Why does he get SO much hate for appearing in new games...

The other characters who debuted in shit games are salvageable as characters. Zavok is not.

The better question is who would win in a fight?

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>Boss fight
That boss was the bee, it would not change at all if zavok wasn't there

>None of the other Sonic characters that debuted in shitty games get that kind of reception.
Because it's the opposite. He's a forgetable character in a good game, and he's coming back way more than people expected.
Probably that his model is still good and he has a voice actor for every language.

You'd think it'd be easier to just take the Zavok boss fight from Lost World and just make it 3d

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nobody cares about him
they only care about the green one with DSLs

Because Zavok is a non-character. He's bland looking, has no personality and only exists to be "the evil team leader"

>Zavok
>Chad
That cunt was a pussy and hardly threatening
>Lost World
>good game
Fuck off

Zavok just seems underdesigned to me.

To be fair it says "defeat Zavok" and he's constantly running his fucking mouth so it counts

>Lost World
>not good
Garbage taste mate.

Because he looks like a fucking duplo block in terms of design. He comes from a shit game, does fuck all within that game interesting, has no relevance to any actual character nor develops any and now he keeps getting shoved everywhere when he's FUCKING SHIT.
Sonic absolutely does not need more characters ever. It needs less. Sonic, Tails, and Eggman are the cake, all the rest are icing. And I don't want a fucking cake that's 90% icing made from spoiled milk
>food analogy

Gameplay wise he could be replaced with a glowing target on top of the robot and it would still be the same fight. He does nothing it does not count.

So which is the best one ?

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I have a few friends who like him. Even I don't mind him but I love future aesthetics and his song is catchy.
Travis Willingham is the voice of him and Knuckles, so I imagine that's a reason.

everyone loves trunks, i mean silver

Let's see do we use
Gemerl
Cream
Marine
Jet
Storm
Wave
Sticks
Dr.Eggman Nega
or older characters people like still
Mighty
Ray
Honey
Fang
Bark
Bean
Charmey
Espio

No, let's use those fucking Zeti people like those right?!

Zor.
>Emo stereotype with some funny lines
>Voiced by a Ninja Turtle
>Located in the world with some of the best music tracks in the game

I dont even remember the green's one name but I remember being commissioned a lot of anal/tailjob stuff with her when the game came out

Worst part is, they pick the blandest one out of all of them. Not that the seven sins trope isn't fucking bland and overused by this point, but still.

It's Zeena

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My point is he had relevance in the plot, while Chaos was completely shafted he pretty much was put in to bait Adventurefags

He looks out of place.

Was this the best thing to come out of the Zeti?

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I will say that his car is cool looking, but that's all the credit he gets from me

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>and actually did something warranting him to come back.
I don't think so. Shadow, just like Gamma, was a planned one-off character meant to debut and die in one game. There's nothing that warrants a good reason for Shadow (a questionable character, to begin with) to come back, and yet, he keeps coming back, at the cost of worse and unfitting personalities, and unnecessary forced presences at the last minute for the sake of "appearing badass and cool" to the audience, in a cheap form.

That isn't to imply I'm defending Zavok, of course. Although, I admit that I simply just not a fan of Shadow at all, so feel free to disagree with me.

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AKA the only good thing to come out of Lost World.

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What the fuck happened to Sonic Team's writers? At least they used to try a bit. Same with Puyo Puyo.

Couldn't be, Amy is shit.

They got replaced by hacks. Who don't even know the plot of Sonic Adventure.

How about this?

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>BALDY MCNOSEHAIR

Respect what they're going for. Execution needs some work.

Sorry, Rotor-user, but that's just a case of shit taste.

Zazz deserved better being the first piddly boss

>Where are you going to live when your world is dead guys? Oh right...you'll be dead too!
>Right before Eggman goes nuclear

Bowser. Zavok is just an inferior copy of him.

Zeena because of all the porn.

His voice actor in general deserves better, he's too talented to keep getting cast as shit characters like Zazz and Infinite

>Why does he get SO much hate for appearing in new games
He does?

Man he must have some range to go from crack addict voice to I'M NOT WEAK

The thread posted the day he was revealed for TSR is probably the biggest one I've ever seen for that game and people even made YouTube videos about it
I think he does a lot of voice overs for anime, so he has plenty of experience

It's obvious that people only don't like him and the rest of the sinister six because of their wacky designs instead of having one more fitting of the usual Sonic aesthetics like the rest of characters in the series, they are also associatd with a game that not many people in the fandom really digged because it wasn't fast or adventurous like the rest of mainline titles.

Boring character pushed too hard

Zazz for being the only good one, Zena for the porn.

