LFM MC - MUST HAVE AT LEAST 4 PIECES OF MC GEAR - ALL LEGENDARIES AND BOES RES - NO RET PALADINS ALLOWED

dont kid yourself mr trips, you CAN play classic single player. ive done it on numerous private servers.

The only change classic should have is that raids are deleted from the game and anyone who complains gets executed

Journey > Destination

My guild used to invite chinese gold farmers that farmed the humanoid camps in azshara to join us in MC. it was fun chatting with them
I remember giving one of them a CHT since none of our Rogues needed it.

>Playing classic for the vanilla raids that are piss easy and have been solved for more than a decade

If you're not playing classic for a static world server pvp leveling shenanigans and for the nostalgia trip through classic world leveling without all the broken shit on private servers, then you're an idiot.

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it's a shame, the patch that added the 0.5 tier gear changed strat/scholo from 10 man instances to 5 man, and UBRS to 10 from 15. zerging those places was a good time

>gonna roll around with my friends as a party of paladins, priests and warriors murdering undead while listening to this on loop
>youtube.com/watch?v=7U9lVjZg-Kg
DEUS VULT

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retail could do with some raids that are 10 mans

Why would you not want a Retdin, Blessing of Kings is awesome
Having more than 2 is a waste, but the 2 you do have can cycle Kings buffs and cleanse debuffs, even if their damage is crap.

You give to one of the healer paladins to use when they are fucking around as ret outside of raids.

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I just know the devs are going to let me down, all I want is to just spend a month or more leveling to 60 completing zone quests.

Is that too much to ask?

do you think they'll have some servers where they experiment with features with some staying no changes

Solved with a hardworking and dedicated team is not the same thing as solved in general. Figuring out how to clear the content with the low-tier and mid-tier people you have is still unsolved and interesting.

i just want a balanced server
but that's impossible to find on day 1
or even day 7
so the blizzjews will get $25 out of me eventually
fuck them!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Any other hunters ready for the easiest and comfiest leveling?

>pet pulls the whole dungeon
Im going to preemptively murder you

>He only played 1.9

Hi

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I'm worried they will take out all the fun stuff that was removed the first time around due to Blizzard's "no fun allowed" faggotry like kiting world bosses to cities and visiting GM Island and summoning people off of cliffs and killing people in the AH with the Baron Geddon bomb on a pet/demon.

So I heard you wanted

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>MC - MUST HAVE AT LEAST 4 PIECES OF MC GEAR
But MC can be pugged with 40 fresh 60s in greens. Like, easily.

The wow community has always been pretty lame. I remember the sheer amount of rage that exploded out when dumb faggots got interrupted by the zombie plague event. Actually try to imagine getting pissed because your mindless grinding was stopped by a fun, 1 time event.

the comfy? = )

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Yep the community is full of AIDS. I'm really hoping the existence of Classic is Blizzard's admission that they shouldn't have listened to whiners and casuals throughout the course of retail WoW and that they learned their lesson.

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Lupos won't do shadow damage in classic. Broken tooth should still be fast AF tho.

Yeah there was so much bitching in the vanilla event that it was stopped after only 5 days.

Well OSRS killed RS so maybe classic will kill WoW.

>playing classic
That's a mistake, Classic will suck.

Horde > Alliance
Shaman > Paladin

Didn't work back then, works perfectly fine now.
Ppl aren't that bad anymore

>Game is shittier than ever
>Still thinking about resubbing out of pure boredom
What the fuck is there even to do? Farm Azerite? Farm that garbage Azerite gear? Has anything changed positively since launch?

you got the wrong inequality signs there mate. turn them around for objective reality

>not wanting chad paladin buffs
>not crushing niggers with reckbombs
>not being a plate wearing invincible juggernaut that crushes literally every class in the game except a mage (and even then its dependant on chance)

zombie event, I meant

Retail isn't worth it friend. Just wait for classic and next expansion.

Paladin buffs are garbage compared to totems.
Reckbomb is trash.
Paladin crushes only the player, who sees his hopes and dreams of ever being useful go down the drain.

Not to mention alterac valley is heavily alliance biased even without the bridge.

Are they going to implement the kill credit for quest monsters like in retail so I don't have to wait in line to kill Sarkoth? Hated that in Nostalrious.

>checking classicraid.io

you're just wrong bro. paladin is a fucking monster in pvp and is plain old impossible to kill if holy, and if ret hes not only impossible to kill but he smacks you with a thicc SoC proc that bypasses armor and has no resistances either

also
>totems
kek th eonly totem even halfway worthwhile is windfury and even that is surpassed by having your dps get kings for consistent damage output that doesnt depend on RNG procs

>alterac valley is heavily alliance biased
>he doesn't know
Alliance will never win AV, ever.

