Fuck Fire Emblem

It's close, but it has the best OST of the trilogy imo (original, TTYD, and Super)

>Mario & Luigi killed Paper Mario
>Fire Emblem killed Advance Wars
>Mario Kart killed F-Zero
For fuck's sake Miyamoto.

Beta footage/images for Sticker Shite have gameplay way more similar to TTYD, but Miyamotto told them to change it...

how will FEfags ever recover

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Compare that to Nintendo's treatment of Metroid, a genre defining true veteran...

Ironic

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>Nintendo has been forcing this series for years with mediocre results
Well it is the oldest still living SRPG series, and SRPGs really went through a bad time in the 2000's for a bit. Honestly the fact that they tried to keep the genre alive for so long despite it not being the most profitable is pretty commendable. Salesfags won't understand though I guess.

The game just had so much character development.

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>mediocre results
"No!"

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they adapted by making it a dating sim and VN-lite
I'd sacrifice the entire Fire Emblem series for just one more Final Fantasy Tactics or Tactics Ogre

I would gladly rip out FE's still beating heart for another good Paper Mario

Yeah surprising how a company would prefer to focus on its own IP and build a brand rather than be another Mario game factory(Alphadream and Camelot).

the one thing this argument never ever talks about is how FE actually has a large MC roster to pull from. They have new MCs every game.

Did Zelda, Splatoon, and AC sell more than FE? sure, but at this point there aren't many fighters they could add since Zelda only ever has had the same 3-4 MCs and All the inklings/villagers play exactly the same. You could maybe get Tingle and an Octoling echo but after that you're basically scraping the bottom of the well for those series.

That all said, I would be fine if they lowered the total FE reps down to 3-4 for the next game. Heck, most people were fine with the FE reps in Smash 4 until the DLC added 2 more sword lords, and Ultimate really only has 7 FE reps because the entire point of this game was EVERYONE IS HERE!

But no, keep screaming MUH 7 SLOTS! MUH MORE DESERVED REP! PLEASE PANDER TO ME!!!!!

japanese sales matter more than other sales.

They both existed at the same time, user. This is peak dumbassery.

Also, for clarity, TTYD and PM64 are both in my top 3 favorite games while no FE game breaks the top 10, before anyone calls me an FE defender.

Smash bros is a game by babies for babies

Main dev: Not gonna put story mode in because they uploaded it to youtube!

fanbase: biggest circle jerk this side of witcher

The thing is that when Fire Emblem started booming here, Paper Mario suffered a steep decline in quality.

Causation is not correlation. FE didn't start "booming" until 2013 anyway, unless you're saying SPM is on the same level as 64 and TTYD.

I fucking loved Super Paper Mario, and is the best of the trilogy imo

not him but storywise SPM still had that 'paper mario charm'

but I also know that Sticker Star had nothing to do with Awakening

I wish Japanese people retired. I know he's not technically involved in much anymore, but if he says something, people will still listen to him.

I forgot about that. He was just playing Super Mario Bros in Japanese, but NoA decided to turn it into an advertisement.

>not him but storywise SPM still had that 'paper mario charm'

No it didn't, it had a horribly written story.

My 8 year old brain exploded when I tapped A and got up as shadow mario.
The music even stops until you press the button.

youtube.com/watch?v=pzOBlPKZjxE

Advance Wars killed itself with the DS game.

And Paper Mario killed itself with Sticker Star. It then buried itself with Color Trash

People who complain about FE are autistic as fuck.

Paper Mario was killing itself with Super Paper Mario. Sticker Star just made people realize it was dead.

Paper Mario is still fine.

>Sticker Star just made people realize it was dead.

Hence the 2.5 million sales. I guess it was dead from the start by your perspective.

The only man who can save Paper Mario now is stuck working on the Fire Emblem card game

Here's the BIG issue with Paper Mario.

People don't realize that the N64 did not sell well. Folks know all about the gamecube, but N64 also sold poorly compared to previous successes.

Thus, the N64 and Gamecube paper mario games, which are also the turn based beloved ones, sold poorly. Then the ones for the Wii and 3DS sold well because the Wii and 3DS sold incredibly well.

