Phoenix Point Now Epic Store Exclusive

Wait what choice is Julian providing Mr Shill? On launch you can only purchase from Epic's store

literally nobody here give a fuck about this game until this whole fiasco flared up

rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/phoenix-point-the-next-game-from-x-com-creator-julian-gollop.107625/page-159

>Game has a 150+ page thread on RPGCodex

Wrong

probably not Jake's call. But Take 2 isn't exactly a small indie studio that would prefer to take a guaranteed lump sum over continued sales from an established customer base, especially considering how well XCOM EU and 2 did

Well, he did say HERE. He's sort of right, the game has had basically no traction on Yea Forums. Even when the few backer builds got released it only had like a handful of threads talking about it, tops.

WE REDNER GROUP SHILLS UP IN HERE BABBY

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just because it was fairly minor here doesn't mean no one cared about it.

>therednergroup.com/
>trg focuses on the consumer electronics, consumer technology and video game industries. As passionate early adopters, we understand the competitive marketplace and can translate our industry knowledge into actionable results that drive brand awareness.
Absolutely disgusting

think about it. that would mean this is the perfect place for shills to shill. like any other big game, they NEED people who don't usually play x series -- or don't play games at all -- to buy it in order for more profit so they can give paychecks to their shareholders. they hate it when you know about their doings and goals

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Man, the resident Epic shill is fucking seething after the Halo news.

It's the free market, commies. Epic had a better deal in this case (guaranteed sales). Deal with it lmao, what they're doing isn't illegal. Maybe Valve should be more competitive, such as reducing their cut (which Epic did on top of guaranteed sales).

UH OH.........

ARE THE SHILLS ABANDONING THREAD BECAUSE THEY WERE CALLED OUT?

UH OH.........
youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6792B0Vs4

And the resident steam shills are jumping around like apes throwing shit

Gave up on Ape Legend though, huh, Valve drone?

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I cared. The corpse formerly known as /xgc/ cared. It's not exactly the kind of game that would have a million threads created about it before release, but it would still remain in the back of the minds of the modest amount of people who cared about the genre.

FUCKING LOL THIS IS THE ROUTE YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE NOW?

>Maybe Valve should be more competitive, such as reducing their cut

But that wouldn't stop Epic from being able to moneyhat devs, so what exactly would that solve?

>so insecure of your nonargument that you had to mention that they are in fact not breaking the law

NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT

ANYONE THAT OPPOSES STEAM MUST BE DESTROYED

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This is the route that devs are taking, yes, including Ubisoft.
*dabs*

>But that wouldn't stop Epic from being able to moneyhat devs, so what exactly would that solve?

That wouldn't matter if sales of games on Steam were healthy, wouldn't it?

>People keep saying it's Steam vs Epic
>When Epic's bullshit stopped the game from getting released on GOG too
You shitposters need new material to account for this

Reminder that asking polite questions literally causes every single shill to self-destruct since they never trained for that.

I didn't know Yea Forums was full of developers.

HEY MOTHERFUCKERS, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE ACTION GAME WITH DEVIL MAY CRY GAMEPLAY AND SENRAN KAGURA CHARACTER DESIGNS THAT I WANT SO MUCH?

Who else pulled decided to ask for a refund? Gonna pirate the game afterward. I'm never backing a kickstarter ever again.

No -- I meant the childish, "this isn't illegal" nonesense. Of course it isn't illegal. Everyone knows. I'm just calling you out because you're setting up this post for samefagging or for other shills to agree upon when they reply.

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They can't since it goes against their narrative, this actually hurts smaller stores the most.

Twitch viewers are literally people who aren't playing the game

I didn't back due to circumstances at the time, but it's the one game I would've broken my never ever stance for. Guess it's a good thing I didn't.

There's already Degrees of Lewdity.

People here seem to think they're violating some trust law by having exclusive deal. The sun is setting on Steam, especially after they've been incredibly ambiguous and contradictory on porn games.
>bans games because they have a school setting
The games are being judged inappropriate by people who don't even play the games while Gabe sits in his VR cuckshed ignoring the rising fire. This is the future you chose.

>Phoenix Point
Who? What?

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There's no point in arguing with him. Everything he posts is wrong but it doesn't matter

Bro no one cares about GOG, especially devs. I want to buy modern games on GOG but look at this shit. What's the problem here with updating games on GOG? So many devs, it can't all just be a coincidence. What is GOG doing to make updating harder?
gog.com/forum/general/games_that_treat_gog_customers_as_second_class_citizens_v2

>The sun is setting on Steam, especially after they've been incredibly ambiguous and contradictory on porn games.
Alright now I'm pretty convinced you're a shill or just shitposting. Nobody actually believes Steam is dying because porn games unless you're some shitty journalist

WHAT'S UPPPPPPPPP REDNER GROUP SHILLS
therednergroup.com/

WHO'S UR FAVE IM@S GIRL?

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RIP to this game then. Epic is a death sentence, everything going to their store is bombing hard. Shame, it looked cool.

>Twitch viewers are literally people who aren't playing the game

Guess all those people are playing Artifact, huh?

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China paid for my game purchase. There's nothing wrong with pirating all epic exclusives, based china

Sets a precedent and erodes trust. People were hailing Steam as a renaissance for porn games and Jap games in general until they cucked out. Posting those edits with Sengoku Rance on sale and saying "SOON THIS WILL BE REALITY."

>everything going to their store is bombing hard

Explain Satisfactory being in alpha only on Epic Store and being on the top 10?

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Those are extremely niche games, dude, cimpared to the stuff you're thinking about.

therednergroup.com/

This. Steam can't make up its mind. Why put your porn game on Steam if there's a huge chance of it being removed in case someones on their period (or dialation) at Valve?

Meanwhile, you have a clear idea of what Epic Store allows.

>guaranteed sales

u wot

Literally no one is using Epic or buying anything from them. Every game going there is flopping massively.

The only erosion was allowing that garbage in the store to begin with

>clear idea of what Epic Store allows
KEK invasive chinese?

therednergroup.com/

Why are you so obsessed with that game?

>Literally no one is using Epic or buying anything from them. Every game going there is flopping massively.

Proof?

This. Erosion of quality control and a degradation of moral integrity.

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Stop defending Valve's inconsistent policies.

What are you even trying to say?

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Which now has left Steam with black eyes, doesn't matter how you slice it.

Fake image.

Why do you talk on a subject you know nothing about? The devs said that they get guaranteed sales (a lump sum of cash to cover however many copies they fall short of) as part of the contract.

Why isn't Valve?

>271 in game

It's clear that blue-haired trannies are controlling what's allowed and what's not on steam. why are you guys defending it?

>people literally arguing about which store to buy their digital products from
When will you losers learn

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>every game on epic bombs like artifact
Kek.

Still more than Artifact

>MOooooOoOOOooooOOm my indie game I've been developing for years didn't get put on the front page of Steeeeaaaammmmmmmm!
>What do you MEAN I needed to also get a user base interested in playing the game? Steam is supposed to do all my advertising for me! Fuck Steam and how they sell WEEB GAMES NOW!

Yes and? It doens't change the fact that both bombed.

