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Day = Bad
Night = Good

That being said i cant imagine what the original deus ex would be like if half the maps were in broad daylight

Deus ex is not cyberpunk.

this. You can tell OP has no clue about cyberpunk as a setting. He's probably art director at CDPR

>left
>skill selection provides alternative problem solution methods

>right
>skill selection is meaningless outside of combat

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>In general the only thing Yea Forums knows about cyberpunk is Bladerunner. Therefore if the game doesn't have the Bladerunner look it's going to be shit.
Which is funny because there's a blatant Bladerunner reference in the Cyberpunk trailer.

Imagine being this retarded

>good gameplay
>shit gameplay

>RPG
>typical CDPR action garbage

You see the sunrise near the end of the game. And it's meant to be symbolic, so yeah.

ITT: MUH SUN
At least complaining about the S U N is a sure way to out yourself as a retard with no knowledge of cyberpunk outside from Blade Runner. Fucking pathetic.

Yea Forums would call GiTS:SAC GTA the anime because skyscapers aren't filled to the brim with gaudy marketing.

seeing people on Yea Forums talk about what cyberpunk is is cringe. I don't think any of them have read any cyberpunk. they think the genre means things set in cities with neon signs and whatever-wave shit music

If I reduce it to the minimum with no context it's the same!

I know I'm over 20 minutes late but you are fucking dumb.

IT HELPS NO ONE TO BE REDUCTIVE

It's a thing with young people in general, they categorize things based on their "a e s t h e t i c" value rather than their themes. Cyberpunk is more about it's thematic context than it's setting.

>whatever-wave shit music
Too far, my man, don't shit on synth-wave

Nobody cares about cyberpunk: the genre but cyberpunk: the rainy, moody, futuristic aesthetic.

Open your eyes.

could you call it something else please so you're less of an embarrassment

I care about cyberpunk the genre.

The only worthwhile thing the genre has ever produced has been a cool setting and aesthetic designs for machinery and buildings.

Nobody with a brain cares about the hamfisted commie drivel.

>commie
kys honestly

I disregard most Cyberpunk77 criticisms over nodark because these fucking retards don't know what cyberpunk means

Whether CDPR actually makes a good game is a different issue altogether but showing things like rednecks is a bit above the notch in following the setting.

>game 1 gas start menu
10/10

>game 2 has start menu
>0/10

Such hypocrisy!

So which ending did you choose? For me pic related seemed like the best choice compared to living in chaos or having some illuminati fags take over and rule the world from shadows (which led to the events of the game in the first place)

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I prefer to keep my individuality, so Helios ending was out of question. All things considered Illuminati is not a bad ending, at least you get to hang outr with your bros and cure Gray Death.

When DE released we were wondering about the future and cyberpunk
When CP2077 get announced, we were actually living int that future but in a shitty cyberpunk world.
It's the mindset: we play game to evade the world, not for be reminded about our shitty world.

>not for be reminded about our shitty world
lmao, go play mario

u retard.

In the guy's defence he was probably talking about the game Cyberpunk not the genre

>cyberpunk
>commie
I wonder who could be behind this post

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>Do you really want CP2077, a game that's probably gonna take 100+ to do the main and side missions to be dark all the time?
Yes, you dumb fuck nigger.

Enjoy your propaganda games, sweetie

Fuck em all
Tong for life

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Clearly you don't know much about William Gibson, he's considered one of the originators of the genre and hes a flaming commie faggot

I would contend however that Philip K. Dick started it long before him with Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, and he was based and redpilled

>propaganda
enjoy your bing bing wahoo

Then just wake up at night in-game to do missions then you fucking crybaby.

You can't change JC'd looks past the very bare minimum, it might as well not have been there.

Cyberpunk is going to be a shooter with RPG elements, not a true FPP RPG like Deus Ex, this is obvious to pretty much anyone.

Tong is the best choice. Transhuman JC ending is just total subjugation of humanity, and illuminati ending is just a continuation of the status quo. Wiping the slate clean is the best outcome even if it entails massive suffering

>Cyberpunk is going to be a shooter with RPG elements
That's really sad, to be honest. Slavs can't make shooters.

