Sega removed Denuvo from Sonic Mania

Based

Denuvo is really only there to "protect" the initial sales. They know it's going to get cracked. So, removing it once they have those sales secured is the best move for them.

>the exe went down from 117MB to 3MB
What the actual fuck

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Man if every game I owned had denuvo and removed it, I'd free up like 10 gb! Amazing!

>Denuvo is really only there to "protect" the initial sales.
I know that you said "protect", but Denuvo is there for nothing, except only for bringing headache to everyone. Not even for this objective DRM is "good" for.

Is everyone actually going to shit themselves over a game going down by 100mb in size? It's not like this scales to the size of the game, and a 60gb game has 6gb of denuvo on the exe.

Learn how exes work

Neat.

Executable does not equal game.

>stop being happy!

k

Good on them for removing it.

I still refuse to buy it because they fucked up in the first place and delayed the launch because of it, but good on them for finally getting their heads out of their asses.

Why does Sega know how to please fans in almost every way except making good games?

Now just remove it from Puyo Puyo Tetris

>I still refuse to buy it because they fucked up in the first place and delayed the launch because of it
I 100% support your desired stance. I believe everyone should follow your example, and I say this as a person who pirates stuff for free stuff.

>I refuse to buy it because denuvo
>denuvo gets removed
>I still refuse to buy it because reasons
Pirates, everyone.

I was THIS close to buying it before it got cracked. Thank goodness I didn't because it kinda sucked. I still haven't even beaten it

Different strokes.

How far have you gotten before you quit?

OH FUCK
THANK YOU
I CAN PLAY IT WITHOUT THE SLOWDOWN SHIT

How about you just admit for fucking once that you pirate because its free games and not for any fucking moral reasoning?

At least be an honest thief

>be an honest thief
nice oxymoron

Does this mean I can finally mod the game? I had the hardest time getting mods to work on this shit

It definitely means the modders will have an easier time.

Not him but drama pirate is more fitting.

Nobody gives a fuck about somebody else's reasons as to why or why not they pirate.
Just do what you want, stand by it, but don't feel backed into a corner that it needs to be justified (on either side of the fence).

His second starts with absolutely worthless dialog about his personal feelings of something that already happened and does not reflect the current situation.
So why is it needed? It wasn't a secret, he's not informing anybody, and nobody is affected by this information now so it's irrelevant.

Yes, finally, you can. Main Memory's mod loader will match flawlessly to the recent game's update, no matter if you have a cracked or a genuine copy.

For now, the recent update is on the beta state. Soon, it will happen.

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incorrect, nothing wrong with stealing from the right people

Will this change anything for mods?

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hope it's just a bug and they add denuvo back, fuck pirates

It will be easier to mod the game in general.

Go bait somewhere else, underage.

>Fuck pirates, people who actually bought the game should be stuck with the inferior version
ur dumb

That has nothing to do with mods you cocksucker. Moreover,
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Not him, but it was absolute horseshit that they delayed the game for weeks right before the release just to shove Denuvo into it.

Im still not buying it because fuck sega.

Thanks for your contribution to the fight.

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>he thinks anyone gets mad

Everyone's just coming from the first page, aren't they?
Yea Forums is always mad, so we definitely need a new word.

How the fuck is that an oxymoron you fucking brainlet?

Nobody asked for your opinion, shill. Stop getting rilled up over the personal choices and decisions of others.

you sound like those trannies that will complain about something in a game they were interested in, and when the developer changes it, still won't buy it.

Nobody asked for theirs when they decided to stop by the thread, but you'll take your piss out on me.

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Yes, we ARE gonna shit ourselves.

are you saying that a copy protection algorythm should weigh 20 times more than the actual code of the exe? of course not!

not to mention how every single person who preordered Mania and didnt had access to the 3 consoles, missed the proper experience of the game, only by leaving the internet altogether (something stupid and impossible) people would play SM unspoilered, and even then, the rest of the world woul had enjoyed it already.

you think its fair that an entire fanbase who legit wanted to suppoer the game got shafter 2 weeks for this shit, just because some idiot who didnt knew how to play leaked the switch version and some trolls said that they were gonna pirate anyway? DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO YOU!?

