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Heroes also had soul despite the terrible gameplay. Shadow was the start of the soul decline

>Shadow was the start of the soul decline
I dunno 06 had a shit ton of soul even though it was garbage you could really tell they wanted to make something special.

youtube.com/watch?v=YuFsiD8B7tI

>having flickies makes the game tedius
>playing the no-flickies hack makes the game too easy and boring, because it was designed as a collectathon
This seems like game that needs a hack made of it the most.
Make the jump platforming easier and create more linear level design, and could be solid

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Mania had soul tho

Unleashed had soul despite being pretty mediocre. Colors and generations were okay but had no soul.

But how did he know it wasn’t the real emerald?

Because you just told me fuckboy

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Deems Bristow >>> Mike Pollock
Deem had so much more range. RIP

Nah, the soul died with the Dreamcast
>but muh genesis aesthetic
Hereos was literally developed for people who had never played a Sonic game before in mind. It marks the first of many splinters in the fanbase.

He saw 8 readings on his radar, he mentions this in a cutscene

>tfw have SA '98, SA PAL and SA2 JP on the Dreamcast to replay
This party's getting crazy. But first, finishing RE3.

No the splinter was 100% adventure 2. When it came out on GC, it was millions of people’s first sonic game, the birth of the modernnigger. They thought that was what sonic should be like, wheras anyone who owned it on the dreamcast probably played the genesis games or at least adventure 1. Also heroes had an amazing art style, the levels still look goof today

The endless bodies of water in Seaside Hill crept me out as a kid and still do to an extent. Had nightmares of getting lost on those islands once.

If it was designed to be people's first Sonic game, then what a terrible way to start. A forced 4 playthroughs just to beat the game, probably some of the most fucked collision detection and controls I've ever seen in a Sonic game and plenty of levels that teeter on the 10 minute mark. If you wanna introduce someone to Sonic it should be through the original genesis trilogy, adventure duology or Mania even. I wouldn't even call Heroes the worst, but I guess I'm just getting tired of people suddenly calling it the best out of nowhere, are they just parroting what Premydaremy says?

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>They thought that was what sonic should be like,
Adventure 2 was no different than any sonic game before it only difference is they were finally able to animate cutscenes. The original team always wanted sonic to be a shounen anime tier . The idea that Sa2 is somehow guilty of ruining the series because Shadow and 06 exist shows your underage,

I had this with heroes a lot as well. The backgrounds had this impossibly large quality to them, and it was surreal and scary. I remember that giant, endless casino city miles below freaking me out, but I also thought it was cool as fuck

It’s funny because they easily could’ve explained the eighth reading as the Master Emerald because at that point Rouge had already lost to Knuckles.

But of course, Tails being Tails, fucked it up for everyone. Even Sonic realizes this and goes “yo Tails what the fuck”

THOSE BLACK CREATURES MEAN BUSINESS

I meant gameplay wise, in which it’s barely even similar to SA1. And I don’t care about the “intent” which you can’t prove, the genesis games were obviously narratively completely different from the adventure ones

>And I don’t care about the “intent” which you can’t prove
Sonic CD. S3&K.

How in the fuck did they have a story anything like SA? Honestly megaspergs are such an issue with sonic discussion, I mean what the fuck am I meant to say when you hold such a retarded position? How in the fuck do those games present a story like SA?

>I meant gameplay wise, in which it’s barely even similar to SA1.
The gameplay in Sa2 is exactly the same as Sa1 they just nerfed the spindash because it was broken.
>the genesis games were obviously narratively completely different from the adventure ones
They really weren't much different
>Eggman has an over the top idea to take over the world with a new character joining the cast that ends up helping you and joining the main group of friends in the end.
The only difference is they pushed it into overdrive with the cheesy anime cutscenes and setpieces to take advantage of the new hardware.

Based schizo poster.

i think it will still be shit

No, seriously, explain your retarded fucking opinion

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Spindash nerf is pretty significant, and you are ignoring that the level design is completely different, far more linear, way more reliance on set pieces. Mech gameplay was new and made up a fucking third of the game too
>they really weren’t much different
No, explain this. Explain how a game with no cutscenes or dialogue is the same as one with various character threads and plot threads
>the only difference is
Nope. Dialogue, cutscenes, much darker tone, more complication, if you argue it’s the same when there has been a debate over the genesis story style versus adventure style in the fan base for literal years you are simply a delusional autist

What? There are tons of interviews of Sonic Team, mainly Iizuka and Yūji Naka explaining why they went with the direction they did with the 3D games. They wanted a more grand presentation and scale that was limited on old hardware. Adventure 2 is literally Naka’s favorite 3D Sonic game

>Spindash nerf is pretty significant, and you are ignoring that the level design is completely different, far more linear, way more reliance on set pieces. Mech gameplay was new and made up a fucking third of the game too
I thought we were just talking about gaemplay? The level design was fine linear does not equal bad and the ranking system works perfectly with it.
>Nope. Dialogue, cutscenes, much darker tone, more complication
Dialogue,cutscenes, and complication is all due to an upgrade in hardware making it possible and in no way makes it different from the genesis games story wise, hell S3&K has a more complex story than most of the 3D games nowadays. Dunno if you were alive back then but a AAA game needed to have these especially a series like sonic that was always trying to be cutting edge and show off the power of its console.
>much darker tone
This is so fucking overblown only one cutscene in the entire game could be defined as "dark" 99% of the story is just a cheesy action movie.