I'm more of a RTS and TBS guy, maybe some cRPG then and now.

>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
But the city there was very far from rainy, neon-filled and gritty. More like wind-swept, arid and abandoned. It's almost like the genre is not bound to a particular locale.

>No dark, rainy, gritty, neon-filled city
Excuse me?

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Untrue.

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I hate how every sigle solution is way too extreme.
1)"Ehi DC, we should keep this building"
>ok
"So we can rule over the whole planet"
>WTF
2)"Ehi DC, we should destroy this building"
>ok
"So we can cut every single connection on the planet and go back to medieval time"
>WTF
"also you gonna die, probably"
3)"Ehi DC, we should fuse"
>ok
"We gonna rule over the planet as AI, also we gonna fuck your brain probably"
>WTF
Here s how it should have ended imo:
kill bad dudes
destroy bad things
keep/rebuild good things

faggot

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Fucking this. They also go to a super high class space resort if I remember correctly and I'm pretty sure that place is well lit and clean.

But this kind of radical ending would pave the way for other games that render a setting absolutely unusable, like Mass Effect 3.

It just goes to show that cyberpunk as a genre is more than just that aesthetic, and it doesn't have to push the same old tired commie anti-captialist message to qualify as cyberpunk

>slavs can't make shooters
>best shooters are made by slavs
what did he mean by this?

Neuromancer is massively overrated and there have been things in the genre which did pretty much every single element of the story better.

Even seemingly retarded shit like Shadowrun is more enjoyable than Neuromancer.

mah niggas

I agree, neuromancer has some cool moments but it's really really overrated.

does it matter how someone else rated it? even if it's actually bad, does that change anything?

Reminder that the last true Deus Ex was Invisible War

did deus ex even have day sections? i dont think i remember any and jock flies you around the world to different places. no way it takes place during 1 night. especially considering timezones.

I think it takes place between 3 to 6 days

Should've never added that "no dark rainy neon light cities" part. Would've been perfect but now that's all you're going to get. People calling you out on it.

Deus ex came out in 2000
Cyberpunk is coming out in 2021

>backpedal and circlestrafe: the game

I SEE
YOUR EYES ARE OPEN

It's actually a techno-thriller.
"A techno-thriller (also known as technothrillers) is a hybrid genre drawing from science fiction, thrillers, spy fiction, action, and war novels. They include a disproportionate amount (relative to other genres) of technical details on their subject matter (typically military technology); only hard science fiction tends towards a comparable level of supporting detail on the technical side. The inner workings of technology and the mechanics of various disciplines (espionage, martial arts, politics) are thoroughly explored, and the plot often turns on the particulars of that exploration."

"Techno-thrillers focus strongly on details, especially on the technology, which is frequently of military origin.[4][5] Techno-thrillers tend to have a broad scope in the narrative, and can often be regarded as contemporary speculative fiction; world wars are a common topic. Techno-thrillers often overlap, as far as the genre goes, with near-future science fiction, military fiction, and espionage fiction.[6] To the extent that technology is now a dominant aspect of modern global culture, most modern thrillers are "techno-thrillers", and the genre is somewhat diffuse. Techno-thrillers blur smoothly into the category of hard science fiction; the defining characteristics of techno-thriller are an emphasis on real-world or plausible near-future technology. There is often a focus on military or military-political action. Techno-thrillers also overlap with conspiracy fiction and apocalyptic fiction."

>Do you really want CP2077, a game that's probably gonna take 100+ to do the main and side missions to be dark all the time?

Why wouldn't I?

I always pick Helios.

>"We gonna rule over the planet as AI, also we gonna fuck your brain probably"
That's not even the WTF part of the Helios ending, it's JC giving in to determinism. It is completely out of character for him.

Reminder that IW was console trash and the worst game in the franchise outside of that garbage mobile game.

Well Helios is the canon choice.

And it sure went well.

None of the endings in Deus Ex games go well. They're just different flavours of the world getting shittier.

it's still good despite being trash

bladerunner autists like to mix up neo noire with cyberpunk

do genrefags realise that genres are just made up to describe things

Technically, Illuminati was the intended good ending, but it's less black and white in the game.

