>despises the Soviet Union because of how the "parasites" would cease dissent by murdering those who held ideologically opposed viewpoints to them.
>Literally does the same thing in Rapture by killing and imprisoning anyone who doesn't agree with him
lol
> Still manages to be one of the greatest vidya characters
Excessive freedom is degenerate. Ryan was an anarcho-socialist with heavy authoritarian influences.
Ryan ending up being a hypocritical hack kinda is big part of the backstory.
Libertarianism always leads to fascism, its the only way for it to work in the end
Andrew Ryan is an objectivist
le horseshoe theory face
It was LITERALLY never tried though since it requires the abscence of a state and coercion, also fascism is essentialy corporatism which doesn't work well with the whole liberty thing you know.
>lying
The "Parasites" he despised were poorfags who wanted handouts
Letting everyone run wild cancels out "the liberty thing" by default, yes. Because what you get is a dog eats dog situation, where the most ruthless, corrupt and etc. quickly accumulate a vast amount of money and power, steamroll everybody else, and then start fighting each other. This is why pretty much all animal societies have strict social rules their members have to adhere to.
>fighting
That's the whole point of the nap that's supposed to be enforced by private police and individuals. You can do anything at all as long as it does not involve coercion.
>private police
Thats called a gang user.
But that's genuinely wrong.
He despises the soviet union because communism promotes the parasite lifestyle where workers and intellectuals alike do not compete to provide the best render or production value but would rather just sit down lazy and do the bare minimum, while demanding for the state to provide for them.
If it doesn't involve coercion there is no problem, the problem is when a police force asks your for money and if you don't pay they arrest you and if you don't accept the arrest order you get shot and killed and everyone thinks this is normal because "that's the way it is bro"
>you get shot and killed
I don't think this actually happens
The game's take on all this was informed by the real-world notion of the time period the game was set in that poor people were inherently lazy and undeserving of better jobs and pay. It's actually still a prevailing attitude that survives largely due to the massive social disconnect between the rich and the poor. In the game this played out by Rapture falling because neither side understood or cared about the other, so when shit went south it went hard and fast and fucked up everything for everyone.
Want to tell us where he says that?
Because I only remember his complaint being 'They take what isn't theirs' same as everyone else
Tax evasion is a crime
Resisting arrest is a crime
What happens to someone if the police can't arrest because the person is resisting?
Aggravated sentence and a search warrant.
Certainly not death.
>Police can shoot to kill if they “reasonably” fear for their lives or the safety of others
Are you American by any chance? Because in the civilised world cops shooting a bullet, or injuring someone with a gunshot is a very serious situation that will be taken to court 100%
Anarcho-anything is retarded as fuck. It denies basic human nature and thus dooms itself to failure.
who'd win?
>a selfmade multimillionaire
>some mick gangster who became a bible smuggler?
You're not taking in consideration the following: Taxation is agression, no one is entitled to another person production, i if voluntary worked for someone to make money i own that money and not some state that has a monopoly on force and offers useless services that i have no interest. Taking another person's property using coercion is slavery and if you try to defend yourself ie. "attack the person trying to punish you for not giving your property" you will either be shot or kidnapped.
>Taxation is agression
well he found out the hard why stalin purged
>if you don't pay they arrest you and if you don't accept the arrest order you get shot and killed and everyone thinks this is normal because "that's the way it is bro"
No? Maybe this happens in 3rd world shithole such as the USA but in any developed country people have rights.
You're in big shit if you kill somebody as a cop in my country. The police is there to enforce the law, keep order and make sure citizens are safe, they're not there to shoot you on sight because you jaywalked you retarded faggot.
Try to describe taxation without describing theft
you can leave the country
>mfw all these political terms and isms being thrown around
>mfw people taking a videogame plot seriously
Reminder that Ryan did nothing wrong.
How do you propose to pay for military and national security, the most basic of collective needs, without some forms of taxation?
What is character development
The absolute state of Rapture disagrees with you there.
Rent that your landlord (country) imposes on you for living there
a levy to fund common infrastructure
wouldn't make much of a video game otherwise
i still wait for a detailed explanation as to why Adam Slugs can only work with little girls as hosts
even having Fontaine/Ryan or whoever just outright say that little girls are more marketable would’ve worked for me honestly
That was the collectivists doing.
