ITT: Things you miss about smash that was in previous games, but not Ultimate

How hard would it have been to add Charizard as a standalone fighter like he had been in the past?
Why didn't they do this?

Speaking of taunts...

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Links final smash. It felt so good.
And (some) transformation ultimates. Especially pac man

Toon Link's Smash Attack. The singular up-swing just doesn't do it for me.

Yeah rock smash was great but he does have access to two better movesets instead. I almost wish you could play as any of them solo with rock smash and a new down special for Squirtle and Ivysaur but it would defeat the purpose of having Pokemon trainer at all.

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still no Metal Mario level.
he had a baller OST not to mention KACHOW KACHOW KACHOW KACHOW as he swaggered towards you.

that along with the polygon maze levels were some of my most memorable moments with OG smash bro's

They really should have brought back every Battlefield and Final Destination along with Meta Crystal

I mean, it sucks when a character loses a move but players did rely on it a lot as a crutch. It might as well have been his “counter”

They should just have mega Charizard X or flygon as an echo where the only change is the down b is rock smash again. I can't think of any other Pokemon that has Charizards body type.

Get off Yea Forums, Colin.

Agreed.

Waddle Dee Toss was a bigger loss, this was the perfect chance to add Bandanda Dee if he wasn't going to be playable.

Smash 3DS was a mistake, we lost a bunch of stuff because of limitations.

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Pacman up tilt... what the fuck were they thinking?

Why not just have Charizard?
As a separate fighter from PKMN Trainer.

Pokémon switch?

I actually don’t like that you aren’t locked Into taunts anymore

It had to go and make room for the thumbs up.

Did anyone actually miss Coin Matches?

I dunno, too late now

Not me, I only played it to unlock trophies and such.

SEETHING HATGOOMBA

>too late now
What are patches?

I miss my beam sword. It's still in her files too but turned off.

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What you're suggesting will never happen

There's no character move editor like in Wii U?

You can’t play him without a super armor move? Lmao

A reason to play the game offline without friends

Trophies and other minigames

Classic's alright though

Classic Link. The new adult Link is stiff and shitty.

Don't worry, I will uphold his legacy as a frustrating asshole who won't die.

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Because it was a massive waste of dev time and resources for a feature that was rarely utilized and nearly impossible to balance.

Surpsied they didn't take some of Mega Man's custom moves and make an echo out of it.

Also, this always pissed me off

> Make something called Custom Moves in Smash 4
> Doesn't add a Custom Robo as a character

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Good Pokemon Pokeballs like Bonsly, Manaphy and Weavile.

Black Yoshi
Fire Flower Mario

I never played them, but now that they're gone I wish they were back.

Funny how that works.

DK has Charizards rocksmash now. just use dk

>the best story mode was in the most casualized game of the series
Lol
I miss the statues...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnzd0mB990s

>we live in a world where Smash has Assist Trophies but no regular trophies

I didnt even realize they were gone during 3ds and again for Ultimate.

You can't miss something you never had dork

Nah, Spirits are ultimately better

The loss was no description

Classic OoT Link, board on the platforms, a real adventure mode, unique break the targets for each character, and holding the jump button to glide. Gone are the days where I would glide Temple as Pit.

> Recycled PNG is better than new 3D models

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Why the fuck did this get changed. The move fucking sucks now because using it almost guaranteed they’re just going to blast the Gordo right into your face. Also Gordo are normally invincible so the move makes no sense anymore

>game includes a bunch of unique boss fights like in brawl
>doesn't offer a dedicated boss rush mode like in brawl

For what purpose?

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>Board the Platforms
>Break the Targets
>Melee's Bonus Mode
>Custom moves ( They could have been improved on, but even then, going random with custom equipment & moves was just an interesting experiment, having to adapt to whatever mobility & moves you were given )
>Wario Man
>A bunch of fun techniques like DACUS or just jump cancelled upsmashes. It's not hard and it's fun to play with.
> Meta Crystal, Melee Mute City, 3DS Rainbow Road, Poke Floats
>PROPER DASH TO JUMP MOMENTUM
These are the main ones
Still love Ultimate though

Yes, it gives you two other characters that can let you switch to best suit the situation.

How about things we DON'T miss?

