Whoops, guess crapcom still couldn't live up to the new standards Bayonetta set a few years ago...

Bayo 2 isn't even the best Bayonetta. Fuck off with your bait.

It objectively is.

>objectively
How do you figure that? Reviews are subjective, dumbass.

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Dmc bros... This beta male doesn't represent the Bayo community.

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Oh boy, you having to post youtube comments probably means you didn't play the game yourself. What a shocker.

I'm not sure if the perceived value argument works on critics who receive the game for free though???

Isn't this an entire effect where you value things differently based on the manner in which you receive them?

>no arguments
What a shocker.

i do get the point because i do think Bayo 2 has a shit ton of problems, but everyone keeps posting that comment instead of having a own opinion.

Bayo 2 has a lot of things that Bayo 1 doesn't, like better color and story (which is pretty important, Bayo 1 looked so bad and the story was good but the way they told the story was shit tier)

>story
>important in this genre
No

It is true, but most of this is for people doing crazy combo vids and pure platinum runs. I played the games casually and 2 was a much better experience, no QTE instant deaths and and witch time felt good. I do remember thinking that the torture attacks were meaningless, I think I only did them for the trophy or whatever you had to do 100 for.

nah, Bayo 2 score includes the Nintendo Bonus, overall they're equally good

this

tihs person doesn't know how to screencap
this explains jackshit

playing DMCV i'm kinda upset to realize that it's the only upcoming action game that's gonna look as good as it does, it's downhill from here in terms of visual fidelity

>nah, Bayo 2 score includes the Nintendo Bonus
How to spot a shitposter.

>DMCucks in total damage control
OH NONONONONO

DMC3's story and personality put it back on the fucking map, and have remained such a staying power that it's generally what dante's both most known for and most represented by

the game is still fun, which is the important part. Sure, Bayo 1 has better gameplay and shit, however that doesn't mean Bayo 2 is bad or average. The game is pretty fun overall.

All of the parts come together to be part of the experience. You can have a good game without a good story/music/setting, but you can have a better game with those things being good/great.

>but most of this is for people doing crazy combo vids and pure platinum runs
The only reason to play these games.
>I played the games casually
So your opinion is irrelevant.

>it's downhill from here in terms of visual fidelity
good

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I never said Bayo 2 was bad. I love the game. I said Bayo 2 isn't as good as Bayo 1.

You don't care about my opinion, I don't really care about yours.

i agree with you user, i agree.

I don't think that's the case. There's certainly been instances where unhappy publishers cut outlets with unfavorable reviews out, or gain first access through score fixing, but the whole point of outlet reviews is to impart to a paying customer what they're getting for their money, and if it's worth it. They could personally be jaded because their position lets them play almost everything, but if that bleeds into the review it's useless from the consumer's standpoint.
I can think of another instance of perceived value giving a release a boost in score, Final Fantasy Anthology. It had the first official translation of FF5 bundled together with fan-favorite FF6 and was praised as an unbeatable bargain. But FF5's translation in the release was terrible, both games took a hit in the audio department, and the load times were terrible. I feel if these games had been released individually at $50 apiece, these flaws would've received sharper criticism. But both of them together for $50, well that was just a good deal. I don't believe Bayo 2 is a truly bad game, but I absolutely believe its value got a boost from having the superior Bayo 1 included.
I'll admit this doesn't relate to the digital release of Bayo 2 on the Wii U, but most reviews specifically mention the Bayo 1 pack-in regardless, and both games were available on Switch's shop at a reasonable $30 tag right at release. Again, the value made a difference.

The first Bayonetta was a masterpiece.

Sekiro is the only one that even comes close Bayonetta 3 is gonna look like a trash bag.

Shame that Nintendo is the only company financing Bayonetta. I would love to see my wife with actual graphics.

Thats just Nintendo exclusivity bonus though. The overwhelming majority agrees that Bayo>Bayo 2 in each and every way and yet the journo metacritics for 1 is lower.

Imagine hating a company so much you can't believe a game on their system is good. A game not even made by said company.