>It doesn't count because I don't like the game personally

A lot of people's only experience with Cyberpunk is GITS and Blade Runner.

What dumb shit is this? Do you seriously believe the reasons you listed are the main reason DX is respected to this day?

Reminder that CDPR has never made a RPG. Only an absolute brainlet will think that CDPR can match the roleplaying depth of one of the best RPGs ever made given their dogshit track record of making shitty slashers with stats.

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This

I miss him, bros.

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Because cool things happen in the night, like using coke or Manderly being quietly elimanted

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Doesnt matter. All 3 are canon except the Helios merge fails

Neuromancer gets the credit for doing it so early.

inb4 Blade Runner, Blade Runner is way different and the book version is WAYYYYYYYY different.

The gameplay vid of CP2077 looked fine, but I wish they made the game look and feel like the 2012 trailer. The new vids seem less atmospheric and heavy.

No cop no buy

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Deus Ex doesn't have kowabunga dialogue

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>square enix got greedy and cut his game in half and it wont ever get completed because the first half reviewed poorly cuz it was incompletedl

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Even GITS is more techno-thriller.

Dios Mex.

No, only 2. Helios canon, Dark Age canon through accident. Illuminati doesn't happen. It by definition can't, status quo and change cannot be achieved at the same time.

>Deus Ex
>disproportionate amount of technical details
Yeah I liked the part where they never explained why the Dragon's Tooth is "non-eutectic", since it's actually completely meaningless

GITS has daytime scenes and they're kino
and hell, Stand Alone Complex is almost entirely daytime. I honestly can't remember a nighttime scene outside the opening animation.

Tracer Tong baby.

Iirc journos gave MD good reviews. The shady business practices of Square though caused poor sales. The game was buggy af on PC as well which were made worse by the DX12 implementation with shit like "walk near the big suspended rock in prague and immediately get a dxdiag error and crash".

Hope there will be some Slav companion instead.
That mix of English-Russian-Czech in Mankind Divided was hilarious.

I'd argue that Do Androids isn't cyberpunk, however I do agree that you don't have to write cyberpunk from a perspective that capital is bad and all problems are due to capital, especially as one of the reasons why cyberpunk corporations are so bad is that they've become the state in many respects.

This

Where did i say anything about time of day?
Deus Ex does go into a disproportionate amount of detail compared to other games in the genre and other games in general. Especially the political stuff.

>if you don't support near-apocalyptic corporatism you're a communist
lol, Americans.

Techno-thrillers can be cyberpunk. They can also not be cyberpunk. You can have a slice of life romantic drama and it can be cyberpunk.

I genuinely don't, or his games.

Neuromancer was the most successful of several works, short stories and books dealing with the same themes and general environment that around from between 1982 and 84. It wasn't the earliest but it was the first to reach critical and commercial success.

>JC we're going to blow up the Internet, this will undo the last 200 years of technological progress and completely destroy global infrastructure, causing us all to revert to dirt farmers living in podunk villages
Wow, you could have told me about Tong's drug addiction sometime before the final level

Looks like China Town GTA

do you faggots believe that CP77 will not have nights?

Also reading through all that genre info and ignoring all the parallels with Deus Ex just to fixate on a sword from the game not having enough description is something a child would do.

>If you're not for the revolution, you're an enemy of it.

Communists everyone. They cannot understand that people can oppose the power of corporatism while also being against their own brand of corporatism.

That looks like anywhere there's a handful of chinese shops.

It's more of a ballet simulator than anything

Corporatism is just such an over played theme in the genre. China is a living breathing example of a dystopian cyberpunk nightmare, and it didn't get there through corporatism

based Tracer Tong
Patriots can't censor the net if the net doesn't exist

Still better than being a slave of the Helios hivemind. Which is what heppens to everyone if you help JC and Paul in IW.

lol, i hope you're not referring to Snow Crash

>Blade Runner is way different and the book version is WAYYYYYYYY different
Yeah, the book was way better

>using knowledge from a sequel affect your decision making
A shitty sequel at that

Paul should have shot him in the head the moment he found him. He even tells you he couldn't buy Helios/JC's BS, but he just couldn't bring himself to abandon his brother.