>tfw you will never have to endure 15 Minute Melee ever again

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Yes, because instead of getting 100 models you get 500 spirits. As he said, the only downside is the loss of the descriptions.

They should’ve just given Ivy and Squirtle their own down b and had all Pokemon (save for maybe Mewtwo) have a Trainer (who changed based on skin) in the back of the stage.

>tfw you realize that pikachu, jiggly, lucario etc are all wild pokémon and they exploit caught pokémon by using the pokéball items

I don't give a shit about losing trophies but I'm not gonna pretend like it wouldn't have been ideal to have them act as spirits and have descriptions.

>BREAK THE TARGETS
>RACE TO THE FINISH
>BOARD THE PLATFORMS
What does Ultimate have?
>oh yummy yellow balls move along now before it gets too interesting

I mean honestly Break the Targets and Board the Platforms just aren't feasible anymore unless they were done half-assed like in Brawl. There's just too many characters to develop character specific courses for.

God fuck having to do that shit to unlock a stage. Kongo Jungle 64 if I remember right.

Doesn't mean I don't miss them, user
It wouldn't be as bad if the orb shit were more than literally one stage

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I mean Young Link is basically OoT Link so...?

Still pisses me off he's not based on MM Link. Even back in Melee he should have been considering Great Bay is his home stage.

>3 FE awakening char exist
It's not fair.

Digging more into it, I really don't think it would take that much time. I mean, it seems evident through Race to the Finish and how it looks that the Dev Team has some sort of Stage Builder of their own, that we may or may not get with that Spring Update. Either way, i'm mildly confident they have assets that largely simplify the process of making individual BTT/BTP stages. I don't think designing a stage specific to a character is that hard of a task either. Really, when you think of it, I don't think it would take more than a good week at most. It would be much more of a commitment if you considered trying to make different aesthetics for all characters, like Melee sometimes did ( Think of the Yoshi stage in Melee ), but that's not mandatory.

Why'd they even bother homogenising them? Nobody who likes them wants them to be balanced.

They should let you choose the pokemon individually as a secret option and that gives you an exclusive b move

And the great part is that the STILL AREN'T

This should tell you who's only coming in Smash with Ultimate. Brawl and Smash Four had original, unique trophies, albeit in a limited form
>Brawl had the subspace enemies and some of the Kirby enemies, along with Squitter and Expresso from DKC
>Smash Four had stuff like pic related and more from the same series
My own list
>Mario's fire costume and his super mushroom taunt
>The announcer calling the game name when you got to the title screen
>Stage builder. Jumping around moving platforms was fun as fuck
>Custom moves, only because the material for a shitload of echoes was right there, completely wasted
>Multiple stocks in Classic versus pay 100G to lower the difficulty and continue playing. Why not use the gold to buy stock before you play, especially in harder intensities
>Lastly and I can't be the only one here: KO bonuses

That would have been more Smash wanking that Ultimate is doing for the anniversary of Smash, the lone Charizard using Mega evolution to fight on its own. I'm surprised Sakurai didn't do that considering how Smash is celebrating itself.

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I thik all of them except Mewtwo and Lucario come out of Pokeballs for their stage entrance.

I miss Wolf being absent.
He's such a bitch to fight.

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Was there any reason to NOT bring back the DKCR stage from Smash Wii U?

Not adding Protoman as an echo with 3 of Megaman's custom moves was a damn shame.

Same for differentiating Lucina and Dark Pit more with some of their custom moves. This bothers me.

It wasn't so much to balance them. He specifically said in the E3 reveal that the change was to get back to normal gameplay quicker.

The new lighting is more advanced and visually more impressive, but from a functional standpoint it reduces visual clarity of gameplay

He's probably my least favorite character to fight against aside from Marth and his 3 clones

The fact that all bomb items except for trip mines can't hurt the user is bullshit. There is no downside to just running up to the opponent and throwing it at your feet.

Stage Morph

I think the point was to reduce the amount of time the FS user has advantage.

I miss regular enemies
I hope they add smash run and race to the finish so they can add them back again and maybe integrate some into world of light

Smash the target and home run contest
the game itself is great but I just need these two modes in my life regardless of how insignificant they are to the rest of the game

Yeah, think about shit like the landmaster where people just run away for 10 seconds while you flail around uselessly

Have you guys seen this video

youtu.be/1g1drZ1j-C0

Don't forget the classic NOW ILL SHOW YOU

Break the Targets. Of all of the extra modes, that one was always my favorite. Hopefully they'll bring it back in a future update. I'd say Home-Run Contest, too, but it looks like, according to datamines, they're already planning on bringing that one back. That's awesome.