I showed you Satisfactory hit 20k viewers a couple days ago when alpha keys were released

And what were Artifact's numbers leading up to release? Both are dead on arrival and nothing is different. What point are you trying to make?

artifact hit 50-100k when it was released but it at least had a few thousand for a few weeks after launch
factory shit bombed down to 200 in a few days. it's the biggest blunder I've seen in a while.

Give it till the games early access release because I'm gonna own you both

>lose 99% of viewers in a couple of days
YIKES, OOF, OUCH, JEEPERS, CRIKEY, CRIMINY, ZOINKS, UH-OH.

*dabs twice* Uh oh, you activated my TRAP card *reveals thanos wearing the infinity glove*

What Epic is doing happens all the fucking time. Ace Combat 7 was supposed to launch with VR missions, but Sony paid for year of exclusivity on the PSVR so PC got cucked.

How pathetic. A game, that you have nothing to do with, is gonna make you feel some enjoyment in life. Hell a game you yourself haven't played either and probably never will. Go back to arguing with the steam drones you pathetic subhuman.

Get in their discord and inform them that you're going to be pirating the game on release instead of buying it. It gets the resident shills extremely agitated.

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It was literally a single variety streamer carrying and the game died in 2 days and it's common knowledge that there's a huge sponsorship network going for any game coming out nowdays, when will you retarded zoomer ass stop treating twitch stream numbers as indicative of anything?

>even if everyone refunded, they still are profiting

"dabs on all the losers not having any sex"

Have fun when gaben cant pay the bills and revokes all your game access ;)

But you are a steam drone

It gets even worse.
>Metro Exodus has 92 viewers
NINETY FUCKING TWO. And this was Epic's ace up their sleeve?
Holy fuck. It's like every single game on the Epic store becomes the new Tortanic.
We'll be looking back at these blunders as one of the biggest failures in gaming history, and all the devs attached with it will have their reputations stained for eternity.
God, I can't wait.

>>even if everyone refunded, they still are profiting

This. Will Valves shills ever win?

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>new Tortanic
to be fair, that's not a good comparison since Tortanic ended up making a bunch of money after they went ftp and started whale hunting

Which is most likely what Epic is going to do once they realize fartnite zoomzooms don't buy games.

>dab on discord trannies who only use steam to erp
>still make more money than you would have selling the game on a store where a jew takes 30% of your money just "because".

Sounds like someone is a bit mad.

Steam is glorified spyware along with every other launcher you absolute fucktard. Why the fuck would I ever install any launcher that has access to my information?
You're completely dense and english is definitely your second language. No actual human being would type
>But you are a steam drone
What the fuck does this even mean?

they're already doing that.

with Fortnite.

If it makes you feel any better there's only 3 VR missions and it's not really worth your time because you'll just wind up being disappointed afterward.

The approximately 2 million people on the planet who actually care about Metro already played on console or pirated it, and since it's a single player game with little replay value, there's no reason to watch it. It basically flopped anyway.

>You're completely dense and

YOU'RE COMPLETELY DENSE AND DUH DUH DA DA DUR DUR

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At least Project Wingman has full VR support and isn't on a rushed dev cycle.

>Epic "lands" a kikestarted x-com clone no one ever heard of
>meanwhile Steam gets the whole Halo franchise without even lifting a finger
lamo

I can see when a new ip replies to me retard. Nice try though.

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>Halo
>relevant
fucking millennials

This. Steam won. XCOM 3 will be on Steam too since the devs insist on having the workshop support anyway.

I'd heard of it and was initially excited because it's got Julian Gallop himself on board, and will be using time units.

Fuck this though, I'll pirate it if it's decent. If not, there's always Xenonauts 2.

It doesn't matter, sucks for the backers and i understand why they're angry, but, i, an intellectual with a galaxy brain, did not back or preorder the game, and i will simply pirate it when it comes out, and if it's good, i'll buy it on sale a year later when it comes to Steam.

Heh, nothing personal shills.

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Never heard of these guys.

Is it such a big deal if devs stop using steam though? Seems like the same thing to me.

what will happen to epic store once the kids are tired of fortnight dancing

There's nothing wrong with moneyhatting devs. Don't be a poorfag.

The problem is when they advertise that you can either get the game for GOG or for Steam and then go back on it and only allow it on one store. Nobody would be as mad if they still had it on GOG but they just had to keep it exclusive.

am I a new ip?

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>new ip
no, there will never be another

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Jullian Gollop(pictures here on the left, with Giga Chad Jake Solomon, creator of Nu-Com on the right) is the man that created Xcom, Phoenix Point was supposed to be the return of "true" Xcom, so that's why people cared, and by people i mean Xcom people, no one else cares. In this specific case though, the big issue is that this is a kickstarter(or fig, or indiegogo, or something) game, and backers were promised that the game would be on Linux and sold on Steam and Gog, but now the devs threw all that into the trash because Epic gave them a quadshitzillion dollary doos. So Backers are understandably pretty pissed and refunding, but according to devs in their discord, even if all backers refund they still have a mountain of cash from Epic, so it doesn't matter.
As for the Epic store, i haven't really followed the drama, but i know it has no user reviews, forums, or regional pricing, and until recently getting refunds from them was a nightmare, personally i'll stop having a problem with Epic once they get User Reviews of some kind, and Forums. The whole Chinese Tencent getting all my information doesn't really matter to me, everything is a botnet or whatever now, Google and Amazon and all the jews already have all my info anyway.

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I guess? I mean, I understand people get upset about things I don't care about. Maybe if I backed the thing and was a diehard GOG/Steam fan I would be like that too.

I got fucking baited into this joke 10/10

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Thing is stuff like that only happens between PC and consoles.
And most people hate that shit, but consolewarriors lap it up.

Now Epic swoops in and does it within the PC platform itself, no consoles needed. And that get's a big fuck you from me.

Those people who backed have no reason to be upset. Kickstarters are not legally obligated to deliver on all their promises. They deserved to be ripped off if they're so gullible.

>even if all backers refund they still have a mountain of cash from Epic, so it doesn't matter.
It kinda matters when the game is niche and has niche fans. Without them they will have nothing.

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based Jake

There have been at least six of these fucking threads today alone, not including the deleted duplicates. Over 3 thousand fucking posts. I bet your question is already answered in the archives.

Well, i agree with "They deserved to be ripped off if they're so gullible" because kickstarting and preordering in CURRENT YEAR, is extremely stupid, But i think they have plenty reason to be upset if the devs took their money to make the game and basically get a contract with Epic, and then told them "you and your money means jackshit to us now that we have Daddy Epic, fuck off"

>you can get this game DRM-free if you back it!
>lol nevermind

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Literally no one is on the Epic Store at all because no one plays Fortnite on PC. It is all kids and teens on console and mobile. 100% of the playerbase of Fortnite has never had to interact with the Epic Store in any way.

it doesn't matter for this game, but it will for the next one

Well according to what i've seen people say the devs said(i'm not on the discord so i have no clue if any of this is true or it's just shitposting that people are parroting), apparently the deal with Epic had something like a "guaranteed number of sales" clause or some shit, so it's like Epic told them "you'll sell at least 500k copies, and if you only sell 250k copies, we'll give you cash for the other 250k copies you didn't sell", so they lose all goodwill and loyalty from their backers, and all the backers that felt betrayed wouldn't buy the game, or a sequel. But as far as this game is concerned, they pretty much won already.

