Why does everyone say this is the worst Persona game, is it really THAT bad?

>NEW GAME BAD
>OLD GAME GOOD

That's it. It's actually the best Persona game by far.

>NEW GAME GOOD
>OLD GAME BAD

Only switchlets who're anal about never ever getting a port pretend P5 is bad.

The dungeon crawling is by far the best

The characters don't develop at all throughout the storyline unlike previous games

The storyline is also very hurr durr Black and white, no villains to challenge the self righteous views of the protagonists, also no plot twist near the end like P3 or P4

Pretty good game though, aesthetics and OST are fantastic.

T. Zoomer

>everyone
It's just butthurt bingtendies, they're doubly angry this time around because they got duped into believing they would be getting a port of it

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It was released after Persona 4 Golden, but has almost none of the conveniences of Persona 4 Golden. It's a step back in several factors. Experience gain is a slow grind even with the DLC equipment, the party is largely worse, the story is worse, dungeons are too long, and the game is too long.

I've never heard this. Just a bait thread.

It was fine until you go on the class trip to Hawaii and Ryuji won't shut the fuck up about Isreal in public. It really brought down the whole mood of the game.

For gameplay, it’s the best
For story and writing, it’s the worst

Better than 4

There's a distinction. It's not the worst [that'd be 1 or Q] but it's by and far the most disappointing.

It’s not bad at all but it is a bit style heavy. The pacing still leaves something to be desired and the social links do more harm than good to the main cast as whatever happens in the link almost never matters in the main story (you can start romancing Anne before Hawaii but even if you do she acts like you aren’t and scolds ren because he “can’t get a girl”).
Game also is a bit too easy even on hard, idk if merciless is better. Mementos was honestly worse than Tartarus. Game is still good but the social link format needs some refinement still

Quality post.

Eh its pretty much more of the same really but you can't play without stealth outside of boss fights and mementos without being punished so it's too easy.

Not bad. It's the worst from nu-Persona games for sure, mostly because narrative is really fucking bad for story driven RPG. Visuals and music save it and we all know how normalfags love flashy shit more than anything. It's also way too easy for Pokemon clone.
also worst waifus

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> Bbbut Nintendo
Not a fucking argument, you can't just keep seething & using Nintendo as a excuse when they aren't even fucking relevant to the game.

No one says that. P1 and 2 are the worst games.

How come switchfags constantly beg other consoles for their exclusives? I've never seen an xbro or sonybro beg for a LoZ game, and at least PChads take it upon themselves to emulate games they want. Switchfaggots on the other hand have this severe cognitive dissonance going on where on one hand they'll pretend that no one but them have games and on the other hand they'll get on their knees and beg others to port their games over to their over glorified tablet. Truly pathetic.

butthurt Nintendicklets.

it's the best persona. once the switch version hits watch all these Ninten10dicksuckers suddenly sing songs of praise

>that'd be 1 or Q
Imagine having such shit taste.

It shits the bed halfway through. That's 50 hours of shit.

The DLC makes it a 9 instead of a 9.5. But it's by far the best persona game.

Yea Forums will call any game the worst in the series if you give them enough time (except MGS3). Fuck Yea Forums. Get the game, it's fun and has great music.

Fuck off, you hipster. The grid system and encounter rate were absolute ass and the game wasn't even the fun kind of broken that IS was.

Why is it we can't criticise Sony games here without someone going "b-but Nintendo..."

Gut gud nigga.

No, it's one of the better MegaTen games.

>w-w-w-why do they keep seeing through me?
LOL

Yep you are seething, Nintendo games have been shit since Galaxy 2. That doesn't excuse this game from being objectively terrible in every aspect

Post >yfw Rivers in the Desert

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Yeah yeah Eric, it's always Nintendo.

It's not worse than 3 or 4, the dungeons actually have designs behind them this time. However, the writing is god damned awful, specially when it pretends it's nifty with tricks and shit.

