What went right?
What went right?
Isaiah Wright
Brody Peterson
music and atmosphere and having the best touchscreen action mechanics on the system.
Jace Fisher
It had this zetta rad dude in it
Isaiah Reyes
Certainly not the Switch port. What a lazy cash in.
Blake Thompson
fpbp
Jack Ramirez
TIME
Lucas Long
switch port was fucking garbage.
Adam Phillips
I WON’T EVER GIVE IN
Ayden Miller
I actually had some fun playing coop with a friend.
Mason Gonzalez
>What went right?
>fashion is a central gameplay mechanic and story theme
>clothing doesn't even change your appearance, despite this being a basic feature present in other RPGs that don't even revolve around fashion
What did Nomura mean by this?
Charles Harris
Have you seen the amount of clothing options in TWEWY and the animation of the sprites themselves? There’s like 400 of those suckers, no way in hell they were going to be able to put all of that in a tiny ass DS cartridge.
James Myers
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU PULL ME IN
Isaac Kelly
>Have you seen the amount of clothing options in TWEWY and the animation of the sprites themselves? There’s like 400 of those suckers, no way in hell they were going to be able to put all of that in a tiny ass DS cartridge.
Not an argument when there are DOS RPGs where armor changes your appearance. The DS, while a handheld, was still more capable than something as ancient as DOS.
Oliver Ramirez
It's easy to change appearances with low-res static sprites and only a handful of cosmetic options that can be lazily layered over the base sprite.
TWEWY is nothing like that. To portray the clothing options would take an unbelievable amount of time and data.
Lincoln Green
Have you actually played the game? Because the amount of shit TWEWY has on screen kind of makes it flat out impossible. Hell, the songs themselves took up a whole quarter of the cartridge space.
Colton Wright
I KNOW GRAVITY AIN’T AN EXCUSE
Kevin Hall
>It's easy to change appearances with low-res static sprites and only a handful of cosmetic options that can be lazily layered over the base sprite.
What hypothetical DOS game are you even referring to here?
And aren't you contradicting yourself here? First you said the DS was technologically too limited to have clothing change your appearance, and now suddenly the DS is far more technologically powerful than DOS games, since according to you, those were only capable of showing "low-res static sprites and only a handful of cosmetic options that can be lazily layered over the base sprite"?
Which is it?
Nolan Barnes
Dumb frogposter
Ayden Williams
First one was me, dude, and again, TWEWY has way too much going on in both screens to be able to put that much shit on the characters.
Angel Ramirez
>Have you actually played the game? Because the amount of shit TWEWY has on screen kind of makes it flat out impossible. Hell, the songs themselves took up a whole quarter of the cartridge space.
I mean, Final Fantasy 7 reportedly had a 140 million dollar budget and even that (and most every jrpg ever made) doesn't have armor changing your appearance, so I doubt it's a technological limitation. It's a deliberate design decision.
Parker Price
I’m asking a question, jackass. Did you actually play the game? And absolutely no one brought up FF7.
Luke Williams
In something like Daggerfall you have a face sprite which doesn't change, and a full portrait which shows your equipment. The equipment is mostly just recolors of simple generic armor, and all of it is static.
In TWEWY if we're just counting the player character, you have an animated walk cycle and idle animation in the overworld, all of the movement and attack animations in combat which is at a different angle and resolution, and the various full higher res full portraits during dialogue. Your character's costume is used as a symbol for lots of game assets like when you scan, he's on the menu buttons, and all of the characters appear on the save screen. Which ones of these do you want to show your gear? All of them? One of them? The animated cutscenes use different assets as well for a whole range of things, and a lot of them are flashbacks so your characters would need to repeatedly switch costumes over the course of a single conversation.
Just going over all of his sprites to display one item would take more time to draw than all of the gear in Daggerfall since you have to show every frame of every animation if you want it in combat, and you need to redraw it at every different angle on the overworld. You would also need to redraw it to fit on other characters in these situations since they can wear your items too.
And now we need to factor in how many items there are, which is 280. A lot of them overlap and therefore can't be shown in any logical way, and many are full costumes or accessories that don't have a place on the sprite. The vast majority are not recolors of the same item either. Occasionally you get two shirts with the same shape by the same company. Everything else would need hundreds of unique sprites and frames of animation to meet your requirements.
James Phillips
>And absolutely no one brought up FF7.
The point is that 'the technology was too weak to have clothing change your appearance' is a nonsensical argument when almost every jrpg ever made, even those on cutting edge technology with massive budgets, lacked this, so it clearly has nothing to do with alleged technological limitations.
Besides, game development is always about making choices about what to prioritize. I think it's pretty stupid that the developers made a game where fashion plays such a prominent role, yet made fashion entirely invisible to the eye.
Jaxon Murphy
>In TWEWY if we're just counting the player character, you have an animated walk cycle and idle animation in the overworld, all of the movement and attack animations in combat which is at a different angle and resolution
Oh, you mean like Fallout, an RPG that came out on the DOS?
youtube.com
Seriously, the mental gymnastics TWEWY fans are willing to go to is utterly absurd.