Bayonetta 2 looks good, but whatever

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Bayonetta 1 would've been a better comparison. I actually think Bayo 1 is better because of the balance. I really want DMC5 to be updated since I could see some improvements to make it a really good game than can stand beside the greats.

Hell no it didn't have a better story. Most of that shit felt like filler up until the end. They amped up Bayo's sass that when it tried to do 'emotional moment' they completely fell flat. And I think they tried to make a point that they wouldn't censore the game since it was a nintendo exclusive by slapping in a bunch of curse words which just came off as retarded writing. Everything about Bayo 1 was better.

>in each and every way

Wrong. Bayo 2 is mercifully free on QTEs.

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>youtube
>russian

won't even read it. Bayo 2 IS a better game, just deal with it.

>DMC and Bayo trash fighting for runner up
Lmao

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Devils May Cry is nothing without this man.

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>KH
Kek absolutely delusional.

Silly Barry, everyone knows that user scores are the more reliable metric.

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>what is Nintendo bonus

Something that exists in your head.

DMC not Baynoetta 1 isn't Sony exclusive

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then why is it cited by others as a thing so often?

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I was hoping the spoiler text was you admitting this was just weak bait fishing for yous, you let me down user

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>others
You mean other mentally ill people like you who have some kind of hate boner for nintendo?

Who says Bayo 1 is better? 2 has an actual color palette and no instant death QTE bullshit.

What do you think is worse about Bayo 2 than Bayo 1?
I never played 2, but most Ive spoken to say its better in most every way aside from Bayonetta's actual character design.

This only counts for obscure games.

Games with a cult followings will either get straight 10's or 1's.

The only thing Metacritic is good for is reading the fair reviews instead of looking at numbers consisting of how the writer felt back then.

Nintendo bonus. Nintendo stole Bayonetta 2 from the vidya industry

laff

have you even played it

Nintendo bonus isn't real you mentally ill sack of shit.

Lots of implications there

Who mentioned Sony?

Combat, enemy design and boss fights are all worse in Bayo 2. The only people who actually think Bayo 2 is better than Bayo 1 are the people who played both casually for one playthrough.

>nintendo bonus is not real! honest!

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lol. 2 is worse

Yes it is, Nintendo and Disney bonus is a thing. If a reviewer give a Nintendo games too many bad scores they will stop sending them review-copies, same thing with Disney movies

I've never seen someone as retarded as you before. Jesus christ, take your meds you imbecile.

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That shit got the nintendo bonus.

>That spacing

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There are simply no evidences that it is.

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Oddly enough I have a friend who just beat Bayo 1 and is now on Bayo 2 who holds exactly this opinion. That said, he also struggled with many parts of Bayonetta 1, but his biggest complaint were the climax moves and QTEs, saying Bayo 2 improves on both of these.

7 retards on Yea Forums is not a majority

That's because Bayo 2 is babby's first cuhrayzee game, retard. DMC5 offers more depth. The reason why they gave it a higher score was because they didn't want to git gud, but the game carried it for them.

Also enjoy waiting for that zombie of a third game. It'll take a while. Meanwhile the chad Itsuno waited four years to reveal his game with gameplay.

that's common for more companies than just nintendo and disney. reviews coming out before release or on launch day are shills, nothing more. they need to be on their good side to get future review-copies

Why do nintendo autists obsess over nintendo IPs yet only thing they ever play are bing bing wahoos and smash bros?

Imagine if Bayo2 was multi-plat and this Nintendie couldn't care less what score it got.

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>Witch time spam, cutscenes and QTE's up the bum
>Good game

Nah.

Even if it's worse, we don't get AAA style Bmups that often anyway. Seems at least a worthy follow-up to 4. Itsuno seems to have got lucky with Dragons Dogma, he is otherwise just a polished but boring rehasher.

>I've never seen someone as retarded as you before.
You new here?

Why do people keep posting this one example when it doesn't proves their point?

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The image is meant to show that IGN is fucking retarded.

>expecting anything from mouth breathing retards

>same game
>different scores
Fucking retards are judging either the console, or the technical quality of the port, yet still pass it off as a review of the game.