>It was LITERALLY never tried
Dozens of documented failed lolbertarian experiments just a google search away. Even some of the most harmonious cities failed to implement libertarianism in a way that made their lives better.
Bioshock's story is political, what else is there to discuss?
Libertarians hate the police and the military, but love the idea of corporate militarized police that doesn't even have to follow the law.
No matter how you spin it, libertarianism always ends up with fascists ruling over everyone else.
I thought that it was more of an availability of little girls who wouldn't be missed (in addition to them being more mentally pliable) then the little girls actually being more suitable. I thought they were all orphans.
By existing within a nation's borders you agree to the contract established by the country's tax code to offer a portion of your overall worth to enable the governmental infrastructure to maintain a general level of quality of life for both yourself and your neighbours. You're free to fuck off into the bushlands of Africa or build a seastead on international waters whenever you want to avoid taxation.
>fuck shit up
>take zero responsibility and accountability
>muh collectivists
It's the same in my country. Even firing some warning shots is a big deal here, to the point the cop gets on the evening news. A few months ago, a cop used his police car to block an escaping motorcyclist and the guy got injured in the collision. The case immediately went to court to evaluate whether this use of power was justified and proportional.
Is that service required by someone?
Why shouldn't it exist if no one requires it?
There you go, if you want to keep militaries and security they shouldn't be maintained with stolen money but voluntary given one
Rent is voluntary, i don't use services like public healthcare or agree to freely give my production to people that don't even know me
Since everyone used the love it or leave argument we can all say at the very least that the existence of a coercitive organzation with monopoly of violence is imoral but "the total happiness in the world increased" right? I your husband rapes you why not move? If you get mugged by the mob why not move?
>Is that service required by someone?
Yes? Security is the most basic of human needs right after food.
Where can a person legally go to that will not tax them?
This is your brain on the Free Market Koolaid.
>stolen money
all US currency belongs to the US government, dumbass
allowing other people to keep it without interference is often beneficial for them, but fundamentally they have the moral right to reclaim any amount of it at any time for any reason
their platform, their rules
go find some circlejerking fedora to pay you in shitcoin if you don't like it
You can settle in some hellhole where the central authority has completely collapsed, like in parts of Somalia or Afghanistan. The government won't bother you with taxes there.
Of course, you'll end up getting robbed and gutted like a fish in like three days, but at least you'll be safe from government taxes.
>Is that service required by someone?
Are you literally 10?
Little orphan girl going missing in those days wouldn't bat a single eye.
Most would assume she ran off to be a whore.
>a coercitive organzation with monopoly of violence is immoral
Not inherently.
>but "the total happiness in the world increased" right?
I'm assuming you mean that as long as the coercive monopoly abides by their obligations, they're justified for existing and interacting with you. I generally agree to this.
>If your husband rapes you why not move? If you get mugged by the mob why not move?
I mean you can try to kill them, but running away is an option. If only there was some kind of governing body or a larger coercive body that could establish a baseline of societal rules and mores that you could go to in order to address your grievances with the offender, but not in ancapistan.
>There you go, if you want to keep militaries and security they shouldn't be maintained with stolen money but voluntary given one
I'm assuming you are saying "state-wide military and security should be paid for via donations." to which i say that can only possibly work on a local level with people you are intimately familiar with.
Human nature being what it is, a guy in the north usually doesnt give two shits about the people a few miles south.
And you think your local gangs and warlords will give a shit that they shouldn't coerce you because it infringes your libertarian rights? If some asshole with a private army decides that he wants all your money, your belongings, and for you to serve as his slave in the nearest uranium mine, there's precisely nothing you can do about it in your libertarian paradise.
>all US currency belongs to the US government, dumbass
Daily reminders that all libertarians lack empathy and their ideology only leads to a "kill or be killed" culture
>Libertarianism always leads to fascism
So I'm guessing the US was a fascist state until FDR and the FED saved us?
The US has never been a libertarian state. Not even the staunchest libertarian ideologues think otherwise.
>No NFA
>No FED
>No anti-discrimination laws
>No income tax
>All drugs legal
Rolling back 100 years of policy is a radical libertarian position.
north korea
even if it was a farce, Sofia Lamb had the better idea
Capitalism is theft, taxes are rendering some of the stolen wages back to society so as to benefit the workers who generated the profit in the first place instead of the capitalist class.
How's the literacy rate going? Unless you can prove that taxing the rich is helpful in and of itself all money that goes to the state is wasted.