Imagine getting the best video game sequel of all time and complaining that the predecessor was better because it was...

>Ascended: Banjo Pilot

still havent 100% it (w/out guides) due to those fucking cheato pages

I've never seen anybody defend Nuts and Bolts, even in a contrarian way

>can finally play as Mumbo, the shaman who could transform you into all kinds of shit
>he can't transform anything
>all he does is stand on context-sensitive pads and start a cutscene
>level design goes to shit starting with Terrydactyland
>objectively inferior final area and final boss

Banjo Kazooie was too easy and Tooie took things a bit too far making it tedious at times. When they make Banjo Threeie it needs to be somewhere in the middle.

Banjo Tooie is in the middle of DK64 and Kazooie. It is perfect.

I thought the trivia was fun

they had more planned for the last area but they didn't have enough time

way too much backtracking, and not even the good kind of backtracking like sotn or metroid.

Banjo Kazooie had the perfect level of complexity. If your complain I that is too easy that doesn't have anything to do, then solution to that would be doing harder platforming challenges, Tooie problem is not that's is hard, is that is tedious as fuck.

1. tooie
2. Nuts and Bolts
3. kazooie

This is the definitive list of Banjo games. Not that Kazooie is bad, just that Nuts and Bolts is really fucking good

this. wumba or whatever the fuck her name is, is so pointless

>BK
>go place and do thing
>a few things in every level inaccessible without transforming, easy to tell from outside place, never have to transform more than once per level for more than half its objectives

>BT
>go place
>"you can't do thing!" Go to several unnecessary places so you can make thing doable, probably including a place you have to change characters, go do thing, go change characters back
>repeat for 90% of objectives in every level

derp

>tooie is better thank kazooie
>tooie has grunty industries
What did he mean by this?

This guy sounds like he's saying gucci gang.

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Grunty Industries is the best level in the series.

GRUNTY GRUNTY IN DA STREETS
GRUNTY GRUNTY IN DA STREETS

>and start a cutscene
>Golden Goliath
>T-Rex
>Space platforming segment
>Atlantis
>Cutscenes
>Healing the triceratops
Based retard

>"you can't do thing!"
The first half of the game has 1 jiggy per world behind backtracking.

It happened a lot back when it first came out. Not so much anymore though.

Reminder that collectathons are just 3D Metroidvanias and anyone who shits on the one but praises the other is clinically retarded.

Get better bait

Are Tooiefags the most obnoxious fuckers in the banjo fanbase?

Every Banjo thread you faggots start shitposting because you have a chip on your shoulder about people prefering Kazooie's simpler no backtracking design. Fucking worse than smash roster cunts at this point.

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Terrydactlyand was one of the best areas though.

Does this mean that Metroid Prime is a collectathon?

Get better tastes

Terrydactyland is the only weak world in Tooie. It's filled with samefagged entrances and it makes it a nightmare to navigate.

>Super Mario 64 is a metroidvania

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>Super Mario 64 is a collectathon
based retard

It is though.

I really hope you're not about to defend witchy world

>Super Mario Bros is a Metroidvania
Do you know what a metroidvania/collectathon is?

Its not. Theres only one one main collectable needed to progress.

>Everyone look at me I have bad tastes

>Golden Goliath
>slow, can only open specific doors
>anything it kills respawns
>T-Rex
>a Banjo transformation, not Mumbo
>Space platforming segment
I'll give you that.
>Atlantis
>literally just infinite air, removing the challenge since there are barely any enemies
>Healing the triceratops
>LITERALLY A CUTSCENE

Since when did number of collectables mean that? And anyway you have to collect coins to get stars anyway.

>Reeee game is bad because of [widely accepted game mechanic]
No, the people who get their opinions from youtubers and try to act like it's valid are the second worst. First worst are people who defend nuts and bolts.

Super Mario Bros isn't about going into worlds and collecting stars to progress, you retard.

You don't collect 95% of 64s stars, they're obstacle courses/stages and stars are just how it tallies the games challenges

>play Banjo Tooie
>it tries to be a FPS in some parts with level design lazier than fucking Wolfenstein 3D

Witchyworld is one of the levels that most people like though

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>Complaining about lazy design when over 50% of Kazooie's puzzle are just "lmoa use ground pound/egg receive collectible"

>but Kazooie
Kazooie was fucking boring
I only picked up Tooie because you faggots kept going on and on about how much bigger and better it was by comparison
It just shoved in a ton of shit gimmicks to copy what was popular at the time

>You don't collect 95% of 64s stars
You need to collect 70 of the 120 stars in the game to reach Bowser's final fight and complete it, unless you are going out of your way to glitch around this requirement. That's 58%.

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>I hate everything aren't I enlightened?

I don't hate everything, you pussy
I hate when you guys overpraise the shit out of games while deliberately ignoring their weak points. It's just as bad as shitting on games that aren't even out.

fpbp, backtracking fucking sucks in 3d games

>2D GOOD 3D BAD

Not him, but backtracking in 2D games takes significantly less time. It's still pretty shitty though.

It's weird how WitchyWorld seems to be a fan favorite, yet people also complain about Tooie's minigames a lot and WW has the most of them.

>This widely accepted game mechanic is shitty and unacceptable because I say so (But really, because youtube told me so)
Not how it works, stupid.

2D GOOD 3D GREAT
Just don't waste my fucking time. Forced exploration is not real exploration.

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>Forced exploration
Wew. This is one for the books

That's purely a matter of level design. Curse of Darkness has shit level design and warp point locations that makes backtracking a chore, but so does Dawn of Sorrow.

>This widely accepted thing is inherently good

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it's layout and varied environments are top notch. and the bumpercars/UFO are some of the most fun minigames

If only (You) could read.

