forge tan" is a thing you know.

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Maybe if DF stopped development and rimworld got a few decades of updates

Everyone knows DF is the normal mode, Masterwork DF is for 195 IQ chads

Reminder that DF was always meant to have graphics from the start and that ASCII has always been just a placeholder.

>bloatwork
nah

>tfw played ASCII for so fucking long I can't play it in any other way

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DT no longer works on newer systems due to it's architecture. Dwarfhack now has some similar features to DT but not all.

Prove it.

Same.
I really don't think tilesets are bad, there's no reasons to NOT visually enhance your experience, but I'm so used to ascii that the game with a tileset just look fucking weird to me

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If this is the chase i will report Taleworlds to the Turkish government as being kurdish nationalists.

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Reminder that your mother was always meant to accomodate black dick and that white dick has always been just a placeholder.

then there's this guy.

man, I understand that the drawing quality has to be low since he pumps a fuckload of them per video, but they look like total dogshit

if you achieve your goal please let us know.
godspeed user

>Dwarf fortress being given to the normalfags
Is this some long con April Dumbass prank?

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>by the same guy who made mega milk
I knew something felt overly familiar

Yea honestly that's probably what annoyed me more than anything at the start.
is this arrow keys? is it uhjk? oh no its +-*/ randomly instead. do i use Q to check this? oh no this specific thing shows up on K instead. some things are arbitrarily stockpiles, others zones, others designations. then defining a burrow is separate again.
I think clearing up this kind of shit is the most important thing for usability even before gfx but toady would be so used to the existing controls he'd never want to do it.
Having said all that I'm super stoked to have a clean proper gfx engine for modders to hook into. Even the best tilesets look pretty hodge-podge

last time i played you could still use DT you just had to find updated definitions for the new versions from github. that was a year or two ago though

There's a few good, full games on itch.io, but they're probably not up to Yea Forums's speed. To name a few, HEARTBEAT, GLITCHED (not yet released, shit.), and Baba Is You to name a few, but you can get all of those on steam, so no one's really going to buy them through itch unless they actually care about the pay cut.

Shit, did I really say to name a few twice? I must be more tired than I thought.

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I kept putting off playing this shit, how do graphics make the game more normalfag friendly?

Tried it for the first time yesterday. Is there anyway to make your "X" cursor faster by default? As a learning player it fucks me up way too hard.

Currently, I've made amanojaku, yamabiko fairies, kappa, rabbits and oni. For whatever fucking reason, the fairies are hyper-aggressive little shits that genocide the kappa and start race wars against everyone else while spreading everywhere like a plague despite them being the weakest and the smallest.

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ascii scares the normalfags obviously

if you hold shift it skips across several tiles at a time

Dont really care
It's time the game get a bit of sunlight exposure, it deserve it
I hope they dont butcher the gameplay, I wouldnt mind DF with grafix

Itch has a custom rev share the developer can set, from 100/0 to 0/100.
The admin is kind of a faglord though so I'd only buy it from there if it was 100/0

Awesome. I'll give it another shot when I get home.

So it's just a bunch of symbols instead of actual sprites? What's the issue? Why are fags here getting up in arms about this when it's apperantly still there but optional?

They want to feel special and are under the delusion that DF is an obscure game.

>sold out
motherfucker, cancer is wrecking his brother, the guy needs money ASAP as mutt's medical system is an absolute joke

>HEARTBEAT
Gameplay seems aight but the art looks like some gay furry shit, and there's probably too much story that the dev cares about more than anyone who plays his game.
Baba Is You looks cool though.

>sold out
>still a free version of the game
Why does Yea Forums feel the need to be mad at everything, or outright make up shit to be mad about?

I've talked with the main dev a bit. Legit, plenty of HEARTBEAT's story was made when she was playing THUG Pro. She's pretty laid back, cool to talk to. It's pretty gay, but never in an in your face way, and never a plot point iirc.