Well that's nice I guess. It'll be much, much easier to completely mod the PC release now which is a pretty exciting prospect.

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Just because one person wants to avoid and don't support an anti-tamper malware plague by all means, that does not correlate instantly the same person is a pirate.

whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

thread shouldve ended here

>denuvo gets removed
whyisthisposterretarded.github.io

Now if only people would complain enough about Steam DRM too so that companies remove that instead of just treating it like it somehow doesn't count

It's absolutely legitimate to refuse to pay publishers who ever used Denuvo, you pathetic fucking worm. Go beg to get stepped on elsewhere.

So how long will it be till this Denuvo removal patch gets out of beta and gets sent to all owners? How long does it usually take for beta Steam updates?

>EVER used
You'll find any reason to complain. The user's posted concerns have not only resolved since then, but do not and will not impact any new purchases.

Your and that poster's opinions are irrelevant if you both are gonna stay stuck in the past.

Isn't the Denuvo-less DMCV .exe several hundreds of MB less?
Either way now I have no qualms about buying Sonic Mania so I suppose I'll do it now.

Why would you support a company that used Denuvo at some point but does no longer?

>are you saying that a copy protection algorythm should weigh 20 times more than the actual code of the exe?

The game separates most of its executable code into other dlls/libraries and content files.

Denuvo and most copy protection doesn't do that because it's much easier to swap and stub out the code.

It's a small layer of obfuscation that is cheap and inexpensive to do.

The issue is that the game was delayed for the sake of an anti-consumer measure. Removing that measure later does not resolve or make up for that issue in any way.

What are you trying to accomplish though? If you refuse to buy the game now, you aren't telling Sega that Denuvo was the problem, you're telling them you don't care for the game. Only strong sales after Denuvo is removed would motivate any company to no use it at all and maximize early release sales.

Did you read my post? I'm addressing the problem that you and others are namecalling some as "trannies" or "pirates" only because they want to stay away from DRM. What are you trying to say here?

No. DRM is not effective at "protecting" sales, and it will never be. There are still games that been cracked minutes or a day after its launch.

Explain why refusing to support companies that have ever used DRM at one point is considered simply some mundane reason to always complain for you.

Yet anybody, as a new consumer including those that pirated it/played elsewhere instead, are not affected by it so why does it matter to them?

>Boohoo Denuvo delayed the launch a year and a half ago, so I played it somehow anyway (because I wanted to) or didn't play it all (because I actually didn't care)!
>Everyone must know of my sour grapes and I must inform them to never support these companies because things do not change as don't I!

I'll buy my friends copies in your absence the next time it's on sale so you can rest easy.

Adding components to software purely to degrade the experience for users is a bad practice that should be discouraged. It's no different than not supporting a software product because of any other ideological reason.

Good thing they removed it, huh?
You seem to keep glancing over that point and remain strong in crucifying them for actions they're (appearing) to be making amends on.

And again, newcomers (of Mania) will not be affected by these oh so bad practices of ye olde times.

inb4
>it's a sega viral marketing strategy to garner goodwill for being evil before and cool now

I'm looking forward to what kind of shit modders can do to Mania now that Denuvo is getting removed. Maybe creating levels that aren't obviously based on levels that are already in the game?

not him, but they deserved to be crucified, Sega ruined sonicmania for EVERY SINGLE PC user, but not just for denuvo, but for the fact that they delayed the game 2 weeks, by that time everyone else already finished and completed it, that is not fair at all, and really, its not worth it to play anymore.

and the worst part is that it wasnt a pc game who caused this, it was a literal idiot who didnt knew hot to play the switch version, and 2 troll morons who got Sega's spies spooked.

as i preordered the game, i cant say that i wont buy their shit, but sertainly i will say i wont buy anything from them again unless they find a way to give us our 2 lost weeks back! which by logic will never happen, so... FUCK. THEM!

