Is Kanji gay or confused?

neither. he was afraid of being called a pussy for liking girly things.

Everyone in persona is straight. Yes, even Goro.

He had feelings for a perceived boy, and his shadow (i.e. the aspect of his psyche that he had suppressed) admitted that he had homosexual thoughts. I won't define him as "gay" but he's clearly got some confusing feelings about the same sex.

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He’s bi. This has nothing to do with his shadow. In game he says he wants to caress your beautiful, chiseled abs. His words not mine.

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am I the only one who likes Kanji x Rise?

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>t. Retards that didnt get the point of his s.link arc or his shadow
Kanji is 100% fucking straight.

His entire dungeon theme was him struggling with his masculinity and his fear of being perceived as a sissy by his peers for enjoying "girly" things like sewing and fashion.

If any one was gay, it was Yosuke due to his insecure homophobic comments and the fact he had a romance that was cut out of the game.

He thought he was gay for liking girly things like sewing but realized he just liked those hobbies

...

That faggot Jun from P2 is a gay faggot who betrayed his friends and doesn't even have the excuse to be mentally ill like Goro

I dont remeber that shit and I beat the game like 6 times.

It’s when you equip an outfit that shows your chest then talk to him. He says similar gay shit like saying you’re beautiful when you’re in drag.

His entire dungeon theme was a gay bath house.
>h-he was just struggling with his masculinity!
Well his boss was super fucking masculine. It was also very very gay.

Thats him being an idiot who jontrons himself into those situations.

He says he likes hanging out with guys because girls are annoying but he words it in a way that makes him sound like a fag. Which is why yosuke always freaks out and thinks hes going to rape him.

Hes only shown actual attraction towards women in the game.

Because Kanjis perception of what it means to be a fag is the same as liking girly hobbies. He puts on the tough guy act to hide the fact that he enjoys sewing and reading fashion magazines.
His favorite colors are Pink And Green which hes embarrassed to even admit to everyone because hes afraid of being called a pussy.

It had shit to do with his sexuality.

One of which who he thought was a boy and acted on his feelings anyway.
>But she was a girl anyway so it means hes straight
Any straight dude whos ever been fooled by a passable trap or trans person is gay now. Got it.

He wasn't really. Half of the shadow selves and their realms is repressed feelings people have of themselves and half is public's opinion on them. Everyone's shadows in TV were made by public interest in them. Namatame's shadow that showed up when you were making The Choice was made by your suspicions of him.
The moral is dundundun society has a deep effect on people's thoughts. Getting a Persona is essentially becoming awoken and finding your true self.

He wasn't fooled, or at least he wasn't aware he wasn't fooled. That's the joke.

Atlus would never portray gays positively in their games so he's not

The whole point of the shadows is accepting the negative parts of yourself you try to hide. If shadow kanji is part of kanji kanjis part gay. Otherwise "You're not me!" would actually be true. He's not gay or campy then whats the point of his shadow. Point is he's gay, just not THAT gay. Bi if you will.

If he was actually gay, hed be trying to hit on Yosuke, Teddy or the MC and make it alot more obvious.

But the fact that he likes naoto, an actual female, even after she reveals her indentity, proves hes not a fag.

He literally gets a nosebleed watching the girls get naked in the Onsen scene.

is naoto trans

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>whats the point of his shadow
Only brainlets immediately assume his dungeon = GAY when everything else about the character says otherwise.
Try to use that grey matter in your skull and reanalyze his entire arc.

He got a nosebleed watching the guys, too. Also, the fact they did not make him a predatory fag doesnt proove he's not bi.

"reads"

aka I'm going to make up my own headcanon regardless of how stupid it is

>your PERSONA is who you really are
because thats what the word means right?

>he got a nosebleed watching the guys too
He was with the men for longer and the nosebleed didnt happen until the girls showed up.

It's literally a gay bathhouse blasting techno.

I want him to fuck (Me)

Wouldn’t it be fair to say that male skinship has no bearing on sexuality of female skinship doesn’t

Anime girls grope each other all the time and nu-Yea Forums gets mad if you think that makes them gay

And Rises dungeon was literally a strip club but shes a virgin.
Your point

Literally no where did I mention personas. You fuckers have the audacity to act like you know what you are talking about and dont know the difference between personas and shadow selves.

>taking a erocentric perspective to other cultures art
Isn't that colonialist of the material?

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He's pretty gay.