The only real difference is the focus on side characters.
Sonic's involvement in the plot of every single game is "Woah Eggman's up to no good, better stop him" with no need for additional character motivation or development.
That's been a constant for the whole series, they just added more on top of it.

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Unleashed was soulful as fuck though

t. 20 years old

This happened

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>t. 20 years old
No more like someone that has actually played the series since the genesis days . So many underage faggots are trying to revise history despite never being a fan of or playing the series

Why did they never revisit or expand upon this idea?

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>When it came out on GC, it was millions of people’s first sonic game, the birth of the modernnigger.
This people always forget the sonic autism started with Adventure 2 Battle on the GC. it was never "sonic autism" it was nintendo autism latching onto sonic

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Sonic "autism" started with SatAm and the archie shit from the 90s

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This is a fan comic dumbass
Speaking of comics, no, they're what kicked off a lot of the autism

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If Sonic never changed, why didn't the early Sonic games involve
>guns/firearms
>the military
>a weapon capable of destroying a planet
>Shadow
>a dark tone
Adventure 2 is even pretty different from the first Adventure. Adventure generally had a pretty light tone.

Friendly Reminder all new "3D" Sonic games are going to be made with Lost World engine unless they scape it, and make a new one instead.

youtube.com/watch?v=mpL4thGEV6A

Enjoy your gutted Adventure "Remake".

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They lost the source code for Chao. It was going to be included in Sonic '06 but they couldn't port it over.

I would say Colors still had a bit of soul in it

>sonic turned to shit when it became 3D xD le hot take
Anyone else sick of this shit? Sonic went to shit because the devs learned they could shit anything out and it would still sell, and thus stopped caring, not because 3D is magically hard for only sonic to transition too

I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT

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>Fans highly requested it
>needed recyclable enemies for both Hero and Dark story
>Death Egg
>Metal Sonic
>CD's bad futures
ezpz

>guns/firearms
Eggman always had machines with firearms
>the military
Limited by hardware
>a weapon capable of destroying a planet
Did you even play the classics? The fucking death eggs exists.
>Shadow
Dunno what this means Shadow is no different than Knuckles or Tails every game introduced new characters
>a dark tone
It was any darker than S3&K besides the Gerald diary cutscene

Wasn't any darker *

I loved this game and I don't know why

Sonic Adventure 2 is bad

>1/3 of the game is somewhat enjoyable while all the others are painful slog of clunky and boring game design.

>Sonic/Shadow stages are very scripted and have little to no interesting branch of pathways that gives the levels more freedom and by exploring you'll find cool little goodies.

>A story that has no fucking idea where it's going. Also blaintly trying so hard to be SUPER SERIOUS and NO CHILD FRIENDLY.

>Tails/Eggman stages are a waterdown Gamma, you just do the same shit over and over again with dull as fuck level design and a forgettable OST.

>Final boss fight is fucking disappointing.

>Knuckles/Rouge stages are both awful and a massive downgrade compared to SA1.

>Chao Garden is OVERRATED. Stop asking for these garbage ass chao gardens!

>alternate timeline where Sonic Adventure is just 20 Sonic stages but you can play as Tails or Knuckles in them to reach certain shortcuts
>is the Super Mario 64 of Sonic games and is truly an advancement for 3D platformers

>we live in the timeline where Sonic Adventure was a complete fucking mess and permanently damaged Sonic forever, had literally no impact on gaming history whatsoever

youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7-ixllcgo

>we live in the timeline where Sonic Adventure was a complete fucking mess and permanently damaged Sonic forever, had literally no impact on gaming history whatsoever
Hello underage

You give Sonic Team way too much credit
Sonic Team is just hilariously incompetent

The transition to 3D was hard for almost everyone. Remember Megaman X7 (even Legends had severe weaknesses)? The early 3D Castlevanias? It's just that Sonic never found its footing but kept trying, whereas a lot of franchises either kept 2D gameplay with 3D graphics or died out.

>Sega NEVER released a stand-alone Chao game
IT'S FREE MONEY
AND
YET
THEY
REFUSE

Sonic's formula falls apart with something as simple as the addition of water. Why do you think they never tried ice physics like every other platformer?
So yes, faithfully transitioning the formula to a whole new axis is incredibly hard.

>Sonic's formula falls apart with something as simple as the addition of water
It doesn't though Sonic has some of the best water levels in any platformer

What's even the point without an actual game behind it to provide ways for money and chaos drives/animals?
Would just be an endless grind imo.