Shit (extremely shit story aside) I don't entirely hate Lost World. Props for moving away from Hedgehog Engine shit, having some decent level designs and generally having more whimsy in it's art design than Sonic has had for years. But all of that is put in a blender with obvious leeching off Mario Galaxy and Sonic Teams trademark we don't have a fucking clue what we're doing work ethic and you end up with. The worst part is ST are so incompetent it's literally impossible for them to figure out what part of their creations are actually good. Just look at forces somehow comically missing the point of Unleashed or the Adventure games. Or hell just Racing with everything besides the stuff handled by Sumo themselves or the music team.

He also got mocked pretty hard for standing alongside these three in this shot

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could have brought Metal Knuckles, Orbot and Cubot ( if 3 chao can race why not those two), Eggman Nega, Fang, fucking Wendy Witchcart ( her who thing is driving carts and she has a reason to race since she could be aiming for revenge on Tails) Sega is a lost cause.

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I'm pretty sure the Hedgehog Engine was used for Lost World's lighting. You must mean Boost gameplay
I remember those days. That was fun

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I could see them adding more characters to the roster over time. At least I hope they do, them giving each character 9 customization options that change each car's body is pretty nice and somewhat makes up for there only being 15 but I do think they could easily have had as many characters in the roster as the All Stars games

He is literally a Bowser knock-off

The roster for ASRT was abysmal at worst and weird at best. Football Manager? Danica Patrick? Fucking Yogscast??? If anything I'm glad they have fewer racers but even then they managed to fuck it up with picks like Zavok.

Zazz has the most appearances of the 6, even more than Zavok who has the 2nd most.

I never thought the roster picks for Transformed were bad. We got NiGHTS, Reala, and AGES is a super creative choice. However the roster cuts still confuse me to this day (no Big the Cat, no Billy Hatcher, and other veterans from All Stars Racing got cut as well). I think Zavok is the only questionable pick in TSR, but I couldn't care less since now I can choose Blaze and Big is back. Hoping some of the glaring omissions like the Babylon Rogues, Cream, Espio, and Charmy join the race as well somehow

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>tfw chaos didn't had a boss fight
>but Zavok did
What a shit game.

>Zavok is the only questionable pick in TSR
The Chao car in favor of Cream was baffling, and the Team-based mechanic and gameplay kind of hard-locks some of those characters out of being DLC picks. There's no way we'll see Espio and Charmy on a team without Vector.

You know they had to get someone for Power, and the only one who is relevant and is still a villian is Zavok.

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Forcing the characters into these archetypes is cancer.

t. Kishimoto

Chaos would have required work.

Eggman was a Power in Sonic Riders. He could have been the Power type here and Infinite could have been the Technique.

Friendly Reminder all new "3D" Sonic games are going to be made with Lost World engine unless they scape it, and make a new one instead.

youtube.com/watch?v=mpL4thGEV6A

Enjoy your gutted Adventure "Remake".

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I never thought you could make Heroes look even more disfunctional

I remember someone on Yea Forums nailing it when they said that Forces was just Lost World being ROM-hacked into a Boost game.

>There's no way we'll see Espio and Charmy on a team without Vector
Considering the teams they came up with, I would say they could always pick some kind of placeholder character to fill the Power slot. Maybe the Forces Avatar. Cream could be on a team with Vanilla and Gemerl. Then Eggman Nega could make up a second villain team with him as Power, Infinite or Johnny from Rush Adventure as the Speed type, and Zazz or Infinite as the Technique type. The lacking characters can lead to other creative picks for characters that wouldn't have made it otherwise. But that's if they do make a bunch of DLC of course.

Anyone can be a power if they have a cart built for it, same with speed or any other third class they have set for the game, Sega is just sloppy.

Go away Boco

My god this looks abysmal

I can't take it anymore

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Honestly this, and with the screenshot showing one of the customization options that seems to be the case

Only in Riders, and only because he only uses a bike.
There are mods in so stats can change, but thier type I assume can't.

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The only mild joy I get is complaining about Sonic. It sustains me because I have literally nothing left from this series besides memories.

Hope they actually showcase it really soon, the fact that they change the vehicle's appearance makes it better than the mods in Transformed for me

I'm so glad I skipped out on Forces the game just awful in every possible way I even saw a vid of someone play a level with just one hand and hold the boost button.

But didn't riders have gears that allowed you to use other skills? like powers and flight can grind with skates or speed and power could fly with certain boards.

To be fair, they did that with level 1 of Sonic Generations too, but that was still a good game. Not that you didn't make the right call with this one.

twitter.com/RubyEclipse/status/1105239439033266176

The first one did, but the options were VERY limited

I think the second one made it so that the Type was tied to the vehicle and not the character

Sega doesn't care about pre-Adventure characters anymore (doubly so now that Mania allows them to confine them to the classic-verse) and don't want to touch Eggman Nega ever since they screwed up his backstory.