Otherwise, can't say there's too much that I miss.

Hopefully Square will be decent enough to allow us to have Geno's Mii costume downloadable again. I doubted he'd be playable, so that + the spirit would be the penultimate Geno experience. Plus, Mii Gunner can be used online now.

Yeah, this one in particular is so strange, and I'm a Young Link main. It's weird to play like your bombs won't hurt you, but then they sometimes do like if you only hit yourself. Just strange.

Don’t worry im sure sakurai will put everything we want in 3.0, if he doesn’t then im gonna make sure he stops being a lazy piece of shit

Adventure Mode
A decent Classic Mode
Trophies
Mini games with some actual effort put into them, like Melee's Break the Targets
Not completely irredeemably shit online that you have to pay for
Final Smash's that aren't just cutscenes

What the hell is the appeal of Home Run Contest? Everyone just cheeses it with Ganondorf.

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I kind of miss trophies and yet I kind of don't. By Smash 4 I got a bit too used to them so collecting them didn't feel rewarding at all. Spirits may be PNGs but they have stats and there's a bunch that are either so obscure or unimportant that they'd never get a trophy normally, so it's cool to see them. (Ie: Hugh Baldwin)

I can say the same about your mom

Scoring a high distance with a character who can't really put out a lot of damage. In a sense, modes like that required you to learn the character and how they worked. Y. Link's BTT was a revelation for me when I learned the walljump.

Break the Targets and Rainbow Road

Stage Builder
Rainbow Road
The good Pictochat
Mario's Jumpman alt
Black Yoshi
Stage Builder
Mr. Game and Watch's box
Characters actually having unique final smashes
The Cracker Launcher

And most of all, Stage Builder

Should have just tied switching to a taunt button.

Spirits are weird because of the interplay between collecting them and actually using them.

Like the leveling, training, and fusing makes it seem like you should pick a handful of spirits to main. Yet the actual game is such that you're usually better off just auto picking a spirit every time.

Then at the very least they should give Link an OoT costume, they'd be able to reuse Young Link assets for most of it.
I'm absolutely furious that they didn't even have his Final Smash involve Fierce Deity in any way. It could've functioned the same but have him turn into FD to deliver those slashes, but nope.

Fun in melee is a chore im the rest of the games

single player content

I miss the old Pit where he was like HIYAYAYA and "THE FIGHT IS ON!" Uprising ruined it by making all future KI related content to that game instead.

Uprising Pit is still the same "HIYAYAYA" and "THE FIGHT IS ON!" Pit. They were both re-imagined by Sakurai.

Coin mode

It's fucking astounding how obnoxious Pit's Uprising voice is.
Even Smash 4 Fox is more pleasant to the ears.

At least the music is in

>re-imagined
That sums up every character in Smash in a nutshell.

>having a whole bunch of new stages to look forward to (doesn't help that 3 of the 4 new stages are crap either; the extra stages are what I'm most looking forward to with the DLC unless either of my never evers actually makes it in, and I hope we see some of the cut older stages also make it in)
>a new first party retro rep (Plantfags can feel free to fuck off with their claims of being the retro rep)
>Fire Mario
>a not retarded roster order on the CSS
>not being able to easily see the CSS under the READY TO FIGHT banner (they should've just slapped it over the portraits below, what the actual fuck)
>a simple and easy to understand online system (seriously their new systems are the most backwards and needlessly convoluted methods)

Worst opinion in this thread.
If anyone sounds like shit in Ultimate, it's Ganondorf.

Haven't done homerun since melee but I really enjoyed practicing the button presses to maximize the distance. I did not enjoy playing Yoshi ever but down+A for 22% was tough for me to get right successively.

Agreed, they wasted his fabulous OoT/Melee VA. They should've just pulled a Young Link and went with mostly reused voice clips. That better be one of the first voice hacks for Ultimate.