>Why do you think they never tried ice physics like every other platformer?
Sonic Heroes

>Lost World engine
you mean Forces Engine

>Colors had no soul
>every zone has its own themed egg pawns (that also goof around on map screens)
>Eggman's pa announcements both in-game and on the world map
>each zone's theme has multiple remixes to emulate Sonic 3K's Act1/2 music
>level environments are arguably the most creative in the series
>can screw around on the results screen for 1-ups
>brought back Super Sonic as an unlockable
>final color blaster
What the hell do you people even consider "soul" at this point.

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I'm not saying they should release CHAO GARDEN: STANDALONE EDITION, I'm saying they should build upon its concept and make a fully fledged standalone game. Maybe it could have minigames, pedometer rewards, etc. Realistically it'd be on cell phone and monetized to hell and back, maybe even gacha, so I guess this idea is 99% guaranteed to be monkey-pawed into shit.

Oh yeah everyone adores Labyrinth Zone, the only level that actually forces you to go into the water
There's totally not a reason every subsequent water level uses the water as a punishment for failing platforming sections

I see what you did there and I liked it

Remember, it's sonic fan law to hate Colors and Gens now.

aquarium park

You're in luck because there was a director's cut hack made by the game's original designer

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1241378226

I'm talking about the classic games' formula and transitioning it to 3D ya dingus

>Hydrocity mostly in water still fun
>Tidal tempest mostly in water still fun
>Water Palace 50/50 water still fun
>aquarium park almost 100% still fun

Hydrocity and Aquarium Park are good water levels
Shame because those two are among my favorite ones

I remember stopping at the start of Planet Wisp act 1 just so i could run around in the small bit of grass at the start
If any of you guys have never done this, you can't call Colors Wii your favorite sonic game

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Unleashed. Generations had soul but was severely unfinished.

>you can't call Colors Wii your favorite sonic game
You shouldn't be proud of your shit taste

Not Snoyc Team.

>you know, i had an awesome dream like this once
HOLD THE FUCK UP

I'm just saying you can't, it's not mine
Colors DS is my favorite

It is my favorite Sonic game and I definitely have done that

>Adventure 2 was no different than any sonic game before it
Idiot

Agreed. All the characters are fun to play as even if some stages are more fun than others.

>The original team always wanted sonic to be a shounen anime tier
Not really. Sonic Adventure was a purposeful change from the genesis-era because the project
1) initially started as a Sonic-themed rpg
2) was designed to be more popular with Japanese audiences

Best sonic game for me

Ok you’re right but Unleashed still had more.

I guess that's true

DROPLETS

>you mean Forces Engine
Forces was built on top of Lost World's engine.

This but I'd say it's an 8/10 and one of my personal favorite games

No, Lost World was a separate project.

>No argument
kek

>a weapon capable of destroying a planet
>Did you even play the classics? The fucking death eggs exists.
To be fair, it's never actually stated what the Death Egg even does. I think we see it reactivate a volcano, but that's it. Not really treated as a "planet destroying weapon", just a space station with a few defenses.

>it's never actually stated what the Death Egg even does
We saw what it could do in hidden palace zone when it instantly turns the level into hell

Yes. I said that.

Forces is essentially a romhack of Lost World. They didn't even re-implement the boost gameplay from Generations, they just reverse engineered it using Lost World's gameplay as a base.

source

i just played through sa2 again for the first time since i was a kid, actually. while it was a bit clunky and i died to some dumb glitches here and there, it was overall enjoyable.
worst sections were mechs due to that fucking high pitched buzz and how clunky they were to move. how did they fall so far from gamma? still a decent time, though. the final eggman mech stage is the shit.
rouge and knuckles stages were alright. anyone who says they took too long is fucking retarded, took like 3 minutes max on most levels excluding meteor herd and mad space. meteor herd as a level is rad as fuck, mad space is good but a bit wonky with gravity on some of the planets.
sonic and shadow levels were the height of the experience as expected but had their own problems, mostly with shit like wack detection. stuff like light speed dashing through only one ring, or clipping through rails. a blast for sure, though.
final story was pretty fun, save for having to go back and get the breathing apparatus for knuckles to make my life a bit easier. it was neat to bounce back and forth between characters.
chao garden was cool, don't need to mention that.
overall, it's a good game and people give it way too much shit, even if i prefer adventure. open your heart is still cooler than live and learn

Sorry I sped read your post. If we wanna go off Sonic Battle which I know invalidates the original argument it is capable of destroying star systems.

what did sonic mean when he said he died hard?
is he referencing bruce willis from die hard i don't get it, is shadow his hans gruber?

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i wish they put adventure and adv 2 on the ps4...

he takes big risks for fun

>we're here to deport your ass back over the wall
wow how did they get away with that?

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What do you guys think will come from the Sega partnership with Google on their new console?

The source is the game itself, you dope. The controls feel nothing like Generations and instead just feels like Lost World except without the run button.

Reminder that even Japanese's most Nip Sonic game still didn't get better reviews than all of the Classic games, with no comparison when combined. No matter what weebniggers say, American Sonic sold the most and appealed the most in America, by Americans, more than anything Adventure era ever did. 2 mil sales at best, on Nintendo, than all of the 6+ million with Sonic 2.

Even the fucking handheld Advance games did better as a whole than the Adventure era did in the long run.