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Nobody in this thread is thinking of playing retail.

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Classic wasn't made with esports cancer in mind, most groups won't have any trouble clearing MC and have a wide range of people to pick from

You are retarded.

i mean it happened but i more enjoyed AV battles lasting days,even if we lost

In a perfect scenario Windfury is better, but you gotta get that scenario.

>it happened
You make it sound like it didn't happen literally every game. I've played the private servers, I know how this bullshit goes down.

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Is this sarcasm? Honest question here, how is it a single frost mage with imp blizzard can stop the entire horde raid from crossing the bridge, but people in a very vulnerable, slow as fuck to climb area that few people even know how to do, is somehow better? And even then, how is this worse than the horde base where you can just waltz in and ignore 90% of the npcs?

I'm playing alliance because my friends are, but I know the score. We're fucked if blizz doesn't ban for this shit.

i meant alliance winning AV m8

won't be possible in blizz's version of classic because they are still using the physics engine of modern wow, meaning the jump exploit to get into alliance base on AV isnt possible.

>Is this sarcasm?
You didn't play Chink's Hope. This was every game
>AV starts
>the ENTIRE Horde team runs right up there because they've learned how to perfectly coordinate it
>they backdoor it and take relief hut
>we lose

>im just not going to raid lol
how do you think you get pvp gear in classic
are you just planning to quit at 60

So it's not fair that alliance has to put force the tiniest amount of effort to defend their base?

I don't know anything about the jump exploit, but I've been playing on private server, and in ZF when we fail the stair it's still possible to do the next boss by doing some jumping in a corner to get over the wall. Will that be impossible in the new wow?

>tiniest amount of effort
You realize they throw the entire raid into that, right? It's why Alliance if they don't repel it, tend to just let it happen and lose, because just losing and doing a new game is more honor than dragging AV out at that point.

I got looped into BFA from the lack of other mmos to play and I can safely say that it's not worth it.

>They took the worst parts of legion and made it a core aspect of BFA
>Class balance is fucking atrocious
>PVP servers are dead and war mode is a piss poor replacement
>They've failed to deliver on the promise for kul tirans/zandalari. I don't care if they're coming next patch, that was a main selling point of the expansion and it's been months and they weren't added.
>community has been obliterated with even merged servers having barely any pop
>the story is absolutely awful and makes no sense even for a mmo plot.

They shot their own game straight in the head. The only people left are the addicted, collect-athon tards, and those unwillingly to simply move on.

Don't sub user, don't waste the money.

Ok, but it takes only a few ranged characters to nip this shit in the bud.

>Ok, but it takes only a few ranged characters to nip this shit in the bud.
>nip
Banned for racism.

>implying I'll hit 60 before quitting

For one, you act like their ranged characters aren't also shooting at you while waiting for the last few stragglers. But more importantly, Alliance players in AV tend to be retards that don't defend shit.

Ok, but the horde base isn't defendable either. And even then, you don't have to deal with the clumped alliance elites near the flag and stables.

It’s too long ago for me to even remember how Pallies played. But Hunters, Rogues and Warlocks were fuckin’ OP bull shit; Warriors were useless; and the class I played - Mage used to be closer to “glass-cannon” instead of just “glass”.

Out of everything BfA at least brought a really niche Pyroblast talent that takes off exactly 35% of a health bar each cast; regardless of stats. It felt like the old days for a while with that; actually being a threat. God I generally hate being a Mage in PvP in Retail though; my speciality is to “fuck off and try not to die instantly” rather than any sort of offensive tricks.

people can easily pug them now

What's a good private server to experiment on?

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>Ok, but the horde base isn't defendable either.
You're right, it's not. But the fact is they tend to have their shit coordinated faster than us so even if both sides race to each other's bases and ignore each other, Horde wins that race if they backdoor.

If alliance are too retarded to deal with this, then it's their fault for losing, not because the map hasn't given them a dozen advantages.

just play northdale like everyone else
don't burn yourself out before this summer

Chinkdale, nothing else really out there

Personally I blame it on private servers being filled with russian players. Russians and chinks.

backdoor is generally an inferior strat for this reason
generally in pugmades the strat is to just zerg the base while leaving a few defenders at the outer towers. once you have relief hut your not going to lose unless the other team goes full turtle (ie are chinese) and your group sucks

Fair enough. Hopefully I don't run into any spergs who will be mad if I'm not a 15 year vet.

Most players on private servers are actually terrible at the game so don't worry.

classic is going to be shit
il wait til everyone realizes that and be there when the next pserver migration happens

Fucking hell it's been too long, I thought the change made it a 5 man, even though I ran it a ton I can hardly remember running it with 10, let alone 15 people. Loved the strats for dealing with Drakkisath, having hunters kite him all the way back to the Beast while the rest of the group dealt with the adds.

