STEAM GOOD

this except ironically
heil hitler

>List of quality games
What games?

I loath them both. I only really use GOG

>Halo is the new Ape Legends
>Valve drones think this will be the thing to save Steam from Epic Store

Yikes

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what even happened?

I'm not supporting Chink spyware you dipshit.

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1989 Tiananment Square

Have these threads made anyone else unreservedly despise the soulless bug menace?
I've had nothing but contempt for the mods and jannies even before they shamelessly revealed being paid off.

this

Zero proof, stay mad.

Yeah, I think people will stay mad at Epic.

The pathological obsession with EGS and love of Steam is fucking bizarre. Steam desperately needed competition, their terms were dogshit and it has badly stagnated and EGS seems basically fine.

And the people going "IF YOU DON'T AGREE THEN YOU'RE AN IDIOT/DON'T UNDERSTAND PC GAMING/NOT INVESTED ETC" is as obnoxious as fuck. No, I just have a different opinion - I'm willing to make a bet I've been PC gaming longer and have more games on Steam than anyone saying that.

Also, why aren't Steam exclusives as obnoxious as EGS exclusively? I don't see why it matters so much that Steam doesn't pay the developers/publishers while EGS does.

It was uncovered within days of it's launch(by reddit no less) and Epic basically confirms it when asked.

>People claim steam needed competition
>Epic comes along and does that
>REEEEEE NOT THAT KIND!! REEEEEEEEE!!
Ironically they are now cheering for Microsoft and Halo being on Steam. Why do you think Halo is on steam? Because Gabe is fighting exclusive wars with Epic. Without Epic, Halo would 100% be exclusive to the microsoft store.

Bunch of fucking retards.

>why aren't Steam exclusives as obnoxious as EGS exclusively
Because steam has market control and don't need to do that shit. They'll get obnoxious if they have too. You must have a short memory if you don't remember how a friends update came the moment discord took away from their community features.
Its a rumor based on nothing and the CEO denied it, retard.

>gamers are unpleasant aggressive assholes with hysteric requirements who should fuck off

Thanks Epic

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Learn to pirate, cucks.

How is something like GOG with more games, more market share and a better service than Epic not competition while Epic is? What does Epic do better other than stealing games from other stores with cancerous monopolistic exclusivity deals?

Microsoft + Steam

Having exclusives due to market control isn't any better.

Competition is good, but something is not good just because it exists. EGS is not bad for existing it's bad for using chink money to bribe its way onto the market, and also because even a modest amount of investigation shows that EGS is part of a larger industry plan to scale back the agency of the consumer because they don't like that their customers can tell them to fuck off on their own page. In fact, judged in a vacuum removed from Steam, EGS is a cancerous seller with a virulent anti-consumer ideology and the fact that faggots on here would advocate for it out of sheer boredom and contrarianism is embarrassing.

OPINIONS BAD

SHILLING GOOD

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>same strawmans and shitposts
>same exagerated posting style
It's literally the same insectoid, and he's definitely getting paid. Report and hide all of his threads

how does it feel to live as an insect? also, what's it like not having a soul? sorry for the questions, I'm just curious how a bugman operates and figured I'd ask one

Yeah, nah. Fuck epic and fuck niggers.

Do you not realize just how huge Halo is and was?

this, if I'm going to support spyware I'll only support American and Japanese spyware

Jokes on you cos Halo MCC is gonna sell far more copies on steam than Metro did on Epic store. And what are Epic gonna do when Fagnite inevitably starts it's death spiral?

I agree that competition isn't inherently good.

My argument is, essentially, Steam is a bit shit. They take a huge cut, have a mediocre client, Valve focus on features nobody uses and Valve does nothing for marketing, supporting developers/publishers or communicating with consumers for a huge cut. Someone needed to come along with the resources to compete directly to shake up the marketplace. It's hard to overstate how little Steam has developed in the last half-decade.

I don't see why EGS's "bribe" strategy is inherently bad? I also don't really see how EGS is "anti-consumer"? They're more focused on being pro-developer/publisher and that's not a contradiction. Valve has done a lot of pro-publishers/anti-consumer shit, unless you love having to log in through GFWL/Uplay etc and an aggressive region locking policy etc.

The specific one cited is user reviews - I'm not really, really not tied to shit like user reviews anyway. They're generally a pile of shit - low quality, polarised and, surprisingly, overly biased towards the positive. They're more psychologically manipulative noise than actually useful. This is the same whether it's Amazon, Rottentomatoes, Metacritic or Steam.

EGS just feels like another games store to me. I use XBL/PSN/GOG/Origin and, yes, Steam, and there really isn't a difference between it and the others. EGS has a nicer store design than most of them? Steam has some nice-to-have features (but a lot of them niche, like Super-Wine, Big Box and VR etc) but has a fucking horrible UI, a mess of a store, and is missing some pretty glaringly useful features that it should really have (mandatory patch notes for updates are a biggest one for me)?