>wife
Sure I'd love to believe you but many retards on Tumblrland and Twitter Paradise think she's a dyke. Talk about forcing that shit into a game that doesn't need it. One more reason to prefer the chad DMC.

>it's another underage console war autist baiting with games they haven't ever touched in his life episode

If Nintendo bought Ninja Theory these faggots would shill DmC til the end of the world

>same game
Except its not the same game because last time I checked I couldnt play the ps4 version on a handheld console
Port and console experience should be in the score in every review because otherwise PC saints row 2 would have gotten a 10/10 even tho the game barely works on PC

Pretty much my opinion. Remove the QTEs that kill you from Bayonetta 1 and it becomes a 10/10 game. The ones on the bosses are annoying but at least they don't kill you and just reset.

Torture attacks are only good for getting a guaranteed health drop.

Then why is it posted here?
Regardless, that review is about the Switch port of the game, not the game itself, and isn't used on Metacritic.
metacritic.com/game/switch/doom/critic-reviews

>Except its not the same game because last time I checked I couldnt play the ps4 version on a handheld console
This was never a good excuse for rehashing old hardware, toddler, considering the Vita could always stream PS4 and now even iOS can. Which shows your own example completely BTFOs your point since the quality of a console and its ability to play a game should be independent of the review of a game itself (a website should review the game itself once and put technical notes about the respective technical performance on each system as end notes, which could even be updated to reflect performance fixes).

>Port and console experience should be in the score in every review because otherwise PC saints row 2 would have gotten a 10/10 even tho the game barely works on PC
It shouldn't be in the score itself since only utter tastelets can't get past technical aspects in their appreciation of a game. No reviewer would have guessed we'd eventually have BOTW at 4K60fps and therefore they should have assessed the game independent of such trivialities regarding the software itself. A review should review the fucking game itself and have system performances at the end, not rehash itself multiple times for every single edition (Skyrim is laughable in that respect).

Brainlets.

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I enjoy both games bitch boy. Waiting for a crossover any day .

>Port and console experience should be in the score in every review because otherwise PC saints row 2 would have gotten a 10/10 even tho the game barely works on PC
Also, like the Switch portability point, you BTFO yourself once again with this example: PC ports are often trashed simply for being resource intensive, even in cases where it is technically the best possible version of the game (you just need an awesome rig to use that potential).

Your own example shows the technical/hardware side will vary from machine to machine and that it would be idiotic to score the PC port lower or higher simply because it is simultaneously the best and worst version of the game.

Factoring the hardware performance into a review score of the software is stupid, it's as stupid as factoring in the retail price (which also varies from store to store, year to year).

Then go play games at 12 FPS and 480p and come here to tell me that it doesn’t matter it’s a 10/10 game.
Don’t act surprised when people laugh and point at you.

>ruins your game with QTE and badly implemented Space Harrier clone
Itsuno and Mikami have always been the better directors than Hackmiya.

(You)
Fine bait, you'll get some people with that

Bayonetta 2 is a pinnacle of 'praised by casuals who don't know any better the game'. All you've done here user is proved how little you know about the genre and how much of a normalfag you are.

HMMMM.... we went from bayo being better than the new dmc to sonyfanboys(?) bashing the switch yet again. Why does this always happen?

>I like one thing better than the other, therefore I'm more educated on the topic than you

Go sniff your own farts elsewhere, faggot.

>if you can recognise the fact that a piece of software can be amazing despite no current hardware doing it justice (a rare hypothetical even, usually even the bad ports are playable or become so) that means you are logically committed to playing such terrible executions of that software rather than using the best version or waiting for it to exist or merely lamenting that no one cared enough to do it justice.
Brainlet.

So if the best game ever was made but no hardware could run it and it was priced insanely at say 1000 USD, we would have to give it a shit score even though in even say a year later it got fully optimised and made F2P it's still the same fucking game. Great.

Because software and hardware are separate and we should rightfully point out how shitty the Switch's power is even if some of its exclusives are the best in their genre.

Cope.

The whole "nintendo bonus" is your fanboys cope mechanism to somehow ignore reality and blame it on some non existant thing, all for the purpose of not having to accept reality.