Got a refund right after after I found out they delayed the game to add denuvo. Haven't played it, and probably never will.

This is actually the smallest case. Most Denuvo exes to from 500+mbs to less than a hundred.

If every Denuvo game I owned removed Denuvo I'd have several GBs on my SSD

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>are not affected by it
This is a huge lie. DRM DOES affect consumers, pirates, everyone. For instance, there's tons of videos on Youtube that show the huge effect DRM has on PC games. For Mania's case, it dragged longer-lasting loading times on menus and stage loading, as well rare random crashes.

Please, click at that github link I have provided, and read it.

>newcomers (of Mania) will not be affected by these
Yes, but still, the damage may appear harsh for others, and thus, still unforgivable. This is the decision they took, and you shouldn't bash them for that.

The decision, personally, is a reasonable good stance to take.

>oh so bad practices of ye olde times.
If you're implying that caring about DRM and its bad anti-consumer methods is a "thing from the past" and that you should move on, then that's a REALLY bad "argument" to express.

This

It's SEGA. You're not supposed to set your bar high.

>There are still games that been cracked minutes or a day after its launch.

If they can protect a game from getting cracked a month from release then it generally helps it sales, beyond that though it's completely pointless.

low quality bait

>for EVERY SINGLE PC user
Even the newcomers from the denuvo-less version?

>This is a huge lie.
Nope, but you and the other guy always seem to be focusing on the larger group of literal whos as opposed to people who would have a chance of being affected by it, for Mania.

I'm not advocating for Denuvo. I'm advocating for the fact in Mania's case it is now removed and on that single game basis is no longer an issue. But you swear up and down it still is, then proceed to expand the focus beyond Mania.

>>newcomers (of Mania) will not be affected by these
>Yes
Finally.

>>oh so bad practices of ye olde times.
>If you're implying that caring about DRM and its bad anti-consumer methods is a "thing from the past"
Again I was referring to Mania alone.

You know what i meant, who cares if there will be newcomers, its us who loyally preordered mania and got betrayed who matter here.

Stop trying to defend shitty companies, infact, stop acting like you have never pirated anything on your life.

>EVERY SINGLE PC user
I played it on PC release day from start to finish and had no issues when it came to the game running or anything. I didn't even knew it had Denuvo until I saw all the autistic screeching threads on Yea Forums saying it had it. I just wanted to talk about how much I enjoyed it but no, have to cry and scream about this DRM.

At least your bait isn't subtle. Was nice talking with you.

I already pirated it though
You can't buy this game for PC, paying for a download is not buying a game.
Charging for a download is inherently anti consumer
Steam itself is bloatware which is one of the many reasons I pirate.
They are still giving consumers a big "fuck you" by charging for a download
Why do pay pigs accept this?

Again, its not the fucking DRM that was the problem for me, i PREORDERED THE GAME AND KEPT IT.

The problem was Segas betrayal by their decision of delaying the PC release in favor of that shit, basically making everyone who preordered missing the game, call me autistic if you want but i simply cant enjoy the game because of that, and i have been spoilered on other games before and still enjoyed them.

That was a dickmove, and even more given the fact that even if i wanted to cancel my preorder i couldnt since their 'loving gift' of the sonic 1 rom, WHICH I HAD ALREADY.

couldnt they at least given the games soundtrack?, or all 3 sonic games?, or the taxman version of sonic 1? You know, ANYTHING besides just a cheapass rom that was gifted as a way to lock preorderers out of cancellation?

How so? I mean if we're talking about Sonic, they've fucked the series up in every way imaginable. Not even the fucking comics were safe from them, and you've certainly seen the movie leaks by now as well. Mania is probably the only real positive the series has had in ages.

Also haven't Yakuza, Bayonetta, Persona/SMT and Puyo all been consistently decent?

This can't be happening.....

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What bait?, you want me to show you my steam receipt for the preorder?, cuz i fucking can... well i could from 8:00pm onward, right now im on my job.