No one would be switching to Epic without being paid off to do so. They will get zero sales there. It is a bitcoin miner and botnet, no one smart would ever install that virus on their machine and no one is buying from it. Every single game that has take deal has bombed completely there.

>100% of the playerbase of Fortnite has never had to interact with the Epic Store in any way.

Three of these games weren't free

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Pissing off part of your existing playerbase in a somewhat niche genre isn't much of a longterm strategy.

Financially they won but I don't think it's a good thing in a long term for the devs. It's also shows us that they don't trust their own product to sell.

>It's also shows us that they don't trust their own product to sell.

Why would they expect their game to sell on Steam?

I mean it might be lucky to sell 300 copies - though I will be generous and say 3000 copies - was it worth it for the "principles"?

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Isn't that obvious? You people on this thread repeating over and over about how niche the genre is. Any sales at all will be a win for them.

Correct, either the ones that made the call to sell out to Epic are retarded, greedy, or ignorant to what's been going on with Epic buying out exclusivity.

The guy looks like he's about to drop dead, I don't think he cares about the long term.

It's pure, short sighted greed. None of these people signing with Epic have any long term business sense whatsoever as they are completely killing off their games and future sales. The game will sell absolutely nothing on Epic because no one uses it. And they could have easily made double what they were paid on the sales they could have made on Steam and GOG.

>game isn't selling on steam
>"should we diversify our game fronts and sell it on multiple stores?"
>"nah, let's keep it as an exclusive and never bring it to other audiences"

HMMMMMMM

The whole Epic fiasco has made me realize how important what Gaben said 64 years ago was when he said "Piracy is a service problem", i sometimes buy games on Steam simply because it's more convenient than pirating them. But with Epic, i have no reason to not pirate their garbage. I mean, Gaben fell to the Dark Side in the end but still.

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>>And they could have easily made double what they were paid on the sales they could have made on Steam and GOG.

>Keep in mind that we knew there would be backlash. We knew there would be refunds. If we had to refund 100% of currently pre-orders, we'd still be in the black.

Wrong

because the vast majority of the fanbase they're hoping to appeal to is already on Steam

I dunno, maybe because that other store that gives you more sales (in any form) requires you to sign for exclusivity?

the entire game was made to bank off of nu-XCOM's success, the entire operation has reeked of greed from the start.

>because the vast majority of the fanbase they're hoping to appeal to is already on Steam

And if they can't find the game, the game is fucked.

Now you see the problem

bleedingcool.com/2018/03/16/nintendo-switch-sales-save-blossom-tales-devs-from-shutting-down/

>#NintendoSwitch community is a blessing! #BlossomTales is now a turnaround story: Humble indie dev @castlepixel can stay in business and continue making games. Love y’all! 3 months #Switch revenues surpass #Steam lifetime revenues 20 times!

Steam used to be the cure all to indies - now it's the death rattle for them these days. This studio would have died if not for the Switch port.

>None of these people signing with Epic have any long term business sense
Pretty much this, this is why the devs going with Epic are always smaller companies or devs you've never heard of. The only big company that sided with Epic so far was Ubisoft, but that's inconsequential since they have UPlay and anyone that wants to play the Division is going to buy it and play it through Uplay, so they pretty much just got free cash from Epic.

>implying I'm gonna read through hundreds of archives meticulously until I happened to find someone answering the exact question that I have
Heh, no thanks buddy. I'd rather have you slave away and answer it for me. Now get to work bitch

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>Steam used to be the cure all to indies
Well, back then there were no indie titles on consoles.

We've had quite a few threads about this game on Yea Forums. Not an ongoing general, but Xcom has its fans.

It's a niche but loyal fanbase with many having been with it since the X-COM games. Shooting them in the back and yourself in the foot is just dumb.

Fuck that shit. Spamboy there has been at it for over 12 hours, and I'm sure he'll put up more of this shit tomorrow. Your answer will be floating along like the turd that it is eventually.

the target fanbase was certainly aware of this game well before this announcement was made. It was fully funded through crowdfunding, and likely would've done pretty decently, looking at similar games like Battletech and nu-XCOM itself. Moving to the Epic Store is only hurting it. Sure, they get their nice minimum sales guarantee, but what about their next game? Will Epic shell out a big fat check after this one flops? Will XCOM fans be forgiving when they come limping back to Steam or GOG or wherever?

Immediate guaranteed profit and stability is nice, but it's nothing compared to long-term goodwill from the people who want to buy your game.

>industry is now a company funneling the cash from one massive game to make other companies release their game on a platform no one uses to die forgotten

PC indies had to sell their games in retail - yes, even early 2000's or sell them on their own website

XBLA changed all that, especially with the spotlighted games like Braid. Braid which appeared in 2008, wouldn't make it to Steam till 2009

To be honest, it's kind of a bad game, but it was mega popular and showed what a curated store (both early XBLA and early Steam) could do for an indie game.

It's owned by the Chinks and the client contains botnet spyware and bitcoin miners. If you download it, your PC will be compromised. If you make an account and attach any personal or payment information to it, it will be stolen because there is no account or transaction security on it at all. No refunds, reviews, or other consumer friendly features either. Don't ever trust Tencent, they belong to the Chinese government and are trying to spy on you. They have an army of their mindless insectoids who have been spamming shill threads here for months and one particularly mentally ill one who takes his job very personally that stands out above the rest due to his highly assmad posting style is even in this very thread. They are a cancer killing games and a blight on this board.

It's niche but it's still profitable, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten XCOM 2. But still, fucking around the only people who buy your game is bad for business.

Tell me why this is a good thing, epic shills.

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Not that profitable if they needed a fucking kickstarter. I doubt they had any choice when Epic slapped them with a gajillion dollars.

It's not good. It's irrelevant.

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>Not that profitable if they needed a fucking kickstarter
That's irrelevant. They're indie with nobody to back them while Firaxis has daddy 2K.

>its steams fault that retards dont know their target audince and thus cant advertise their game properly.

>The guy looks like he's about to drop dead

That's just what Brits look like.

That's the point. They didn't manage to get any investors to help them out. You think a $700k means anything? It's fucking chicken feed.

It kinda is Steam's fault.

>They didn't manage to get any investors to help them out.
I still going to disagree. Like the other user mention in this thread, this game was announced to bank off XCOM success in a timeline where XCOM was already proven to be a success. They could just slapped the whole "From the ORIGINAL creator of UFO X-Com games!" as the main selling point and investors can see what they were going for. They could went to, let's say, Paradox and they probably would be interested to fund it. Instead they opted for the KS route. I don't think that the lack of interest was their reason.

it's not Steam's job to advertise every single game on the platform to the exact right people who want to buy it.

>but what about their next game?
I don’t think Gollop cares. I think he’s planning to just retire off of Epics cash and leave the ‘company’ to someone else. I mean the rest of the ‘devs’ are Bulgarian, it’s not like the game was going to be good anyway.