Noli cedere, user

i really want to try this game but it will still be a while
what games are similar to this?
i played RImworld years ago, i dont know how much have changed

>lmao who cares the guy needs money for his brother with cancer, I want to gatekeep muh obscure indie

Oh it's a female? Then the gay is okay. (Or to be specific, the femininity it oozes.)
I'm sure she's a nice person, but as an old man it's hard for me to get into these tumblr-age art styles and all, hope you understand.

Nah, it'll just not sell much.

Yeah, don't worry yourself about it. Can't blame you for it, right? Keep it real, my man.

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You can't just post all that and not link it, user.

pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5b0c9c2d6fcfe

>he actually delivered
>2 hours after the original post but replying within a few minutes
Fucking legend

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It feels like a sellout of sorts, but remember the tileset is optional and you can still play ASCII.

Fuck it has been two hours. MM3077 is also super dead, so don't expect anything new from him ever again.

>Imagine a gender change operation, but run by dorves
I can't even imagine the pain

cause they are Bill and Louis from L4D

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How much do the dorfs from DF differ from the stereotypical dorf "lore"?

Not hugely. It's every other race that does.

>It's every other race that does.
Could you elaborate?

they're mentally fragile

You sound like you are angry because you don't know that you can start and end staircase build orders on different z levels.

The women have beards.

it's not beard, it's ~fluff~

They're planning multi-tile sprites too

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Elves are somewhere between stereotype tree-hugging hippie and TES bosmer: Lives in trees, never cuts them down, uses wood everything 'gifted' from trees (inc. weapons and armor). They are cannibals with no qualms eating sapients and ride any sort of animal you could conceive into battle. Even some of the mythical ones. This more than makes up for the wooden swords.

Goblins are bastards who thrive on every sort of vice and depravity, and routinely kidnap children to... raise them normally and treat them like another member of their chaotic society. They build huge towers over pits filled with evil beasties, and usually serve a demon lord when the average peasant hasn't come down with a bout of megalomania and started plotting to take over a nearby kingdom.

Kobolds are ugly rat men who are quite literally unintelligible and thrive on stealing shit to get by, because they cannot into civilization. At all. They live in caves with their ill-gotten gains strewn around while muttering their subhuman babble and planning another great heist to steal another great artifact... or just the nearest dog leather thong.

Humans are normal humans and legitimately the only decent source of civilization in adventure mode.

>and routinely kidnap children to... raise them normally and treat them like another member of their chaotic society
this concerns me and leads me into doubt

>Can normies really not into ASCII?
I can't. I tried NetHack and DCSS without tilesets and I just couldn't get into them properly. Tilesets make all the difference in the world to me.

i want to try to get into dwarf fortress, any good entry points/tips?
Should i buy the steam version or try out the original?
How do I even run the original?

when i tried df it was way to overwhelming and too much of s hassle to learn

>start adventure mode as human
>beat the ever-living fuck out of first dorf I see with blunt object
>close the game and never play it again
I give this game 5.5 out of 10, it has interesting combat, but way too easy, I mean, the manlet wasn't even fighting back

Please jesus add mouse support. Just this one thing.

I've barely even touched fortress mode. I followed a tutorial for a few hours and got a working fort, but I've mainly played adventure mode. I have some fond memories like swimming up rivers to depopulate them of fish, smashing a hippo with a bronze mace and seeing all his teeth scatter out instantly, charging at a bandit while we are on a ledge so he dodges off the ledge breaking his legs, finding a mummy in a crypt and finding out he can raise everything in the room and murderfuck me, getting hopelessly trapped in a cave because climbing hadn't been invented, stumbling upon an onyx pillar full of baddies and letting them kill me because the only other option is to starve, freezing in the river a few too many times because there is no in-between for warm water and ice cube, recruiting people just to make them swim in a river and drown so I can take their shit without it being murder, chopping off a goblin's limbs so I can stab his toes for practice without him killing me, shooting a flying thing in the wing and looking on with glee to see all the nasty stuff the fall did to him, jumping off big ledges to see if I survive the fall, searching hopelessly for the thing that guy wanted me to kill, sneak up on an el goblino camp only for a lucking wartface to shoot me in the heart while I spend the next 3 turns dying, getting the muscles in my leg severed so I have to crawl to town to buy a crutch, reset a few too many times because my arm gets chopped off by a bronze halberd, swimming to the edge of the world, getting in the darnest poses with the grappling system like grappling his foot with my foot and his head with the same leg's thigh, jumping into dirty ponds and drinking the moisture on my clothes as a filter, drinking blood off my weapons, starting fires and try to get them to fall in them, luring enemies who can't swim into fast moving rivers, swimming into a sewer drain to fight the frog people..