Jack James
>comparing a full on 3D console JRPG with a full one budget to a 2D DS handheld with like a quarter of that
You’re a special kind of retard, huh?
Levi Baker
You seriously think that compares to this?
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Levi Clark
>shitty 2d particle effects with the enemies barely reacting to getting hit
You seriously think that's better than the minigun blast in Fallout exposing an enemy's ribcage, or having an enemy on fire run around madly before falling to ashes?
Luke Peterson
P.S. And this is all ignoring how the clothes sway and deform as you move around. To redraw every item would waste the time needed to model this or make the default gear look better than every item, or you would need to spend about 200 years bringing every sprite up to the same quality.
There are 6 unique armors in Fallout (7 counting default, 12 including female versions), all full body costumes which cover everything. I didn't think you would use this as your example because you demanded that 280 items be implemented in TWEWY, and they must all be modular since you can equip 4 items at once. The character's walking sprite is used for every representation of your character in Fallout, so the sprites get reused with no other assets being needed. And they didn't have to draw the sprites either. They started as 3D models so that everything wouldn't need to be redrawn from different angles, and they just turned them around and cropped them to become sprites.
This comparison is so detached from reality I cannot possibly imagine how someone would think it is valid. Did you even play TWEWY before coming to this conclusion, or do you really think replacing Neku with his ground sprite in every cutscene is a good idea? To complain about, of all things, the themes of the game while ignoring how their canon costumes are utilized in the themes of the game?
Jordan Jackson
>barely reacting to getting hit
So, you didn’t even watch the rest of the video.
And the point is that TWEWY has a shit ton of stuff going in both screens at the same time, to the point that certain pin combinations, like using three pins that can drop endless multiple boulders can make the screen slowdown.
Colton Perez
Ignore him. I think it’s that WRPGfag that’s dedicated to trying fling shit at almost any JRPG possible even if no one mentions anything about WRPGs.
Joshua Murphy
Nothing, it's a shit game.
Liam Ortiz
Jason Powell
Fucking retard
Nathaniel Wright
>The character's walking sprite is used for every representation of your character in Fallout
What are you talking about? Are you blind? Besides walking, the character in Fallout also obviously has animations for running, crouching, falling down and standing back up, reloading, holstering or drawing their weapon, attacking with a variety of different melee and ranged weapons, and lots of other actions. I wouldn't be surprised if it had more unique animations than TWEWY. The animations themselves are also more detailed, with more frames of animation. In addition, Fallout has two sets of these animaions, one for a female and one for a male characters.
>This comparison is so detached from reality
It really isn't. Not only did TWEWY come out more than 10 years after Fallout, working with much more sophisticated tools and more powerful technology, but I also out of curiosity looked at the mobygames credits listing for both fallout 1 and TWEWY, and guess what? TWEWY has a significantly bigger credits list than Fallout 1.
I hardly see how it's outrageous to criticize a game that is about fashion, to completely neglect the visual side of said fashion.
Jose Scott
>I wouldn’t even be surprised if it had more unique animations than TWEWY did
So you haven’t even played the fucking game.
Camden Ramirez
What if SQNX made a purseowner game, except with gameplay
Easton Gray
bump
Ethan Green
but fatlus owns purse owner
Nathaniel Long
I think he’s saying that TWEWY is what Persona would be like if it had actual gameplay.
William Thomas
Everything you said was wrong, but you also ignored what I said about Fallout's sprites having almost no unique appearances and all of them being 3D models. TWEWY has more sprites needing to be drawn, but more importantly they actually need to be drawn. All they have to do in Fallout is swap out the model for each animation, which they only have to do around 10 times for each. As opposed to having to actually redraw each frame of each animation by hand nearly 300 times to include every item. The fact that they appear at different angles is a big deal because the same thing needs to be redone thousands of times, not just once for each item. Fallout's "sprites" are generate programmatically by just moving the model into position for each frame and then taking a picture.
You are asking for TWEWY to do what is objectively, mathematically an unholy tremendous amount of work to appease you while shitting on their game's aesthetic, or you want the visuals AND gameplay to be dumbed to reduce the workload involved. The sprites are too high quality for it to be one or the other.
And again, this is very easy to say when your example game has 6 possible costumes and your overworld sprite is used in dialogue rather than 280 unique items with dozens of different poses and animations over different parts of gameplay. Do you not understand the numbers on the table here? Are you the Gothic 2 poster that posts in every Morrowind thread?
Elijah Parker
WRPGfag is a sad individual, user. He legitimately has nothing better to do than to shitpost about his WRPGs all the while trying to devalue unique JRPGs like TWEWY. It’s safe to ignore him, honestly.
Brody Roberts
At least he's not Barry. I think.
Michael Miller
You’d have to be a special kind of autist to get on Barry’s level, honestly.
Camden Smith
You can see how weak his points are though. It's a disservice to not at least try and prove him wrong before you point and laugh. He's obviously not very smart but not every autist is ACK.
Lucas Stewart
not enough sucking FFXV to be him. Especially since you are praising a Nomura game.
but the fuck is banned because trying to cause fanbase wars (and claiming that KH fans were driving a wedge in the relationship between DMC and FFXV fans, when no relationship existed) and evading said bans
Parker Roberts
His autistic meltdown was a thing of beauty to behold.