>grinding in P5
Heh
If you just want a fuckton of free EXP for trophies and ultimate persona, you can farm the Reaper.

Funny how Persona games didn't become decisive on their quality until Joker got into Smash.

>That doesn't excuse this game from being objectively terrible in every aspect
lmaoing@your life
you haven't even played it, switchlet Nintendicklet

Switch is portable
It's a different experience, saying this as someone with a PC, a switch and a PS4.

Persona 2 IS > Shit > Persona 3 FES > Persona 4 Golden > Persona 4 > Persona 2 EP > Worse then Shit > Persona 1 PSP > Persona 5 > Relevantions

There's something called observation bias that I notice is present in gaming circles.
Most people here who played P3 and 4 played them long after release. Playing a game when there's no hype or a large conversation to be part of tends to make people enjoy the game much more, like they're discovering something good from the past.

On the other hand, most who played 5 were anticipating it before it came out and had fond memories of 3 and 4. When there's hype and a conversation going on about a game, people tend to be more critical; there's expectations to live up to, and conversations require critical thought.

You can see this any time there's a sequel to a beloved franchise. If someone plays a game after it's out, they overlook flaws, if they play it when it comes out, they nitpick it.

Divisive. And lol have you been in a Persona thread?

You're a fucking idiot.
Here's one, funny how retards who have no idea what they're talking about show up when Joker gets announced for smash.

I have but i traded it in as soon as i realized i had to grind through hours of the mementos bullshit to finish the game. Literally the only Persona game that was so bad that i couldn't finish it. And this is coming from someone who was able to finish Persona 3 on 6 different occasions when i was in School

>falling for bait
Fuck all of you

I've only played p5 and all I can say is if it's the best Persona I weep for the series. It felt like the Michael Bay Transformers of turn-based JRPGs.

Most Persona threads were just people talking what they liked most about 3, collectively agreeing that 4 was decent, and that 1 is shit and 2 is good.

Persona threads rarely devolved into shitflinging and waifu fagging like they do now.

A game should live up to the expectations created by the predecessors.
You'd have a point if DMCV didn't blow the fuck out the water the rest of the series almost unanimously.
P5 is undeniably good, but through the sequels it loses out on qualities that made it's predecessors good, and that's why you see this divisive opinion discussion.

I haven't played any Persona or SMT games but judging from the sheer staying power 5 shitposting threads have had since it was announced it must be pretty good. If it was awful it would just be forgotten.

characters don't act like friends just wait around calling you when they want to suck the self inserts dick

>Persona threads rarely devolved into shitflinging and waifu fagging like they do now.
What in the god damn fucking hell world do you live in?

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>I didn't get into Persona until after Joker got in Smash

>Persona threads rarely devolved into shitflinging and waifu fagging like they do now.

It did devolve to shit flinging, and very often, just with SMT fans. Also, what is Persona without waifufags, either way?

boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/zpWT9fuVtN-sEeBsfkvGOg/
It's literally the same guy making this thread over and over with the same image in the OP shitting on P5.

What a completely fucking retarded metric for quality, get the fuck off the internet for a few days.

This is sadly the only way for threads to thrive nowadays, making a thread about how P5 was good will die in 10 posts

What's his endgame, bros?
Why isn't he happy to have the mainline SMT games?

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It's objectively the best one. In my opinion there was something that was missing that would've made it better than the others. Honestly I can list a whole bunch of issue with the story.

>Story blew it's load in the first chapter
>Shido is a fucking lame villian
>Traitor-kun is a terrible fucking twist. Would've been better just to play it straight.
>Pacing was just fucked after madarame.
>The team had the least chemistry out of all the games.
>Black and White morality played straight.

I can list a lot more but honestly, I can't seem them fixes the issues even if it did get a "remake".

Overall, my enjoyment rating was P3(Female) = P4 > P3 >P5

>FEmC fag
Opinion invalidated

I'd be VERY happy if just SMT went into the Switch instead of this shit. Preferably with a remaster of IV with Apocalypse.