Do you have an ounce of proof that it contains spyware or botnets or whatever buzzwords you have next?

Not that anom but EGS is a barebones storefront with zero community features and nothing to make it appealing to a consumer beyond the exclusives it has. Now defend that.

Not that user but googling "Epic Store Malware" and "Epic Store Spyware" comes up with a lot of results, one headline i read was that Google apparently revealed that the Epic Store had big security flaws and that Tim Sweeney or whatever guy got pissed and called Google irresponsible for disclosing this publicly.
I didn't bother to read anything else because i don't really care though.

Epic isn't going to fix all their problems for them, they have no intention of it. They only care about indie devs that are already well known and successful.

>it's not Steam's job to advertise every single game on the platform to the exact right people who want to buy it.

Then Steam has failed

It’s a storefront not an advertising agency your bait notwithstanding.

>It’s a storefront not an advertising agency your bait notwithstanding.

Then what do you call this?

Or their attempts to get you to use it?

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I get the feeling that was their first choice, which possibly failed.

That would be the very solution to the problem you claim exists on Steam, a tool that allows people to find lesser known games that might interest them. So Epic is once again claiming to fill a need that Steam had already perfectly filled years ago. If a dev wants a bigger spotlight on their game, the onus is on them to pay for advertisements for it elsewhere. Steam already goes well above and beyond what a store needs to for the products they sell.

To be fair, the backer build(i think it was backer build 3, or 4 that i played) was decent, it was janky and unpolished but that can be chalked up to the game being very unfinished. The gameplay it self was solid, so at the very least i think the game would be decent.

I don’t think Eurojank ever stops being Eurojank

There are too many bad games on Steam though

This is true, but i think it's nonsense to expect that to not be the case with Epic too down the line, just like Steam, Epic cares about money, not about you or the developers. Give them 10 years or however old Steam is right now, and they'll be filled with just as many shitty games as Steam is right now. Assuming of course that the Epic Store takes off.

Not an argument, that's just your opinion. Every game has an equal right to be on Steam if they worked to be there and laid the fees and it isn't Steam's fault at all if someone releases a game that doesn't stand out from the crowd and has no marketing. Steam does a hell of a lot to give every game an equal chance to show up on the front page when they release and when they get major content updates or go on sale. They needn't do anything more because beyond that it's just devs whining that their game isn't featured on the front page permanently.

>Give them 10 years or however old Steam is right now, and they'll be filled with just as many shitty games as Steam is right now.

GoG is 10 years old and doesn't have this problem

Careful curation can work

>And if they can't find the game, the game is fucked.
It takes less than 40 reviews for a game to hit trending new release. Look at this screenshot. This game has 38 reviews. The one below it has 80. You know how big the popular new release list is? It's fucking tiny. Astroneer is still on here despite releasing a month ago. Same for Kenshi, it came out in December. These games usually stay here for a minimum of a week or two as well. So you're telling me these devs were too incompetent with their indie games to rattle up THIRTY people who could write a review for their game just after it released? They just expected Steam to do ALL the heavy lifting for them? This isn't anything new either, the popular new release thing has been like this for quite a few years. Indie devs just don't build up a user base as they're making their game, then wonder why it flops, and then blame Steam for all their problems.

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Still. The Switch has proven that you don't need Steam. I honestly expect Switch/Epic Store only games in the future.

It can, but i don't think that's what Epic wants, i think Epic just wants to be Steam 2. I'm all for being proven wrong though, if Epic gets user reviews of some form, and maybe even forums, i'm in.

>Epic Store lasting 10 years

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Good joke, will be dead within 2 years. It's already a complete failure and Fornite's popularity is long gone, that game will be dead and forgotten by fall.

GOG is an extremely niche store catering to one specific type of customer, and moreover they are literally dying for it. All they have is a bunch of ancient games that don't have a growing consumer base. Their sales are dropping off massively because it isn't a sustainable curation, everyone who wanted their catalog of games has already purchased them by now and all the old games people still want for them will never be added because of various licensing hells. They don't have the variety and depth of selection to thrive into the future and it is most likely too late for them already as they just laid a bunch of people off and changed their regional pricing structure to penny pinch.

>and all the old games people still want for them will never be added because of various licensing hells
>Breath of Fire IV PC GoG release never
Maybe they'll get off their lazy asses and re-release that PC port to Steam or something one of these days. Fuck Capcom, on that note.

Based, you aren't a Steam drone like I usually argue with, and I could see those happening - reminder Steam didn't have user reviews for years

And then when Steam first added reviews, you could only leave really short, positve recommends. I remember leaving a negative positive review for Saints Row 3 for example, and had to go back and make it a negative review.

Not without Drumpf supporting Steam from shadows, like chinks support Epic.

>Every game has an equal right to be on Steam if they worked to be there

*removes hentai and rape day*

Steam has a curation process already - they just should keep do it more often

Well that stuff(and lack of regional pricing) are my only big issues with Epic, fix those and it's a decent store front/launcher, they fixed the Refund stuff so there is some hope. The whole it's owned by Tencent and Chink Insectoids stealing my info stuff, eh, i'm sure i have some Tencent crap on my PC already anyway, they probably have my info already, and so does every big company anyway.

This reads like a stealth shill post.

This

Thanks, i'm trying to get a job in Beijing.

While Epic is suspicious and scummy, if I was a indie studio with no game released yet, I would too eat up that amount of $ the moment opportunity would arise.
At least they still release on GoG.

I did. This is absolute bullshit and I'm pirating it now. Fuck Epic and Steam. I only backed it because GOG was a fucking option.

>Metro Exodus was free to download
fuck chinks.

I would agree with you if Phoenix Point wasn't a backer game, but since it is, i think it's pretty scummy and dickish of them, i didn't back the game, but if i had, i sure as hell would never trust these guys ever again.

>At least they still release on GoG.
Won't be on GoG until a full year after the release date, like Steam

>At least they still release on GoG.
after one year

It'll be polished by then

>Fund game through backers and claim it will be on these platforms
>Epic comes up to you and offers you a boatload of money to say fuck those guys who supported you for the past two years and literally made the game possible
>Say Yes
>Expect the community to regard you in any positive way
Epic is full of scumbags but Gallop is officially a total sellout cunt now. It won't be on GoG by the way. It is an Epic exclusive and that includes GoG.

the point of gog is to archive games in one easily available place with no server supported DRM.
Even if its only a year later, I will maybe buy it when its 70% off there.
I will pirate on release of course, fuck chink overlords.

Honestly the worst part about GoG is the patches

A fully patched up version of this game on GoG will be nice

>Removes slapdash troll games and games with porn about minors
Heavens forbid.

The question now is who Gollop is expecting to buy that game?
Oldfags that played original XCOM already backed or pulled out from disgust.
Fortnite kids from Epic Store?
I hope that exclusive money was worth it.

exactly this. this move paired with the "we'll still be in the black no matter what" statement really shows that the PP management doesn't give a damn about the people who paid for them to develop a game in the first place. "we got ours, don't like it? too bad faggots"

It's so obvious what Steam should do with curation that even Steam drones are blind to it:

If they can remove Rape Day, why not remove pic related?