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Steam isn't for another couple months. Might as well try before you buy.
The original is just an .exe like any other, but you can crack open the files to mess with shit really easily.
I recommend you start with ASCII instead of a tileset. Not because of any elitism, but legitimately because the characters have meaning in context while graphics packs portray the most common context. There's less misinformation. Don't go the text line aspect ratio, though. That's the biggest reason ASCII is a turnoff.
Do instead. He wasn't joking, that shit is mandatory.

alright thanks!
ill look up the site and such
do you recommend starting adventure mode first or dwarf castle?

Fortress, easy.
Adventure mode is good to pick through your own ruins.

>couple months
he still needs to finish the villains update, do bugfix releases and only then he'll start working on the steam and graphics stuff
it's gonna take a while

I just cant believe the number of brainlets itt that are actually using "you can't see the whole map" as a reason why z-levels are bad. I couldnt imagine being so retarded I couldnt visualize my entire base in 3d in my mind.

'Some months' in his own words.
Knowing tarn, that could be anywhere between 2 and 36.

Wait what. Does the object still only occupy 1 tile?

>popularity has been trending downwards since Z levels were added
you're literally making things up

That's because they cant appreciate the idea of making a 300m high waterfall cavern entrance to a fortress that not only gives happy thoughts, but acts as a fully automated bathing system and child purging system

I doubt Toady will change core gameplay just for sprites.

How do i approach this genre and how do i recommend it? I want to get into it and bought Rimworld, also have a chad friend who i'm 100% sure will like this, should i download DF free and add some graphics pack?

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Why the fuck are people upset over a game getting basic graphics?

Would optional 3D view be good addition?

What did you expect from DF fans?

It exists already, its called Stone sense. Just make sure you have a fuck-load of ram.

autism/elitism

It's about fucking time the dev got paid for all the hard work he put into this game, and if a graphical overhaul gets rid of one of the biggest barriers to people being interested in buying it, all power to him.

Besides, there's really no reason it SHOULDN'T get one. Nobody is gonna sit around and claim ASCII is better then a 2D Tileset. Having it in native instead of having to install one yourself is kinda long overdue.

It's not about visualizing, it's about being literally unable to see your base. If you've got activity that needs attention on z level 0 and z level -10, how do you manage that without it being a pain in the ass?

Game has two methods:
There are hotkeys for cameras so you can jump to common areas of interest like dining halls or the front gate.
The other is announcements let you jump to the action taking place.

theres literally nothing new about this other than letting you spend money on it via steam rather than donations

Fuckload as in 16 or 128 gigs?

Anyone that pays for digital distribution is a normalfag

I have 32gb in my machine and I'm more than capable of getting stone-sense to use over 25gb of ram with a large enough fort and a high enough update tick on stone-sense.

just rawdog DF, it's not difficult to figure out.

Is this game a relevant rpg experience if im not interested in colony management anymore?

It has a roguelike adventure mode, it's pretty fun and unique but barebones compared to fortress mode.

exactly this has been my thoughts for a long time. Would also be a fix for growing trees inside again.

Is it just me or is Dwarf Fortress problematic? Why do they make it so difficult for goblins to immigrate? Why are the dwarves to intolerant of market recommendations from the elves?

REEEEE SOMETHING THAT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING

>the new york times wrote an article about dwarf fortress in 2011

you’v been a normal fag for almost a decade fag

Just when i thought Yea Forumstards couldn't be more pathetic

>Available: time is subjective

Rimworld is better as a game with solid progression and an endgame. Dwarf Fortress is infinitely better as a sandbox where you can fuck around making all kinds of autistic contraptions and see all the insane storylines the game cooks up. DF also has far more replay ability as well imo.