>The controls feel nothing like Generations and instead just feels like Lost World except without the run button.
Not to mention the many reused assets and set pieces from Lost World
God Forces is fucking garbage

You can literally tell by playing both Lost World and Forces that they feel similar but one has the Boost copy pasted from Super Sonic, they even kept the same skydiving idle animation from Lost World

If Sega had any sense, they'd announce Mania 2: No Reused Zones Edition already.

Adventure 1 sold 4.5+ mil 2.5 mil of that being on the dreamcast alone

It's literally the Death Star with Eggman's face on it cmon now son. Even without explicitly stating so it's pretty obvious what it does, as if "Death" being in the name isn't a big enough clue.

>Friendly Reminder all new "3D" Sonic games are going to be made with Lost World engine unless they scape it, and make a new one instead.
I mean, it could happen. Sonic Team isn't Bethesda, they didn't seem to have an issue scrapping shit between Generations and Lost World. They could do the same between Forces and whatever project they have next.

Forces literally has a boss that reuses the "running around a tube" gimmick from Lost World.

>Even without explicitly stating so it's pretty obvious what it does
Which is?

Sonic 1 and 2 were both bundled with the Genesis at some point, not really a fair comparison

So, not the gameplay fags of Sonic. People that got into Sonic via story never palyed the fucking games. Archiefags keep crying Sally and all those other ocs weren't in the main games, to the point Amy and Sallyfags had a massive shitshow over that thanks to the crappy romance shit.

Sonic autism is literally rooted by lorefags. If you care about lore, you're part of the problem. The same shit is literally happening with Mario thanks to Odyssey, as I saw one sperg complaining that Wahluigi and Daisy aren't in Odyssey, and of course, he's a Modern Sonic fag.

Calm down. Mania Plus just came out last year.You'll get your Mania follow-up either at the end of this year or sometime in 2020.

We can only hope for saturday.

He means he's hard to kill
You serious right now?

>If you care about lore, you're part of the problem.
I don't think its black and white like that. Yes the archie fags are fucking retarded and have been a bane on the franchise for awhile but I don't think its wrong to want a decent story/ consistency from the series atleast in the mainline games.

>The same shit is literally happening with Mario thanks to Odyssey, as I saw one sperg complaining that Wahluigi and Daisy aren't in Odyssey, and of course, he's a Modern Sonic fag.
Ha. I saw that shit too.

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I dunno, cause death maybe?

I think I'm the user you're referring to and I wasn't even complaining about that, I just wanted other characters than just the usual to show up in a game for once (in fact I don't even like those two characters, I just like seeing ensemble casts). And I want introduced to Sonic through story either, never cared to read the comics and I care little about story in Mario and Sonic

Well like I actually had said, it's fine that they weren't there, I just think it would have been cool to see. That's just me though

>not because 3D is magically hard for only sonic to transition too
Not hard, but not easy. If it was easy, SA1/2 would have been flawless with no scripted shit, forced spectacle and no retarded fishing and mech shooting shit in the game about momentum and speedrunning.

> Sonic went to shit because the devs learned they could shit anything out and it would still sell
Sonic and the Secret Rings, Black Knight, Sonic 4, and Sonic Lost World says otherwise. Even Sonic Boom too. It's not them, it's retarded autistics clinging on Sonic's blue balls instead of making better content like the classic era fans did and stop supporting the trash SEGA kept shitting out.

>I don't think its wrong to want a decent story/ consistency from the series atleast in the mainline games
Not him but to continually ask for "decent story/consistency" from a series that has barely ever delivered on that front for around two decades now is just silly. I like decent world-building/narratives in games too, but I'm not dumb enough to actively turn to Sonic of all series for that kind of shit.

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>Literally call out 2 spinoffs as judgements of quality
Because classicfags didn't have things like Spinball, Labyrinth, R, Drift, Chaotix, Sky Patrol, and Tails' Adventure.

Fan comic.

b a s e d

The atrocious writing and fucked up physics negate all the enjoyable details of that game for me. I consider the DS version superior

To be fair, R and Tails Adventure weren't terrible. Chaotix also had a good aesthetic at the very least. but yeah.

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You never cease to surprise me Blue Hedgehog, I thought that capsule you were in exploded in space.

MarkeyJester is cool youtu.be/yRP2bfxAkrw

>Not him but to continually ask for "decent story/consistency" from a series that has barely ever delivered on that front for around two decades now is just silly. I like decent world-building/narratives in games too, but I'm not dumb enough to actively turn to Sonic of all series for that kind of shit.
Just because it has been shit for years doesn't mean we should accept it. That way of thinking is why this franchise has been garbage for nearly 20 years

>What the hell do you people even consider "soul" at this point.
Edgy shonen weebfag shit. This site is for nasty 30 year old loli loving nigger shit, why else would you think they'd like anything else? Even Yea Forums is falling for the east.

Maybe you should go back to wherever you came from then

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_hard_(phrase)

do you have more like this?

Sonic retro confirmed all of Forces is modded Lost World. There are literal videos revealing most of the animations from Lost World still exist in the fucking game. Animal capsules, Sonic's unused animations, etc.