But i definitely fucking can!

Denuvo is great and I rest my case. No opinion will ever change my views. By the way, piracy is always bad and corporations are good.

>Nope
Go to the Youtube, and type "denuvo benchmarks". The phenomenon is true. Why are you denying it?

>I'm not advocating for Denuvo.
If you're not, then why are you denying the evidence against DRM?

>I'm advocating for the fact in Mania's case it is now removed and on that single game basis is no longer an issue.
Are your reading my posts, or not? The damage has been DONE, EXECUTED. It's something that you can make it up now, but never in the past, in the memories. With it, some people may still not forgive it, and never will. With this situation, how can you revert this?

The mistake should have never been done. SEGA should have NEVER delayed the game and demand to bloat it with malicious code. In simple words, they fucked it up real hard.

And actually, there's still one more thing: Steam's launcher. This program, itself, has infused different DRM (prevents you from booting up games alone) and hidden telemetry, like what has said. With this way, the only form to get around this, is to pirate.

>But you swear up and down it still is, then proceed to expand the focus beyond Mania.
Of course, because DRM is a serious threat to video games. Duh?

>had no issues
Disconnect your computer from the internet, try to launch the game again, and see for yourself the experience.

>I didn't even knew it had Denuvo
How did you not know about it? News and news about this factor spread around the internet.

>I just wanted to talk about how much I enjoyed it but no, have to cry and scream about this DRM.
I suppose you missed the hundred and hundred of threads that talked about game itself mainly, didn't you?

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TROOOOO FARRRRRR

with a 100mg you can download at least 70 high quality cunny images user

>DRM is a serious threat to video games. Duh?
Better get saving them then, hero.

not him, but seriously, what is your problem?

leaving aside denuvo, how can people be okay by delaying a game on one platform, for whatever reason?

Imagine what kind of message buying a game after denuvo is removed sends.

The dev can figure that using denuvo is good because they can protect the game for the first month or something from pirates, and then later on get the sales they missed from people who didn't want to buy a game with denuvo. You're essentially supporting denuvo by buying the game after it has been removed.

The people who refuse to buy the game even after denuvo has been removed simply hold the dev responsible for their actions. If a kiddie fiddler comes to you and tells you "ok, I stopped raping kids", are you ok with him now? I mean it's not like he's raping kids anymore.

Because in his own words the damage is done. So?
He keeps shifting the focus either off Mania or back to this horrible damage that affected early adopters.
They got burned, congratulations? That's their problem and their baggage.

well, good for you that got to enjoy the game in a console or believes spoilers dont harm experiences in extremely anticipated games.

this is not about how just 'the damage is done', it is because the damage should have NEVER happened in the first place, PC gamers were innocent this time.

we, as PC gamers DESERVE retribution for the time we lost, and the utter shattering of the enjoyment we felt for this, and if theres no way to give us that, then simply wont forgive them ever, and DRMs should NEVER be used, or at least not in the way they did. and (you) are a fucking moron for defend such tripe

>spoilers
>for a sonic game
My only grievance with your group is how Denuvo was a last minute reveal, but that's still the risk you people chose to take. The rest of your post screams entitlement bait, have a nice day.

again, you want me to show you my steam preorder receipt?

and yes, as someone who PAID for the product, I am entitled to play the game as it should be, and in this case, it should be WITHOUT DELAYS!

Based retard bootlicker

You genuinely have autism

>So?
More and more consumers that are tired of anti-consumer practice will stop supporting. With this gradual increase, there will be greater and greater backlashes to the company culprit, and that will harm the reputation and the image of the company.

>He keeps shifting the focus either off Mania or back to this horrible damage that affected early adopters.
Because, again, the DRM is a serious threat to video games, and I want to warn it at a huge scale. Dude, why are you having a hard time to comprehend this?

>They got burned, congratulations? That's their problem and their baggage.
Fascinating "argument". Leaving the worldwide problem to others, as that will "never affect you", correct? Alright, I see that you would have no problem on getting shat on the last minute, too. Okay, good for you.