> They got Ganondorf's OG voice actor back, who also voices Donkey Kong
> DK is still stuck with the realistic gorilla voice

This was the perfect opportunity to get DK's voice right

So many good colors for characters were removed because of muh alts

>dissing World of Light

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FUCK ME I KEEP FORGETTING THAT. Bowser is worse IMO because his own series betrays him now (Jr. has his proper game VA unlike Papa).

Monkey Paw: Banjo Kazooie get in but they also use stock bear and bird noises.

they brought back the music and still made Metal Mario part of Jigglypuff's 64 nostalgia run on Classic Mode so I'm fine with the compromise in Ult.

I still miss those footsteps though

>he doesn't know you can suck the gordos now

they fixed it now. Gordo mind games are a thing.

Damn, when I see shit like this gif I think how incredible it is that every single pokemon is somebody's favorite even if the guy who made it is clearly some form of degenerate

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Bowsers new side b doesmt cancel lag anymore and practically made him unusable for me...which is a shame because hes my favorite character. Good thing ganon is kickass

>he unironically misses Poke Floats

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it’s shit lol

tbqh, I'd settle for a version of the stage without the background gimmick, as long as it kept the towers and barrels in some way.

3rd parties get better treatment overall, so no need to worry.

it's just Subspace on crack but with less cutsce-and now i get why you miss it.

nah fuck off.

I want the platforming stages from Adventure/Subspace back you strawmanning little bitch

>3rd Parties get better treatment
>Cloud
>Joker

>MUH MELEE ADVENTURE MODE

why do you faggots miss that mode so much? the platformming was terribly intergrated for every character and that was when the franchise had less than 30 people in it

How did Charizard forget an HM?

Point the finger at the parent companies, not Sakurai.

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Joker is not even out, what are you talking about?

world of light is dogshit dude
>super armor, metal, giant, stamina battle(has double your stamina)
it just encourages cheese play, I'm glad it is completely optional

Because it actually had levels based on Nintendo games and not Sakurai's OC.

Kind of an odd thing, but I miss the cut AT's and Pokemon. At the very least just Ray, Saki, Excitebikers, the AW soldiers and such. It's not like they'll be in any other game anytime soon, so it'd be nice to see them as assists.

Pokemon-wise, I just want to see a little more variety. Bonsly, Weavile, Gulpin, Weezing, Munchlax, Porygon2, Unown, Hitmonlee, etc. Lot of fun gimmick pokemon got cut over the years. Not the end of the world, but it'd be nice if we got a few of them back in an update down the line or something.

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Chrom does not need to exist. He should have stayed a joke or replaced Lucina.

It seems to kind of defeat the point of a taunt if they're consequence-free.

It was rarely utilized because unlocking the moves and using them were a fucking chore.
>have to unlock them randomly
>fastest way of getting them is to use money for trophy rush
>custom moves that you only unlock after completing a challenge enter the RNG pool AFTER you earn them
>have to assign them beforehand from custom characters instead of on the roster screen
>can't have custom moves without also allowing equipment

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>Dominant Strategy equals the mode is shit

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That’s why they should have made Mega Charizard X an echo fighter

>replaced Lucina.

people would have rioted if they lost their waifu as bland of a echo she is. i mean look at how many fans were happy Daisy was added.

Porygon2 was cool as fuck

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>they should have made Mega Charizard X an echo fighter
You would need Echo Fighters of Squirtle and Ivysaur as well

You forgot the part where it was possible to get repeats.

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I generally don’t play with items, but why the FUCK didnt they bring them all back? We’re missing shit like the red shell, the invisibility cloak, the fan etc. Also why didnt they bring back all the stages? They were missing like 10 in total and were so close to having them all there.

>Also why didnt they bring back all the stages?
How would you bring back something like Pyrosphere now that Ridley can no longer be the key hazard?

I think it might just vary from stage to stage. I assume they didn't bring back the Melee Mushroom Kingdom stage because they assumed it'd be redundant to have two stages based on the same NES style, but eh. They should've just altered it to look like Mario 3 tbqh I also assume maybe Orbital Gate Assault and Jungle Hijinks might've had issues with stage morph, but I dunno. I would've happily taken a version of JH without the background gimmick.

The invisibility cloak was from Perfect Dark, so they couldn't have brought it back, it was only featured in Melee which was a year before the Microsoft buyout.

>Pyroshpere without Ridley, but the enemies are still there
That'd be kinda nice actually.