>it was all because of height as a feature
Stop. there have been mods available for dorf forf that allowed you to render things in 3d so you could visualize the map. honestly you just get used to seeing things in 1 z-level at a time. the only times you never get used to it are when flying creatures show up or you made the mistake of making a spiral staircase mining shaft and now something big and hairy is coming upstairs to fuck you in the ass.

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>why would anyone build a two story house it's impossible to know what's on the second floor

i like it, i can now more easily offer up my friends as SLAVES to armok

this is literally the only reason rimworld got any traction compared to dorf. the fact that there is no need to imagine shit or trying to identify different creatures from one another in the middle of a highly active area. everything is made clear.

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id say for a game like dwarf fortress it definitely works and you have a point though, its still kinda difficult to understand what is going on with ascii however and annoying to scroll between levels, aside from that i agree

oh so trying to help his brother who has cancer is apparently selling out?

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I'm not paying extra taxes so some fat fuck can stuff his face and then get medical care for free.

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So it's literally the exact same thing as DF with graphics? Same key commands and everything?

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>I'm not paying extra taxes so some fat fuck can stuff his face and then get medical care for free
>wtf why is this guy trying to make money so he can afford medical care

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can i regrow my foreskin? i got fucking jewed without my consent

the "graphics" aren't even that much better than the best texture packs anyway, people who are going to buy it just because of this are just retarded

So I've heard, ASCII mode is also available, this just has custom texture pack and custom music

Got some more user?

Try out Eratohok and Eratw

It's the same game, any improvements they add will be in the free version too, the only difference is that the premium version has the tileset, workshop and new audio.

>Like mining, smithing and drinking
They are the stereotypical dorf

>I WANT MY STUFF FOR FREE WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
fuck off welfare parasite. fucking nigger.

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They tried being peaceful with goblins, but after a few forts are ruined you wise up.

And Elves are hippie fuckbois, fuck them.

That was a hard fap.

And then there's Odd Realms

>Aurora
explain

This post upsets most of Yea Forums, so it's probably right.

I don't see what's wrong with that.
You can still keep playing the classic version while everyone enjoys the advantage of an actual art-style and coherent sprites.

I pirate all my games and have a better rig than you, u mad? Yeah u mad. :^)

>sell woefully incomplete game on steam
How is this out of the ordinary exactly?

I find sprites harder to understand since they don't convey as much direct info and I don't need them to visualize what's going on. They don't make the game easier though so I don't really give a fuck if more options are available for people.

So you act like even more of a nigger and are proud of that?

>being this mad

2 cat

>given to the normalfags

If they even give it a try, they'll drop it the moment they hit an obstacle, which will be immediately

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>being this proud of acting like a nigger
Die poorfag.

>Lifeweb
Wahhhh I can't rape kids anymore Wahhh

NO NO NO NOT OUR SECRET CLUB NOOO!!

The worst reviews are the fucking tick boxes

Looks good, I'll pick up a copy.

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This. It's been that way since Dark Souls PC. Fantastic game but got the mainstream appeal for all the wrong reasons (which influenced and spoiled the sequels)

Yes. There's probably better ways of doing it over others, but you just find something to pull that sucker back over your head and you should get some skin back. Don't expect to see results like PURE HOODED COCK GODS, but you'll at least make able to start getting feeling back in your glands in about six months.

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Try two studded rods. You end up looking like a long necked Bane, but it works wonders. Don't sleep with it on.

>Rimworld is better as a game with solid progression and an endgame.
No it isn't, there's more progression in Slaves to Armok II: Dwarf Fortress than in most games ever made. An endgame could be determined by your progression. Rimworld is not a better game in any significant way, you're just too lazy to read DF's interface. Fuck you, you disingenuous piece of shit.

>I have dorf fort but I could never get into it because there's too much to consume with the UI and customization option
There isn't, you're just too lazy and retarded to actually read that interface at all. It also has one of the most comprehensive wikis I've ever seen, and youtube is bursting with tutorials if you're too stupid to read text.