Spoilers doesn't restrict to just plots, you know.

>but that's still the risk you people chose to take.
They DID NOT "chose". They WERE affected by the (bad) phenomenon. They CAN'T opt to have no DRM. THIS is forced by the company.

This is not hard to grasp the concept. What's the matter, dude?

>The rest of your post screams entitlement bait
Look who's talking, the guy who chooses to ignore practically 90% percent of my post, and only say such a silly thing like .

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Said the poorfag

Unrelated, but is English your primary language?

welp, looks like im finally /gonna pirate/

>You can't buy this game for PC, paying for a download is not buying a game.

with that logic you don't actually own disc based games on current gen consoles

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>the exe went down from 117 to 3 MB
Holy shit

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yep, just bought it and got on the beta. I don't get why the preorder guys are so mad about a 2 week delay but more power to them

I also pirate everything but you're an autistic faggot, holy shit.

This, is Sega gonna remove Denuvo from Yakuza as well because i've always been interested in the series

Yakuza 0's Denuvo is removed in the beta patch.
Kiwami launched without Denuvo.
I'll wait for someone to spin the discussion into it "had" Denuvo according to steamdb before launch and they removed it last second.

im sure people wouldnt be that stupid to complain about something that at the end didnt happened.

Sonic mania IS a problem, because IT happened.

And now the saga's over. Based Sega. GOG release when?

hope you, and everyone who played SM in consoles get kicked in the balls SO HARD that you will never get to procreate.

Sega deserves to rot for killing sonic.

who said anything about consoles?

No. Primary or not, you can understand my posts, and that's what matters. I'm sorry if I have made a few typos.

Of course. I should always remind myself about this.

One mouth? I thought it has the job to prevent the game from getting cracked for a week.

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Pretty sure Yakuza 0's Denuvo-less patch is still beta only, and that has been there at least a month. So I'd say 2-3 months would be a safe bet.

Why isn't there more outrage about Denuvo? This shit is absolutely inexcusable.

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Why wait? Just buy it then opt into the beta patch before downloading, Denuvo will never touch your system.

dsogaming.com/articles/devil-may-cry-5-runs-noticeably-faster-without-denuvo-and-here-is-how-you-can-remove-it/

>denuvo doesnt have an impact on performance

Also worth noting that Catherine Classic launched without Denuvo.
Maybe Sega is finally telling Denuvo to fuck off.

As did Shenmue 1+2.

>4930K
Wew.
To think AMD has now matched it 4 years later (Ryzen 1st gen) at half the TDP (65W for a 1600) and a third/fourth of the cost.

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Oh, I didn't realise you could opt-in before downloading.

I dunno if I want to buy it while it still exists though. I mean, it's pretty fucking unlikely, but imagine if they suddenly updated the beta with the "correct" exe, or just deleted the beta branch, and pushed a live update with the "correct" exe.

This worry is also why I haven't bought DMC5 and used the test branch exe. Although it is much more likely that Capcom will delete that, if they haven't done so already.

That's what file sharing and hashing values are for.
Once it's out they can't close it.
However given Sega's escapade of skipping and removing Denuvo, I doubt they'll retract on 0.

You do you though.

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Not installed by the way.

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Yes, I can backup my files. But I'd lose the convenience and benefit from owning the game on Steam. At which point, why own it at all?

Still, the pre-opt-in makes it very tempting. So I probably will.

My exact sentiment. No matter how much I like a game, I don't support Denuvo. Here's a comfy SA1 wallpaper.

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To show them that customers do in fact care about having Denuvo removed. These are old corporate suits, the only thing that matters are the sales figures. You have to prove it with $$$

Great job Sega. You're about 2 years too late.

Whens puyo?

Out today on PS4 digitally!

They announced the delay 4 days before release and gave out Sonic 1 as a pity prize. And if you redeemed Sonic 1 you couldn't cancel your preorder. Than Sega tried to throw the devs under the bus. All just to add Denuvo.
Was quite a shitshow.