You what?
Persona has always been divisive especially since it practically changed genre with 3.

>>FEmC fag
>Opinion invalidated
Sorry dude. It's my opinion. Having social links with your team made a more emotional tug when shit happens.

What's your ranking?

>Persona threads rarely devolved into shitflinging and waifu fagging
Dude, Persona threads have been waifu threads long before p5 was a thing.

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Don't let Yea Forums ruin a great game for you.

For story, excluding 1 and 2, it goes P3 > P5 > P4. For characters, P4 > P5 > P3. For gameplay it's P5 > P4 > P3.

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fucking beat me to it

The only thing I wish was in P5 from the older games is Shuffle Time.

Oh come on user, as much as I love mainline Apocalypse is just plain Persona-lite garbage.

Also note. This is the only persona game other than the side games with DLC. So that kinda ruined it for me as well.

2 and 3 are better

It's like FE oldfags pretending waifu posting only happened with Awakening. Pathetic.

I wish I was this delusional. Seems like a simpler existence

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If you skip through the entire story except for when Krishna is on screen Apocalypse is a 10/10 game.

>Why does everyone say this is the worst Persona game
the only people saying this are tortanic shitters, console-war shitposters, and seething p3 and p4 babbies mad that a new game finally came out and overshadowed their decade-old games.
>s it really THAT bad?
of course not. it's the best persona since 2.

It's alright. I'm mostly in it for the porn though.

2 is a fucking awful game with a great story and characters.

I just don’t like FEmC and ironically enjoy the team not having social links with the mc because social link development is usually only contained within social links and don’t carry over to the main story.

Main rankings of all the games is probably something like

p3fes>p4>p5>IS>1>EP

Is it really the worst Persona game?

I think they are all basically competent dungeon crawling RPGs with a dating sim attached. The big change between P3 and P4, letting you control your party members, was probably for the best. Are you saying people are judging the series by its other half? 4 and 5 both dumbed things down, but I didn't see any notable changes.

Well you opinion is fucking shit.

2IS is objectively a 10/10 in every aspect except gameplay, which like Planescape is so fucking horrible that it makes it unplayable for most

But why? You don't need to be rude user. I'm not aggressive against you or going against your opinion.

Yes.

>Is it really the worst Persona game
Given how story based it became it most certainly is in that regard. Gameplay is meh, as usual.

most people say it's the best actually

no, pokemon is baby's first rpg.

I would agree, but the gameplay is top notch...

Not even pokemon babies you this much.

>Apocalypse is just plain Persona-lite garbage.
So you've never actually played it and judged it by by the beach dlc.

t. smashfag poser

that's a joke, right? lgpe is the most babby-mode rpg ever made.

Now I don’t think anyone will disagree that THIS is persona-lite garbage

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Gameplay with a weak story is not satisfying.

Which do you remember more fondly, P2IS or Apocalypse? See what I mean?

Think about that user P5 is even easier than Lgpe.

What the fuck are you talking about? Yea Forums sucks its dick with every thread including this one.
That being said, the game itself is middling compared to the rest of the series. Nothing about it is really stand out.

>Gameplay with a weak story is not satisfying

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Eh, nah. There's no dating so it's not close to persona.

CHIE!

I've finished it. Gameplay was OK but not standout, the characters were all shit except for the SMTIV returnees like Navarre, the worldbuilding relied entirely on SMTIV and Apocalypse did not pull its weight at all, and the story was bad.

The only good thing about it was the final dungeon.

>the story has a bunch of weird fuckups that make it feel worse than other games

This basically. I don't think I've seen too many gameplay complaints.

I haven't played P2 at all, but fighting YHVH is very satisfying in IVA.

>Gameplay wise, it's the best Persona game thanks to the QoL changes
>Other than that everything is just meh to straight up bad

True, then Persona is baby’s first “””mature””” RPG

let me guess, you're a smashfag who's mad that joker got into your party game instead of GENOOOOOO, and you're here to shitpost.