>duh tu LAY-Z tu read da literally the MATRIX on a screen
no1 wants to be that autistic

>In 2D top down games Z levels are a meme
Not in settlement building games. The only meme here is you defending your cheap knockoff with nothing but bullshit.

9/10

beautiful

Well, they do have a mildly successful patreon, but I hope they find success on steam. They're committed to continue giving the base game away for free and they're just selling a tileset.

rimjobworld

It's too late user, I'm casual as fuck and I'm gonna get all my normie friends to play it. Soon, all the chads will be talking about "Dee Eff" while they slay pussy and drink PBR. And after we're done with it, the hipsters and middle schoolers will get ahold of it. Literal faggots will be shitting up your fun little game while that smug negro anchor on the Today show does a piece on it, making it more popular with Mexicans and Asians. The Chinese will eventually get on board and bastardize the entire concept, producing Gamestop tshirts for IPA drinking soys to wear unironically while they smarmily chuckle about you and your actual nerd friends vainly protesting about how great it used to be before bioware casualized it all. In two years time, it will all be dead and you'll have to satisfy yourself playing with whatever turds are left over in the sandbox.

nice rp lol, but df is far too nebulous and difficult for that to be even remotely possible.

Good. I can't wait for the autists who actually play this 'game' to start screaming about normalfags.

the day dev dies the game gets finished

It's fucking text, every screen states clearly what it does and what keys it uses, you're just too stupid and lazy to do that. There are also dozens of tilesets and QoL mods packed together for your kind of people.

It isn't, it's just that most people see a command line and panic the fuck out for some reason. Everything is properly labeled and the only thing that might be a bit confusing is building your military, but it's not impenetrable.

>its enough to live off frugally
???

I make 3400 a month. I live on my own in an upscale, downtown apartment, I’m paying for college out of pocket and I still make plenty of free spending money

this commercial version doesnt solve the biggest issue df has which is the ui
and the massive amounts of micromanagement for jobs and etc but thats not really issue if you cant get past ui

also a future steam release for us :) feels good to be this kind of people

2 words: aquifers.

That's nice, more people should experience it and Toady and his brother deserve whatever success comes from it even if they're weirdos.

What's actually wrong with the UI?

>Soon, all the chads will be talking about "Dee Eff" while they slay pussy and drink PBR.
>Chad playing dwarf fortress ever
They'd just play Rimworld you dumb nigger.

the lack of it?
the list of buttons you click on with your mouse cursor.

>game gets actual graphics and becomes an actual videogame
>HURR DURR NORMALFAGS
fucking kys retarded trash

the POWER and creativity z-levels bring into the game ... whoa ... a water stair ...

it has a general on /vg/

>salty rimworld fag
Look, I love rimworld, but Z-levels might have stopped it from being killbox: the game.
>b-but small groups of units can deep strike
Straight into fucking melee hordes backed up by gunners, yes.

i've got hundreds of hours in df, friend. i should've said rimworld has a more focused endgame, which is why i think it works better as a game with more focused progression. My point was that rimworld has a clear objective (escape the planet) which can be completed and that you work towards the entire game. DF is much more of a sandbox where you set your own goal to progress towards, and there is no ending to a df game. So when I say there's no endgame, I mean that the game isn't giving you any goals for the endgame (not that's necessarily a bad thing). Even something like taking all the candy and colonizing the circus isn't something the game pushes you to do, unlike rimworld where you have a clear achievable objective. honestly rimworld and df are very different games in their goals and how they fulfill them, and rimworld is certainly more "gamey" than the simulationist df.

>Dorf Fags
Imagine being proud about spending 20 minutes reading a wiki page so you can do a very basic task.

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Thank god. Bring it on.

>Dwarf is taken by a fey mood

>needing twenty minutes to read about how to press two keys to make a 6x6 plumphelm square
Literal retards need not apply.

half of the fun is learning how to play your first time by just fucking around in the game.

>Half the fun
I guess the rest of the game is only half as fun

You can still rape kids if you roll pedophile vice, although you can only get it if you choose random vice.