You coupd kite Drakki all the way to Rend, made the fight manageable with pugs at least

what would you guys do if blizz started creating new content patches off of vanilla model on different servers while also keeping a few classic servers static?

stupid idea, eh?

Your mom is shit.

Fuck off Todd I'm still not buying it

Best outcome. No changes fags can mail shit 1 at a time while we get to see finished aszhara with it's naga temple instance and the original caverns of time.

Judging from experience on your usual Private server it goes even like this:
>LFM Strat Life, Orbs reserved
>LFM AV premade, must have epic mount, honor reserved
Like what the fucking fuck? Holy fucking shit. And obviously every UBRS run some rogue shit gets reserved all the time (not that I play rogue but it's still seen in every LFM message), I also have seen one dude spamming about reserving Rivendaire mount, like what the fuck are you even doing with your life, reserving shit that drops with 1:5000 chance.

I would bet all of those faggots are from NA, and the good thing about blizzard classic is going to be the fact that all ameritards are going to be filtered in their own ranch where they can shit on each other.
Pic related is your typical americaposter.

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Only true if you were planing on killing Ragnaros.

I'd be ok with it but I really don't know what they'd do with the scaling.

Naxx gear is already stupidly strong and it'd be hard to imagine stronger gear that wouldn't completely fuck up the balance of the game in a way similar to that of a level cap increase.

>trusting nu-Blizzard to create good content

classic was like the only time he did shadow

its going to be the exact same dont kid yourself
t. play in a joint NA/EU weekend guild on chinkdale

In all fairness, muslims will just ban video games in europe soon enough, so it will be down to americans on their own, and australians desperate to not be apart of the chiki-chong servers.

But they aren't even creating content, they are just re-releasing old stuff with some tweaks. It's even less of a new content than Warcraft reforged, it's on the level of starcraft remaster.

When has a ban on anything actually worked desu

question for you guys that raided in vanilla and on private servers
i want to play a hunter, are they viable for raids or will i have a hard time finding a group?

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When they behead you and rape your children.

you bring one (1) for tranq.

unless you're in a shitter guild who takes whoever.

If went way way back, every instance could be raided. That got changed in early 2005 though I think, I remember some shitty 20ish man bombs into WC

Most guilds are going to be shitter guilds and most of them will clear the raids just fine.

>NO RET PALADINS ALLOWED
Still stings to this day.

You usually take 2 or 3 hunters to rotate tranq shot

vanilla actually has a fairly harsh difficulty curve
MC is a complete joke but BWL (while easy) requires people to know how to read KTM, and shitter guilds arent clearing AQ/Naxx

Fair enough. I'm still going to laugh at guilds that will require fear ward like the raids aren't easily clearable without it.

Hard time, because nobody wants you in dungeons, and all guilds already have their own hunter shitter.
If you want to play a an easy pet class, play warlock instead, everyone and their mom will beg you to join.
For some stupid reason warlocks while being extremely strong and fun are one of the least played classes in vanilla.

>For some stupid reason warlocks while being extremely strong and fun are one of the least played classes in vanilla
It's the "soul shards are le bad" meme

short answer no.
wall jumping is among one of the many things that was killed when they switched physics.

His shadow damage was patched sometime before 1.12. Which is a shame since I always liked the idea of rare hunter pets with unique abilities.

user, play retail, farm gold, trade gold into tokens, then you can play classic for free. That's the only reason to play WoW right now. And maybe finding a guild of active players that's waiting for classic as well.

retrowow if you want to experiment.

>dual spec
lol

>He's going to be too broke to swap specs
>He's not going to grind a hunter to 60 first so he can grind gold like an ascended chink

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Wow Classic is gonna be 90% like private servers (same people, same chat, less bugs) except you'll have to pay for it
Prove me wrong

Literally untrue, you need enough hunters for tranq shot and enough people who did the quest line for rep with hydraxian water lords to even spawn Ragnaros.

Stop talking out your ass.

Better tell me, is Dire Maul loot will be blizzlike? I wanna farm there a week or two as a frostmage and never have to worry about gold ever again
Not nerfed shit like on LH

no
it'll have 100x the population
no one will know anyone from private servers

It's going to be running off the new engine, so it will probably only be about 60% like private servers.

It's also up in the air exactly what that 60% that's the same is going to be. I'm not going to get my hopes up.

>classic will be on the 7.0 client without wall jumps

rip horde cucks

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that would be ideal, but sadly they're not investing anything on classic, so it's very likely they're just going to keep releasing old expansions every 6-18 months or something to recycle what they already have.

>paying for it
>bad
That will help keep out some of the chink/BR/slav/poorfag/kiddy garbage

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What set will you be collecting purely for looks?

inb4 Pally T2

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The simple fact that I won't have to see a single chinamen or eucuck on Classic is worth the cost on its own.