Thus, to Nintendo,
traditional paper mario = poor sales,
new paper mario = good sales

Who is that, user?

And we're not even allowed to make that argument anymore because FE fans and any other cancerous Smash fanbase have adopted "Metroid fans are whiny and entitled" as their automatic deflection of any and all criticism.

Ryota Kawade director of the only three Paper Mario games

Metroidfags are whiny as fuck. Get your shit together.

Kawade, right? He's the director for the first 3 games.

So what you're saying Super Paper Mario was Kawades idea? Miyamoto was producer only for the 1st two, maybe they should have him lead dev.

>And we're not even allowed to make that argument anymore because FE fans and any other cancerous Smash fanbase have adopted "Metroid fans are whiny and entitled" as their automatic deflection of any and all criticism.

This is our plight

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The gameplay wasn't his idea
That was Tanabe

I remember any criticism I had of Ridley's representation was immediately met with "WTF SHUT UP, JUST BE HAPPY HE'S HERE!"

They said that because you're a whiny cunt. Metroid fans are obnoxious.

They have 7 reps and thier series is alive. I think it's safe to say they've won.

If only Zelda, Mario, FE, etc got a canon breaking, character destroying game like Other M after the greatness of the Prime Trilogy.

Then they'd understand.

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>makes Mario vs DK into mobile trash
>dooms Dillon
>triggered Metroid fans
>made Chibi Robo into a shitty, generic 2D platformer and told everyone if that game didn't do well, the series was dead
>killed Paper Mario and is making sure the series never returns to form
>took Miyamoto's least favorite character and made him the primary NPCs

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Don't lie, the gameplay was Kawade's idea:

>nintendo.co.uk/News/2007/Interview-Super-Paper-Mario-249673.html

>Ryota Kawade: "After we developed the previous game, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, I wanted to make a game that can surprise people with brand new features within the Paper Mario concept.

>"Then, when I was drawing up some plans, I came up with an idea of switching between 2D and 3D. I felt that the more traditional Mario-style battles worked better in this game in order to effectively utilise this idea of dimension-swapping, which is why we opted for this style."

>Muh Other M
holy fuck just let it go

To be fair he only gave (admittedly bad) advice, it was the director of the game who applied that advice in the worst possible ways. It's kind of like telling a marathon runner to maybe not push himself so much and him responding by cutting his legs off so he can never run again

Kawade's not some golden boy:

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Zeldafags regularly argue about every game released after Link to the Past and Mario has to deal with muh soulless meme with every game released after 2005. Shut the fuck up you stupid insecure faggot.

>Chad AlphaDream disregards bad Shiggy suggestions
>Beta Intelligent Systems drops everything and starts over to appease Shiggy

>Did Zelda, Splatoon, and AC sell more than FE? sure, but at this point there aren't many fighters they could add since Zelda only ever has had the same 3-4 MCs and All the inklings/villagers play exactly the same. You could maybe get Tingle and an Octoling echo but after that you're basically scraping the bottom of the well for those series.

Get read to be called out on your BS. None of the following characters can be considered 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' when we just got Piranha Plant, FFS.

>Zelda series
- Impa
- Tetra
- Pig Ganon (Aganihm echo)
- Linkle
- Ashei
- Midna
- Nabooru (Urbosa echo)
- Daruk
- Mipha

>Splatoon
- Octolings

>Animal Crossing
- LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF ANIMALS TO CHOOSE FROM

Paper Mario fags are Metroidfag tier autistic now

>Prime trilogy
>great

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paper mario went to shit long before awakening retard.

This is why Fire Emblem has 7 reps while Zelda has three Links.

get another character in smash, lol

Miyamoto hates toad?

>Paper Mario Sticker Star - Nov. 11, 2012
>Fire Emblem: Awakening - Apr. 19, 2012
HMMM

Super Paper Mario

...was a great game, I agree.

Octolings and Animal Villagers outside Nook have the exact same movepool to take from Inklings and Villager/Isabelle, but we both know this and both know that's not the point at all.

Super Paper Mario was not that good.

Zelda got Skyward Sword. Paper Mario had Sticker Star and Colour Splash, and to a lesser extent Super Paper Mario

At least Metroid had more than two good games. All we get is two.