>Steam is a bit shit
Not an argument in favor EGS
>They take a huge cut
30% is industry standard and was an extremely generous cut at the time of their launch, 30% being draconian is historical revisionism
> Valve focus on features nobody uses
What features are you talking about, and who are you to determine that? Do you mean the community features such as reviews and forums? Because they all get extensive use and grant users a great deal of information on how to patch and mod games and provide a handy one stop spot for info. Diagnostics help users and devs in product success and interest.
>Valve does nothing for marketing
It's not Valve's job to sell your game, but even then that's not true because Valve curates high demand and indie hits on the front page
>It's hard to overstate how little Steam has developed in the last half-decade.
What are you talking about? Steam is the most developed storefront to date. It's also extremely ironic to make this claim when Epic hasn't even caught up to its basic features.
>I also don't really see how EGS is "anti-consumer"
The express goal of the Epic store is to provide a "cleaner" store front without the "toxicity" of steam. This is euphemistic speak for a storefront without the consumer ability to express their discontent with the products. The epic store has a range of lacking consumer control, which is fronted as "not ready yet" but the purpose is to move consumers onto the platform, explicitly supported by the games journos and industry at large, and then never get around to the 'missing features' until the app store format because the new standard and people can't call their walking simulators gay on the front page.

Epic doesn't have the fundamentals covered, nobody "deserves" a chance. If Epic wants to be validated then they can do that by being a better store, not out of some "greater good" to support some chink spyware counter market.

Tienanmen Square Massacre
Winnie The Pooh

name 1 game containing Japanese spyware

Everything Square makes

Yep, I'm thinking this is based

Pooh Bear

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You know what there is proof of? Tencent buying into Epic and using that influence to sabotage one of Epics games to eliminate competition for LoL. Tencent runs Epic, deal with it gook boy.

it does actually suck though. reviews are shit and its not built to be a social platform at all like steam. just buy a game and fuck off. and if you don't have internet you don't get to play your games

If im ever forced to make a epic account it will be a T word variant

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Epic is better than steam.

Yea Forums

based

>Steam is the most developed storefront to date
If by "developed" you mean bloated full of trash, sure.

>durr I not know how to filter for things i like hurr give me more E3 to tell me what to buy
Hahaha you fucking peabrain.

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Steam always had competition. The competition is just been shit. Being the best option on the market doesn't make them a monopoly.

>30% is industry standard and was an extremely generous cut at the time of their launch, 30% being draconian is historical revisionism

30% is generous by the standards of retail, not by the standards of the cost to provide the service.

>What features are you talking about
VR, Big Box Mode, Linux. The shit that causes constant client updates that no fucker wants. Steam still doesn't have proper release dates, library filtering or box art.

>who are you to determine that?
Common fucking sense? Do you think VR is taking over the world? Big Box Mode is basically broken right now and has been for a while, so how many people are using it?

>What are you talking about? Steam is the most developed storefront to date.

They've added a bunch of bullshit that is tangental to its core functionality. I have a Steam account and using Steam has actually gone downhill since 2014. Their best updates in that time was letting you selectively install DLC and fixing the bug which made Steam hang when you added a game.

>It's also extremely ironic to make this claim when Epic hasn't even caught up to its basic features.

The core functionality of Steam and EGS is similar. The extra value add Steam has, while taking a fucking massive cut, is very small.

>It's not Valve's job to sell your game, but even then that's not true because Valve curates high demand and indie hits on the front page
Only because Valve has abdicated on that responsibility despite taking a high cut. Part of the role of a store should be to sell products, and competitors like MS and Sony do vastly more to sell the games for the same cut.

>The express goal of the Epic store is to provide a "cleaner" store front without the "toxicity" of steam
The goal of Epic store is to make fucking money, you tard. They're doing that by appealing to developers and assuming, reasonably, that consumers will go where the games are.

Being a monopoly because you're the best is still a monopoly.

R*ddit peons cannot into meta level humor they just repeat tired jokes and mantras like they do in all other situations

Hahaha I wasn't even talking about the absolute liternty of trash the store has on it, I was talking about those "features" you think are good.
>Community pages
>Achivements
>Curators
>Steam reviews with zero quality control
Epic store is just a store, as it should be.

This. Fuck the red chinese.

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>The core functionality of Steam and EGS is similar
You mean like that it sells and plays game? No fucking shit, that doesn't address the fact that I don't even have a quarter of the agency over those games or the ability to collect information from a forum or view any sort of quality rating by other users. They only just got around to a search function, how fucking disingenuous.

Steam does not hold a monopoly, though. how many times does this have to be said?

And Valve is supposed to do what exactly about that?

You clearly value things I don't value at all, like forums or reviews. That's fine, but stop acting like I'm wrong and you're right as a consequence.

And EGS didn't need search until now because it had like a dozen games on it?

>The goal of Epic store is to make fucking money, you tard.
Yeah, and one of those paths they're taking to obtain that is to cut "toxic review culture", way to fucking dodge why people dislike EGS left and right.

People are wayyy to obsessed with the word monopoly, an ambiguous word which has multiple loaded meanings.

Review culture is toxic and is why devs hate steam along with their disgusting high cut

Right, and that's bad if you think online users reviews are valuable. If you think online user reviews are fucking shit then you don't care.