Mage tiers all suck so I'll collect some of the pretty non-tier robes instead.

>still have my full T1 and T2 sets in my retail lock's bank
>tfw there are now quite a few players who weren't even alive yet when I acquired that loot

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zoomers dont play wow

These are the only armors that look good
>Tier 1
Druid, Mage, Priest, Warrior
>Tier 2
Druid Mage, Paladin, Rogue, Shaman, Warlock
>Tier 3
Mage, Shaman, Warrior

>any mage set
>good
wrong, but the rest is correct

retrowow and Warsong are really good funserver

Well if we look just from visual point of view, the best would be:
>T1
Druid, Priest, Warlock
>T2
Paladin, Rogue, Warlock (fits more a necromancer but still great)
>T3
Mage (actually the most fitting set for a frostmage, even now)

jokes on you, im playing burning crusade.
i dont raid mc

My boomer friends, are you also going to remind everyone you encounter in Classic how you started playing back in Vanilla?

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You're joking but that is how it basically goes down on private servers. No one wants to wipe on the content they begrudging do once a month/week to get it out of the way. Raiders unironically hate raiding.

You obviously werent around when they brought back MC for a special event and you saw dozens of people jobbing it to just the fucking trash mobs inside of there. MC might be easy for the people who actually did the dungeon back in Vanilla, but the modern day moron who still plays the abortion that is WoW will struggle with MC and will not make it past Razorgore in BWL

From what I remember only destro was strong on pve, and you needed pretty good gear for it to out dps a mage, specially since the first raids are weak to ice.

And once you get your lock to obscene levels of damage, they start pulling agro like crazy because they throw stupid strong shadowbolts.

This is my vague memory of vanilla, and people complaining about debuff slots of course making multiple warlocks not optimal.

Based and lightpilled

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The main reason people wanted Warlocks in general was A) Health Stones and Finally B) Summoning. That's it. Unless you had raid/HW/GM gear no one really gave a shit about warlocks.

Reminder to avoid speedrunning minmaxer trannies like the plague. Do not invite Dwarf Priests to your group lmao. Let them scream at each other in their own autistic bubble.

sounds like too much work for blizzard

Best is horizontal content. Adding shit on top of end game just stretches shit out instead of filling it with more options.

balanced how? lights hope is fine
elysium isn't bad and is starting a fresh server soon

pvp or pve server
I feel like I won't have as much time to fully enjoy wpvp and leveling as I used to

everything in that post is 100% correct though, the game has fucking sucked since the cata launch. at least wotlk had ulduar and ICC was aight

>NO RET PALADINS ALLOWED
>Playing Alliance
That's what you get, playing with literal children

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as in, every pvp zone isn't swarmed by the oppsite faction, and that every zone, or at least every other zone, is balanced or favored by the other

Dungeon set for druid and tier 1 for lock is the most I could ever ask for.
Though dreadnought on an undead warrior means I could RP as a death knight.

PvE server might as well be considered RP, because that's how gay you're gonna get
You already have sharding, so you're essentially doubling down on "please don't hurt me" methods

You're forgetting Banish, which was very useful in MC

Hey I'm coming in late to tell you to stop LARP'ing as a Vanilla player, because everything you're saying here is blatantly false. And I MAINED shaman before you start to ask; Rets were always the most free kills in PvP

>no one really gave a shit about warlocks
>Fears you
>Seduces you
>Fears you
>Seduces you
>More DoT's on you than Paris Hilton has STDs
>Somehow squeeze out a WotF or Pvp Trinket
>"Bitch did i say you could break free?"
>Die

>WoTF was castable from stealth
Yeah, no, you got owned by undead rogues and could do nothing but run in circles and hope your dots ticked him to death after you died and soulstoned and died again

>braces removed

D R O P P E D

0/10

WOULD NOT LET HER TOUCH MY NECKBEARD

>LFM
Don't you mean LFG?

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The salt in barrens will be worth it. So many unique mobs you need to camp, and camping them with shamans in a group is easy because of their totems.

That event was fun. I was in a streamers group who knew the thing back to front so he guided us pretty well.

Honestly Vanilla's raids are turning me off from the entire experience. Classic Alterac Valley is drawing me in but if you aren't in raid gear you don't stand a chance

>tfw finally decided to roll druid but now I'm interested in everything again.
Let me get this straight.
>Warrior
Meatshield that needs good armor and weapons to do good.
>Priest
Full on balls to the wall healer.
>Rogue
Legitimate melee DPS
>Druid
Healer that can do other stuff.
>Paladin
Defensive healer
>Shaman
Offensive healer
>Mage
Full on high impact magical violence
>Warlock
Sustained magical violence in exchange for more utility and neat spells.
>Hunter
hurr I'm playing an MMO but I don't want to play with people

nah that's why you go SL orc lock, resist stuns, tankier than a tank, and you can always deathcoil if shit goes south.