Was Mario vs. DK ever good, though? I remember playing the original GBA game way back when, and it felt clunky and slow, not at all like the original Game Boy game that inspired it.

But no one in their right mind would choose to have another sword-wielding FE character over Midna or Pig Ganon. Sakurai is insane.

>Octolings and Animal Villagers outside Nook have the exact same movepool to take from Inklings and Villager/Isabelle
Says who? When including minor or obscure characters (e.g. Piranha Plant, Isabelle, Mr. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, etc.) most of the moves are invented, not inherited from the games themselves. You can't just assume their moveset would be the same as Villager's, you have no reason to think that.

How is it insane? Roy, Ike, Robin and Corrin had games released at the right time to be included in Smash.

>When including minor or obscure characters (e.g. Piranha Plant, Isabelle, Mr. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, etc.) most of the moves are invented, not inherited from the games themselves.
What the fuck are you talking about?

If FE can do it other series should be able to do it too.

Zelda did it before FE. And AC is starting to do it with Isabelle.

And plenty of classic and obscure characters that are currently in the roster didn't. The point OP seems to be making is that Nintendo is forcing FE on people when more beloved franchises are starving for representation by comparison. And with Zelda, at least, it's not hard to think of new characters to include.

>And plenty of classic and obscure characters that are currently in the roster didn't.
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Pit
R.O.B.
Duck Hunt
King K. Rool
Who else would classify as classic and obscure? Shulk? It's not that many characters.

Please tell me the Mario series games that Piranha Plant's moveset is based on. When did Piranha Plant fly? Headbutt? When did the Duck Hunt dog exhibit the ability to make cans and bottles appear? You said that the Animal Villagers have "the exact same movepool" to choose from as Villager and Isabelle, but that's not necessarily true at all. Nintendo can and does make shit up on the fly.

>The point OP seems to be making is that Nintendo is forcing FE on people when more beloved franchises are starving for representation by comparison.
The point OP is making is that FE is somehow responsible for the downfall of Paper Mario. He's wrong. Paper Mario doomed itself.

Color Splash is significantly better than Super Paper Mario.

Captain Falcon wasn't exactly an icon before Super Smash Bros. There are also minor characters like Wolf and Wii Fit Trainer (not even considered a "character" prior to Smash Bros). Point being, they've "scraped the bottom of the well" before, and they can do it again.

A lot of Piranha Plant's moves are based on stuff a Piranha Plant species has done. Duck Hunt uses a lot of zapper games. Isabelle and Villager use AC items. Movesets for Smash Bros characters have been getting more and more game accurate as the series goes on.

>comparing Skyward Sword to the shit heap that is Sticker Star

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Oh pray tell what was so bad about SPM, besides being a platformer. It still had a story and unique NPCs, something which Tanabe's garbage doesn't provide. You're running under the assumption that Kawade would make another SPM type of game.

Captain Falcon was from a series that was getting new games. Wolf was popular and easy to implement due to his similarities with Fox. And WFT is unrelated to this argument.

fuck fire emblem

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>Oh pray tell what was so bad about SPM, besides being a platformer. It still had a story and unique NPCs,

Its not bad for being a plaformer. Its bad for being:
>a slow tedious platformer with no momentum,
>boring flat level design never increasing in challenge.
>Menu surfing to change abilities
>NPCs look like they were made in paint.
>Tries to push a story but has no character development.
>90% of scenes are characters standing still exchanging words.
>main villains poorly written into scenarios, Except for chapter 2 villains have nothing to do with the scenarios jusy ambush Mario.
>Every plot point is followed/justified by "This is part of the prophecy"

There's a lot more but id be here all day.

>something which Tanabe's garbage doesn't provide.

Tanabe has had the same role as Producer for SPM, SS and CS.

>You're running under the assumption that Kawade would make another SPM type of game.

Kawade said that he'd wanted the next Paper Mario after SPM to surprise people.

Dont blame FE for AW's failings.

weird i never realized it was the same studio, i loved pm and didn't like the fe i tried a decade ago

>He doesn't know

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They could pull a dozen reps out of fuckin Hyrule Warriors alone.
BotW could have four great reps from the Champions, even if Urobosa would be a swordsman.