And before you say it, the HE is NOT A FUCKING GAMEPLAY ENGINE. They didn't create the HE2 explictly for Forces, it was worked on during Lost World's development, used as a beta version for Mario and Sonic and the Rio Olmypic games, and the final version was used for Forces after one year of game dev time for Forces.

Yes.

Bros... why is retro down

only other one I have at the moment.

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>Just because it has been shit for years doesn't mean we should accept it
I'm not saying to accept it, I'm saying to go bark up another tree if you want decent writing in a videogame, and to stop encouraging Sonic Team to keep filling their games with needless narrative bs that they clearly can't deliver on. I mean, Forces is the the first time in years we got another Japanese-handled narrative and it stars Mephiles 2.0 as one of the main antagonists. They're a lost cause.

Still less than S2 retard.
If the user posted first can used SA1's console sells as an argument, so can I. "The Dreamcast alone" means first year sales, not total. 6 million was FIRST YEAR for Sonic 2.

Im not saying we need an amazing story just something on the same level as adventure 1 or 2 which isn't much to ask for.
>I mean, Forces is the the first time in years we got another Japanese-handled narrative and it stars Mephiles 2.0 as one of the main antagonists.
Don't disrespect Mephiles like that

>Still less than S2 retard.
>A game bundled with a console has higher sales than a game that wasn't
Can't tell if you are retarded or not.

Honestly another sales war is the last thing a Sonic thread needs.

BALDY MC NOSEHAIR
The only thing soulful about Colors is the setpiece design.
It's a crappy Mario Galaxy ripoff cashgrab that ruined Sonic's voice, personality, had terrible writing, added wisps which are shit utility wise, ruined the nice level design we got from Unleashed in order to make it more like Mario, and made Tails into the most annoying thing in the series.
And for the cherry on top, Cubot is also shit, Orbot was fine.

DS version was actually okay though.

I agree dunno why I even responded to him in the first place.

>Im not saying we need an amazing story just something on the same level as adventure 1 or 2 which isn't much to ask for.
It apparently is. Also raise your standards, friend.
>Don't disrespect Mephiles like that
Mephiles sucks shit. Infinite sucks shit. They both are shitty characters that suck shit. Who should be the main focus of our "Eggman finally conquers the world" plot? How about another anthro character that floats around and has an endless list of powers instead of, you know, Eggman.

You literally asked about "devs didn't care about quality yet fans still lapped it up", who the fuck played Spinbal, Labyrinth, R, Drift, Chaotix, fucking Sky Patrol, and Tail's Adventure? That's right, no one. Litearlly less than 1% of Sonicfags play those games, and I bet most of that percentage didn't even play it on native hardware, I sure as fuck didn't except for Spinball. And that's LONG before I even was old enough to actually buy it because I wanted it, my parents bought it because my older brother was the Sonicfag before I was born. But the people that bought Secret Rings and Black Knight, A, were storyfags, and B: didn't want Sonic to die when 06 happened. If those games flopped 100%, we would have NEVER got Kishimoto in the directors seat for Sonic Colors, which people praised over Unleashed just because the werehog was missing, despite all of the boost shit was worse gameplay than that of Sonic Rush, which WAS better but no one cared that much for it because it wasn't a console game. (Poor Blazefags)

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>Also raise your standards, friend.
First you tell me not to ask for much and now you are telling me to raise my standards? dunno man
>They both are shitty characters that suck shit. Who should be the main focus of our "Eggman finally conquers the world" plot? How about another anthro character that floats around and has an endless list of powers instead of, you know, Eggman.
I dunno I feel like have another antagonist in the story adds something special to the game when done correctly like GUN/Shadow in Sa2

>First you tell me not to ask for much
I didn't say that at all. I said to stop expecting Sonic Team to ever deliver on the story front and to put your attention elsewhere. You should also raise your standards because SA1 and 2 aren't very well-written.
>I dunno I feel like have another antagonist in the story adds something special to the game
Not when the game's central plot is "main antagonist of the series finally wins". At that point you'd think the main focus would be on said antagonist, not some new character who's so shit, people question if he's an intentional parody.

no, shadow is based and redpilled

I was a different user.
And if you legitimately think Colors is, in terms of gameplay, a massive step back from Unleashed's daytime stages you're fucking mad.
As someone who dislikes the pseudo-2D reliance that the series has had since Colors, I'd definitely put it above Rush or god fucking forbid Rush Adventure.

>and made Tails into the most annoying thing in the series
Sonic Team already made Tails a tablet-toting coward in Unleashed.

>I said to stop expecting Sonic Team to ever deliver on the story front and to put your attention elsewhere.
I gave up on this franchise as a whole years ago now I just watch and hope to be surprised haven't bought a game since generations.
>You should also raise your standards because SA1 and 2 aren't very well-written.
They were good enough for a Sonic game and made the game entertaining to playthrough
>Not when the game's central plot is "main antagonist of the series finally wins". At that point you'd think the main focus would be on said antagonist, not some new character who's so shit, people question if he's an intentional parody.
I completely agree Forces took an amazing concept and shit all over it.

