Is this the best JRPG on the current gen?

*blocks your path*
Flaws and all it's still a 10/10 maximum comfy golden age JRPG nostalgia with waifu and comfy coming of age story with an (unironically) epic sci-fi twist

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Probably, and that's pretty sad.

>Persona 5 is one of the best in it's genre and in the the 10 games of this gen.

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That game bores me to tears every time I try to play it. Can't believe I managed to finish the original and IZJS versions once each.

> if you genuinely hold persona 5 in high regard though it's probably your first jrpg or even just rpg in general
There you go zoom-zoom, now download yourself some pre-XI final fantasy and have your mind utterly blown before carrying on to actually good games

I enjoyed it. For years I was a PC/nintendo gamer. I gave in and bought a PS4 Pro for those console exclusives. Money well spent. It's a great a game. I wished I bought a PS4 earlier instead of falling for the PC master race meme.

xenoblade is shit, my bing bing wahoo friend

I genuinely do not understand how people can like this game. I have given it a couple of honest tries, but it feels way too flawed to play.

>switch game bad

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>Breath of the Wild exists

I want to agree with you, but I gotta say that P5 is the 2nd best JRPG.

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I couldn't get into it either. I stopped playing MMO's cause I hate the gameplay, so it irritates the shit out of me when a single player game reminds me of an MMO. I might have liked the game when I was much younger, but I can't stomach the dialogue at this point in my life. I played it through a field full of overleveled mobs that would swoop in to kill your ass if you tried to grind, then I got to a town where I SOUNDLY beat some chick with the boring ass combat just to watch my team job to her in a cutscene. I dropped it right then and there.

>Breath of the Wild exists
REEEEE BREATH OF THE WILD ISN'T A JRPG

No.

It just gets worse. I made it to chapter 4 both times before finally admitting defeat. You didn't even see the part where Rex cries over the death of a mercenary with a heart of gold that he met a few days ago, and who left him in charge of his mercenary group because this 15 year old kid gives them hope

Oh, I'm sure that "if I just gave it a chance" I would find that it "actually has a really good story" or some shit, but that's not the issue here. I played the Kingdom Hearts series, and not because I really like it's plot or characters. I like the way it plays. Good gameplay can carry an absolutely shitty plot, but it's a lot harder for a good plot to carry a boring to play game.

Jesus, who cares about that shit. You can play the game without barely touching the merc missions (or touching core crystals) if you want.
The story and over the top emotional moments are the same as any anime, maybe you just don't like anime.

>but it's a lot harder for a good plot to carry a boring to play game.

case in point, FFXV

lol

You can like anime, but at the same time, it's only natural to get tired of the same corny tropes that you've seen a billion times, possibly done better in something else. Doesn't help that a lot of it isn't even intended for people past highschool age.

I'm 27 and enjoyed the game quite a bit. It was heartwarming and comfy at times instead of the nonstop edginess of XC1.
Also, it's a video game story (with a TON of cutscenes and dialogue). I don't know why you'd hold it to the same standards as the best anime.

The point isn't about the merc missions at all, but the atrocious writing. Why does any criticism of this game bring out a defense force? I don't whine every time someone talks about BOTW's lack of enemy variety or the shitty fucking rain or even the Master Sword needing to take 10 minute naps because I don't mind admitting stuff I like has flaws.

This too. Some of the shit I saw in XC2 should have died 40 years ago.

>Why does any criticism of this game bring out a defense force?
Why does discussing video games on a video game board get immediately labeled a "defense force".
This thread is about the best JRPG of this gen, I was presenting my argument as to why I think XC2 is that game. Don't take it so hard, user.

Some dialogue and story heavy games can be pretty well done. Look man, I like stuff that's good and don't like stuff that's not good. This goes for video games, anime, books, movies, porn, everything.

>Why does discussing video games on a video game board get immediately labeled a "defense force"

In this case it's because literally every time someone says something not positive about XC2, someone gets butthurt. Maybe you disagree with me about my opinion on the game. That's fine. But your initial response seemed pretty butthurt, so I treated it as such. Next time try something else than

>Jesus, who cares about that shit.

and

>maybe you just don't like anime.

when someone points out bad writing in a game you like.