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>DUDE, IF WE WRITE A GAY CHARACTER GOING THROUGH A SEXUAL ORIENTATION CONFUSION ARC BUT JUST SAY HES STRAIGHT IN THE END, ITS FINE, RIGHT JAPAN?
Same thing with Naoto.
The fact that they are made straight and shit DESPITE all the indicators and suggestions in their own writing and arc doesn't change what the writers clearly wanted to do with them but didn't want to put audiences off

yes

>dungeon is a reflection of his Shadow
>Shadow are the thoughts he has that he tries to suppress
>dungeon and Shadow are all about being gay and being attracted to guys
>But this TOTALLY doesnt mean that Kanji knows he's gay and is trying to suppress it
okay

>personas are just stands
>its just a name
>it has nothing to do with what the word actually means
>Why else would the game be called persona if its not just some random name they picked out for the not-stands

No. She just puts on male airs because she thinks she won't be taken seriously as a detective.

>his Personas are all exclusively male
Yeah, no shit. Because the way she presents herself to the world is as a male -- that is to say, her Persona in a psychological sense is a man. Just because Chie's persona is a female samurai doesn't mean that's literally what Chie is; it just represents the mask she wears for those observing her.

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>try once
>"TAINTED 4 LYF lmao"

Jokes aside, Kanji's bi only in the meaning of like, Kinsey 1 (and even that was a self-doubt fit) and in this day and widespread of gae it's where good chunk of people are.

Christ, I'm not even a big Persona fan and I can tell you he's straight. How the fuck do you people not understand the basic concepts of the story?
He's afraid people will see him as gay or fruity. The same way Rise is afraid of being viewed as a slut. It's their worst fear of how other people perceive them.

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It's a strip club because she knows she enjoys Idol attention and being a sex symbol but she's trying to repress that aspect of her personality.

No, PersonaQ also shoved it at your throat. They have good chemistry, she teases but he doesnt bite.

I'm glad to see the west is going back to its roots of being the arbiter of all other cultures and their works
Wouldn't want people to think that other cultures have different world experiences or anything

ITT: Guys who self inserted as Kanji in every aspect other than his attraction to male features and want to convince everyone he was straight all along so that they can feel like they're not faggots for relating to him

Both of those things are also a little bit true. Thats the whole acceptance part.

Hit the nail on the head

Its him trying to supress his effeminate behavior and hobbies you gumongous brainlet.

To him, thats the kind of stuff only gay dudes like.

Are you seriously going to argue that no boy has ever been called a "fag" for having interest in things that arent "manly" or acting less than masculine?

His shadow literally fucking screams " What does it truly mean to be man????"

You all are fucking retards looking for queer reprensentation in Jap game and you arent going to get it.

Same literal fag

>game set in 2009 Japan consumed and interpreted through the eyes of 2019 America
>muh narrative
>muh agenda

NO IT MEANS SHES A WHORE AND FUCKS EVERYONE SHE MEETS AND HER DUNGEON IS A LITERAL REFLECTION OF HER

Hit the nail on the head

Shadow Kanji: "I want to suck 700 cocks."
Kanji: "You are part of me. I accept you."
Yea Forums: "100% straight"

Mmm hot

The way I took it was that they need to accept the fact that they have no influence on the way other people will see them and should just act like themselves.

I was being faceitious

>gay doubts = gay; no questions asked
You're this close to earning the Y-word.
A person going through a self-doubt episode doesn't mean they are what they thought about.

Nah, it's a played up representation of her personal insecurities. She's a little bit of an attention whore and that's ok. Kanji's a little bit gay and thats ok.

Kanji=Gay
Naoto=Trans
Rise =Whore

Just except is gamers
This is the right side of history

Except not paranoid faggot.

>Kanjis a little bit gay
>has shown exclusively sexual attraction to females in the game aside from a few misunderstandings that are only played up for comedy between male members of the team
>but hes gay guize uwu
Ok.

Together they make up the Holy Trinity of Degeneracy.

In all honestly anyone who's had gay doubts and wasn't immediately turned off when they first saw another person's cock is at least bi.

By that logic then Naoto is trans and Rise is a whore.

i would do anything for a girlfriend

>Someone thinks MY videogame character isn't gay
>Better make a thread on 4channel OwO

God damn the level of stupidity people reach on Yea Forums every single day continues to amaze me.

Naoto is unhappy with the way her gender is viewed by society when it comes to her profession. However, she realized she doesn't need to be a man to be successful. She changed her mind instead of her body so she's not trans but honestly her struggle is part of what trans people go through. She's just not THAT unhappy. And Rise is just an attention whore.

best vidya paring

I think Kanji is is hetero but hes just really retarded when it comes to expressing those feelings.