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>Media=Game mechanic
Nice false equivalence

at least the backtracking is not as bad ad DK64.

>This widely accepted game mechanic is shitty and unacceptable
So crafting, holding a button for an action, turret sections, and forced stealth in non-stealth games are good?

There exist arguments for why those are bad.
The only argument for backtracking that exists is "Reeee but I don't like it"

Literally the only good world in tooie.

It is also extremely easy to navigate. There is no confusing which pathways leads to where.

Imagine getting a triple decker hamburger with chocolate, sardines, lasagna, raisin bran, yogurt and other superfluous additions and complaining that a normal cheeseburger was better because it was smaller and simpler.

Mumbo has one or two uses in each level, which consists of taking control of him, moving to point B, watching an unskippable cutscene, and then walking back to the hut to switch back to Banjo.
Most of the transformations are garbage, like the dynamite, stoney, and armored car (the first three you get btw)
Takes control away from the player constantly to show unskippable cutscenes which show you exactly where to go
Obnoxiously long fps segments, including the final boss
Bland and confusing level layouts like Terrydactyland, Grunty Industries, and Glitter Gulch

This. Even though I like Tooie, navigating through some of the worlds is a real pain in the ass, especially in the second half of the game. I've seen people who like Grunty Industries and I don't understand how, everytime I get there it makes me want to stop playing because of how confusing it is to get around and collect everything. The music and boss are great, but fuck everything else about that level.

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>Food analogy
The absolute state

Well yeah if it had that many conflicting flavors, took over an hour to cook, and fell apart the moment you picked it up, I would say the cheeseburger was better

Yeah thats Tooie

Where's you argument though?

If Kazooie is a cheeseburger then Tooie is a fucking full course dinner from Restaurant Gordon Ramsay.

Based
youtube.com/watch?v=swuFF1rsMe4

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>from Restaurant Gordon Ramsay
funny that you say that because the food from his restaurants tends to be shit because he isn't making the food there

>Food analogy

Opinion discarded. Not even worth a (You).

>Grunty in the streets
Fuck that level. Don't even know how I managed to beat the game with that shit in it. Had enough problems remembering which caves went where in terrydactyland.

Sometimes less really is more.

full course dinner? sure. a consistently good one? nah.

LOL ITS A FOOD ANALOGY THEREFORE I CAN IMMEDIATELY DISCARD IT BECAUSE A FUNNY INTERNET POST TOLD ME SO!

Fuck off and use your own brain you idea-slave.

>BK
>Boring as shit worlds
>jinjos reset every time you leave the level
>one boss
>Annoying soundtrack that every youtube reviewer jerks off to

>Based BT
>Tons of new moves
>New minigames
>Multiple unique bosses
>Expansive Worlds that are meant to be explored
>Better characters
>Has doom on it

t. Ian
youtube.com/watch?v=eGryWqaZvgY

>Expansive Worlds that are meant to be explored
Conveniently left out that they're also boring as shit
Also conveniently left out the annoying soundtrack that every youtube reviewer jerks off to

But it's okay because it's the one YOU like. No hypocrisy there

>Hag 1 not a billion fucking times better than Grunty
Holy shit what a rotten opinion. Hag 1 is one of the greatest final bosses of all time.

*ruins your game*

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The Game Grumps interview with Grant Kirkhope ruined discussion of this series.

That's the video that people shitting on Banjo-Tooie parrot word-for-word.

>shitty attempt at a FPS boss
>you're quizzed DURING the fight
>the questions aren't even difficult
>correct answers make the fight easier
>your only obstacles are generic minions and jumping over lasers
>you're not even fighting Grunty directly
2/10, got me to reply to this shit bait. Hope you enjoyed your laugh.

>E-CELEB MADE A VIDEO SO NOW YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE THIS GAME
I bet you're the sort of faggot who brings up Egoraptor when somebody says something negative about the Water Temple in OoT or Projared when people talk about Adventure 2's objectively shit camera. People shat on these games before those faggots even had channels.

>shitty attempt at platformer boss
>all you do is dodge swoops and fireballs that make Klungo look hard
>you're NOT quizzed during the fight
>your only obstacles are the shitty hitboxes on the Jinjo statue holes
>you don't even land the finishing blow on Grunty, the Jinjonator does
>you don't even play soccer with Grunty's head

God tier
>Grunty Industries
>Jolly Roger's Lagoon
>Terrydactyland

High tier
>Click Clock Wood
>Hailfire Peaks
>Rusy Bucket Bay
>Mad Monster Mansion
>WitchyWorld
>Freezeezy Peak

Mid tier
>Glitter Gulch Mine
>Mayahem Temple
>Treasure Trove Cove
>Gobi's Valley

Lowest tier
>Cloud Cuckooland
>Bubblegloop Swamp
>Mumbo's Mountain
>Clanker's Cavern

>Lowest tier
>>Cloud Cuckooland
>>Bubblegloop Swamp
>>Mumbo's Mountain
Shit opinion

mountain and cove need to be moved up to at least high
rusty bucket bay needs to be moved to the bottom

Hag 1 is the dullest boss in the game that isn't Old King Coal.

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the best parts of kazooie and tooie are those they don't have in common

What's wrong with it?

Tooie is my fav game of all time and the best BK game. The added complexity and elngth were so great for me, esp since I did not have many games to play. Anyone saying Tooie was bad or worse than Kazooie is a certified faggot.

WitchyWorld is my favorite level in Tooie nd should be a tier higher on your list, but otherwise your list is pretty good

How can anyone enjoy Grunty Industries at all?

That was years ago user, no one even remembers what they said in that video

youtu.be/aqfViCAiMmQ?t=490