It definitely has the best style. Best is debatable, but it surely ranks up there.

it's the RPG of the decade

>this 15 year old kid
This 15 year old kid with a ridiculous blade super power. Forgot that part because you're fucking retarded of course.

So, would you entrust your organization to a dumb 15 year old you've known for three days because he's got awesome anime powers? You do realize that "powers" doesn't translate to "good for occupation", right?

>A new Driver who barely knows shit would be a good mercenary leader just because he's got "ridiculous blade super powers".

XC2 fags, everyone. No wonder the shit writing gets a pass.

>octopath
>NOT "style" (in the loosest sense of the term, the game is actually ugly as fuck) over substance
yikes!

Yes, but you can’t really argue there is much competition. JRPGs are a dead genre.

You wouldn't know this being worthless trash, but people with profound potential are propped up and given better opportunity to grow.
Get over it.

in reality, xenocringe is about as bad as the worst idea factory games.

>Entrust your organization
The same organization we saw do remedial shitty jobs in a small ass swamp? I could trust that shit to a fucking monkey.

DQXI is trash

No, xenoblade 2, ys viii, nier automata, bloodborne, DQXI, SMTIV/IVA are better. Octopath is in a similar position as P5 but at least it had the decency to end earlier. The simplified SMT combat only works if there is a challenge factor like 3/4, 5 is a complete joke in terms of difficulty with absolutly nothing being difficult. The story starts off great, goes to shit after madarame, and becomes abhorrent with yaldabaoth. I know this is parroted a lot online, but its parroted for a good reason. The off time from dungeons is horrible as well, there is one event (hawaii) and it sucks, a far cry from 3/4. Morgana is worse than teddy, and that's saying something. The cast had 0 chemistry outside of ryuji and ann with a piss poor attempt at bants with yusuke/futaba (why is haru even in this game?). Unbelievable amounts of bloat, kaneshiro/yaldabaoths arcs should have been cut and okumada's shortened (this would improve not only gameplay but story as well). Goro was a retarded character even by persona standards and shida was a complete let down 1 dimensional character (he wants to steer japan in a new direction, what direction? Never stated). All in all, the game is slightly above average at best and only for its stylistic decisions, the game is shallow on all fronts and proof that jurnos prefer polish and easiness over depth and challenge.

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Fpbp. I don't care what people say, this game is so fucking fun.

zelda isn't a rpg.

On consoles possibly. But that being said we've gotten a fair amount of good JRPGs lately with Dragon Quest and KH3 as well as some of the other SMT games and EO games on 3DS, but I think Persona 5 was just really solid all around.

No. Atelier Firis is.

This conversation can't be had here because the only JRPGs the average browser of Yea Forums has played is Octopath, DQ11, Final Fantasy remasters, and maybe Ni No Kuni 2.

I’ve played plenty of JRPGs and I enjoyed the fuck out of P5. What now?

Yeah, I guess it makes sense to make Jim Carrey the head of a mercenary group because he makes a lot of people laugh.

Human beings can fuck up anything, that's why people entrust things to people they actually know. You'll understand when you're older.

ffxv doesn't have a good plot OR a good game. it's a "hold o to win" movie with a mess of a plot spread out across a feature film, anime, mobage, dlc, and probably other trash too in addition to the main game.

I liked it. I think it's because I only got into the series two years before I played it, so I didn't have time to grow too attached to the others.

true

You are supposed to play P5 on hard if you’ve played an actual SMT before

>Human beings can fuck up anything, that's why people entrust things to people they actually know.
If you ever had a job in your life you'd know this is a problem when dip shits that can't do their upper management jobs because they knew someone who gave them the job.
Grow up.

Only redditors like nu-Persona, not even half as good as P3 was at it's peak. Get that trash out of the way when DQXI exists.

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Do you think I'd be complaining about lack of difficulty if I didnt play on hard? In fact, I played 5 on hard with 3/4 on normal and I was still more challenged by 3/4

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And yet it happens all the time. I've seen it plenty of times. Dat butthurt, holy shit, it's been a while since I've seen some kid on Yea Forums so mad.

dude my first jrpg was FFVII I played it in 2001, I've played plenty of oldschool ps1 era jrpgs since then, and I loved Persona 5, I think it's easily the best this gen.

so basically, you're mad that it isn't muh epic dark souls level in terms of difficulty and it isn't a glorified moe anime with tons of slice-of-life moments in terms of writing. you couldn't be any more reddit if you tried.