Actually disregard that I suck cocks,
I'm still sticking with druid.

Warlocks at high level are honestly better for soloing than Hunter

Hunter is a more defensive version of the warlock, in a similar way to how the paladin is a more defensive version of the shaman.

Imagine being so fucking worthless you roll a Human Warlock

>LFM ICC10N 5.6K gs with achievement
>link the retard his own achievement
>get invited anyway

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>Druid
>Kinda mediocre healer that can also kinda suck at other things.
ftfy

nah, it's fine
just recast a second later
far worse if you're an alliance priest and give up your survival cd

That effects at most 10% of all encounters and was only really useful in specific circumstances.
>Play Arms warrior Dwarf
>Berserker Rages
>Mortal Strikes you
Sure thing son.

God, if you’re going to shitpost at least do a little research. MC gear is bad for a majority of classes, nobody is going to be asking for mc gear in a fucking mc run. You can full clear in pre-bis blues, even some greens.

Is be fine with content to the game, but not the game style or interface.

t. private server nigger

my version
>Warrior
The most overpowered class in a group, best tank, best melee dps. Solo you're a sad punching bag unless you outgear the oponent dramatically or you're an orc fighting a rogue. Weapons scale absurdly well. They have the hardest time gearing up, because all plate and weapons default to the main tank.
>Priest
Cucked by racial choice, usually in high demand if you're a dwarf. In pvp shadow is at the top of the food chain (specially for horde), but in raids shadow isn't liked much. As a healer your greatest asset is power word shield, since it prevents damage instead of healing it which other healers can't provide.
>Rogue
Overplayed, requires finesse when fighting skilled players, decent in raids, fucked easily by dots before BC.
>Druid
Gimmicky and hard to perform at the level of other classes, underplayed in my experience. Fun as fuck to save a raid by going bear when the tank dies, decent gankers, shitty racial restrictions.
>Paladin
The most efficient healer, ret isn't the worst thing in the world but people will hate you. Hope you like recasting blessings.
>Shaman
Only shines when you get your windfury procs, they're great healers but lacking dispel gimps them hard compared to their counterpart, fun to play and look great.
>Mage
Their rotation consists of spamming 1 button, arguably broken and don't really have any drawbacks besides wearing cloth. Good money makers.
>Warlock
Stupid fun to play, ridiculously annoying in pvp with any spec, raiding viablity depends on the guild, scales well.
>Hunter
Faceroll as fuck, fastest leveler, hyper annoying with shadowmeld. Tranq shot machine in raids. Deadzone and ammo bag is a thing.

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The gold farmers will be there, but you can banish them pretty easily with the magic words

Raids weren't pugged in vanilla. This thread is going to be filled with people pretending they made it past level 40 back when they were 12 and played vanilla.

You can, but is definitely right when he says retail solo players will have a very rude awakening. In standard levelling gear with certain classes, it can be a challenge to even kill social mobs on your own without triggering a pull spiral. I think everyone knows that HUH i’m Referring to specifically

>loot reservation
>retards pulling before the tank and not letting him generate threat before DPSing
>corrupt loot council
>requirements way above the content to join the group
>insular community surrounded around discord and drama rather than comfy server-based forums

wrathbabbies are the death or WoW, we can never go back

loot reservation and loot councils are necessarry if you want progress

>Shadowpriest LFG

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i dunno DKP and shit worked fine before, with discord tranny drama an inevitability in every raiding guild there's always gonna be buddy buddies and corrupt shit going on

This was the perfect system
>Casuals raided dungeons, but by doing so gave themselves more competition for gear
>Hardcore players did them 5 man to complete their quests for items and attunements

Too bad blizzard has always hated casual players.

M8, drama obliterating guilds has always been a thing.
Why do you think
>girl joins the guild
Threads have been a thing for over a decade? The only difference is instead of thirsty white knights you’ll get political white knights. Just excuse the cancer if you’re in a position to, or bail if you’re not

Is there a private server where you are insta 60 and can grab gear. Just wanna test how things play without leveling.

setting up your own private server is piss easy, with GM commands you can do what you want, just give it a google

>Warrior
Best class in the game at end game, but is a pain in the ass to get there and even harder to get good gear at end game
>priest
Everyone will fucking love you
>rogue
consistant melee DPS that can out DPS anyone else due to their threat dump vanish
>druid
A true hybrid class, if you're retarded you'll go full healer, if you're good you'll master feral since most of your healing power comes from gear, not talents, because bears make amazing off tanks where threat isn't an issue
>Paladin
most efficient spam healer in the game, once they reach a threshhold they can heal infinitely due to mana returns
>Shaman
Like paladin, but not as efficient, their strength comes from downranked chain heal and windfury
>Mage
High DPS high mobility high CC class, squishy as fuck, but has all the tools nessisary to fight 1v2+ and win
>warlock
Aids and 5k shadowbolts, problem is you can't use your aids and 5k shadowbolts because you're as squishy as a mage with less viable CC, and because this is 1.12, your class defining ability is useless because it breaks from a stray fart.
>hunter
Farm materials everyone wants, yes they're a solo class, but they can be those autistic guys who brings all the food/potions/reagents to the group that no one else wanted to farm.