I kinda mentioned that with the challenge-unlocked moves, but I should've been more specific because it really was that tedious.
>custom parts don't even guarantee a move, sometimes giving you some stupid mii clothes or equipment instead
>mfw getting dire hydrant randomly after spending an hour on target blast

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It's not the same Ridley though, the Pyrosphere one is the clone from Other M

Look how they massacred my boy.

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There are 2 Ridleys so it still could've worked fine.

That makes sense. But man do i miss pac maze, melee mute city and poke floats. Kinda weird that they didnt bring back any of the vertically scrolling stages but i guess its because of the stage morph like you said

That's not something that needs to be "from" Perfect Dark, just like the proximity mine doesn't need to be from Goldeneye, they can both be generic.

Not really if Chrom is still in Robin's final smash.

Meta Ridley or just keep him there like they did with Chrom in Robin's final smash.

As I type this, I realize how the statement above wasn't addressed but the other points talked about were.

Who wouldn't?
The stage is quirky but not obtrusive enough, perfect for matches with items and random characters.
Stage builder was also great for this, sad it's gone.

subspace emmisary adventure mode

His design is different and story-wise Other M Ridley is a clone.

>Not really if Chrom is still in Robin's final smash.
My point is that Echo Fighters are supposed to be primarily the same fighter but with small tweaks, and a standalone Charizard X compared to the 3-in-1 Pokemon Trainer's Charizard is a pretty substantial difference.

What was the point of the cloaking device? It didn't hide your tag if you had one and if the other player couldn't see you, you most likely couldn't see yourself either.

The cloaking device made you invisible and "invincible" Damage wise

One of the best changes in ultimate

Not exactly, it's the same as Mario and Doc. One has a damaging Down-B and the other has a supportive Down-B. Again, I'm going to bring up Chrom because things like this can be done without hassle, even if they're last minute addons.

I can't say I ever liked it.

Pretty sure you could still get hit

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Hmmmmmmmm nope. Not seeing an issue here.

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>Not exactly, it's the same as Mario and Doc. One has a damaging Down-B and the other has a supportive Down-B
You're treating it like Charizard is still a stand alone character, though, when he's not. He's a packaged deal with Squirtle and Ivysaur under the Pokemon Trainer. If you had Mega Charizard X by itself with no alternatives to Squirtle or Ivysaur, then it'd be its own character, not an Echo.

Dr. Mario isn't considered an Echo either.

Pokemon Trainers old voice

How do you go from this

youtube.com/watch?v=KLuwQniAm2E

TO THIS?

youtube.com/watch?v=GIOqdmJZf-c
Skip to 0:40 for English

DK and Bowser get it the worst. I'd complain about K Rool but he barely has any audio (besides the kremling HOONK) until DK64, and then his voice was pretty lame. But DK is a goofy monkey and he gets depicted as a much less goofy monkey in smash.

I know Doc's not an echo, I even fight the people who call him that. In the case, make Mega Charizard X its own slot as a clone, problem solved.

I only jumped in because I can't clone Charizard in Project M and wanted what the OP wanted for Ultimate too, with Mega Charizard X.

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Have you heard Red’s new voice?

At least Pit sounds like a kid instead of being played by an ex-Rouge the bat deepening her voice.

Not him, but yes, Pokemon Trainer is definitely my big complaint in regards to English voices. I know he's voiced by the guy who also voices Greninja, but I'm really not digging it. Female Pokemon Trainer sounds perfect.

See

> Ex-Rouge the Bat
Fuck, you just reminded me that Lyn still has that awful voice from Brawl. She has a new VA now so there is no excuses for this.

Damn you’re not kidding, shocking how the woman did a better job sounding like a male kid than he does.

Such a shame but Smash is so autistic about acknowledging Red so who cares in their eyes I guess.

I really wish they bring Manaphy back eventually. It has one of the coolest gimmicks out of all Pokémon to ever have been in Smash(character swap with opponent) but it was so extremely rare in Brawl hardly anyone even knows about it. Personally I've only seen it show up once in the hundreds of hours I played that game with friends.

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holy shit I forgot about the fan

I miss the game having more than just multiplayer and bot matches. Ultimate is the Quake 3 of Smash.