So both can be right?

>You clearly value things I don't value at all, like forums or reviews. That's fine, but stop acting like I'm wrong and you're right as a consequence.
>VR, Big Box Mode, Linux. The shit that causes constant client updates that no fucker wants.
lol

A monopoly is when you can't even compete in an industry without the go ahead of the prime stakeholder of the entire industry, or at the very least when they do everything in their power to cripple one's ability to operate outside of their hegemony. Silicon valley is closer to a monopoly than Valve is. Ironically EGS exhibits the behavior of how a company would behave as a monopoly without yet even holding that stranglehold. I dread an Epic lead industry.

>Only because Valve has abdicated on that responsibility despite taking a high cut. Part of the role of a store should be to sell products, and competitors like MS and Sony do vastly more to sell the games for the same cut.

Steam is a storefront, not an advertisement company. Imagine if Walmart was obligated to advertise every shitty product they put on their shelves.

Epic Store: 90% battle royale trash, 10% actual games you might wanna play.

in order to have a monopoly you need to have no substitutes. In other words, if there is no substitute for the product, then you have a monopoly. There are clearly many substitutes for the product steam is offering (a storefront).
the cost of something is never it's absolute price. it's always its relative price. The cost of something is what you could ELSE be doing with those resources.

based microsoft is teaming up with valve and nintendo to save us from sony and epic

fuck off with your anti-consumer bullshit shady business practices

Don't bundle Sony with Epic. Sony is pretty based, even if they are a conglomerate.

>censorship
>based

Bobby, are you again playing with these chinks?

Why do people insist on loyalty to a free digital vidya store over the other?
I can understand, sorta, consoles as you have to pay for those, but not this
Its functional and gives out bigger variety, it has its problems but it works for me

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Wow! a wide selection of games has people writing reviews and recommending games.
If you don't like anime games then ignore them? What are you going to do if Epic store gets one anime game, are you going to boycott it?
10% sale is somehow a bad thing, saving money is now bad?

Censorship is not based, but Sony doesn't do it as much as others.

Why am I as customer supposed to give a shit about devs johning? Devolver Digital and host many other independent creatives seem to find plenty of success with Steam, including the creators of Hollow Knight and Shovel Knight. The "review" culture certainly seems to work in their favor. Maybe devs should stop making shit games instead of making customers the subject of blame?

>devs think they're entitled to good reviews

kek

We had seven fucking threads on this from the same person yesterday, and we're up to what 3?

It's a full on general now.

That is two equally valid, contradictory economic descriptions of a monopoly, among many others.

And both of which are also really quite useless outside of natural monopolies because it's incredibly tough to provide examples that perfectly fits either of them.

So... yeah, it's a useless term that people are obsessed with, and that obsession is clever because it means that people ignore the broader idea of competition for the pretty much useless straw man that is a monopoly.

But Phil said he wanted to bring Xbox services to every console dumb xfag

>EPIC BAD.
This but unironically.

Tim Sweeney is a hypocritical piece of garbage.

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They need tp stop so other people can catch up and have a chance for starters. Maybe put a mandatory anti exclusivity contract where they have tp release on at least once store besides steam.

That sounds like a really fucking retarded idea.

Who gives shit if Steam is a monopoly? This isn't a government anti-trust hearing.

The real question: will additional credible competition lead to Steam improving their service and cutting their margins?

Seems like the answer will be yes. Competition isn't always good but it can be.

based

not defending any ceo douchebag, but have you actually read the article?

Maybe we'll get a new Jazz Jackrabbit game...

They should pay the Sonic Mania developers to make a new Jazz Jackrabbit

upvotes to the left of me
upvotes to the right
here I am

Stuck on battle.net with jews?

Oh yeah, and get Tyson Hesse to direct the opening cinematic...

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I don't like the idea of Tencent gaining more global economic power, there are so many reasons beyond muh vidya about why that could be really bad.

Getting desperate, huh?

So it's a patriotism/nationalism thing? I'm not American so I don't give a shit about that.

China has been generous.

Oh no another Epic bait!

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Maybe people just don't want to support shitty anti-consumer bullshit.

>Ironically they are now cheering for Microsoft and Halo being on Steam. Why do you think Halo is on steam? Because Gabe is fighting exclusive wars with Epic. Without Epic, Halo would 100% be exclusive to the microsoft store.

did gabe pay for exclusivity? no
did phil spencer and xbox team determine they would make more money if they sold it on steam then just on their W10 store that his bosses want him to use? yes

you chinks are terrible liars

No it's a way, "not wanting Chinese super power dictating the social economic global market sphere" kind of thing. The reason why it might not seem to matter is because we're all up our own ass with comfort and we think western industry standards(even the shitty ones) are the global standard when they're not. It's why I wouldn't want Saudi Arabia dictating my market either.

I don't get it either. I also love how literally no one cared about the Steam Forums, and Steam Reviews were the joke of the industry, until Exodus was Epic exclusive. Then not having them for a game was the equivalent of a nuclear holocaust.

Fuck off chink shill.