>the exe went down from 117MB to 3MB
Anyway, I'll probably take a look at it now.

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What's with all the Sonic threads recently?

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It started due to the movie design

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this one does very well, whole game from 320 mb to 206

...it's real. My god, it's real.

I would actually buy Denuvo games from day 0 if they promise to remove it a couple months later.

I should add this all happened because the fucking Switch version got leaked

Kind of wish I'd bought it when it was cheap now. Oh wells.

It'll go back on sale for 66% again. Think its last sale was during the steam lunar sale?
Only other cheap option was a one day sale on some third party site for $5.75.

Sanic gets a lot of humble bundles too but then you gotta take a bunch of trash with it

Yeah, but I obsess over cheap PC deals so I deliberately avoided that one due to the Denuvo.

Maybe Humble will have it for £5 again so I can use the monthly discount.

what the absolute fuck

Are you on Windows 10? Use CompactGUI.

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There IS a God!

thanks, forgot about this, probably time to run it again

You'll need to rerun it as you did if you moved previously compressed files or they're updated (i.e. patches).

>people start to hear about Mania not having denuvo anymore
>suddenly pc sales jump up really high
Imagine.

keep dreaming pirate scum

>Denuvo gone
Fantastic, means I can finally play this whenever the internet goes out, which seems to be the only time I ever want to play Mania. Though unfortunatly this seems to be for plus only. I prefer the pre-plus version personally as there's fewer issues with some mods loading. Also dunkey mode, as retarded as it is, is still a small genuinely fun extra thing.
>For some reason, 4:3 mode is fucked and is letterboxing the game instead of outputting sweet 320x240 goodness for my CRT, as well as screwing with the resolution hard in 1X scale for some reason while doing so
Fuck.

Seething Denuvodrone

Holy shit it's about fucking time. Now I can actually play my steam copy instead of the pirated one.

I'm buying the game right now

>fell for the marketing

Is Cybershell dead?

He's probably on another 7 year hiatus

Hopefully now this means no denuvo for Mania 2

Version 1.03.0831 (Pre plus) aside from wanting me to open up steam seems to still work without any internet the first time (miles better than the whining about denuvo it had previously), though further testing with a restart involved will be necessary for certain. Plus its 4:3 mode is working flawlessly. This might of had a fan patch for fixing denuvo at some point.
The second time (with a different clean unmodded .exe) is still giving me the denuvo whining.
Version 1.05.713 seems to be working without internet fine, as it should, but the entire game is letterboxing at any aspect ratio (previously it would crop a bit of the image for 16:10 for example).
One massive step forwards, one obscure step back, if it wasn't for the backup versions I have I'd be kinda upset about the removal of 4:3 mode.

Version 1.05.713 is the current version, forgot to mention.

You can't own software. Software belongs to everybody. Agreeing to exchange money for proprietary discs is harming your fellow hackers.
Shut up, faggot.

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Now I'll actually buy it there. And wait for some good mods.

That means I'll be triple dipping, but fuck it.

I'm not trusting anything until this little tidbit is taken off the store page

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>Sega removed Denuvo from Sonic Mania.
Based SEGA. It's like everything SEGA is putting on PC is DRM free now.
Though I already bought Sonic Mania on the Switch now though even though I was planning on getting it on PC initially.

>Yakuza 0's Denuvo is removed in the beta patch.
Any idea of when the beta patch will go from being beta to being official?
Are we talking like a month, half a year, or a full year?

>revenue loss of 0%

Why does it matter? Anybody can opt in and play Denuvo free right now.

>You trust a store label over an actual Denuvo-free EXE
Hell, the 3MB game exe is just Denuvo now no game

>you sound like those trannies that will complain about something in a game they were interested in, and when the developer changes it, still won't buy it.
Holy shit you're right
Piratefags really are just like fucking trannies

>play SM unspoilered
Spoiler for the next Sonic game:
Sonic runs fast and beats Eggman.

This will make modding easier, right?

Fantastic.

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