Nah 5 is the best gameplay wise and 3 has the best story. But theyre all still good

I don't know, killing my friends, resurrecting a concubine, defeating Satan and usurping God left a bigger impression than IS did and I played them around the same time.

>GAME has the best GAMEplay
Okay, then it's the best game.
If you want a good story, read a book.

>3
>Best story

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What?
Why would I be mad about Joker in Smash? I like his design and theme but it was wasted on P5.

Did you just power though p5 with basic attacks without doing any confidants or something?

It doesn't play like Persona at all. It's kind of weird, actually, its dungeons have more depth than anything Hoshino Persona by the second one.

user, the appeal of Persona is not the gameplay, really.

A game with 3/10 gameplay and 4/10 story is not better than a game with 2/10 game play and 9/10 story

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Hey, how about a revolutionary idea - game has to have BOTH good gameplay and good story to be good.

>the appeal of Persona is not the gameplay, really.
Then it has no appeal even the dating sin element is barebones.

They got less good bad every installment. Not bad, just a dip in quality every time.

>Why does everyone say this is the worst Persona game
It's about 150% of the length it should have been, gets incredibly boring towards the end and the story runs out of steam

>Persona is a dating sim
shit meme

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The dating sim also counts as gameplay. It's a stat-raiser, not a visual novel.

The barebones dating sim is the appeal, really. I still scratch my head at how popular this shit got in the PS2 of all places, after what essentially was a continued decade of nonstop great JRPGs.

So what you're saying is that Persona 1 is the best. I couldn't agree more

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You don't think it's a good rpg do you?

>Plays a fucking 100 hour rpg
>Isn't mad that the story is bad
Fucking idiot.

I do. The social aspect of it plays well to contrast the dungeon crawling to make an engaging loop. Regardless, saying it's a dating sim is retarded cause you get maybe 3-4 scenes in a 50+ hour game. Romance is never the focus, only 3 makes you force fuck the girls

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It's not on Nintendo

>P5 will NEVER be on a nintendo console

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>Regardless, saying it's a dating sim is retarded
user, that aspect of the game is longer than the actual dungeons. If it weren't for the fact that you get ejected from dungeons to do calling cards and such you could finish them on the same day you first enter it

Post YFW it actually ends up being on a Nintendo Console

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The story isn’t bad at all. Just you retards didn’t pay attention or understand it doesn’t make it bad.

But it isn’t. Nobody plays a 50 hour game just to see 3 minutes of flavor dialogue.

I still prefer Persona 3 because I find the thematic tie ins much more effective, but P5 is easily the most "fun" to play. I love the casts in both equally, both for waifus and for actual characters.

P4 is still good but nowhere near the level of 3 or 5. I would unironically buy the shit out of a P3 remake in the P5 engine.

>didn’t pay attention or understand it doesn’t make it bad.

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nah 5 is up there with 3 and 2

>Just you retards didn’t pay attention or understand it doesn’t make it bad.
I won't get called a retard over not liking that shitfest.

So is awful
Got it
No one under the age of 20 cares about pokemon

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I disagree.
SMTIV/Apocalypse is much better than Nocturne.
The quality of life improvements alone make it better.
there's no reason that SMTIII should have the EXACT same gameplay as the original Shin Megami Tensei on SNES.

SJ ?

>no villains to challenge the self righteous views of the protagonists, also no plot twist near the end like P3 or P4
Did you not pay any attention? Both of these points are wrong, one of them was half the fucking game. Confirmed for not having played.

4 and 4A are both good games
>there's no reason that SMTIII should have the EXACT same gameplay as the original Shin Megami Tensei on SNES

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I literally NEVER had to grind in P5.
Just kill gold hands with rocks and you're good.

I beat the entire game easily on my first run while only doing single visits to the dungeons (well, getting to the treasure, anyway).