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gtfo with this reddit shit, you faggot

Yes Cletus is not exactly caught up on the Global Economy. But he don't trust those slanty eyeds and comperative advantage sounds like some commie gobbly gook!
I mean look at for example. This user doesn't even know that Epic is actually majority owned by an American. Yet he is trying to post like he is some genius discussing real politik, because of games stores.

>valve
All american patriotic wholesome

>epic XD games
chinese crypto communists shoving their "culture" into every game

> I also love how literally no one cared about the Steam Forums
They're the perfect assembly point for mod and patch support. Forums are't just for vidya chat
>Steam Reviews were the joke of the industry,
Says who? All the fags whose shitty art games got blown out?

Yeah, you really don't miss something until it's gone huh.

Do you actually want to post an argument or do you want to continue tipping your fedora? Because market shares are relevant below 51% especially when the share is 44% and you start gaining decision making power.

No. Tenecent has a worse track record than fucking EA when it comes to being anti consumer, microtransaction. Beyond that, they're the fuckers who are running the PRC's "social credit score" system, of which we'll probably see in some form in online games in the future.

>They're the perfect assembly point for mod and patch suppor
I recommend Nexus Mods. They are like Steam Workshop only not actively try to fuck GoG users, and never tried monetizing Mods.
Literally everything the forums do could be solved by a publisher forum, reddit, gamefags, or a thousand other websites that outdate steam forums.
>Says who?
1/3 of steam reviews are:
Negative, I don't like what the political opinions of someone on twitter.
1/3 This Port is almost perfect, and thus unplayble because it is only 100x better than the console version, boycott publisher until they take porting seriously. negative.
1/3 OMG THIS GAME IS AMAZING POSSITVE *found on literally every game, even fucking shower with your dad simulator"
So basically to have high reviews on Steam you need to be PC exclusive and not have a twitter account. Has nothing to do with the game itself. Shower with your dad Simulator is rated higher than metro 2033.
Everyone knew it was a joke. Suddenly it is now anticonsumer not to have it (something literally no one said before steam implemented it, or more realistically, until EGS didn't have it). Then we obtusely pretend objectively better information isn't available within a google search.
>How am I supposed to know if Metro Exodus is good without some sperg telling me what he thinks about Deep Silver on the EGS, I dont have a web browser, phone or internet connection!

>steam advertises games
>GOD WHY IS STEAM ADVERTISING TO ME

>steam doesnt asvertise
>HOW ARE MY SHITTY INDIE GAMES SUPPOSED TO PROFIT IF VALVE DOESNT MARKET FOR ME

Nothing pleases you bugmen

Everything you just said is 100% incorrect

>the share is 44% and you start gaining decision making power.
This would be true if it was a plurality. It isn't Tim Sweeney (one man) owns the majority, as in the greatest share, and he is also CEO and thus most invested in the decision making process. Tencent is a multinational like many multinationals, owns small strictly investment shares in an insane amount of companies, around the world. And literally own their own games store that they, themselves 100% own that they are trying to expand within Asia. I don't mean to be rude. But you know literally nothing about holding companies, and literally just read some Yea Forums post that said epic was owned by the evil CHINESE!

everything you just said is 2000% incorrect.
Gabe LOVES ME. ME NO CHEAT ON GABE! HE ONLY BEATS ME CAUSE HE CARES!

Chicom must be destroyed.

Steam reviews aren't good because every review is well written, they're good because as a public square of discourse they allow me to find a variety of information that allows me cut through me promotional material and see what kind of game I'm dealing with. For example all of those "port flaw" reviews are highly helpful as I get direct feedback to potential problems that I may face. The negative reviews section also usually contain some of the most concise and better written reviews that better inform me to problems, even for games I like or are interested in.

The argument for removing them is shallow because it's like saying Amazon reviews should be cut because sometimes put out "5/5 worked when I opened it" reviews when they allow for me as customer to suss out problems with either the product or the seller with just even a few minutes of investigation. You're arguing to reduce consumer power because of some MS paint situations.

Even if people couldn't prove it, Epic's security is fucking awful.
I still get emails of people trying to log into my Epic account I haven't touched since I made it.

Epic store games don't need pop up windows as the store is just a big list of games, without any of the rpg maker or literal asset flips plaguing steam. If you unironically doesn't think steam needs quality control you're a hopeless gabe cock sucking faggot.

>Because market shares are relevant below 51% especially
Try telling that to people who whine about Steam not being a monopoly.

It sucks that free games on epic are absolute trash

t. chinese dog boiler

It's 44% now when it was 0% in the past. When you finance Epic you're financing Tencent as well and growing their global market hold. Owning fractions of companies all over the world doesn't make their influence or financial buying power less relevant.

So you get way less than minimum wage and still do it? Or is it worse, you can't possibly be doing it for free?

When you buy something from Steam you literally don't know who you're financing.

Well Valve owns 100% of Valve so I'm not sure what you're point is there.

Epic doesn't have pop ups because Epic has 2 dozen games in their entire store. The point of the optional pop ups is to direct your attention to new releases that you might be interested because they're a massive store with thousands of games. What a fucking retarded argument. What do you think will happen if or when Epic gets more 50 games? Are you literally championing a store having no options?