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Julian said they would still profit if every single backer refunded. They don't give a single shit.

I didn't know the Epic Store was Steam exclusive

>I hope that exclusive money was worth it.
It was to him. It keeps his studio going for, as he said, several years, even off the bare minimum payment Epic will give them. He'll be retired by then, and he seriously won't give a shit. It was a fantastic positive for his company if he's telling the truth. They can do whatever the hell they want for "years", and even if they got barely any sales, they'd still be fine. Scummy as shit, but I guess he doesn't care about being human garbage.

Based.

>Oldfags that played original XCOM already backed or pulled out from disgust.
not me. I didn't back it because like any sane person, I need to see what it is before actually paying for it. If it's good, I'll gladly buy it on Epic Store if it's only available there, doesn't matter. In the meantime, I'll keep playing my nth playthrough of XPiratez.

At least Jake will never betray us.
>Remember that Xcom uses the Unreal engine

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I honestly can't wait for the shit show AMA tomorrow on reddit.

Let's be honest, it will be a bugged mess until GoG release or even longer.

>pc got mad from exclusive on pc .

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indeed, and I'll probably hold off buying until then.

Is that last shot a pic of Gaben? He looks like he turned into a Sith Lord or something.

the REAL X-com, not the shit that was labeled as such in past years

I understand that you consoletards are so used to be dicked over that you don't understand what's actually happening here.

2K/Take-Two are lowkey the greediest publisher, but they are also already absurdly rich and would rather have sales over a retarded one time payout that is lower than what they'd make on Steam copies sold.

We don't care about exclusives or not-exclusives as long as they have right support and functionality.
We are not troglodytes with buyers remorse.
Steam vs Epic is a issue outside of brand fanaticism, especially since game journos have taken a side.

Now this is real bait not like all the others

It's all about the lighting.
youtube.com/watch?v=tT3v5dd0SFU

Gabe Newell is no longer human, he now goes by the name Darth Obesus.

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XCOM 2 was shit and an insult.

This is what happens when greedy incompetent devs try to score on old legendary titles while having no talent. Phoenix Point is already times better.

>Switch has proven
Then go back to your cardboard box fag

Now this meld bait is real juicy.

>First Nu-Com has 94% overall review score
>Second Nu-Com has 81% overall review score
Huh, weird. Personally I preferred the second, but the first was good too, yeah. I liked the older games as well, but it's hard to go back to them for me now.

who would win?

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Best xcom is Apocalypse.

>semite vs anglo

Phoenix point looks exactly like xcom2 though. At least now. When it first was pitched with very short combat sequences it did feel very grassroots and different, but by now it is pretty much the same shit. Xenonauts 2 blatantly went the same way too by the way.

The only other game that scratches the itch on the horizon is Endstate, but it seems to be in development hell if not straight up vaporware.

>everything I disagree with is bait
Delusion

Maestro Newell(Media Vida 3, Final Forma) vs Darth Obesus(Equipo Fortaleza, 1,000,000 sombreros).

It sure is better than nuXCOM and TFTD

The extremely strict time and turn limits on everything combined with the ridiculously increased difficulty and new enemies like the melee soldiers and snakes made the game bullshit in a lot of spots. I still liked what I played of it, but I loved the first one way more for sure.

>Interest in talking about this subject dies in one and a half threads
Just like how interest in the game will die even more after they bungle their Leddit AMA tomorrow.

>Phoenix Point
literally who?

Is there any hope for Turn Based Tactics that are less like a board game (nuXCOM) and more like a simulation (Silent Storm)?
Ever since Firaxis risen the IP from grave, everyone tries to copy them instead of trying more ambitious projects.
Just look how it ended for Hard West and Phantom Doctrine devs.

Isn't it illegal to change the terms of sale like this? Backers were promised Steam/GoG keys at a specific date.

i hope xenonauts 2 doesn't pull this shit

Yes, it is

Depends on how the contract is written and I imagine FIG is the jewiest of all Kickstarter sites and carefully writes that shit so this is okay

At this time I don't think they will make it at all.
Then again, Epic sure is desperate for exclusives if they go for TBT games.
Xeno devs are visibly losing focus in their vision in favor of following more popular studios.
They will fold for half the price Gollop got.

Maybe? It is more on the devs to be honest, not many wants to even attempt something like that. I know few games slowly making their way through devhell, but how they will turn out, if they will at all and if they are up to your taste i don't know.

at this rate i'm going to end up going back to piracy or waiting for xcom 3

>Just look how it ended for Hard West

Hard West's map system was the shittiest shit to ever shit, and losing all your upgrades between chapters was fucking heinous

There were some attempts from slavs (again), with 7.62 HC.
But since slavs are poor, they finish the engine and game logic and run out of money for actual content (just like Silent Storm).

This map system is actually DOS games levels old.
I guess they ran out of money to tell game plot in any other way.
I still enjoyed the uncommon western-horror story.

No I get it, but it was shit because of losing upgrades and money. It made me hate exploring

That's hyperbole, from what I've read this sounds like the standard case of game designer makes his own studio underestimates costs and really fucks up with budget.
According to Wikipedia they have thirty devs. You should expect 20k$+ per employee when accounting for additional costs like health care.
Heck, according to the Wiki page the first year with only 8 developers cost 450k USD, and this probably includes things like rent.
This clearly shows that 750k isn't nearly enough money for 30 developers and nearly 1.5 addtional years of development time.

That's why he moved development to Bulgaria, so he could pay slaves to make the game with beans and rice.

Both of these numbers are from Bulgaria. His studio in Bulgaria needed 450k USD for 1 year of dev time with 8 developers. Then after getting the 750k from Kickstarter he increase the size of the time to 30.

>time
*team

Do we know how much he pays his Bulgarian slaves though? Is the 20k$ per employee plus health care also Bulgaria?

Reminder that Epic Store Exclusive™ is only for one year in every case so far.

For the last time... Format wars DO NOT help consumers, only the winner of the format war. That's the problem with format wars. When you've been through enough of them, you will figure it out... or not. Some people are pretty stupid.

The numbers were for Bulgaria. Partial payment of health care is a requirement in Bulgaria.

>is only for one year
I guess that makes it okay.

They can't even bribe a permanent contract out of these people, what happened to all those fortnitebux?

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I literally did not say nor imply that it's good. In fact, it's a detriment to Epic that it's only temporary. All I'm saying is that nobody should give a shit until Epic actually starts offering some tangible benefit to the *customers* for the use of their store over anyone else's.

>Implying you wouldn't do the exact same thing if you were promised TencentBux
Oh I am LAFFIN.

That's a lot of rice and beans.

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Clearly they're delusional. You've seen what Sweeney said, right? All it's gonna take is exclusives and better revenue shares for the developers to attract more customers to their store!

>compromising your morals for the chinese
Pathetic.

Only if Phooenix Point devs didn't offer refunds that would be the case.

>Fast forward to their next big game
>Customers are gone
>Epic is gone
>Money is gone
I'm sure it'll be worth it. Small picture people really shouldn't run companies.