For a second I thought by nu-Persona you meant 3 and up and then I realized you were just nostalgiafagging.

I liked Xenoblade 2 and DQ11 better. Those games were actually engaging until the end while P5 gradually becomes uninteresting and then goes on for another 20 hours

p3 babbies don't get to use terms like "nu-persona."

Persona 5 on hard is harder than 3/4 on normal, you are insane if you think otherwise. Keep in mind if you’ve played every Persona game before 5 then of course it’s going to feel easier because you are used to the combat.

I kind of wish P5 had more downtime moments between the cast, tbqh. Granted, the tone probably would have gotten in the way of that, but still.

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This is why people say Xenoblade 2 has a defense force. A legit complaint spiraled into "You're a retarded." because someone got mad at it. I've tried talking about the game objectively before, but it just can't be done. At first I thought it was because it was a "My First JRPG" thing, but apparently a lot of older people like it too, so I don't know why the fanbase is so rabid.

bravely default

Loved the game, but I liked DQXI more.

He's pretty much right, dunno about DQ11 and Octopath though.

That being said, Persona 5 is still a decent game. Light 7/10.

Not him but
>play it on hard
Doesn't exactly fix it's problems. At just over 400 hours i've played on every difficulty including Challenge. Hard gives the same exact encounter design (ironically challenge being more intuitive except for two dungeons and the finale) but with inflated values.

You'll still go through themed dungeons with themed enemies. Mementos is still barebones and comically shit. The final boss is still a joke, but even more so if it's your second time through on a fresh playthrough or otherwise as you now will just overpower the shit out of him unless you're 10 or more levels under the curve and don't have access to go fusions. Accessories are also still wildly unbalanced between each other, personal weapons will be ignored by you because every persona is nearly self sufficient, etc etc.

The game is way too stacked in your favor and every dungeon just doubles down on stacking everything in your favor up to and including almost every boss. I get they're trying to throw significance at the new member you just got but shits redic when even Shido's boat has tons of stretches where you don't need to change your lineup at all. The twins are the outright easiest superboss in the post 3 series.

Technically if he was nostalgiafagging he'd be talking about 1 and 2. 3 is still "nu-Persona" w/e that means and he's still a dumass.

What kind of autism is this? I compared it to other games in its series.

>glorified anime with slice of life moment
Are you implying persona 5 didnt have these? Even if it didnt the story is still shit and worse than its predecessors

The strawman is strong in this post
Not for me, there are several bosses and even mini bosses in 3/4 normal that took more though power than 5 on hard. Familiarity doesn't work either, I played smt before persona so I had similar experience going into all of them. Even if you dont want to count smt I had 3 before going into 4

>Technically if he was nostalgiafagging he'd be talking about 1 and 2.

Nah, most Persona fans haven't even played those, many started with 3 in the mid 2000s.

P3 is neo-Persona
P4 and P5 are nu-Persona

Get your terms right, newfags.

True enough. While "TECHNICALLY my first persona was emulated 2. I only actually played that shit for 2 hours and only beat that years later when I started finishing playing most JRPGs I could get my hands on. I played 3 and 4 before I played 2 and didn't play 1 until the psp re-release. Didn't like 1 too much but it doesn't matter as the game was short as shit.

Wait I'm going on a tangent. The point is that you're right.

Nice argument, use more buzzwords next time

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yakuza, ds3

Persona 6

3 and 4 are nu-persona.
2 and 5 are based and personapilled.

That boy ain’t right

How does P5 compare to Dragon Quest XI? I enjoyed the fuck out of Persona 5, but haven't picked up DQ.

If it matters, P5 was my first Persona and DQXI will be my first Dragon Quest.

You cried "defense force" before these people even showed up in the thread.
And maybe the defense force you're referring to exists in the first place because 95% of xeno 2 threads are people posting the same three webms and trying to say how terrible it is when they've either not played it or not completed it (like yourself).
You really can't judge a game unless you've played it start to finish. That's like saying you watched the first half of a television series and deemed it trash because it had a slow start.