>I still get emails of people trying to log into my Epic account I haven't touched since I made it.
Sounds like a you problem, queer, I never get those emails. You know those emails don't come from people who got your email from epic right? You're address got pooled in by some other flaw somewhere and chinks are just trying to break anything, epic games being one of them.

>For example all of those "port flaw" reviews are highly helpful as I get direct feedback to potential problems that I may face.
they are ridiculous and overboard. The binary negative or possitive system doesn't allow for naunce here either.
You would objectively get 100x the experiance literally just searching "X review" on google, or youtube, and just skipping over IGN and whatnot.
>The argument for removing them is shallow
This is obtuse. I am not saying remove them. I am completely indifferent as to if the store I am purchasing my games from has its own internal review system. I don't trust the conflict of interest, but that is a whole nother debate.
>when they allow for me as customer to suss out problems with either the product or the seller with just even a few minutes of investigation.
The problem with this is I am buying something so niche and offbrand off Amazon proper reviews do not exist, nor are they necessary. I just need to see the can opener works, and I buy it. This is not the same as the critique of an artistic creation, something that, no matter how niche will still get detailed reviews on external systems.
>arguing to reduce consumer power
Another goalpost move. I am not saying to remove "consumer power" reviews are fine. customer reviews are fine, on steam they are terrible, but whatever, that is why we have Youtube, metacritic, 1000x different websites and blogs. YOu can obtusely pretend steam reviews is all we have, or that I am saying they should go away. Or you can accept they are pretty much a nonfactor.

The Epic store does nothing to benifit consumers

>It's 44% now when it was 0% in the past.
Wow, Sweeney sold a minority stake of his company to inject funding!? This is a new thing I have never heard of. Definitely wouldn't trust it.
>When you finance Epic you're financing Tencent as well and growing their global market hold.
Good for them. There are tonnes of multinationals you do business with and don't even know.

WHAT THE FUCK?
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED?
>slavs and chnks
Fuck Epic store

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Valve Corporation and the corporate producer of the product

Yeah, and some of those companies are not partners with the Chinese government, like Tencent is.

Um guys. You know The PRC government, also known as TENCENT is using their brain control powers to make Epic majority owner, founder and CEO Tim Sweeney do these things solely so he can kill gaming for the great PRC! This elaborate plan is solely because Tencent does not own their own launcher, like say WeGames, that is the number one launcher in the PRC, that they are expanding to the rest of Asia. Obviously something like that would make me look silly, which is why they don't have it!

They gonna invade US.
They're our number one enemy.

>using twitch views as a metric for game quality
That's a yikes for me.

What is your point? If you don't care and don't want their removal then you don't need to care that they're still up. I don't want to trust my right to hear the public square bottlenecked through Google and youtube, especially since Youtube is limited to content creators while on Steam I can hear from anyone.

yeah epic is fucking bad and a shitty client. What the fuck is your point retard?

>Yeah, and some of those companies are not partners with the Chinese government, like Tencent is.
Good news, Tencent isn't "partners" with the Chinese government.
Bad news, a shit tonne of those companies do just as much business with Bejing. Even if they are American. Tencent DID make a lot of their money investing in companies that reproduced international services, that were barred in the USA, with Chinese compliant ripoffs. But they are on a huge list of multinationals to play ball. The location of their headquarters is only really relevant to understanding how they saw this golden cow. They also have holdings in a whole bunch of other random shit, lots that doesn't even operate there, like Spotify EGS, etc. If you want to be worried about a Tencent owned game launcher, good news, there is one, and it is bigger than EGS and expanding inernationally. Go scream at WeGames.

Amazon reviews aren't good either.

People think they are good but they are not.

User reviews are a great psychological trick rather than actually being valuable. The reasons are numerous and complicated, but they're biased towards the positive, self-selecting/unrepresentative and uninformed. Users then end up weighting them disproportionately, often unconsciously, despite them being basically useless. They rarely contain actually useful information.

It's a shame no-one has really tried to fix these problems, but Amazon/Steam have no incentive to do it and it's really hard to get reviews otherwise.

>post truth
>acts like its an ironic reddit meme

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>What is your point?
That the lack of an in launcher review system on EGS is completely fine, and makes no real difference. Nobody cared about Steam reviews until it was a talking point.
>If you don't care and don't want their removal then you don't need to care that they're still up.
I don't? They already exist, so it would be silly for Valve to take them down. I am not saying no reviews is a GOOD thing for epic, or reviews is a BAD thing for steam. I am saying it is an incredibly dumb talking point.
But if you trust the people selling you the game, more than an unrelated third party, maybe give your head a shake? I seriously want to know the tinfoil reason you cant trust googe/YT, to show you independent reviews. But can trust valve?