*sip* They don't make 3d sonics like they used to...

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This actually happened

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I love it when people say sonic games shouldn't have this kind of story or that kind of story or any story at all because sonic team can't do it right. That logic could apply to the whole series. Why shouldn't the whole fuckin thing die?

>if you legitimately think Colors is, in terms of gameplay, a massive step back from Unleashed's daytime stages you're fucking mad
Not him, but I thought it was. But it was also a Wii game, so I never thought it would feature a perfect translation of Unleashed's daytime gameplay anyway, and I'm not sure why so many people act like it should have. At the very least I thought the boost gauge depleting faster/being harder to fill was an improvement.

>Why shouldn't the whole fuckin thing die?
If Sonic was any other series it WOULD already be dead. Autistic morons with no standards are the only reason it's still alive.

Official artist, non canon comic. Most official Sonic comic arts did these DeviantArt tier shit, it's like complaining artist for AAA companies drew porn before.

Stop giving bait attention.

>If Sonic was any other series it WOULD already be dead. Autistic morons with no standards are the only reason it's still alive.
That and people are constantly hoping for it to return to its former glory. Sonic as a franchise will never die even if Sega dies

Man, this really takes me back to when I did Chao breeding. Good times

>What you see is what you get. Just a guy who loves to have a Sonic Adventure to Battle.

Really Sega?

Unleashed has soul too though and it was also a mediocre game

Because programming functional momentum shouldn't be this fucking hard and I refuse to let Sonic Team rest until they get it right just once.
The story could be about Eggman getting prostate cancer for all I care. Here I'll even help, call the first stage Heinous Anus Zone. It doesn't fucking matter I just want player autonomy.

Honestly they had it right in Adventure 1 and 2. How is it that hard to replicate what was accomplished 2 decades ago?

You tell me when Sonic 4 happened.

>Faker?! I think YOU'RE the fake hedgehog around here. You comparing yourself to me? HA! You're not even good-
I'll make you eat those words!

Wasn't that Dimps being incompetent and using the Rush engine for it instead of making one that could replicate the Classics? Which is ironic considering they got the physics right for Classic Sonic in Generations 3DS?

>Wasn't that Dimps being incompetent and using the Rush engine for it instead of making one that could replicate the Classics?
Not them persay, SEGA forced them to do it. It was originally meant to be some one off mobile game that used the Rush engine, but some idiot at SEGA said make it a sequel to Sonic 3K instead.

The exact same shit could be said as to why the Sonic 1 port for GBA used the Advance engine instead of being a proper port, because SEGA don't keep old engines, they just rewrite over everything they make.

>Sonic Advance 3 was only 6 years from Sonic 4
>Sonic Rush Adventure was 3 years from Sonic 4
>DIMPS still managed to fuck it up

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Thank God the people they outsource Sonic games to don't do that shit. Then there would really be no hope for the franchise

This. Deem sounded so chilling and menacing. Perfect eggman voice.

Look who's stubborn and full of surprises!

Too bad it's all over. For you!

Whoa! My head's spinning!

What goes up must come down

MARRY ME OR DIE

This. Play SA1 and SA2 back to back, you'll quickly see which one is better.
Once the nostalgia for both games wore off for me overtime, it ended up being SA2 that I preferred more. I used to prefer SA1 more simply because I was more nostalgic for it, I loved the open world hubs and liked the overall look more. But gameplay wise its become clear to me over time that SA2 is just the far more polished and fun game.

In the Japanese version he said "Stubbornness is my saving grace!". That's why he calls Shadow stubborn in english dub Heroes -- they made a localization mistake.

The build up and the music for their fight was pretty cool.

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The beta branch latest update of Mania has been transferred to the final main branch. That means you can now download it normally.

Just posting, to remind you people about it. Also, you guys should check out Mushroom Hill hack for SADX.

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The problem is that they lucked out when creating the Unleashed engine.
Sonic Unleashed was made at the exact right time when Sega still had the talent onboard to create such a revolutionary engine, but now most of the guys who helped create the Hedgehog engine have been snatched up by other game companies, namely Nintendo.

So even if they try to create a new engine that will be better than the shit version of the Hedgehog engine they devolved to for Lost World, it'll still be inferior to the Generations and Unleashed Hedgehog engine i'd imagine.

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Master Emerald has a different energy signature.

I wish there was more mod support for new maps and music for this game.

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>another fucking moron who thinks the hedgehog engine has anything to do with gameplay

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It's getting there slowly, wouldn't be surprised if the next SAGE or hacking contest had some neat SA2 stuff

No one is talking about gameplay you illiterate faggot.

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the fuck did he do to his hand?

hopefully this means modding will be much easier, also means better performance so I'm happy.

I think that's liquid nitrogen, not sure though

He put his hand into sodium acetate trihydrate (hot ice) apparently.

Green Forest is the best sonic song and you wont convince me otherwise

Sonic fans will defend this

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>Made Tails into the most annoying thing in the series
So it kept him consistent then? What's the problem?

no they won't you dumbfuck
t.sonic fan

Tails had resolve pre-Unleashed and was willing to do shit without Sonic's help. He fucked up Eggman and got a Chaos Emerald from a whole city as a reward. It's the dumbest thing ever.