There's nothing wrong with reserving one piece of loot per dungeon if you're the guy making and leading the group.

On Nostalrius it was the only way I was able to gear up my rogue enough to get accepted by a raid guild.

We are getting there bros.

youtube.com/watch?v=DHEOF_rcND8

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If you ever played private you'd know mages rape warlocks and you only bring warlocks for curses

>starting a fresh server months before classic

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WArrior T3.
It’s my favorite.

People will just join LFR or LFD anyway

I give it 2 weeks before zoomers and boomers both stop playing old trash

classic is going to be shit, pal

Warriors never got a bad set From T1- T6, it alll looks practical and like a walking fortress

prove me wrong

Im pretty sure that blizzard will add tokens and instant 60lvl sooner or later considering that the servers will be empty in like 3+- months and people on the forum begging for 60lvl since leveling is too hard

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Warlock T3 is the best set change my mind

>a friendly neighborhood ret paladin
>join a group for dire maul looking for a tank and 1 dps
>look at the members
>dear god
>shadow priest
>fury warrior
>feral druid (not a tank one either)
>"hey can u heal", obviously they were hoping to try and pressure me into healing since the priest/druid dont want to
>warrior refuses to tank too
>instantly leave

trust me when i say the vanilla "community" is pure cancer, and always has been. anyone claiming otherwise is just wearing nostalgia goggles OR they only grouped with their already existing friends.

It really depends. If it’s “we need this gear so our tank/whatever has a chance of handling X” then fair enough.
If it’s cronies funnelling all the gear to each other then they can fuck off

Warriors tiers are always very good, my favorites are T6 and T3 and T7(25man).
But I wish we had an ungabunga retard barbarian set so I can show my luxurious burly and hairy chest when I get hit.

always had a thing for paladin t1 aka bananaknight

Is there any reason to even 40m these vanilla raids? Like won't guilds be 20 manning MC since that's all you really needed to clear and you'll have less loot to share?

Loot sharing, sharding

this will be a waterend down version of classic, I think I'll pass

>leveling is too hard
It's not. It never was. It's just a chore.

* loot trading

you can only 20m if that 20m has gear. if you're a fresh from the dungeon bitch nigga then you need all 40.

unless you're smart and bring 8 ret paladins, let them compound different ranks of crusader judgement then have them and holy priests spamming smite do a gorillion 1,500+ dps just in holy damage.

I mean you are correct, but to modern players it will be. After all now leveling items and such and they are used to kill everything in two hits and never eat/drink

just imagine the shitfit when they realize heirlooms aren't a thing in vanilla and they *gasp* might have to level without +500% xp

>He pugs mc
>He doesn't know that BIS for all of MC is from DM for all classes maybe except warrior.
Nice bait.

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I wanted those mage arcanist shoulders so god damn bad. 40 man raid lose the roll. I was not prepared to be that mad at a video game gave up all video games. I may go have to go deep on this game as an adult wasting endless hours into this while working from home.

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>LFG lvl 25 DPS warr/shaman/priest/any hybrid

nigga you dont even have 20 talent points yet now heal/tank you bitch

Yeah I can see the forums being filled with shit like

>"What the hell, you can only do one or two npc at max otherwise they kill you? Thats so slow!"
>"Why do I have to drink/eat after every two mobs? This is not fun"
>"Yeah, im not gonna play until they add level token or at least heirlooms items :/"
>"Lets make a petition to add them back! Blizzard will listen to the majority of players that want them back"
And shit like this

>level as holypal for FUN™
>lf tank bfd
>warrior priest pally mage

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>Blizzard will never give High Elves to the Alliance
The only thing that makes me respect them lmao

1 hunter is enough and it always drops

>they try pulling three social mobs

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How can little rogue bois even compete?

Join so you can get the achievement for finding another group next time.

>Human Warlock
>Dwarf Paladin
>Gnome Warrior
>Nightelf Priest

Is this the meme squad

>not running 6 Ret Paladins along with Disc-Priests for Judgement of Command holy dps.