Bayonetta is better than Devil May Cry, it controls better and there are more combat options, the level design, story and pacing are better too.

>No logical start, not at the center nor at the top nor at the bottom
>Everything is random, Barry posts and anti-barry posts are mixed together
Whoever made this one also makes those hilarious Twitter screencaps with the color saturation amped up to eleven, a.k.a. it's bad.

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Wow this movie really is fantastic shame the sound is late and the brightness is turned so low you can’t see anything also it stutters and skips frames but it’s a 10/10 for sure!!!

>I don't know shit about games but trust me this hsallow experience is GREAT
True retard rhetoric.

You are seething so hard you can't even type properly anymore. Kinda pathetic if you think about it. Calm down before you reply to me again.

Again your own example BTFOs your point. Your shittty pirate copy, shitty DVD pressing, shitty local cinema, or shitty streaming service should not effect your score of the movie itself. Especially since all those issues could be lessened or eliminated with some media player tweaks or simply better distributions of the movie.

I guess brainlets are such children they need their software reviewers to account for hardware performance, pricing, availability, settings that need changed from defaults, how to start up the game etc and all manner of life's problems for them to play the game.

>good games cant exist when better games exist
Why do you go on Yea Forums if you hate videogames so much?

>Bayonetta
>Story
>Pacing

You seem to think games can’t be badly written and optimized. If I hard cap a game at 15 FPS and don’t let it go above that ever then that affects the game and I should judge it with that in mind

But such designs are still a technical triviality and are often even overcome by community patches

Each DMC5 character alone has more moves and a higher skill ceiling than bayo
And there are no garbage QTEs or shooting sections. Itsuno fucking won

DMC also has to deal with tons of fujos.

>fujos
Jesus, I forgot about that.

>user implying that V has higher skill ceiling than Bayo
>Literally a two buttons character, getting SSS ranks while doing almost nothing
Fuck off out here, faggot.

>Game journos are to be hated and reviled, until it suits my personal opinions and then their word is god

Sasuga, Nintendy

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>Talking this much shit while you defend Bayo"Hit the UC to get Pure Platinum"netta 2.

Managing Shadow's position is tenfold harder than any input required by your toddler game.

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>DMC
>Story
>Pacing
Two can play your game, lad

Why can't you keep nintendos dick out of your mouth?

What went wrong Snoybros?

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It wasn't ported on the Switch so it don't get Nintendo's bonus points.

Its 80 without ninceldo bonus, soi faggot kun

You are 100% brain dead if you think KH is anywhere near the tier of the other two games on that list

>it's some arbitrary made up score based on my made up rules

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DmC5 is much, much better than Bayo 1 or 2

Bayo is better than all DmC's before it, however

Let's have this conversation again once you're out of the honeymoon phase.

t. waifufaglet

>People in 2019 still want to play dumb on tendie bonus

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It looks fine. Wouldn't say good or bad. Not much difference from 1

Nintendo Bonus.

As a KH fanboy, this is a fucking joke

>People STILL asking what’s wrong with Bayo 2
>When asked how it’s better than 1 themselves all they can say is it has color and no insta death QTEs
Truly a fucking shame what they did with 2. Hurt even more when all journos just ate it up cause they mashed buttons and combo came out

why are toddlers so obsessed? every single time a open world games comes out, it gets compared to botw. now an actual game comes out, it gets compared to bayo. no one cares about you fags

Why are DMCfags so chill while Bayofags so angry all the time? Is it because Bayo 3 was announced 1 and a half year ago and still doesn't have a single screenshot? I understand being mad because the game you're excited for is in development hell but there is no need to take it out on other people.

How can you talk about being obsessed and realize the irony of what you are saying. Bayonetta was not made by nintendo. YOU brought up nintendo, nobody else. If there is anyone obsessed it's you with nintendo.

The general majority consensus is that 2 is better shitposter

>YOU brought up nintendo, nobody else.
op brought up nintendo you utter autist jesus christ kill yourself

I'm a way bigger Bayo fan than DMC but what sucks for me is the realization that no matter what Bayo 3 is not going to be anywhere near the level of DMCV. Not even going to mention Astral Chain because that might as well be a $15 indie game in comparison.