I did this exact same section and this didn't happen, he rolled off normally. Not sure if they patched it or this guy did a certain input or if it's just random or what.

youtu.be/UoE8xsBFyYg

I don't know what Sonic fans you're talking about but you obviously haven't met one that would

It's very picky about it, but it still happens. Classic Sonic in general is an anomaly of game programming in Forces.

The HE is not the gameplay engine. It's all Havok engine custom trailered for Sonic's boosting gameplay.

But you're right, because Sonic Team don't keep old builds of games and are too lazy to reverse engineer previous ones. They'd just have to try something else or admit defeat and let gaijins make Sonic games from now on.

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No one defends Forces retard

If that was liquid nitroden he'd be dead
This. Still retarded to do regardless.

It was patched. It was literally footage of the game in beta before it was fully released.

The weirdest part to me is he feels heavier but has a floatier jump but also less air control somehow
It's so bizarre and I never got used to it during the whole playthrough

>beta
Wasn't it like a few weeks before release?

I'm taking about the E3 build. That video was released when IGN showcased the pre released version used at E3.

sonic forces is 20 bucks now so i think ill get it. switch or ps4?

My thoughts, exactly. Not just theses, it also means that the mod loader FINALLY works like a charm for my end after some time since the launch of Plus DLC.

In fact, malicious coding ceasing away from the game was such a pleasant surprise for me, so much that it encourages me to go back at my own personal Mania's SFX overhaul pack mod and continue to work with it.

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>sonic forces is 20 bucks now so i think ill get it. switch or ps4?
Its not worth 20 bucks I got it for free and still felt ripped off.

well i pirated it too but i think its okay if you just wanna fast. i never got to play as shadow either

Yeah I guess but it still wasn't as bad as Colors, probably because he didn't get as much screentime. You're correct though the problem regarding Tails started in Unleashed.

In Colors Tails was at least ready to fight alongside Sonic right before the final boss, Sonic just shoved him out of it and turned it into a 1 on 1 showdown

That's not Unleashed.

People who barely sonic games are too afraid to have an opinion about the adventure games
>be me, replaying sa2 on steam
>random friend messages me "dude how can you play that game, its bad"
>"its very flawed but I enjoy like how they arranged the character physics, I wish recent platformers in general had handling as good as this. What do you dislike about it anyway? I love criticizing this game."
>"we all know why its bad"
>friend links projared's video
I'll never fit in no matter what I do, Im even an outcast in my escape hobby. I can't fucking win.

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If your friend lets ecelebs make his opinions for him then his opinion isn’t worth much

I totally get why someone wouldn’t like sa2, but he should at least play the game himself or hell, come up with his own thoughts.

Personally I find it a chore to play if the powerups aren’t already unlocked. If I have everything though then it’s a rush to blaze through levels. This is especially true for the mechs who move like ass without the hover.

Pretty sure most of most people’s fond memories of sa2 were made doing runs for emblems, a ranks or chao supplies. We just remember the story more.

I agree with you, it's flawed but fun. That's basically how I see most Sonic games

I asked some people who mod chao garden why we only see mods that add objects instead of changing the base map,
they said "the collision is ass" and "we don't know all the flags yet"

Call him a nigger for liking tranny Projared cosplaying as a fucking Sailor Moon girl.

Classicfags are the most pathetic aspect of the fanbase. They do not enrage, entertain or provoke thought. All I feel is the deepest sense of pity for a loser clinging to an era, of a mediocre franchise, that existed three decades ago.

(You)

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(You)

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DLC

What's this from?

???

I just like good gameplay I guess.
I like some of the newer Sonic games, I just don't love them like 2 and 3K which I feel are legitimately some of the greatest platformers ever made. I guess it's easy to be a little overly critical of the blue spiky faggot, but I just want what's best for him.

Forgot my pic

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pretty sure he's fishing

Reminder that boost killed this franchise,instead of fixing the problems with 06 and the adventure formula and redeeming 3D sonic they created a mobile game tier gameplay style and destroyed everything the franchise built to that point.

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Sonic Infinity. A postponed Boost styled engine made by Oben.

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You misstyped Adventurefags, user.

Thanks user, any download links for it around? I looked up Sonic Infinity and only found some shitty old 2d fangames

The speed of shadow is approximately the speed of light, he should be faster than sonic, who is speed of sound.
My immersion is broken and im disappointed.

Cancerous youtubers plaguing people's minds as usual i see. Just ignore them.

Here
youtube.com/watch?v=JHFxBpT-r7s

user your friend is a dumb nigger

Aw fuck yes, thanks a bunch user!

Yeah I know just felt like replying

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Boost was fine but has overstayed its course. Should have done something new after Generations.

Besides Boom I mean.

They did, but the execution was shoddy and no one bought it because it was exclusive to a dead console

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I think the Adventure games have some really shitty design choices and throwing a bunch of different play-styles into the same game is retarded. There's a lot of cool aspects about the games though so it's hard for me to say they're outright shit.

twitter.com/RubyEclipse/status/1105990377654226944

YOU ACTUALLY SAVED ME Y'KNOW

So now that Mania is objectively better than SA2, Can we finally get rid of that modern shit? It's not needed anymore.