Only if the paladin is an engineer

Druids have the most efficient healing spell in the game with Rank 4 healing touch. They can get close to top melee dps with powershifting cat and Manual Crowd Pummellers. Bears are amazing tanks thanks to their threat per second being higher than Warriors, which more than makes up for being hit slightly harder than Warriors. And finally Moonkin can actually do good dps, if you're willing to go total try-hard mode and farm mana pots and Dark Runes.

i could say the exact same thing about paladin, watch

paladins have the most efficient healing in the game with illumination, reaching the point where they literally cannot run oom. they can get to top melee dps abusing ironfoe spellpower build. they are amazing aoe tanks with their consecrate and reflection damage, and are practically necessary for whelp room and controlling adds in fights.

but the difference is that even though both of us are correct, no one will ever believe us because of the stigmatization against hybrids.

Eh, I reckon people will change their views in Classic. Not only are there a lot more resources out there showing hybrids pulling this stuff off, but you're going to see a hell of a lot of Druids and Paladins tanking dungeons on the way to 60. Why? Well because back in vanilla, Warriors were the go-to tank and everyone figured that was all they could do. Then some players figured out they could do serious damage in PvP with Mortal Strike and slow 2-handers, then much later in vanilla people figured out that Fury Warriors were actually the top melee DPS class. Point is, through most of vanilla Warriors were seen as Tanks, so players who rolled one did that. Nowdays, with all the videos out there of warriors in Naxx gear doing ridiculous DPS, Warrior is going to be the new Rogue in Classic, with countless people rolling them just to do damage. Which leaves more room for hybrid tanking, and once players have grouped with enough competent bear and Pally tanks, they'll come around.

>levelling a paladin
Do Alliancebabbies just love to suffer?

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>Paladin buffs are garbage compared to totems.
Delusional shaman. Not only are pally buffs higher than totems but they last 30 times longer, don't require the pally in the group and don't have a effective range of 3 feet. Know your place windfury bitch.

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thats literally a reason why classic is better than bfa you fucking moron

you can actually play solo late game and be competitive

you can grind r13
you can pug raids and not worry about finding a mythic guild
you can farm mobs for gold
you can solo opvp

all these stupid kids who were 12 acting like they know shit

And that's why you'll be nothing but a buff-bitch in every raid you do.

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Shut the fuck up and put on your healing robes

Scholo and strath were small raids before they changed them.

bet u fags didnt even raid ubrs for attument

Very viable if you are good, they are needed for kiting, pulling and tranq shots in pve, in pvp they are the best 1v1 class and while not as good as mages they are also amazing and multi-CCing, which is an essential skill in defending AB bases, annoying EFC in WSG and flag defense in AV, in other words they are also very wanted in premades.

But you gotta be good because the difference between a good hunter and an average-shit one is the same as going from beating everyone and keeping 5 people busy and just getting shat on by everyone in 2 seconds.

>best buffs in the game
>buff bitch
Uhh I guess, I played rogue. I'd rather have a pally buffs than windfury. It's not shamans do dps anyways.

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You guys are making me have second thoughts about rolling a Hunter

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What are you talking about? Even back then WoW was a single player game until you hit level 60.

>I'd rather take turns sucking one out of forty dicks every five minutes
That's the paladin mentality

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What about ZG and AQ20? We used to pug them all the time. We has a core group of 20 people who would clear them and then the rest of the guild would do it with mainly pugs, it was also a great way to test or find new recruits.

Those people are retarded senpai, they literally know nothing about the game.

Every class is viable, there are really no pugs for raids (40man) in vanilla, at least until guilds have cleared most of the content.

The most difficult thing about vanilla WoW is to find people who aren't braindead.

patched in 1.9 Cata baby get fucked

Man it actually triggers the shit out of me that blood elves say remember the sunwell

Sabaton are peak cringe.

people that hate on hunters are like ugly people that hate on chads cause they get everything

I'm sorry you have shit taste user.

>cringe cringe cringe
You're so cool for not liking things user

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I'm not really into them either but their singer has a neat and powerful voice.

There are no chads on Yea Forums

The buff bitch sucks my cock every 15 minutes, actually. They get put into place if they don't. Meanwhile you have juggle 4 cocks every 30 seconds.

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hes right only a cringe nerd losten to that crap

Do you know where you are, or would you rather be back on facebook where you belong?

speak for yourself faggot

Shut up and tranq shot.

>ventrilo
>winamp

based and boomerpilled

Except all that information, literally all of it, is available to anyone with five minutes to spare on googling.

grinding out r14 tauren Druid

then selling it ez money

How can I make the most defensive and best healing Pally?