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>Putting 5 on the same level as 2
Kill yourself

They're both weaker entries into their respective series but if you don't regularly play JRPGs than they'll have all the fun and more than you need to remain entertained. Solid games.

Different guy, actually.

>You really can't judge a game unless you've played it start to finish.

Not this shit again. Whether someone has completed it or not, you always have an excuse. Maybe the game does get better later, but that doesn't absolve the fact that you have to wait 50 or so hours to get to the good parts. That is NOT good game design by any measure, and I say this as a JRPG enthusiast who knows that most of this genre has awful starts.

P5 is a 9.5. DQ11 is a 7.5. It's a marked downgrade.

This but switch P5 with DQ11

Not him but
I've played Xeno 2 from start to finish. Really enjoyed it. The post game was outright awful and the story sucks shit.

But the difference between your xeno 2 threads are you have people who go into generals for the specific purpose of shitting it up. I have my opinions and I enjoyed the game, but when I enter a xeno 2 thread I talk about things I like instead of focusing on things that I didn't like. Focusing on the negative and fanning the flames of inviting is why most threads go to shit.

Why are Xenoblade 2 fans so awful?

I loved DQ XI. Wasn't terribly fond of any Persona after 2, but I just don't like the social sim stuff or how thin they stretch the plots so you've got time to do all the social simming.

It doesn't "get good" at 50 hours in, it's good from the beginning. Though the earlier parts of the game become retroactively better as the game progresses.
I (and many people) didn't find Arrested Development a funny show until the 2nd season. On a rewatch, however, the 1st is quite good. It's considered one of the best sitcoms of all time.

It seems you don't understand how consuming and criticisms of various mediums work.

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Fuck off Nintendofag

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1 > EP > 3 > IS > 5 > 4

Daily reminder

You can emulate Persona trash on Pc though

Much appreciated Fellas. After the winter 2019 game craze dies down and I get RE2 and DMC5 out the way, looks like I'll have me a nice springtime / early summer JRPG to get comfy with.

cope.

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>It seems you don't understand how consuming and criticisms of various mediums work.

No, it's the fact that so many constantly changes it depending on what suits their argument. I know what it's like. I didn't like the first Witcher much until chapter 4 when something clicked and made me like the whole game.

>this will never happen

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awful games attract awful fans.

Yeah but it won't be on Switch Nintoddildo. Stay mad.

So that's why FF XII fans are so obnoxious.

>No, it's the fact that so many constantly changes it depending on what suits their argument
Woah, it's almost like people respond to criticisms appropriately without spewing unrelated bullshit
> I didn't like the first Witcher much until chapter 4 when something clicked and made me like the whole game
So you literally just agreed with me, cool. Thanks for proving my argument m8

>So you literally just agreed with me, cool. Thanks for proving my argument m8

Okay? You're welcome I guess? I wasn't arguing with you.

Yes, and on PS3 generation too

Even on hard it's stupidly easy up until the very final stretch in mementos where the enemies are actual classic SMT endgame bullshit. I stumbled my way through the Japanese version as an EOP because I was too lazy to wait for localization, as a result I missed a ton of shit that makes the game objectively easier and even still I can count the number of times I saw a game over on one hand. The game needs to be played on hard at minimum and even that leaves something to be desired, normal mode isn't even a game, it's basically turns it into the glorified VN that Yea Forums likes to meme it as.

Dont listen to this guy, its difficult if you dont know what youre doing, but working it out doesnt make it exactly easy either unless you overlevel yourself or follow guides to make the strongest Personas.

Follow the games natural progression and youll find yourself moderately challenged

>overlevel yourself
Not that guy but I streamed my first playthrough. I beat Yaldabaoth apparently 6 levels under the curve and still had Seth as my front liner.

I don't know about natural progression but this was nowhere near as impossible for me as it was to kill Nyx underleveled.

dq has a totally different feel to it than p5. like, imagine the most basic, traditional jrpg you can think of - dragon quest is just like that. now, don't get me wrong, dq is not a bad series at all, but don't expect the slick stylish vibe of p5 from it.

Yes, as well as Xenoblade Chronicles 2

No idea but Jesus that must have been a slog, old Yalda isnt exactly a hard boss but hes got so much damn health

Except when you see Cunny go Super Saijin Blue