I also suspect the binary system, was to bar mediocre review scores as to inflate game value. You see 95% positive, and think it is like 9.5/10 or 95/100 really good. When in reality it is just 1000 people saying it was okay.

wait, why is this so bad? i only buy the things i want and ignore almost all of it. i scroll down to the
>sale games
>upcoming games
>and wishlist section
and choose from there

WUSSUP REDNER GROUP WE'S ON THE 4CHANS NOW
therednergroup.com/

user, I literally get constant messages from Epic Games about my account security, not from anywhere else. The only times I ever got a message like that from other sites, it only occurred once and I easily rectified any issue by changing my password.
I changed my password numerous times, and still get notifications about it.

I get it daily from steam tho. Not even shitposting.

do epic shills even get paid?

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GAME??

This is literally not a problem. There is already a market for professional curators and or critiques(setting aside current quality of saids markets). The purpose of user review content is receive unfiltered feedback from the common denominator regarding the public's reception of the good's being sold. Although rarely as elegant as Roger Ebert critique, this better informs other consumers and the sellers what the street word of the goods are. This is healthy because it means you're receiving the least amount of bullshit filtering, especially since the "informativeness" of the user is literally irrelevant qualitative posturing. If a seller loses track of John Doe sentiment, that's how they end up in situations where Anthem or ironically Valve's own card game ends up, which is trashed and with little connection to what John Doe wants. The writing finesse of the average review is literally irrelevent, all diminished access to the public square is anti-consumer at heart, and you could probably extend this analogy to the level of governments as well.

more specifically, they're hired from the redner group out of los angeles

therednergroup.com/

Fucking zoomer that is CNC Generals. Its not even one of the older CNC games. Good game, you should play it.

I imagine that's part of it, because people are reluctant to leave negative reviews.

Also, it's because most people rate 1/5 or 5/5. Because user reviews are fucking shit.

Bethesda launcher FTW

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>Halo comes out on PC
>"We want to release this game up to the standards for pc gaming"
>no Epic store release
based

Shit i haven't played in years. I knew i recoginzed this. Thanks

> Nobody cared about Steam reviews until it was a talking point.
Because nobody thought it would be up on the chopping block. Imagine if "user feedback" had to be finagled as a haggling point.

KEK epic should ask for their money back from redner group because redner group shilling makes people not want epic launcher even more

you have to do your jobs right. this website is huge for you guys with all these potential customers -- yet you can't even convince people nor correctly argue for epic launcher's case. how will they pay their shareholders if you're doing this bad of a job convincing people? isn't their ideology supposed to be yours now? because i really see the opposite and it seems like you guys are unintentionally shilling for steam now

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Unironically this. But Epic shouldn't get a refund. It's their fault for choosing a group whose shills take things personally instead of actually trying to push their product.

>Guys! Guys Redner! I found a social media marketing group! That proves every thread not agreeing with me is professional shilling!
Yikes

>user posts this
>shills report back to their internet marketing managers on how to reply to it

I've never once received one from Steam, personally. I'm sure it happens. I doubt my accounts are all that enticing anyway, since I don't save any payment info on any account anywhere if I can help it. Which makes me wonder why the fuck chinks are constantly attempting to get hands on my Epic account of all things.

>Because nobody thought it would be up on the chopping block
It is not you dumb shitposter. There is another store that doesnt have it. How will I ever know if Metro Exoudus is good?
While I question the need for a review site from the dumb and inarticulate. Metacritic already has this, and despite not having "verified owner" it is review bombed less than steam. Also funny you use Anthem as an example. When that game does not infact have steam reviews either.

this is what people mean, shill. it would have been best if you had ignored it and continued (properly) pushing your product. your free product that no one really wants. if i were epic, i would ask for my money back

Who /steam/ here?

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I remember back in 2012 when I started posting here how small the anti-steam crowd was and this whole Epic fiasco and steams already terrible curating system going customer-side is only exhaserbating it now. I'm never going to stop using steam because I'm too far invested in it, but god damn its fallen pretty hard. Anime shit everywhere. Porn shit everywhere. Pretty much any shitbox dev can get their game on steam now because Valve wants all the money it can grub. Was it always like this? I don't remember it always being like this. Sure there was shovelware but... not like this.

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I wonder that about my steam account, it isnt just China though, I dont know about EGS, cause it never happend to me. But for Steam I get shit telling me where they tried logging its shit like Russia, Malysia Vietnam.

self hating communists ruin everything
the race war will be ALL OUT ALL OVER on the western front that takes place in every country where people can and do place english words swapping out their own because they are too mentally deficient to learn their mother tongue

>how small the anti-steam crowd was
What are you on about
>renting your games
Was like a daily thread.
Steam is shit though, I will just buy games wherever they are being sold, but it would be nice if they fixed their shit or someone did it for them. Sadly, the latter is unlikely because nobody cares how good your store is, if it isn't steam.

No, it is a problem, you just don't think it's a problem. There are lots and lots of complicated problems with user reviews but have a huge impact, and it's not just writing or differing opinions.

A lot of it is the old Cinemascore problem. People rate films as they leave theatres and give htem as score. But what they are actually reviewing is whether the film appealed to them, so it's mostly a proxy to how representative the marketing was to the film itself. You're receiving a different type of "filtered feedback". Steam and Amazon don't want to solve this, because they obviously like it.