>implying

user I've been playing for years and still have never breached an aquifer

NEED DECENT TILESET THAT LETS ME KNOW WHAT EVERYTHING IS WITHOUT RUINING THE FLAVOR OF DWARF FORTRESS

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Rimworld has an endgame only because it has a fucking goal. The entire point of Dwarf Fortress is that there is no goal. It would be trivial to just add a checklist to complete before you could “Retire” a fort as the new Mountainhome or something. Rimworld endgame is literally waiting as your ship builds and/or building enough jump pods to stagger jump your way to the fucking crashed ship, but NOBODY goes to the crashed ship aside from maybe small world shitters because it’s much easier to just use the killbox you already HAVE rather than launching over enough material for a new one.

that's my point? I'm not saying rimworld is a better overall experience than dwarf fortress, but as a game with a concrete begging > midgame > endgame > finish progression rimworld is better. this entire conversation was spawned because one guy at the top of the thread said rimworld was better than df, and i agreed that as a focused experience rimworld is better, but otherwise dwarf fort is far superior.

Dwarf Fortress will be complete soon if you are looking at it from the perspective of a ten thousand year old vampire

>halo as a game with concrete shooting mechanics is a better shooting experience than DF

>normies
>normalfags
You have to be over 18 to post here.

>the map is a clusterfuck, you have to constantly be scanning between z levels to see what's going on
If you set up your hotkeys properly this is literally not a problem. You're never more than 5 < or >'s away from a given level. Not to mention it's satisfying to have a 3-d image of your fortress in your head, knowing where things are in relation to each other.
>>the terrain doesn't matter much, just build up or down
This stems from it taking the exact same time to go up 1 z-level as it does to go over one tile. It could easily be changed to take 5x as long, making building outward (and around terrain) more attractive. Also, all stone types take about the same time to mine through. Maybe mining times should be exaggerated based on the rock's solid density. You'd be incentivised to mine around denser rock like calcite. My point is that this isn't an argument against z-levels at all.

Shut up newfag

I disagree even on that, because Rimworld is going to fall into routine long before DF because of the ease of making a base impervious to all raid types and events. The endgame, for example, is probably going to play out exactly like the midgame minus a month of raids that your killbox will sort out. Rimworld is at its peak early game, before you’ve coalesced your defenses and supplies, after your first year or two you’re basically impervious minus particularly shit event overlaps like toxic fallout nuclear winter long duration at the tail end of a winter.

I don't know why everyone is agreeing with this post.
Z-levels are great and extremely intuitive.

youtube.com/watch?v=eTeQJOC1H38&t
Is this worth following for someone who's never played this shit before?

Kruggsmash is very good

didn't realize halo is a top down management game with similar mechanics and inspired by dwarf fortress and often brought up alongside dwarf fortress. now that i know this i can't wait to buy and play the Master Chief Collection™ on Steam ©. thank you user.

>The endgame, for example, is probably going to play out exactly like the midgame minus a month of raids that your killbox will sort out
I don't disagree with on you this, but I've found unless you're doing a super hostile embark (necro tower, evil biome e.g) it's easier to make your base completely unassailable in df than it is in rimworld. But I'm probably just dogshit at rimworld desu.

Intelligently mapping the mouse controls wouldn't be so bad.
Right-clicking on a carpenter's workshop gives a list of things to build, for example, basically the Q key, but it pulls the menu next to the mouse cursor rather than leaving it on the side tab
Unfortunately, UI testing is a big deal that almost requires a committee of game testers/psychologists/designers to build for something of this scope

How do I feel about this? Fucking smug and vindicated. I always said this was the right thing to do, and got told to fuck off by the DF community for it.

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I already do, I just love DF and think the few 2hu mods that exist should just have the goddamn races and none of the goddamn yukkuris in them.

The utter lad. Based and dwarfpilled

anyone getting mad at DF being on steam needs to leave Yea Forums and get therapy

normalfags will get btfo and it'll probably have a mixed rating because of this and that's fine

DF is not supposed to be a super accessible game and I hope it's advertised as being harder than learning assembly programming

>doesn't have a real job
>can't afford things
>reeee 'merica