Which is why he says alot of straight up weird/autistic shit sometimes.

His dungeon theme was just a red herring.

>Wouldn't want people to think that other cultures have different world experiences or anything
That is literally what you are doing. The mere idea of questioning Kanji's sexuality sends you into a seethe because that isn't how you want to perceive it.

>people express opinions over something that's subjective
>OH MY GOD FUCKING RETARDS

I think the most damning evidence for Kanji being bi is that time and time again the developers have dodged the question with "There is no right answer. It's up to interpretation " When is the last time a Japanese company was afraid to out right say "No. He's straight." the fact they havent done that means hes bi at least.

Right, because misinterpreting a character's arc and then stating it as fact is totally just expressing an opinion. Something like is clearly also just expressing an opinion rather than trying to push something as "fact".
Idiot.

>has shown exclusively sexual attraction to females
No he doesn't. He finally understood what Yosuke's Up Close and Personal meant when Yosuke hugged him from behind when riding his bike. Starts blushing when Yu asks him if he wants to go the a public bath together, wants to touch Yu's abs when wearing certain shirtless costumes, and is the only male party member who makes Valentine's chocolate for you.

This isn't even accounting all the gay stuff he does in the side games, he even gets upset if you say his gay marriage is a mistake in PQ.

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Nigga works in a textile shop. It was pretty obvious he was sexually confused or at least bisexual going off of his dungeon and his shadow form. At the very end of the game he goes back to his original hair color and looks like some student council president with straight A's in school. He probably bleached his hair and took on the bad boy look to make himself seem more masculine.

He was in love with someone that he thought was a guy. He's bi.

He likes girly shit like sewing, but he's insecure about it.

Should Chie and Yukiko kiss each other?

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Its not questioning if you are insisting he is gay. You even do this while removing the context of those scenes from the culture they come from.

>let me make a general statement and then when someone calls me out on it point to specific posts
>i'm so fucking superior to these idiots
I don't give a shit about your opinion, but nobody else feels the need to put everyone down as idiots to get a response. I can just tell you're a repulsive fucking human being already who thinks they're more intelligent than they really are and put others down for it when really you're average at best

Even the tranny their admits in canon Naoto isn't trans. you're literally being more of a retard than him.

Well that and he finds teddy cute
but yeah, thats pretty much it

>Naoto has lines directly referencing that it is against her will to act like a guy
>"She IS TRANS"
Well, I guess that line of thinking does fit with a standard internet transsexuals outlook.

Who the fuck let tumblr in lmao
Sorry I hurt your fucking feelings, faggot.

so p4g exclusive and not canon, got it

You keep using this "culture" argument but I don't see how it's relevant. His character arc clearly shows him being insecure about his sexuality. Like another user said, he had a crush on someone who he was certain was a dude.

someone can't handle being told they are wrong
real progressive buddy

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>muh tumblr
Wow you're just so cool you must be superior to everyone here because you call others faggots and idiots

He's gay for tomboys.

I'm saying that they LITERALLY have everything about Kanji's development and characterization suggest that his over-masculine attitude is the result of him being insecure about thinking he may be gay, the girliness shit never comes up until AFTER all of that. There's nothing even in his Shadow that suggests girly hobbies or interests, it's explicitly about being homosexual, down to his boss design

>His entire dungeon theme was him struggling with his masculinity and his fear of being perceived as a sissy by his peers for enjoying "girly" things like sewing and fashion.
That doesn't count him out as being gay, there are butch faggots who over compensate with masculinity, a lot of fat hairy bikers are faggots.

Naoto is a reverse trap, not a tomboy

Straight, but he'd suck a feminine penis

He was in love with a girl who he thought was a guy, which made him mistakenly think he might be gay. The feelings were real, and their nature was heterosexual because their object was a girl. You dumb fucking faggot.

Except I don't give two shits whether a fictional character is straight or gay, yet you people seem so intent on convincing everyone he's straight.
It's classic insecurity causing anger and aggression.

user, hypermasculinity in itself is a common gay trait.
It's not compensation, but it is a thing that is commonly fetishized among gays.

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Stop coping. He loves cock

Except none of the effeminate hobbies are even suggests at in his intro or dungeon. Compare that to basically every other character whose core issues and characterization was all present in their intros, dungeons and even boss fights. Take Naoto for example, her love of childish tv shows and such is directly reflected in her dungeon design and even the set-up for her boss fight, and it's brought up again in her social link. Same with Chie and Yukiko and Rise and Yosuke and Teddie.
So you're telling me they broke that formula they set up for themselves in characterization for Kanji and just happened to omit all the social-link stuff like his knitting and crafts for no reason? Despite all of the subtext of his dungeon and shadow (and, in the case of his boss fight, just text) pointing to him wrestling with his sexuality, not his hobbies or interests?