It isn't "guaranteed sales", though. They are literally only providing any benefit whatsoever to developers. Customers still have no particular reason to go to their store.

I believe the Guaranteed Sales that that user is referring to is that the contract with Epic stipulates that Phoenix Point will sell X amount of copies, and if it sells less than that then Epic will buy the rest.

That isn't sales, dipshit. That's an exclusivity deal's payment agreement. Sales is literally only the game making sales to individual customers.

What i have on the radar currently as far as tbt go:
>Stellar Tactics
High scope and ambition single dev game that slowly progresses through early access and maybe will make it some day.
>Dual Gear
No entirely tbt but close. In perpetual devhell but have 2019 as release date and pre alpha demo that shows fuck all still
>Troubleshooter
A weird always online/borderline mmo xcom clone with huge emphasis on rpg elements with gear, stats and shit. Also anime as fuck.
>Synstasis
Proof of concept/perpetual devhell, have a demo but probably won't ever see the full release.
>Sigma Theory
Xcom world map made into full fledged game, tactics seems to be very barebones, due to (early access) release in april.
>Hand of Merlin
Fantasy xcom, not much shown to really feel what it will be.
>End State
JA+Xcom slav style. In devhell with at least one release date not met already. Actually have time units.
>Phantom Brigade
Very early announce, not much to see yet except mechs.
>Othercide
Heavy stylized urban fantasy tbt, not much to tell other than that.
>Druidstone
From grimrock devs, combat is tbt, but not sure how in depth it will be.

That's about it for more character based ones, there is a bunch of more with spaceships and such but not sure if they are relevant to the thread to name.

What'd you think of Mutant Year Zero?

Well, If the game will be great, the sour reaction will be mostly neutralized.
Seeing how easy is to fuck up this type of game, I wouldn't bet anything on that.

Yeah, that's not "sales". That's an agreed-upon payment which is part of the exclusivity deal. Quite literally not the same thing at all. Getting money out of it is fine and dandy, but if their game doesn't actually sell copies to individual actual people, it will never gain any sort of popularity and therefore be of very minimal benefit to them.

If you accept this kind of deal, you've admitted that you don't think your game is going to be a success. Either he doesn't think there is a big enough market, or he doesn't think his game is that good. Either way it doesn't have the confidence of its own creators, so it says enough.

>Dual Gear
Fuck, I remember playing its impressive as fuck demo over a year ago.
How the fuck you get this far and get stuck in dev hell?

Oh i see what you meant, yeah i agree, i was just saying that's what the "guaranteed sales" thing was probably referring to. The Phoenix Point guys are obviously retards that either can't think long term, or don't care about long term because they just want to release this game and fuck off forever.

Correct

What the fuck i love China now

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They at least seem to understand the concept of long-term greed, something lost on far too many companies.

I don't think Xcom3 would end up on Epic simply because there is no "Steam Workshop" and supposedly Jake and his team fought hard to make sure Xcom2 had mod support.

>want to try MYZ
>no time to even pirate it
fuck

Sure, they can keep making games if Epic assures they still get profit with zero sales, but what's the point if the game doesn't make a single sale? At that point you may as well just release a literal turd on the Epic store and nobody would care because nobody bought it either way. This is why making games solely for the money rather than putting consumers first is retarded. This shit only makes the industry worse by encouraging the devs who go to Epic to bail them out to not give a flying fuck about quality since they know they'll get paid either way, which in turn proves just why Steam's system works. Steam encourages devs to do do good products and sell well, Epic just pays devs to ensure they get money regardless of whether the games they're making are good or not. No wonder why the shitindies are getting on Epic's cock so much.

Well that would fit with the Chinese "business" model. They'll make the money back via identity theft of stupid westerners.

Makes me wonder what's the difference between the exclusivity deals that Epic is doing and the exclusivity deals that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft have with third party developers.

This is how totalitarian socialism works.
Everything is groovy and safe at first, then thy pull the leash and you realize you are dependent on them for everything.

Ironically it also means that if Epic somehow gets successful, it will have just the same type of shitindie flood that Steam had a few years back, until Epic realizes they can't pay welfare checks to every single game that fails to sell on their platform, at which point the devs will bail on them even harder than they're doing on Steam.

Console exclusives typically fund development of the game. Epic just sees a finished game people are interested in and decides nobody else can have it. Phoenix Point is a little different in that development wasn't finished, but it was already funded.

Console exclusives doesn't have guaranteed sales and exclusivity is almost never straight up bought same way epic does. Most 3rd party system exclusives are contractually funded from the get go by sony/nintendo/etc. So games still need to actually sell on the system to make profit and devs are more invested in the actual success. With the way epic does it, especially targeting the smaller studios, the devs are already payed upfront so much that they don't ultmately care if it does well or not. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the studios that went epic will just milk epic of their exclusivity deals and dissolve with early retirement for the figureheads and fuck all for trench devs.

>Console exclusives doesn't have guaranteed sales

Yeah and it's the consoles best interest to push their exclusives, like SONY bundling spider-man with PS4s

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I don't care about it not being on steam, but ripping the gog version is just fucked.
>hey, you know that DRM free version you funded our game based off?
>fuck you :))))))))))))
Fuck these people. And I was hyped for this shit too.

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Yea Forums BTFO

When the fuck is that AMA on leddit? I want to watch the shit show live.

Yes, and Gollop officially expects to sell at LEAST one million copies. I don't think Epic gave him a guarented revenue in the fifteen million $ + range.
I think he got some loans using the Kickstarter as proof of customer interest, and his track record as a developer as guarantee that he manages to finish everything on time. The game has been delayed by a year, this is never a good sign especially when the game was crowdfunded and doesn't have a proper producer. I think he got wet feet, and the game isn't going to be good.

>but what's the point if the game doesn't make a single sale?
Nothing, this is a bet by Epic. A bet that they can beat Steam by investing hundreds of millions in exclusives.
And this is also a bet that no other company plans to go into the PC game store market.

>I think he got wet feet, and the game isn't going to be good.
When I saw classes and more things aped from nuXCOM mixed with random requests, I realized that the end result will be a massive blob of ideas that will require a sequel or remake to iron out.

Epic ruins everything. Devs shouldn't be swayed by their shit and they certainly should have the balls to stand up against bad practice. Valve already lowered theircut to 20% after so many sales before epic assholery, and 20 percent of a whole fuckload of Steam and steam key buyers is way more than a smaller 12 percent cut of a shitty epic audience

Steam provides actual technical, feature and other benefits and even when they had no major competition they still didn't act evil and pull this kind of shit

>Linux support for Pheonix Point was ripped out like two months ago because "u-u-u-uh, hard to develop"
>now this happens
Uh-huh

Of course not. He did the Itagaki principle of making the difficulty of the game even more difficult than what it was supposed to be for XCOM2.

Backers will receive their Steam/GOG key after exclusivity. What should I do? Refund or just wait for the release with the bugfixng and DLC?
Just pirate it and wait for the release?

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Yes, devs should reject free money because ummm having one store is a good thing

Depending on environment used it can be hard to develop.
Then again Crysis 2 was playable on Linux after some small edit to settings and driver.

In a vacuum I'd believe that but the timing is too precise here.