>twitter.com/RubyEclipse/status/1105239439033266176

I still don;t know where they're going with all this Mania stuff. Presumably Headcannon just used Mania to boost their own street cred and won;t bother coming back for a (possible) sequel.

you do realize headcannon was only stealth, right? everyone else is now at evening star, who sega could easily commission for a sequel.

Sonic and Eggman are the only fucking good characters in the series. Sega's autism ruined this franchise

Nega is usual for Spinoffs.

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Evening Star can easily be contacted to make another game for them

Because hes from the worst sonic game in the series, has an awful design, and doesnt look like he belongs in the sonic series. It should be chaos or like fuck, even a little dark gaia minion dude instead. Zavok is boring, with a bad design, from an awful game

The pink one for actually being somewhat funny. Nobody else is good

It's not a bug, it's a feature

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They have nothing else to market right now. Movie looks like dogshit and no one is excited for it, Forces and TSR have absolutely nothing to milk outside of their soundtracks.

Nega still shows up in spin-offs

I'd prefer any other of the Deadly Six than Zavok.

Zeena

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TSR has stages that have yet to be shown off and more of the customization options. I imagine they'll show some new gameplay footage for some tracks on Saturday at least

Suffice it to say that Sonic Forces fell flat.

I forgot about spinoffs.
Still, I think Olympic Games is the only thing he shows up in now and he wasn't even in the Wii U version of Rio 2016.

It's quite the shame Sonic their flagship franchise is churning out a dud after dud and they refuse to do anything with their other franchise except maybe Yakuza but they can't live of Yakuza forever.

Sonic from its inception has had a environmentally conscious theme; hedgehog vs roboticist, freeing animals from robots, stage progressing often starting in green lands and ending in grey cities. This is why Metal is such a good rival. He's a straight foil, a visage of sonic twisted into everything he stands against. He's thematically appropriate, offers fun gameplay possibilities when facing him, and he just looks fucking cool.

Compare that to Zavok. He's just a bland, generic DreamWorks quality demon thing. Even in his own game he doesn't mesh well or adhere to any sort of theme. He's just there. It's awful design

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Wrong

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As the article said, it was released at $40 and was 40% off in its third week.

Shadow and 06 also "sold well", what's your point

oh boy here we go again

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boring, shitty, out of place design. also debuted in one of the most forgettable mainline sonic games.

Zazz and Zor.
-best designs
-best personalities
-best dialogue

Like Tails! Wait uh... Like Knuckles I mean, uh...

It's okay, don't worry. I know that I have shit taste.

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user... he said SHIT characters

tfw we will never get to see the best Sonic villain make a grand and glorious return to the series

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Might see Espio with Mighty and Ray but Charmy hasn't got a chance sadly

I'm so sick of this being brought up.

We don't know the full extent of SA2's development. It's already commonly spread that Tails wasn't intended to be playable in SA2's story mode (the reveal trailer went out of its way to tell you just Sonic, Knuckles, and Eggman were playable) so who's to say that the same doesn't go for Rouge and Shadow? For all we know, Shadow's death was written at a point where, in terms of the game, he was still intended to be a cutscene-exclusive NPC, so it makes sense that his role after that game would be hastily put together the same way his playable, filler levels were in the first place.

>Mighty and Ray
>Outside of a classic game
Papa Sega says no.

I understood the first time

There is 0% chance of Mighty and Ray appearing as playable characters in a Modern game.

You mean paranoid iizuka

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>Presumably Headcannon just used Mania to boost their own street cred and won;t bother coming back for a (possible) sequel.
Headcannon is just Stealth and I believe he's more than willing to comeback, but it looks like the rest of the team is going in another direction.

>That weird period where this guy, Wendy and fucking Wes Weasley were in the same comic

Archie must have knew they were about to die so they went completely insane

I doubt Whitehead wouldn't wanna return to Sonic anytime soon.

HE'S SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT AWFUL

I'm sure everyone of them would be willing to return. I don't think Stealth is willing to give up on his own personal engine though in favor of someone else's, even if he did help improve on Retro Engine. He's been working on HCGE for years.

Don't forget Breezie, The Super Special Sonic Search & Smash Squad, and Honey the Cat as well.

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I wish the The Deadly Six were utilized well. I’m honestly open for seeing more Zeti unrelated to the six later on in the future.

I'm so mad that had to reboot it all again just to drop all those characters that returned Ken Penders is the worst.

Penders accelerated it, but I have a feeling Archie would have lost the Sonic license anyway thanks to their retarded business practices. Remember how they had to toss a number of comics they had going like Sonic Boom and the Mega Man comics along with some of their own because they were hemorrhaging money.