So it's literally Paul's fault. Tong at least has the excuse of completely losing faith in his own ability to judge what's right.

>reading comprehension
I guess it's too much to expect an American, one who calls everybody that doesn't suck (((corporate))) cock a communist, to be able to read.

Corporatism is only overplayed in western cyberpunk because of the sheer number of sniveling retards who will defend to the death the idea that not supporting corporatism is equivalent to advocating for communism. It's a cultural and contextual thing.
I'm sure the Chinese have their own more anti-communism oriented brand of themes in dystopian fiction. Might be harder to find on the mainland though, considering.

>THIS... is... the Kawasaki effect...
Whoa!

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>Character is literally named JC
>"B-but accepting his fate to sacrifice his mortal coil and ascend to godhood is out of character!!"

user...

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Maybe it would make more sense if they'd gone with the original "descendent of the real Jesus Christ" idea they had

I just don't understand weeaboos at all. They don't like this game because it has some color, but they are ok with playing colorful shit as long as those are Japanese games, particularly Nintendo shit.

Warren Spector already confirmed its Jesus Christ apparently

pcgamer.com/the-jc-in-deus-exs-jc-denton-really-does-stand-for-jesus-christ/

>ps4 cover
Shill.

>build up a character's personality through the story in a consistent manner
>have him repeatedly state what he believes in
>have him vehemently reject Helios' proposal in the second to last conversation
>give him a last second change of heart because "this is what I was made for lol"

Yeah, no. Fuck the Helios ending.

the first one was sold as an immersive sim (thank you warren spectre for being retarded), the second is being sold as an rpg
when it isn't
the definition of rpg is not "you play the role of x"
if you think it is you are incredibly stupid
just impossible stupid
i've tried arguing with people that dumb and there's just no point to it

I disagree. Making your main character a Christ analogue is one of the oldest tricks in the book and I honestly can't think of any example more blatant than Deus Ex as is. Making him also be the literal descendant of Jesus would be beyond jumping the shark.

That wasn't the theorised/rumoured concept, it was the JC was the result of experiments by man to create their own God and JC was the codename. Not that he was a biological descendant.

>Making him also be the literal descendant of Jesus would be beyond jumping the shark.
It's a game that runs entirely on conspiracy theories. "Jesus married and had children" is a conspiracy theory.

Warren Spector didn't come up with the term and IIRC he hates it as well.
It's the same with Roguelike where nobody likes the term but it's what has been used for so long and nobody has a better name for it.

Invisible War/Human Revolution definitely lean more on being a standard RPG than an "immersive sim" though.

Eh i followed the game when it was in development, bought gaming mags just for articles and screens of the game and for the demo. It was always spoken of and talked about as a Sci-Fi RPG by journos at the time.
IW was just a dumbed down consolised version of the first game made to appeal more to the dudebro crowd, you can even see this with change in boxart style.

When will moot do something about Yea Forums?
Completely ass board for any sort of discussion.

I'm opposed to corporate power though. I see them working and using socialist policies and governments to help enforce their control over markets, people and capital. I'm also not an American. I never called people opposed to corporations communists, I said, rightfully, that modern corporatism uses socialism, for example in the UK, large corporations support the use of wider benefits, tax credits and other social systems to artificially deflate wages. If you look at modern corporate media, it's hugely in support of left wing socialist democratic movements and policies and actively promotes left wing thought ironically to produce captive markets.

You're the one who accused me, out of the blue, of liking large multinational corporatons when you're the one actively supporting their goals.

>Warren Spector didn't come up with the term
Pretty sure he did brah

But is still retarded because when he coined the term it was in the sentence
>Conceptually, Deus Ex is a genre-busting game (which really endeared us to the marketing guys) -- part immersive simulation, part role-playing game, part first-person shooter, part adventure game.
After Deus Ex was released.

5 second google search

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All right, so he didn't come up with it, but he still introduced it to the world and used it all the time whilst still also referring to Deus Ex as an RPG.

Based Tong

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