Refund, pirate, buy 1 year later on Steam if it's good/goes on sale.

Nah there's been threads in the past but because the information was so hush hush there was little to talk about and most of us have been waiting for like 2-3 years for this damn game. Now we're just going to be disappointed.

>Just pirate it
This, Epic already paid them.

Refund and pirate if you are that curious. Can always buy it after the exclusivity is over, probably heavy discounted too. There is zero reason to have your money kept hostage for a year.

Unless you backed above the 'get the game' level:
>Refund, pirate, buy when it's on a real platform
There's no better way to show them their shit ain't wanted.

I refunded and I'll pirate it if I care. I am not installing the Epic launcher on my PC because it gives me nothing, and I'm not supporting a product just for them to go "lmao fgt get in the slow lane you can play next year" so fuck them. I also wont be supporting them in the future because by their own admission they don't give a fuck about me as a consumer if a big company can give them some money instead. So why should I give a fuck about them.

It's like story of intentional fruit company buying up produce from plantation owners in my country.
They offered massive cuts compared to local buyers and quickly they dominated the market while small companies went under.
After that they suddenly increased prices while lowering the buy-in price.
Result was plantation owners also going under because the short time gain did not outweigh the later jewry.

>Some sort of megaman clone but as the Jungle Book kid.
Neat. Thanks for making me aware user. It should now be three hundred and ONE for that dev.

pirate, epic paid for your copy

Refund, pirate, buy a year later only if it has mod support. Otherwise stop at the pirate version.

Fuck off retards, there are still people here who like actual games

>Phoenix Point

Literally who

Xcom-like game made by Jullian Gollop, the creator of the original X-com.

Literally why you even here if you can't Google?

I'm a consolenigger but holly shit,you PCfags are such a bunch of underage retards.
You faggots would literally lynch any game just so you don't have to double click on a different, free launcher's icon.

And don't give me that crap about "muh steam features", it's just a bunch of shortcuts you can just already use the internet for with even better features. Don't even pretend that other stores not offering this crap is the reason why you refuse to use other stores. You are literally just a bunch of autists.

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And this is why you're a console nigger.

Cute gif
Shit post

for not being an autistic retard?
sounds like I chose wisely

I'm annoyed because I was going to get a GOG key, myself.

I'll probably play it on Epic, since I've got an account from when a friend convinced me to try out fortnite, but I ain't spending a dime on their store.

>Epic had a better deal in this case (guaranteed sales

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Why do you keep making this thread, they entered a contract so can't change it now.

All this does is act as advertising.

When's this guy reddit ama? It's supposed to be today, right?

that's what it literally is, retard
don't post if you don't understand the subject matter

>don't post if you don't understand the subject matter
Follow your own advice retard. According to your "logic" they're throwing away guaranteed sales from steam as well.

It will be full on PR, you will see the mass outrage soothed after the AMA.

People are pretty stupid and easy to placate.

It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between you morons.

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read >guaranteed sales from steam
there are no such thing

>PCfags are autists
no news here. Like what do you expect from people who pay 5x more for their current gen platform just for some small extra graphical details, and not even getting a good chunk of the current gen games

the only non-autistic PCfags are the third worlders who just build PCs so they can pirate all games easily, but they wouldn't engage in these discussions anyway

Epic will be in control at this point, the timing of the ama was planned.

He's right though. "Guaranteed sales" in this case means the devs are getting paid no matter what, even though there might not even be a single actual sale happening.

Maybe we should refer to "guaranteed profit" instead.

Based console nigger, you have the intelligence of a literal child that does not understand the ramifications or consequences of anything. Despite entire threads arguing about the issues, you think the problem here is that people don't want to click a different icon on their desktops. You either can't read, or can read but don't understand anything, or you're just shitposting. Either way, you are a literal subhuman, stick to your console.

>Why are you making Phoenix Point an Epic Store exclusive?
Well, we...
>looks off-camera for approval
... decided it was the best course of action for our game.

>We knew there would be refunds. If we had to refund 100% of currently pre-orders, we'd still be in the black.
>Epic will guarantee that we will sell X number of copies. Even if we don't hit that number, they still pay us.
Insecure faggots lmao.

To be fair, they do have one thing to their benefit, marketing. Remember that Discord's gaming service launched around the same time with even more generous rates than Epic Games Store, yet journos keep forgetting that even happened, which further proves the idea that Epic is giving them fair amounts of cash for them to shill their store.

JUST

Or maybe you're just paranoid

So is it suddenly a bad game?

No, but being an anti-consumer dev is a bad thing.

>Maybe we should refer to "guaranteed profit" instead.
That makes more sense, yes. Sales indicate that they know that people will buy it from the store, which can't be proven.

It shape out to be. And epic deal is not the main reason, although it is very telling especially with quotes the devs spouted in aftermatch. Reddit ama will be a trainwreck to behold judging by shit they said already.

annoying but whatever, at least they get guaranteed money regardless of sales and i can just pirate it on release then pick it up on sale a year later with DLC if i like it

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What? People were singing it's praises before this announcement

That website is everything wrong with current website design

This guy looks like he's on death's door.

That what happens once you sell your soul to insects.

The actions they are taking hint that the game won't be as good, or at least they don't expect it to be, which is always bad.

Taiwan is real China.
Go eat some chankoro, chankoro.

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>I asked UV on the Discord and he told me that the deal would still turn a profit for snapshot *even if every single backer asked for a refund.*

From a Reddit thread. Does this mean epic payed them over 800,000$? Goddamn fortnite money

Not the guy you're arguing with, but when i played Backer Build 3, the game looked like it has promise, and the gameplay was decently solid, everything else was janky and unpolished which can be either because it's obviously unfinished or because it's eurojank. There were plenty of people singing it's praises like you said, but it's idiotic to sing praises for an unfinished bulgarian videogame, for all we know what we saw in backer build 3 is what we get, and the only unfinished stuff is "assets" like additional characters, weapons and enemies. In which case the game would be pretty meh, there's no way to know until the game releases.
Either way, the issue here isn't whether the game is good or not, it's whether the developer are a piece of shit or not, and they are. Seriously think about it, they made the game(what's been made so far), and because they mad the game with backer funds, they managed to get a truckload of cash from Epic, and now you and your money don't mean diddly dick, and they outright stated so on their Discord. Now, i didn't back the game, but i was interested in it, and knowing all this i sure as hell am not giving them any money, at least not until the game is on Steam, and depending on how the game turns out maybe not even then.

Probably more, 800k is nothing for a company like Epic, even if they didn't have Fortnite money.

Why are you willingly marketing a website designed in the most retarded way possible? How low do you have to sink to do that?

I was very excited for that game until they made it epic only. Factorio is 10/10 and was hoping this would be more of that kind of content.

Probably enough to keep the company going for 1 year, after that is another story, we still don't know how the people will react with this Epic releases, personally, fuck them, fuck any dev who don't trust their own product, fuck anyone who accept the yellow devil deal, I'm not going to give money to a company who thinks their own product is shit.