The only one that gave me trouble was Kamoshida's due to the lack of SP consumables at that point in the game.

>play for 40something hours
>romance Kawakami
>realize that I should've picked Takemi
>beaten a fucking palace since that
That was last year. I need to find a way to go back.

>Not going Harem
Your first mistake

The DLC is largely cosmetic and and offers nothing worthwhile to the game.

Mainline SMT vs. Persona has been one of the oldest bullshit flamewars on Yea Forums.

There are several DLC only Persona user.

this
p3 has an interesting concept, but it couldn't fuck up the execution any harder than it did.

SJ, IV and Apocalypse were all damn good.

The only good thing about them is their level, the rest is trash

P3/4 fans angry that things are different
SMT fans who think Persona is more casual even though 4/A (while still good) are more braindead than P5
Newfags whose first Persona was 5 who don't understand the idea of theming and metanarrative and think the story should be capeshit genre fiction

Right, because random skill inheritance, the game ending if the MC dies (even if you still have demons), and not having a button to pull up demon stats when other SMT games did it only a year or two later is fine.

>entire core gameplay is different, who cares
>some minor quality of life things aren't there, wtf it's literally the same

Of the three only three last exists and they are the only ones defending 5.

>GAME I PLAYED GOOD
>GAME I DIDN'T PLAYED BAD

>Denying P3/4fags and Smtfags existence

"i'm a smashfag tourist and this is my first persona thread": the post

P3 and 4 are lumped with 5 as Persona fags.
SMTfags were always Megatenfags rather than just the one series.

This is completely false and you'd know this if it wasn't your first SMT thread.

No, 4fags maybe just maybe can be lumped with 5fags but no way 3fags can, and SMTfags are not Megatenfags as most of them hate persona

Let me guess, you joined with smash didn't you.

Nope, P5 is a has a fanbase on its own
You think P4 was popular? Come on

Are you crazy ? P4 was the most sold persona worldwide before P5, it even got 3 Yea Forums banners

Take your own advice, because there has never been a real schism in the persona fanbase beyond 1/2 fags and 3/4/5 fags.

>Gold hands
>Persona 5
No, the lack of Gold Hands IS the problem.

>There has never been a schism
>Except for this schism

And besides that mainline and persona fans are always at each other's throats.

I disagree

Are you being retarded on purpose?
The implication before was that 3 and 4 fans hated 5 with a burning passion and that "mainline" fags were just SMTfags when they go everything in the megaten franchise.

>The implication before was that 3 and 4 fans hated 5 with a burning passion
they do. p4 fags especially, they can't hide their bitterness after they got almost a decade of shilling all to themselves.

No they don't because they're the exact same group as P3 and 5 fans. Seems more like you want to deflect criticism of 5 onto a boogeyman.

Stop being crazy, most P3fags hate P5 and only some P4fags hate p4 as most became P5fags

>P4fags hate p4
Ooops hate P5 i mean

That's not P4

I consider it the second best outta of new sona only thing that wasn’t as good as 4 was the social links

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It doesn’t have yukiko so it’s already better than 4

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I wish I lived in your world user

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And you think that seriously means anything?
There are tons of people out there that dont know what P4 is or how it even looks like
After all, it was 8 years of difference, there is no way the popularity could have stayed the same for so long

Better than 4.

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>p4 fags especially,
>only some P4fags hate p4 as most became P5fags
So which is it are they the biggest or smallest group of p5 haters?
You can't even keep your own story straight.

P4fags are maybe the smallest, P3fags and some smtfags are the biggest

wrong, p1 was the best-selling persona before p5.

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Worldwide, no one only cares about japan

That’s is so fucking weird why didn’t innocent sin outsell it?

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It's one of those games that advances a few areas (gameplay and style) but regresses in other areas(story and characters) so it ends up being divisive depending on what a person expects from the series

P3 and 4 history were literally filler till the last months, P5 at least walked foward on a ok pace

Its 100 hours of some of the blandest writing, worst dungeons and basic gameplay that 60 dollars can buy.