He's only ever attracted to Naoto, whom he and everyone else thought was a boy (so I would assume she's pretty boyish looking)

>gay people are often overly masculine
>therefore all overly masculine people are gay
that's a stretch and you know it

It's not that being called an idiot or retard hurts my feelings.
No, it's that these people are convinced that they're being so cool and superior for calling others retards, when really if anything it shows that they're brainlets because they can't enforce their opinions without making personal remarks.
The thing that offends me is that they're showing themselves to be idiots but think they're more intelligent than others. That's what's truly sad in a way.

And yet is still interested in them despite them not being a dude
The insecurities aren't even rooted in sexuality but in masculinity.
To the west, a bathhouse is seen as an exclusively gay thing
In Japan they are a communal location not just tied in with sexual promiscuity like in the west, but also with organized crime and tradition. Those last two things are highly masculine in Japan, meaning the location of his dungeon goes deeper then
>HURF DURF GAY BATHHOUSE!
but into the intermingling of masculinity and sexuality, and how that can be a confusing and complex thing, especially for a teenager trying to find themselves.

From his perception Naoto was a guy, and he was in love with a guy. That means that he's at the very least bi.

Kanji being gay at least has been a position that's been pushed ever since the game came out. The Naoto thing is very new and is entirely a result of current politics.

is that why you are so angry and aggressive?
because you are insecure?

What do I have to be insecure about, user?
Those people are obviously insecure about being gay or seen as gay.

They're both retarded

But by that same logic, he stayed with Naoto despite not being a guy. Meaning at most he is bi.

The difference is one is simply misinterpreting themes and the other is trying to push current politics on the past.

If those people want a faggot so much why don't they play persona 2?

>From his perception Naoto was a guy
Which is why he obviously thought he might be a fag. But turns out, he was actually attracted to a girl all along. Keep up; it's not that complicated.

Your the aggressive one, you tell me?
Maybe you aren't as gay and progressive as you want to be?
Maybe you have some deep dark urges that you desperately are trying to hide?
Maybe you just aren't a good person?

It's you're.
And I retaliate with aggression when others are aggressive towards me. That's just how I am.
I'm sure I have many insecurities but none of the ones you've mentioned.

Gay shit happens around Kanji after his dungeon.
Maybe he's just Gaahl and just "likes the male aesthetic".

>What do I have to be insecure about, user?
>I'm sure I have many insecurities
hmmm

I could be wrong but I think Japan DID paint him as actually being gay, while in the English localization, he's just confused. Ultimately, I think him being confused works better for a more complex character arc because it's not nearly as straightforward as him ending up gay. , at least when it comes to the way it is handled in P4. In Kanji's case, the struggle of him being gay boils down to little more than "NOOOOO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW I'M GAY!" but with him being confused, it results in him questioning his identity as a whole due to the social pressures of acting masculine. He's straight but his attraction to Naoto makes him question himself because at the time, he still thinks she's a boy. Not to mention his hobbies and interests are more feminine which makes society question him and it piles onto his still developing sexuality which leads him to question himself. That uncertainty is mirrored in his dungeon with everything being gay as fuck because he himself is caving to what society thinks of him and struggling with his more feminine aspects despite being a straight male.

It's a much more interesting arc for him to be straight in the end because it leans harder on social stigmas and pressures (something which is a huge focus of Persona games) and plays counter to stereotypes, rather than into them, which is what happens if Kanji actually DOES turn out to be gay. Not to mention, nobody in the game actually cares if he were gay (save for Yosuke but only because he's an idiot and thinks everything Kanji does is to hit on him) and they even say that to his face so it waters down the conflict and makes the entire arc a non-issue.

he likes naoto
naoto is a girl
he is just a straight dude that likes to make dolls and fuck tomboys

t. didn't play Persona 2
He was under Nyarly's control

Confused. He might turn out to be gay, he might not be, but ultimately that's not really what he's actually bothered by/cares about.

Kanji doesn't have meaning baka.