And self-selection is huge, because who the fuck has both the motivation and free time to write reviews? People who really shouldn't be writing reviews.

The reality is that the "best" reviews are a replacement for simple factual information - stores prefer to provide reviews because of the above and because it takes less effort, but mechanisms for "This game is technically broken", "This game has dead multiplayer", "This game has exploitative microtransactions", "This game contains spyware" etc would have more use, combined with store curation that actually removes games that don't work and removes games with spyware like Redshell

Professional reviews, and "curators", have their own problems. Not saying they're a panacea at all.

>While I question the need for a review site from the dumb and inarticulate
LOL current corporate sentiment in a nutshell. And these companies wonder they appear like aliens to the average consumer base.

>Epic shills/shitposters always only mention Steam
>When Epic's faggotry negatively impacts GOG too

Fuck anyone that supports this bullshit of bringing what is essentially console wars with console-tier garbage to the PC space

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EGS basically just tells you there were too many login attempts and your account is locked, but doesn't say from where they came from. They may also suggest two-factor authentication if you don't have that, which I did after the first time yet still doesn't seem to help.

There is also the mob effect/bandwagon effect. Steam reviews even have Reddit tier upvotes where everyone has to hate this game cause X. Or more to Steams favour, love it cause X!

no one does. people just have it for fortnite

>The reality is that the "best" reviews are a replacement for simple factual information - stores prefer to provide reviews because of the above and because it takes less effort, but mechanisms for "This game is technically broken", "This game has dead multiplayer", "This game has exploitative microtransactions", "This game contains spyware" etc would have more use, combined with store curation that actually removes games that don't work and removes games with spyware like Redshell

If only there was some way for the user to point these things out this directly and without filter, but how would we achieve that

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>LOL current corporate sentiment in a nutshell.
yeah uhh, user just go and read costumer reviews on Steam or Amazon. The good news for these "companies" you think you know better than, is the dumb and inarticulate are easily pleased.
Game, good it had comabt. me liek comabt.Thumbs up.
100 users found this useful, this game is 97% possitive reviews, cause you cant give a neutral!

>Game, good it had comabt. me liek comabt.Thumbs up.
Well, was the combat good or not? This is important. I love that you post anti-informational anarchy on Yea Forums of all places as well, not seeing the irony. Would you even be able to shill for Epic in as many and whatever words you choose through their provided channels?

Yikes!

How the everloving FUCK did you get on this stupid ass tangent from me talking about how I feel like steams been degrading as a platform lately? I'm genuinely baffled. Please don't bother replying to this.
Like I said I started in 2012. Maybe earlier before that shit was different because imageboards like this seem to always be in flux with new people coming and going all the time. But I'm being honest when I tell you I remember the portion of anti-steam people being minimal compared to how often gabens cock got throated. I'm not saying I'm right , just saying what I remember. Trying to figure out the overall feelings of a place 2m people come to post at is asinine. iirc the main gripe with steam I'd always see involved DRM, not the quality of games available on the platform or how it functioned as a service. Such people would always Recommend GoG over steam because of this.

Also some folks that bitched the more valve tried to sell them non-game shit like keys for TF2 crates but thats understandable.

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Yeah, the bandwagon effect is big too.

They're massively flawed. I'm not realy upset that a store doesn't have them, it never bohtered me that Steam didn't used to have them either, and I still find myself getting manipulated by them despite myself.

The problem is that user reviews are a bad way of solving that compared with an actual good store.

I mean, an example: Crysis is broken on Steam on 64-bit. Always has been. And basically everyone uses 64-bit these days. So you have to manually download the 64-bit executable from elsewhere and manually install and run it to get it to work. Which is a pain in the ass. A good store would do something about that but we have Steam so you get nothing.

And here are the reviews: store.steampowered.com/app/17300/Crysis/

That's not even how you use that meme. But I understand
>be shill
>probably leftist
>soulless

>Well, was the combat good or not? This is important.
You will never find out, from a steam review. You are more than likely to find out from Yea Forums of all places. at least we aren't retardedly skewed to the possitive.
>I love that you post anti-informational anarchy on Yea Forums of all places as well, not seeing the irony.
I don't trust Yea Forums with my purchasing decisions either.

About 2012 was the last time Steam felt ahead of the curve, and Valve was relevant as a developer.

>Buzzwords
Yikes!

>About 2012 was the last time Steam felt ahead of the curve
What other storefronts are providing dedicated server backends, high-level controller support and Linux OS support for native Windows games with things like Proton?

> iirc the main gripe with steam I'd always see involved DRM, not the quality of games available on the platform or how it functioned as a service.
Correct those gripes sort of died long before that. Steam has definitely gone done the shitter. But who can blame them with such a loyal following?

>Steam has definitely gone done the shitter.

I'd love to see and explanation of how Steam's gone down the shitter

not that guy, I'm the guy he replied to, but I definitely think myself that what feels like a giant influx of low quality porn games and anime games is pretty detrimental to how I feel about steam as a platform. But like I said I think there's always been shovelware on steam but... not like this. Hard to describe why I feel different about this kind of shovelware vs the other indieshit thats seemingly always clogged up steams catalog.