You versus the guy they told you not to worry about

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A dedicated For Glory mode. Preferred settings suck. Nothing worse than selecting 1v1, omega only, 3 stock, no items and getting put in a 4 smash, normal stage, time match, with items

I'm really hoping one of the new game modes in 3.0.0 does more to promote single player. But I know it won't.

Stage Builder is pretty much guaranteed, so I'm hoping they actually take the idea I've seen online of people being able to make their own Target Test stages as well to share.

And if you want to queue into a for fun match with items and shit, then you're suddenly ruining things for the for glory players, while also tanking your gsp. It's bad all around.

I liked how Melee had all the legendaries at the time as Pokeball summons while Mewtwo was playable. Surprised more Smash games didn't do this.

I miss the big gay dance.

YESSS next up removing that cancerous character from the game

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He's fine now.

because they had to shoehorn a needless boss rush before the true final fight

They might've been buffed, but their alt game was nerfed to the ground. Almost all the good clothess are gone now in favor of more cosplay

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>tfw they removed chicken hat

>World of Light
>story
>shows one cutscene and then it’s challenge events from there on out

>Stamina shit and Time shit and gimmicks
>1,000 times
WoL is even worse than Smash 4's SP mode, somehow.

Would've been great if WoL had cutscenes of the characters interacting with each other. Doesn't even need a big epic story, just random silly one off interactions would've been nice. Also descriptions on the spirits, I hate not knowing who some of them are or what they're from

NO TAUNTS ONLINE

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>196 replies
>No one has posted the most obnoxious cut

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In all my years of playing brawl I've seen it 3 times total. Easily one of the most unique Pokeball Pokemon in smash.

Sword dance from FE character use to have more versatility
Gannons down B used to have an instant hitbox on start up if you jump cancelled it.
Falcos back air used to have less start up frames
Falso's up smash used to have better up smash hit box
sword attack cancelling each other out used to have a realistic sound in Melee.
Twilit Princess Zelda.
Shulk kept his blonde hair in color alts
Short hop back airs don't have some weird forced directional influence like they do now (why?)

They really should've replaced flare blitz with that
its so annoying online and rock smash is cooler mechanically

The problem is that they change the basic one with more gears and things. The color doesn't matter that much so it's like I can't really get a fully Red character for exemple.

It was fun in boss rush

I thought that for a while but after using it more it's way easier to punish with

Because nobody actually plays Diddy anymore.

better than
>recycled models you do nothing with along with treehouse tier writing
what a waste of development time, even shown on the last fucking game

rosterfags need reasons to whine

Just switch with Shield + B

>Not removing the bottom Donkey Kong death taunt for the thumbs up

As a Mario main it just feels wrong without the OG

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they should of done what they did with inkling and bind it to shield+B. that way the mons/zelda still still have 4 moves but keep transformation

I miss wario's janky walk animation. It was hilarious.

I think the only thing I really, truly miss is stage builder. I don't mind break the targets and home run contest being cut, they were somewhat enjoyable but I rarely went back to them.

Stage builder was awesome though, I always had so much fun making dumb stages with my friends and fucking around on them. Really hope they include it as a free update with 3.0

I miss pichus walk from melee

I cannot find a single complaint in here that's valid. Charizard has always been a bad character, Rock Smash has always been a bad move, there was nothing of value lost when it was axed for Pokemon Switch.

>shield+B
This is such an unintuitive input that literally no other character has ever used.

hell, because they sped up most of the existing taunts the dk death taunt just looks wrong now

>Find they have color options
>90% of the clothes have 0 color changes

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I miss Wolf's exposed armpits.

Meta Knight's old final smash

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seriously what the fuck was the point of including the boss rush in the final battle
it felt like needless padding to a mode that already overstayed its welcome by a huge fucking margin

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KNOW MY POWER

This was my favorite palette in Brawl but then Sakurai decided to replace it with a fucking sesame street character in 4

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why the fuck didn't they bring this back? it was so unique

Trophies, snake codecs and stage builder.

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>change final smashes to all be fast, simple and straight to the point
>meta knight's final smash already fit this
>but change it anyway to yet another fucking great aether clone
what the hell was the point

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B E H O L D

Bring back Melee momentum, I want my Captain Falcon dammit

Ike's old voice. It would at least make playing against the millions of them on Quickplay more bearable.