After reading the post again I could not find a single instance of "nintendo" in the OP. The game is made by platinum games. The OP doesn't mention nintendo.

You aren't Bayo fan, just a shitposter and clearly a DMC fanboy.

>Bayofags
>implying anyone itt is a Bayofag
You can tell none of these guys care about Bayonetta when they say 2 is better than 1. These are false flagging faggots and consolewar shitposters who don't give a single fuck about either franchise.

You can't expect anything else from a fanbase of manchildren who plays on a fisher price tablet.

>Itsuno cockblocked Dante from Smash
>until he puts a DMC game on the Switch
>will only do that with DMCV if Dragon's Dogma sells (which won't)

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Everyone already knows that DMC5 is flawed af. Stop putting it on a pedestal.

>brings up nintendo for no reason
I guess that's your coping mechanism.

He might be right about Bayo 3 if only because the development seems tumultuous. Announced December 2017 and we have seen literally nothing since that cryptic teaser as of March 2019. Koizumi has to point out in the last direct that the game is still in development. Hashimoto, Bayo 2's director, has left Platinum. Astral Chain is slated for August and is Platinum's big release for the year. I don't think it's going to be bad unless our first glimpse shows as such, but it's definitely not a good look. We don't even know who's directing the game now, since Kamiya certainly isn't one to go back in a full directorial role for sequels, and Saito is likely directing Babylon's Fall.

What somebody said earlier in this thread, that people who like 2 more have only played through both once, is spot-on. I know because that was me. Going back to both you can feel that 2's combat system balance was fucked, which is a shame since I like the weapons, designs, and story a lot more, and Kamiya's worst idiosyncrasies that were present in 1 aren't there.

YOU FAGGOT

DO NOT USE BAYONETTA TO FALSEFLAG SHITPOST

>why yes, DMC should have an God of War like direction

A smaller number of users, who rarely get action games, gushing over a drop of rain in the desert, versus the opinions of a much larger group, who get action games more regularly and have more developed tastes in such things, being critical of a huge series sequel (after a 10 year wait)

Obvioisly the first one is gonna be reviewed more positively.

It's only flawed if you're a complete faggot.

You do realize that journalists don't care about your little fanboy wars and usually have access to all platforms, meaning they play all of those games unlike some imbecile like you that wilfully locks himself to platforms?

Nah, this thread even made me want to go replay some Bayo 2.

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Imagine being this delusional fanboy.

>Bayofan
>would rather play Bayo 2 than 1
Nope

Stop using good games to shut post, that is for snoyniggers.

Bayo 2 is fucking garbage compared to bayo 1. If you cant see this your clearly blinded by the nintendo exclusivity

Bayonetta was a qte infested trash.

Who gave you the authority to gate other people out of a fandom? Get the stick out of your arse, you are not some important authority on the topic, you are just some random asshole who overvalues his opinion and his ego is the size of the average american redneck.

It's not a perfect game but "flawed as fuck" isn't right. Here's everything I'd consider wrong with the game:
>Color palette is way too muted
>Subhuman is still not good so you either have to deal with it or get Deluxe to set something like Lock'n'Load or DMC3 Battle 1 instead
>Level design doesn't vary much visually despite getting a whole city and a giant demon tree; the tree means that the endgame has less variety than the early game until the very end
>Twist so obvious that a lot of people guessed it as a joke
>Trish and Lady do literally fucking nothing but get caught and rescued
>Red Orb revives only exist to tempt anybody bad enough at the game to need them to buy them
>V's gameplay doesn't evolve much and is not used often, likely because they knew he wouldn't return
That doesn't stop it from having the best core gameplay for Dante/Nero in the series as well as the best visuals, best overall OST in spite of Subhuman, arguably the best set of weapons, & a pretty strong story even if it's not on par with 3.

DMCV is extremely pretty but it's kinda a snoozefest compared to Bayonetta 2. Bayo 2 still holds up quite well and feels fast.

the main complaint is that on non-stop infinite climax, enemies are basically invincible in bayo 2. they'll dodge, power through all your attacks and break out of combos, so the only strategy really is to use witch time

Sometimes trash has a better rating than garbage. Doesn't mean much.