Benjamin Murphy
fags
Nolan Cox
HE’S GOT AN OPINION
Andrew Richardson
I have never seen a person's shitposting crusade blow up SO HARD in his face
Tyler King
What’s even better is that it wasn’t the first time this happened.
boards.fireden.net
boards.fireden.net
Oliver Phillips
yeah, I was there when he was melting down when KH3 got higher reviews than XV and was favored more by the general public
Josiah Reyes
Same here. The meltdown that day was glorious.
Joshua Powell
I want to protect this smile.
Wyatt Phillips
music that isnt compressed shit
Nolan Martinez
you're ultra gay
Brody Gomez
>he doesn’t want to protect Neku’s smile
What are you, a fag?
Alexander Peterson
no i`m not a fag bro
Jackson Rogers
Whatever you say, fag.
Jonathan Diaz
Parker Moore
Nathaniel Hill
Frogposter get absolutely and utterly obliterated
Jaxson Brown
Tell me about tomorrow. Will it be wonderful, too?
Cooper Gray
CLOSE TO YOU I HOPE TO STAY.
ENDLESSLY FROM TODAY.
Carson James
I want to steal his headphones and set a trend with them
Henry Morris
EVEN THROUUUUUGH CLOUDY DAAAAYS
David Smith
YOU
ARE NOT
ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Kayden Howard
bump
Gavin Jenkins
A SHITPOST SUGGESTION
John Baker
How do I beat Time Trial on Ultimate on DS without cheesing the game? Also, what's there left to do after beating the secret boss? I beat him already. Also, is A New Day worth looking up on YouTube?
Brody Hall
Anyone here also play the undub and just got confused with the ending because the ending cutscene is the only cutscene with extensive dialogue and there were no subs?
Aiden Rogers
Splish Splash Barrier helped me out a lot with that section as well as Excalibur, tho it mostly depends on how you set up your pins. As for the post game, collecting pins and clothing and, if a sequel were to ever get made, a New Day is pretty important to view.
Benjamin Perez
Bentley Price
everything.
Camden Green
Hunter Price
Jason Green
Lucas Wood
Parker Johnson
Lincoln Robinson
Based art poster
Ethan Gomez
Joshua Foster
Nolan Green
SAN
NI
ICHI
SACHIKOMU
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKARI
Dylan Williams
WHO CARES? IT’S BETTER THAN WITHOUT A LIGHTTTTTTTT!
Camden Anderson
Pleb who couldn't git gud at solo co-op detected.
Logan Rivera
the original release in its entirety, and the remixed music in the mobile port
nothing else
Noah Brown
The music, and that's about it
Jordan Evans
HAPPY GO LUCKY YO HERE I AM
Luke Taylor
>just the music
Ayden Jackson
if they played the mobile or switch port it's a totally understandable statement. they are a testament to what goes wrong when you casualize niche video games in an attempt to reach a broader appeal
Nathan Scott
>A New Day ending
NOMURA YOU HACK LET NEKU HAVE HIS HAPPY ENDING
Lincoln Powell
Neku was made for suffering, user.
Henry Campbell
The Switch port was fun.
Dylan Gutierrez
So much went right I'm legitimately surprised SE made it.
Lucas Martin
I unironically consider TWEWY to be SE’s Chrono Trigger equivalent.
Carter Hill
Ryan Collins
bump
William Russell
Nathan Thompson
Gabriel Reed
I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT
NEKU SAKURABA'S A BITCH-ASYMPTOTE MOTHERFUCKER WHO PHASE-SHIFTED ALL OVER MY ART PIECES
Logan Young
Go back to your trash piles, Pi-Face.
Jayden Morgan
Austin Ward
Gabriel Parker
Nolan Flores
The would've never released if they did that user it would take Nomura literal months to design all the clothes to work with the characters
Jayden Hill
Andrew Davis
I had the tigre punks healing pin that gives you 5 uses (the smiling face one, make sure it's not the evolved version as you get less uses) and the pegaso pin that gives your pins more uses. Load the rest of your pins with stuff you like or are very comfortable using.
After fighting Konishi your pins reset so if you used your healing pin you'll get the total amount you started with. The same is true for your fusion stars, so use your fusion on Konishi or earlier, even if it's not a level 3.
Christian Anderson
Post your favorite pins
Jayden Walker
Noah Lee
Mason Lopez
bump
Brandon Stewart
Juan Roberts
Adam Lopez
How is the Switch port if I decide to just play handheld? It'll presumably be like the phone ports right? I've already played it on DS multiple times but I'm feeling a replay.
Andrew Allen
Yeah basically.
Adam Russell
Ian Scott
Jack Williams
Carter Barnes
Wyatt James
>this has yet to be posted
Michael Lopez
DUAL WIELD
Samuel Bennett
Mason Myers
Ryder Morales
Sebastian Howard
Kevin Sanders
Brody Rodriguez
10 minutes in. when does this get good
Matthew Richardson
Once you get the option to chain battles.
Ryder Garcia
Camden Miller
Benjamin Lopez