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if you're skipping on it you're not missing much, Factorio is still better of a factory simulator, Satisfactory feels more like Subnautica, I played the free w/e and the tech is extremely gated, you're not even given basic conveyor till 1-2h into the game, there are no inserters and splitters are an "advanced" kind of tech that takes a lot to research.
For a factory game you're doing way too many things by hand, and you'll be the first few hours constantly looking for wood/leaves.
It being on epic only isn't that much of an issue, even considering how they pulled off steam after steam itself did advertise the game, the real problem is that, unless they change many things, it's a lackluster game.

Alright that makes me feel better about my decision to ignore it.

i mean im not buying any games from epic store
or origin
or uplay

Ill play free shit its something big but im not paying money outside of steam

>platform you’d be able to play it on
>this update changes that
Why do people keep saying that running a game from a different launcher makes it unplayable? Computers are not limited to one launcher and one launcher only. Double click the desktop shortcut, get up to stretch or get a glass of water or go pee, and you'll return to find the game running with no indication of whichever subsidiary program launched it.

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I don't know, why are you so lazy that you can't at least skim through the thread to see what the problems are?

What you don't realize is that, unlike >454335947, most of us are outraged by the behaviour shown by the devs.
They're milking as much cash as possible form a game that's not even out yet, show no respect for the consumer, and generally show low expectations for this game.
If they were confident about it being a success, they would have released into steam, gog, epic, and whoever else wants to sell it for them, not make it epic exlusive because they were promised guaranteed sales

because gaben god china bad

I swear this is the 10th time I'm seeing this thread. If you don't want to buy on epic stores just fucking pirate, it's that simple.

Thank god you're the first one to think of this, we gotta alert everyone else so they stop talking about videogames.

Yeah, its better for the devcucks, but not the customers, thats why Im pirating every epic exclusive game worth playing.

You realise what epic is doing is totally unsustainable and they’re literally just bleeding money they get from fortnite in order to do it, right? Valve can’t switch to this model because it’s a bullshit profit margin that epic won’t be able to keep up and will inevitably drop once they have enough momentum.

When the dev makes a kickstarter promising a Steam release and people donate to it expecting a Steam release because of it, then people expect to be delivered a key to play it on Steam, not on Epic. Simple as that. This might not have been as bad if they just made it an option to choose between Steam and Epic keys, but no, they got moneyhatted, so apparently the promises of a Steam key that made people donate to them in the first place don't mean shit to them anymore. Sure, I guess it's fine for the retards who don't give a fuck where the game ships, but if you donate for a Steam release of a game, then they better well deliver a Steam release of said game, and not just pull out on the Steam release and instead go for Epic.

At least they had the common courtesy to offer refunds to the people who wanted out because of this crap, but it's barely enough to make up for betrayed consumer trust.

Because I'm not talking about this specific game and developer. These claims of a single-launcher-machine came around with Metro as well. "It's not on Steam! I am physically unable to play it! It's like the game was released on a wholly different console I do not own!"
Unrelated to Phoenix Point, whatever that may be, I'm baffled by the inane notion that a game releasing on an alternative launcher renders it unplayable.

Literally retard

>video unlisted
that was quick

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No you're just a nigger

Unlike consolefags who gladly and constantly take corporate monopoly cocks up their asses, PCfags understand why this kind of practice is extremely cancerous and will only lead to the erosion of pro-market and pro-consumer values in the industry, enjoy ever not having any competition again and instead PC being partitioned into some kind of console-like monstrosity.

At least they're honest.

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The new games are far too slow, and they offer much less customization to boot.

What a shill thing to say

Nice, another game out of my backlog.
Its like devs think they are the only ones making games.

>actively taunting the people that funded your game
jesus they have some terrible PR guys

>if we refunded everything we'd still be in the black
>lol we didn't make this decision lightly tho

K

>We didn't make the decision lightly

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It makes no difference to you or the publisher/devs why, this is what the buyers want so deliver or gtfo

Borderlands 3 is confirmed to be an Epic exclusive which means all future 2K games will also be. Rip xcom 3...

>If we had to refund 100% of the currently preorders, we'd still be in the black
Their Fig claims they got $765,948, assuming later preorders, this means Epic handled them at least ~$1,000,000, probably even more.

XCOM 3 will still be made. The issue is that after that, no XCOM 4, because who the fuck is going to buy 3 at release if it's EG only. I doubt that'll be a big problem though, even if it was released on a wider scale 3 is probably a good stopping place.

>people expect to be delivered a key to play it on Steam
but they will still get their steam and gog keys, though

Okay, this is Epic Store.

This will go to my next visit in filename thread

>market your game on a kikestarter as a Steam and GOG linux and windows game
>take the money, drop the linux support and put it on Epic store as an exclusive
Uhhh isn't this illegal? False advertising? Scam? Can they be sued? Somebody call Rekieta Law.

It's like being upset your friend got a job that pays better. Anyone who is mad about them getting a better deal with Epic should just lay down in a highway and do us a favor.

Is even mroe bizzare because they are explicit offering free DLC so people don't jump ship

Consolefags have actual system exclusives though, pcfags are squabbling over multiplats.

They're not my friend. They're a soulless corporation that lied to me and took my shekels.

Nice 0% interest credit you got there.
Who needs banks when you have kickstarter?

nope, they still give backers what they promised. except now they also give them the game through epic store a year earlier, and an extra dlc for free.

Since they enabled refunds and give yo ua way to back out of the contract, I doubt they can be sued for it.

No steam workshop support? Day one pirate

just lol you guys are so emotional and deluded. Every games client is spyware. Every games distributor screws over devs and your crying about one using a better model.

>Needing a excuse to pirate
They are already getting paid by Epic and are saying they lost nothing even if everybody refunded.

Is free meal boys.

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It is under both US and EU law illegal unless the customers accept the new arrangement which is why they are baiting you into accepting it with the "free DLC deal", customers can demand the original deal with Steam/GOG keys on release like they promised and if they don't honor it then they are committing fraud.

>We want the fortnite audience.

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Lol another no name game goes to the shovel ware store.

As much as I use steam, steam is literally the shovelware store

yeah, one year after release.
did you see the reddit guy who said he had backed 1500 dosh and got fucked in the ass for that?
fuck greed

go throw yourself of a building, chink

but epic game keep buying the greed off indies

Why would I do that when I get to watch you bunch of mud golems climb out of gabes gaping ass.

Nah user, it's the perfect market, it's full of consumerist retards, people with no life and stupid kids

What a completely utter garbage horseshit you spouted, very typical but still horseshit. Spout it 1000 times more and it'll still be horseshit.

so you're given an option to beta test through epic store, and a free dlc? I wouldn't complain.

Some are better than the others. If you can't compete with pro consumer features you get shat on.

Ding ding ding. Like what else do you niggers need? It isn't solving any problems that Steam didn't solve. It isn't doing anything better for the consumer. I don't care if Steam has a monopoly or not if it is still doing what I want, but I could give a shit less about making sure Steam is BTFO.

I don't even play games anymore I guess this is for the best.

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>I mean the rest of the ‘devs’ are Bulgarian, it’s not like the game was going to be good anyway
extremely racist

>I don’t even play games anymore
Then leave the video game board. We had our fun, you have to move on.