I mean this sincerely: most people don't care about or use that shit, or VR for that matter.

Then the answer is inevitably "back that up with numbers". You can't as they're not publicly available, and Valve has been very careful not to release meaningful numbers (they've only released cumulative numbers for pad use, which are pretty much meaningless). There's no real evidence either way.

But if you think a large amount of people are using non-Xinput pads on PC, Linux for gaming or VR then you live in a different world to me.

Sure. They opened the floodgates, to complete and utter shit, with the most half assed and ineffective filtering methods making the storefront unusable. They got rid of flash sales for their refund system, and browsing sales has gotten so bad I would miss most of the good deals if I didn't go to fucking Yea Forums threads and browse peoples carts. The process of getting on steam is litereally just give them $100, and they wont even check to see if it works or is falsely advertised until months later, sure I can tell cause Im not retarded. But It adds 10lbs of shit to wade through to find what I want, making Norstrom Rack look like real Nordstrom. This removes any badge of quality or curation to be promised about an indie if it is found on steam, real indies and vehement trash are indistinguishable and bury each other. What is and isn't allowed on steam changes daily based on kneejerk reactions. This isn't allowed, oh people don't want censorship? everything goes except if it is illegal. Oh people are mad about this rape game? then that is banned, it is wholly inconsistent. And it fucks over legitimate devs like the honeypop guys cause they have no idea of the game they are investing into is steam legal half the time.
I mean the main problem is steam went from 300 games a year to 3,000 games a year with no contigency to sort it.
I don't care about your community features. I use steam to buy games, and sometimes I have to run it in the background to play them. that is my relationship with steam. All that other bullshit is like the workplace "gym" or "lounge" so you can hang after hours. Fuck that, I go to work, I go home after. My experiance with a store, is based on shopping there, not the "community" or what I can be doing at a store when I am not shopping.

Dualshock controllers are used a lot more than back when everyone was just using 360 pads

As someone who has been arguing on behalf of user reviews this whole time, I confess that I find 90+% of user reviews complete shit and useless. However, occasionally people will take the time to effort post a review and these reviews will get highlighted and I enjoy that I the right to look at these effort posts and that I have the right to make an effort post if I so choose.
>you will never find out from a steam review
is just myopic narcissism, people are actually effort posting in every space if you bother to check, even on Yea Forums. I wouldn't trust a recommendation because it was posted on Yea Forums, but I might trust a recommendation posted on Yea Forums because it was well written, and I've been here long enough to see plenty of effort posting which has both informed and entertained me. It isn't important that every errant post on the public square be good, but that people can continue to have free access to the public square so that they can have the freedom to do or say something of effort by their own free will and not by some sterile corporate culture. By your own philosophy, we shouldn't even have Yea Forums, and if you act such that everything on Yea Forums is shit without the possibility to be otherwise, it means you're actually just another one of the negative wallowing fags who shit this place up, and that you're part of the problem and not the solution.

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Man, I'd love to develop a mediocre gatcha game, and name all files TIANANMEN SQUARE

Should do that for Wegames(formerly Tencent games launcher) not EGS.

>Epic store
not so fast kikes

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Plus Epic sells their own VR shit on Oculus, and VR devs aren't barred from accepting the steam 70-30 deal in exchange for the great VR support. I play a lot of VR, and could see if people were screaming about the Oculus store, but Epic store is not a big deal, since it is just not exactly going to start getting all the Vr games as exclusives.

>However, occasionally people will take the time to effort post a review and these reviews will get highlighted and I enjoy that I the right to look at these effort posts and that I have the right to make an effort post if I so choose.
I am not denying that if you scour hard enough you wont find a good steam review. But they are the few and far between, and it is incredibly stupid to argue this service is hugely important just for that. Again, I am not saying dump the system. I am saying there are places where 90% of reviews are not infact useless, that will review a game, even if it is sold at a store that doesnt have an inhouse review system. And so it is silly to argue steam reviews are important.

Honestly fuck chinks and gooks tbqh

Stop shilling your store and make a new Unreal game you fucking cumguzzler.

>EGS
I hope I'm not the only one who first read it as Ember Ghost Squad

I find effort post reviews are highest on middling or bad games. If the game is getting glowing praise then it usually means few people are having technical problems with the game and then at that point it comes down to genre tastes or desires.

Here's a random screenshot I took of the review page for La Mulana. You see a variety of reviews and people putting some time into assembling sentences or paragraphs to communicate their experience. You don't need to "dig" for anything you can generally find what people are thinking with just a few scrolls. The only time your example really follows is on super hype meme games, which even then you can still find dissent or effort posting.

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Yeah, but it's almost certainly gone from basically zero to a few percentage points, largely due to the popularity of the PS4 meaning a lot of people have them.

And Steam's controller support doesn't really make it a good experience either, it's just an adapter, and it's people just using what is free.

Valve's stats saying 20% have once used the PS4 controller to play games are fucking meaningless when a ton of people will have tried it just to see if it works.