>Scratch is now officially a clucker

Cute

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Post Amy's reaction to Honey, that thread was insane it sucks they had a whole bunch of shit planned for Honey before the second pendering

Not to mention according to most reports, Archie had one foot out the door for a while as well. I actually think the decision to drop the comics was a bit more mutual than most people think, and I also think it was really smart of SEGA to keep quiet about it until they were 100% sure the IDW deal was going to be completed.

>What if we put all our eggs into one basket with this kickstarter campaign?
>Shit, our kickstarter failed. Start canceling books!

Worlds Unite didn't help at all. Aside from being a pointless event thought up by that one asshole editor who left Archie in the middle of putting the crossover together, it was a failure of an event and cost Archie a TON of money.

Zazz

HE

FUCKNG

SUCKS

It's the only Spinoff Sega cares about nowadays, unless we count mobile games.

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I was more angry at the Megaman comic dying. That comic was the first time I'd given a shit about Megaman since the Zero series ended.

I WANT TO DIE

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Yeah getting all those Capcom and dead Sega ips to cameo must have cost them a pretty penny.

>I know that I have shit taste.
You do like rotor after all.

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They didn't even get to add Bass officially into the comics without it being tied to time skips or alternate timelines I was waiting for his appearance the most.

Why is it the first thing modders do with new Sonic games is put Seaside Hill in them?

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Where are you getting this when Whitehead worked with SEGA for like 5+ years? He's been here since his port of Sonic CD to Steam.

People always think Whitehead's never coming back for some reason.

I wouldn't doubt Archie wanting to move on, but if they really wanted to get out of it, I feel they would've had them write an actual ending for the series instead of it just getting canned in the middle of shit.

Second most iconic 3D level.

What's THE most iconic 3D level?

City Escape

City Escape

>not Speed Highway
Sonic Adventure 2 was a mistake.

Probably 3rd most. Or 4th if you want to count Pumpkin Hill.

Killer whale beach

>We'll never get a fully fledged 3D Mania game based on this perfect design, with the Unleashed engine on next gen consoles

a dream, is exactly that. A dream.

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>no visible mouth like most early 3D sonic games
nice touch.

BASED

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He's fucking BORING
I would've even preferred fucking Mephiles or some shit come back over this boring asshole

>on my way to fuck your bitch

Based little true blue blur.

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I love how this is quite literally, the greatest design mascot of all time, and they turned him into this. Imagine fucking up that hard. Truest of cursed timelines.

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link to your art?

I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND THE BULGING EYE
WHY DOES HE POSSES THE BULGING EYE

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because all of the leaked pictures are wrong and early concept/design

he is a real face hedgehog, with real bulging eyes. here is no cartoony white eyes like in all of the fan art of the leaked pictures, they're gone.

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It's basically this, but blue. and with red nike shoes kek

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Metropolitan Evacuation

That’s not a real character they have in the game right? Because that top hat hedgehog looks like a sonic oc. Sonic team has the designer talent of a fucking chipotle burrito holy shit.

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Urban Decampment

Sonic lost world is a joke even if you complete the game at 100% they promise you something but nothing happens so he debuted in the wrong game, seriously no one takes that game seriously, even 7 year old kids

He make a return in the olimpic games who make him look serious but them make him appear with Bowser so again appeared in the wrong situation

He returns in sonic forces a worse game than 06 so again appeared in the wrong situation

The only good situation would be in the blaze dimension or something like that

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Don't worry, it's just Halloween Vampire Shadow. He's been a thing since Runners.

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I mean, you're not wrong, but I'm not saying in preference, just likely Normalfag answer.

Source?

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I know. Adventure 1 and its Zones should be considered some of the best in 3D sonic, but too many people's very first Sonic game was Adventure 2 and they love it for some godforsaken reason.

imgur.com/a/Z3QMF4Y

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>a fucking commercial for insurance made a better portrayal of Sonic than anyone in Hollywood
youtube.com/watch?v=Kru8ZaC5Wfs

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Thanks my hegga.

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Stay fast, my dude.

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They never even explained what the Zeti are. Also pulling the "Eggman try's to control a mystical force but it ends up betraying him and makes him look like a loser" shit again. People got tired of that in Unleashed.

thanks for sharing this is great

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>full fledged open world, 3D Mania game, with this art style

I don't think people realize, that if done correctly, you would have a GOTY contender on your hands if you did this correctly. Fucking hell the potential.

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Love that poster

>there will never be any more ARMS stuff
Looking at this, it would have been a nice crossover.

They need to hurry up and make new music for Sonic 3 so they can re-release it

they already did back in 1994:
youtube.com/watch?v=rV2YcmsizUA&index=11&t=0s&list=PL91EF12D8C64F3645

This. A HD port of 3 is the only thing that can satiate me in lieu of a Mania sequel. They don;t have to even add anything.

If they announce that Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Sonic CD will join the Ages line I'll also be content

Silver is awesome fuck you

Good thread, bros

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