Shit resolution
Shit storytelling
it's just "haha fuck Barry"

>feels fast.
When you're actually doing things yes, but the whole issue with Bayo 2 is that since the game and its enemies are built around Witch Time, the game's entire flow changes. In 1 the game was built around Dodge Offset, which meant you were expected to go with the flow set by the enemy without stopping your attack string so you can consistently reach Wicked Weaves at the end. In 2 Offset takes a backseat to Witch Time which leads to Bayo just waiting to get a dodge so she can actually do whatever the fuck she wants for a few seconds before waiting again because several enemies are cunts to try and fight outside of WT. Then there's Umbran Climax which is the "bypass this shit" button that makes Torture Attacks feel worthless, especially since Angel weapons are worse than in 1.

Bayo 2 is still a good game that improves on 1 in several ways but fucking up that core concept of the combat makes it a worse game overall. When you first beat it it feels better but the more you go back the worse it feels. Bayo 1 is like an 8.5/10, maybe a 9/10, while Bayo 2 is a 7.5-8/10.

t. actually owned a Wii U. W101 is Platinum's best game for the record.

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>Most of the thread is people telling off OP for being a faggot because DMC fans are also Bayo fans

Proud of you, Yea Forums

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>W101 is Platinum's best game for the record.
Incorrect. That would be Vanquish.

Why do I always get Barry and Lee mixed up.

Not sure. They're known for very different things. Lee is much, much more straightforward. You post any image from a certain website, cropped or not, and he spams forum screenshots while calling you an Argentinian and saying you should kill yourself.

I'm pretty sure most of the thread is some desperate fanboys trying to turn this into sony vs nintendo for no apparent reason.

Go Play DMC:Devil may Cry it might be more up your alley im sure you will love it

Ah. Saw one of Lee's post recently and it seems he was specifically targetting "JustPassingThrough" whoever that is

Nin bros are still mad about not getting DMC5 huh? Sad desu.

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Sorry, you are right, user. Yea Forums is so annoying with all this shitposting and hatred that sometimes I end up arguing with unsuitable hyperbole.

Oh wow, you are deflecting? Never thought that would happen!

Are DMC3 and 5 the only great DMC games?

1/3/4/5 are all great, but 3 & 5 are a cut above. 1 is the shortest and has a lot of "THAT part" sections as well as the most limited weapon selection (as much as I like Ifrit and Shotgun). 4 had the most open combat in the series up to that point, even more in 4SE with three additional characters, but the game was clearly unfinished and what they did finish had pretty poor level design. 3 is a damn-near perfect game while 5 improves on 4 in almost every way (including parts that 4 did better than 3) but trails behind 3 in a couple ways like story.

Given the choice I'd always pick DMC cause i prefer the characters.

Why are do we have to make a fucking war when we barely get games like this?

Because nintendies are mad since they aren't getting DMC5

>Nintendo stole Bayonetta 2
People are STILL whining about Bayonetta five years later. Queen of salt.

>bayo 2
>best in genre
Maybe if you're an extremely casual player.

I know I'm retarded for replying to myself but at least in DMC's case those fujoshifags aren't as in your face as the trannies and lesbians from Twitter/Tumblr wanting to force in their bullshit for Bayo. All I see for DMC is cuhrayzee gameplay clips, Dante pizza shit, Vergil motivation memes, etc and those are all very funny and lighthearted. Mind you I'm just an outsider with a really huge interest in getting into the series but I lack the platforms or a powerful PC to play, so what do I know.

I'm a Nintendo nigger and I'd really like to at least have the first four and Donte. I think it'd be nice to branch out from Bayonetta. Besides Astral Chain which is coming out but we'll have to look for information on that. I don't mind not having DMC5, but Capcom was instrumental in asking Nintendo to increase the RAM for Switch just to have it run the RE Engine. I'm not sure if a cloud edition like RE7 (which totally sold very well in Japan) could work for DMC5 because it's a fast-paced action game, and you want it to be as smooth as possible.

Based Wii U/Cemubro