P3 started slow and got faster by the time Shinji died so it's just fine.
P4 was barebones as fuck so pacing really didn't matter.
P5 was only really fine toward the end.

>P3 started slow and got faster by the time Shinji died so it's just fine.
Lol no, it only really began when Ikutsuki revealed his true colors

>Only really fine through the end
Bruh. The middle to the end was the worst part.

It started slow and got formulaic way too quick. That molds last until almost the end.
It started Akihiko's arc and cemented Strega well.

Atlus does

>It started Akihiko's arc and cemented Strega well.
Akihiko's arc expanded on nothing about the dark hour, it can be removed and you lose nothing at all of the story

P5's problem might actually be that it started off too strong. Kamoshida was so personally threatening the game continually becomes more toothless the endgame villains seemed so lame in comparison. P3&4 started off slower but got more interesting later on

3 4 and 5 are all good games

5 is probably best overall in terms of style, the art direction is great as well as sound.

if you didnt know, rpcs3 can play it perfectly on a PC.

Completely untrue, it directly connected to the theme of mortality used later on.

>sound
>the same 2 or 3 tracks again and again which turn to shit the more you hear them and aren't even that good in the first place

p5 music is good, gets better when you get further in the game, like at the Futaba temple and other areas. But it's a nice jazz-like OST.

Cause it was shit
And some obvious self insert for the creator with an idol or some shit
Persona could have been waaaay more popular if it wasnt for P2

Most of the palace themes are no better than random noise and the jazz theme is repetitive as fuck like I said.

You’re insane

I still feel P4 has the best OST overall though

>Most of the palace themes are no better than random noise
Imagine having this horrible taste. I can recall every palace's theme hook in my head, how the fuck are you gonna say they're random noise

I agree the palace themes are hit and miss but:
youtube.com/watch?v=KWizFF5fn-I

4 probably has the most iconic, I can go back and nostalgia with almost the entire OST. 3 has the best tracks though

It has the best "gameplay", but the story is a mess and the interactions are kinda shit overall which makes the characters pretty meh.
Probably better than 3 I would say because in that game nothing fucking happens for like 50 hours until the last 5, tartarus sucks, and the characters barely talk in all the game but it doesn't beat p4. Persona 4 keeps you in the screen for hours, the story is intriguing and well executed and the game is just too comfy and fun to go through.

>Persona 4
>the story is intriguing and well executed

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>my mind is evidence
It wasn't terrible, but it was way too peppy just like the rest of the game.
Not bad, but not very memorable either.

It's as much evidence as you saying it's all "random noise", I don't even know how the fuck anyone could say that

Im sure we all can agree who best girls were in each game.

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Explain to me how exactly this is good, especially when heard for hours on end.
youtube.com/watch?v=Q0M6tDDI6G8

the people who say its bad are either contrarian p3/p4fags or seething mainline SMTniggers who are butthurt that nobody outside the autism spectrum plays their shit games anymore

It's not, 4 is the worst, everyone with any taste agrees

>no argument
Yikes

To be fair to that user it is better than 5.

>4 is the worst

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>muh boogeymen
Personafags are pathetic.

Why's this one user trying to cut p5 off from 3 and 4?

it's not bad, it's just that 1,3,4 and better.

>Persona 1 better than Persona 5

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>And some obvious self insert for the creator with an idol or some shit
that was in p1 too retard

It was good during that short period when it was rumored that P5 would be ported. As soon as the PS logo appeared, we went back to Yea Forumsincel territory where the game is bad. PC people don't shit on it since it can be emulated, and there's no such thing as xbros

fuck you
persona 5 is way too easy, the cast sucks, the music blows, and palaces are the fucking worst. I hate lego tier puzzles that feel the need to be fucking explained.

I disagree

nice

should I play P3P or FES?