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>all these "teleport the opponent to another dimension" final smashes

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>speeding up taunts
Fuck that. It lessens the impact if you can get away with it that easy.

Because then you either have two Charizards or a Pokémon Trainer with only Squirtle and Ivysaur.

Codecs are still in the game... for everyone who was in Brawl.

Fucking insane that so many people thought that Diddy's tail attacks being removed were in order to make Dixie Kong a more suitable Echo Fighter

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>Prefering Quantity over quality
Typical Smashbaby.

This, bring back the Dees. Nobody else in the game gets a damn projectile that can just be poked back by anything. Imagine if Samus's shots could be reflected by jabbing them.

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was complete shit.

Mute City Melee, red shell, Ai no Uta & Tane no Uta, Planet Zebes, Rainbow Road, Wolly World.

imagine having a spiked ball projectile that can be reflected by a sneeze

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WoL is too repetitive due to the need for balance. Not a single fight where you can get an AT or dragoon or whacky items? Every match is 1 stock? It just gets dull.

SMASH 3DS WAS THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO THE SERIES
THE WHOLE "EVERYONE IS HERE" IS JUST A BIG FUCKING SLAP IN THE FACE TO ANYONE WHO MADE THE MISTAKE OF BUYING INTO SM4SH
FUCK

Imagine if an uncharged Samus shot did 20% and lingered. The gordos are great for mind games and ledge guarding.

I have like 1k hours in 4, that's pretty good for 60 dollars.

As if its difficult to charge.

>Pit just gets Dragoon

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He's had like 3 different Final Smashes now

Fucking Fire Mario

Fucking Black Yoshi

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>not liking the astronaut suit
utterly shameful.

tfw my favourite outfit made it back but with my favourite part of the design changed

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You know how Sakurai is, a good thing has to be changed because reasons.

But you didn't take damage you spastic.

Looks like it was changed to match Ultimate's logo instead of Kerfuffle's. Still sucks though.

I miss G&Ws old animations. I don't really like what they are now.

>the way the characters pose in the select screen on 64
>versus FIGHTING POLYGON TEAM
>the full version of the DK Rap

>Lose rock smash
>Gain access to almost two characters' worth of extra moves, some of them busted as shit.

How pokefags can ever complain about this is beyond me.

It's been many many years since I've used items in Melee

Link. Young Link is fun, Breath Link has some neat remote bomb gimmicks, but I miss the versitility of Link with his normal bombs, long reaching normals and Hookshot. The Gale Boomerang was also delightful and returning to a bog standard one feels like a step down.

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The Smash version of the DK Rap was always shit regardless.

BUT I ONLY WANT TO PLAY THE DWAGON

speed and control of movement
ledgehogging
non-sticky ledges
depth

>Lingering 3ds limitations still exist
>Pit's arrows don't last forever like brawl

I really miss waddle dees. They should've made it his down b instead of his worthless hammer. I would've loved DDD to be a minion spamming heavyweight

Bathing
Personal hygiene
Basic dignity

Too bad these were all removed in Melee

The one feature I want most is import songs to certain stages. It's really sad that tracks like Tunnel X and Mach Rider got left homeless because all stage music became their series only. And then there's all that Namco music which is pretty great but trapped on the worst most painful to the eyes stage.

Yea Forums having a tolerable influx of Smash containment threads. I sure miss that.

Why didn't they separate Squirtle and Ivysaur too then? They literally only had to give them a Down B.

I'm still waiting for the announcer to get a cool filter added to their voice like in the first two games. It always felt like it emboldened the mode.

B O A R D T H E P L A T F O R M S

Because switching characters is Pokémon Trainer's gimmick.

>wanting us to be filled with generals like what the mods did to Yea Forums
This is a cross we must bear, user.

>gaming club at my high school hosts a Brawl tournament for a free iPod
>join in
>second to last match, using Pokemon Trainer
>sudden death against a Falco
>end up Rock Smashing an explosive crate that spawned as soon as I started the move

>Red

Blame Bayonetta for that one. If one character doesn't need to be locked into taunts, then the logic had to be applied to everyone.

They should've kept it and let you choose which minion you toss by angling, like Peach and Daisy's side smash

Imagine the damage

Who cares about Pokémon Trainer, you don't even play as him.