Get rid of Shadow, Blaze, Silver, Big, Cream,etc. All of them. Get rid of the comics. Cancel Heroes & Unleashed HD. None of that shit matters.

WE GOIN CLASSIC BABY!

This falseflag is so blatant it hurts

Hahaha I honestly completely forgot lost world even existed

What a wet fart of a game

Stop giving him (You)s

he must have been so hungry he forgot his hesse image

Don't bring that up we will switch to falseflagging as a mariofag

The Mariofag wasn't the Heesefag. There's more than one falseflagger of anti modern era, don't think it's only one autist.

2006 had soul, but it's really hard to see behind all the bugs and ridiculous story.

It's funny, SA2 is littered with bugs and other shit yet it remains one of my favorite games to this day.
I still end up playing the multiplayer with my friends every New Years' Eve.

boost """games""" physics engine:
>locked down with no freedom to do anything the devs did not intend you to do
>he same level of depth as hallway endless runner mobile games
>can not platform in 3D whatsoever, so they shove 2D sections to take care of it while 3D is autopilot phone game
>all you do is dash left-right and jump/crouch to avoid obstacles
>sonic controls as if he was a 5000lb car
>no flexibility whatsoever, takes very long to turn
>jumping from an inclined plane does not give you signifficant height, feel locked down by the physics engine

Adventure physics engine:
>jump off inclined planes to gain incredible height proportional to speed buildup from spindash
>jump into walls to get insane vertical height
>precise, accurate platforming
>huge potential to have rooftop to rooftop platforming level designs

Make this become pasta adventurebros. We have to change the narrative. The facts are on our side. All these boostfags got is dumb reviews from youtubers taken out of context.

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Please no we don't need any more bait posts in these threads. Fighting retardation with retardation will get you nowhere

youtube.com/watch?v=qfwXoLQ5yJA
What do you think of this?

Btw could anyone tell me what genre of music this would be? I've had it stuck in my head for a while now and need more

I guess it's Metal or Heavy Metal?

boost gameplay is cancer

how is this bait?
the youtubers make reviews about the WHOLE GAME. they don't make it about the physics of the speed levels. Of course the level design left much to be desired, but that's fine. The (near) perfect engine is there, all we need is more levels.

I don't care if you:
>hate the mech levels
>hate treasure hunting
>hate the small amount of speed levels
>hate the camera
>hate the story
>hate yourself
>fuck trannies

My point is, the physics engine of Adventure is OBJECTIVELY BETTER TO THAT OF ANY 3D SONIC GAME OUT THERE. You have no way to refute this, so this is not bait. Fuck off.

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How badly will the current Sonic Team fuck up the Sonic Adventure remake?

Depends on if it's happening or not, I won't get my hopes up for it until it's actually confirmed

a little less hostility next time, perhaps? You make good points, but no need to be that touchy.

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>OBJECTIVELY BETTER TO THAT OF ANY 3D SONIC GAME OUT THERE.
Don't. Please don't. Adventureniggers are bad, but don't be that one to make them look worse.

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I agree with you but what does shitting up these threads with posts like that do?

Not bad, but why does Sonic swing so slowly on those poles?

It's how it moves in Unleashed/Gens

ok. show me an example of a physics engine in an official sonic boost game that is better than or equal to adventure's in terms of flexibility/freedom.

boostfags control the narrative. the big youtubers are boostfags. redditors are boostfags. they shout
>muh c0LoRs aNd GeNeRaTiOnS & uNLeAsHeD
as if they were any better, it's more of the same phone game "gameplay"

if we continue to not speak out and ridicule them for eating SHIT, we will never get SEGA to change their designs.

it's how you prevent white women from becoming coalburners. by publicly shunning the ones that end up killed and thrown in a dumpster for dating niggers.

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the game had not one but two of the best soundtracks in the entire sonic franchise.

>loved the original F-Zero
>start making a rip-off with 3D graphics
>never played the actual sequels
>eventually do so a few months later
>hate them
>people never talk about the original and only seem to love the sequels
>suddenly realize the importance of thinking before acting as I start working on another game

>boostfags control the narrative. the big youtubers are boostfags. redditors are boostfags. they shout
And you spamming sonic threads on Yea Forums is gonna change this how?

He wasn't even saying you were wrong, you just don't gotta be this autistic about it either. We know what you mean.

No way man, that's definitely not metal nor heavy metal, metal, rock, pop, jazz, country and punk I can distinguish, but when it goes electro I can't

Everyone always posts the pumping songs

What mellow Sonic music do you like

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hlyR9_sXiIY

Good thread bros

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None of them. Endless Possibility all the way. It is the only Sonic song.

Sea Bottom Segue
Based and Sonicpilled

All this modernfag cope. The classics were the only great sonic games, as soon as it went 3D the decline began.

I agree with you.

But while adventure 2 is a mixed bag I still like it.