Only gay for Yu

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Yeah, except that continued attraction is present AFTER the writers decided not to make Kanji gay.
The argument here is the 'Kanji' that was intended by the writers before he accepts his Shadow is a different character entirely from the one after he accepts his Shadow. The basic argument here is that Kanji was originally meant to be written as gay and they pulled back halfway through and tried to jerry-rig all the signals and characterization and development into something else

My point is that this person's insecurity is directly tied towards the topic at hand (he's insecure that Kanji may be gay and it makes him retaliate in anger) and is his reason for getting so aggressive to the point of calling others idiots and retards.
You've yet to link any insecurities I may have to the topic at hand (Kanji being gay or not) which means my aggression has yet to be proven to be linked to my insecurities and is, as i said earlier, because I retaliate with aggression when others are aggressive towards me.

By that logic Rise is a stripper.

>Shadows are generally evil that say they're you're TRUE self in order to make you discouraged and depressed
>All of Tumblr: WOW THIS SHADOW SURE SEEMS TRUSTWORTHY BETTER LISTEN TO HIM

>Yeah, except that continued attraction is present AFTER the writers decided not to make Kanji gay.
WTF does that even mean. He was never gay, so of course nothing changed about his heterosexual attraction to a girl.

I like how no one talks about Yukiko's shadow or dungeon.
Poor little Yukiko.

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Yeah the whole point of the shadow is to take a concept and twist it to be hypberolic. Kanji likes things associated with girls. The hyperbolic way to twist that is being gay.

Fucking hell. Why is it so hard for these faggots to understand that representation should be proportional to population? Few transmen in media? That's because there are few in reality. And assuming I am wrong, that transmen are truly underrepresented in media in comparison to reality, then let fucking transmen CREATE them, don't appropriate them. Who fucking cares if Naoto isn't trans, if you like the character then that's enough.

Play Persona 4 Golden and tell me Kanji isn't gay, sweetie.

TV World is also formed of the preconceptions of those around Inaba. Rumours of kanji being queer go around, Shadow Kanji and the domain affected by him escalate that aspect.
It's why midnight channel Namatame was so uncharacteristically antagonistic, because the IT thought he was the killer

because it was honestly stupid, she felt pressured by the fact that she would be inheriting her family business, that's completely fucking normal and pretty uninteresting

He just knows reverse traps are always the best kind of girls

Except the question is whether the writers wanted to make him gay, either decided or were told to make him straight after the fact to avoid audience backlash or alienation, and had to try to recontextualize all the shit they already wrote in a different way.

You're forgetting the fact that the things you see in the TV world are formed around how people see the person, not just the person himself

Shadows aren't evil, what the fuck are you talking about? They ARE your true self.
That's why you get into a fight with them every time the person says "YOURE NOT ME," because you're basically rejecting yourself.
They're only defeated when you come to accept them and what they represent. Yosuke accepts that he really doens't like Inaba, Chie accepts that she does dominate Yukiko a bit and enjoys the dependency Yukiko has for her, Yukiko accepts that she doesn't want to be constrained or trapped to her Inn, Rise accepts that she does like being a sex symbol and Idol, etc.
At what point are they ever considered to be evil? The person who owns the Shadow generally doesn't like that because they are inherently the parts of that person that are being repressed

My new theory is that Tumblr is full of people that have all "accepted" their shadow selves and that's why they're all depressed and ready to die.

The Midnight channel was weird. IT was cool but weird.
Basically it is the cognitive realm but it has this added aspect of being able to reflect what people are thinking in their hearts. So on one hand, it is someone's Shadow, but it's simultaneously also the thoughts of people about others, not just a person's thoughts about themselves

>that Naoto

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You seem to know a lot about the people who frequent tunblr.
'Takes one to know one', as they say.

Well part of Persona, in a very Eastern way, is accepting yourself and then also changing yourself to some degree.
But then you had that weirdo incel kid who was trying to hit on Yukiko who accepts his Shadow but decides that there's nothing wrong with being a boring, personalityless dickhead

Literal fag.

I fucking hate people that say Naoto is trans and Kanji is gay, not only would it completely undermine their story arcs if those were true, you'd be enforcing the fucking stereotypes they represent, so only fags can like girly things and only men can work in male dominated roles

Based on what? His characterization is coherent from start to finish.

Naoto pleases old fat bald men for free!

It would only really undermine Naoto’s. Kanji’s works whether his shadow represents his gay feelings or his anxiety over being seen as gay

He isn't gay he just likes to knit

Based on him showing no interest in girly things prior to it being brought up in his Shadow Acceptance
Compare that to how every other character’s issues are more directly shown prior to their shadow acceptance and boss fight, including their hobbies and interests.
Hence all the stuff about being afraid of girls or having girly interests basically comes out of nowhere at his Shadow Acceptance