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>rolling undead priest
>healing will finally be cool again
>no more of this assfaggot/class shooter faggotry where the support is a retarded bitch
can't wait. triage soothes my autism.

yea? and im on both thanks ugly nerd

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No one who even remotely resembles a chad would spend time on an anonymous video game board
Don't think you're better any of the other losers here

no you fag, that's half the point of vanilla. If you can't tag a mob just grind near it and you will end up levelling anyway. It teaches you that you have to grind anyway, like 55-60 is all about the grind. I spend hours grinding out in Darrowmere while watching shows. It taught me how to effectively do my rotation without thinking.

>MFW private server fags are getting ass blasted by devs and finding out most of the shit in private was wrong

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Hey sorry ur too ugly to be a chad

>chad cant be into nerd culture btw

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take the pvp redpill and dunk on people with hunter

Some pserver nerds did a Naxx40 world record clear recently. Raid comp:

12 Warriors
6 Rogues
6 Priests
5 Mages
5 Paladins
4 Warlocks
1 Hunter
1 Druid

Post progress raiders at their peak performance.

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Remember shit like this thing?
classicdb.ch/?item=8412
I miss thos nice items everyone's forgotten about, bros. How I miss them...

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>pserver
LOL

The fact that you could play it single player didn’t mean it was optimal or even advisable.

Human warlock it is

don't fucking roll that class, jerma.

I’m going to roll it

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>Had fun leveling Warrior
>But I kept getting ganked to death
>Think Rogue was fun
>But every other player is a Rogue
>Mage was Gold Town
>But >Mage
>Warlock sounds strong
>But I hate pets.

I'll be an orc hunter and have fun then.
Roll it!

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can't wait to roll through stormwind on my human mage, fuck gnomes, and fuck minmaxing

There was no reason to ever party unless you were doing dungeons. Dungeon content wasn't even for levels. It was for a few quests and gear you'd replace in a few levels anyway.

Or if you were an asshole and were twinking characters for BGs.

>current guild crumbling
>already have to use randoms for raiding
>my guild will die because classic

god HOW can you be hyped for 15 year old game that you already played? I don't understand this shit I'm a Wrath player (the best expansion) but I would never play such a dated shit like classic.

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/comfybros/ where we at? what will you be snacking on and drinking while sitting back and enjoying the clusterfuck of a release day this is going to be?

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nah hes the asshole in a party of 5 questing ganking 1 player

>LF TANK AND HEALER STRAT UNDEAD SIDE, CAPE RESERVED, FAST RUN - LINK GEAR!
>LF3M BRD DISCORD REQUIRED!
OMEGALUL

>elite quests
>steamroll normal quests
>can kill clumped social mobs easily
>safe from ganking
>can easily whip up a group for an impromptu dungeon
>can gank someone for the fun of it if you get bored
Two man Grouping was the patrician method of levelling

>Wrath
>Good

The downhill started from there.

classicdb.ch/?item=1404

Remember this? I think it was nerfed in TBC

(you)

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>niche trinkets being a thing
AAAAH I WANT IT TO BE SUMMER ALREADY

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>unironically being a wrath babby
Literally the worst place to start. You see the faint glimmer of what it used to be, and had a front seat for all the rape that was to come.

based and lightpilled

Wrath was when the rot set in, but as much as I love the expansion, it was TBC that introduced the features that would later kill the game.
I just enjoyed them in the initial implementation because they bothered to work them in decently.

>avoid streamers servers
>avoid top populated servers

All problem solved.

>avoid streamer servers
>not mercilessly griefing them from both sides

Me and 2 friends need help on what classes to play. We want 2 dps one healer.
For healer we want priest or sham.
For dps we want lock, mage, warrior, or hunter.
Any ideas for a solid 3 man team?

TBC was WoW at it's peak, it introduced excellent QoL improvements, had excellent raiding, good PVP that was not a timesink, you can argue that flying mounts killed outworld pvp but I don't think that's the case at all. I ganked more people than ever in TBC.

>fastrun
>gearcheck
>item locked

i will have the time of my life sabotaging those retail cucks for my funsies

haha you loser play classic with the bulls.

Shaman, warrior and warlock.

>gear you'd replace in a few levels
A lot of dungeon loot in vanilla could last you a straight 10 levels. Well worth it especially when you stock up on dungeon quests.

>LFM MC OI DOOPMD JDIJHZ LGBT SOIIDP KKK SQPF DEJEPL DPADP +45FDD RET BOES RES BUENOS AIRES

What's this gibberish ?

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y/n?

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Autistic minmaxers think every raid will be ideal and their guild will obviously be the best one with nobody ever being away on raid nights, but they'll change their minds when they have 5 warriors and 7 mages for dps.

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Sham
Mage for drinks and food also good CC
Lock for summons, pets, stones

>from NA
Try central and south America. Those mouth breathing jungle niggers shit up every NA server group.

yfw Blizzard doesnt allow windfury to proc infinitly

I really enjoyed TBCs attunement system.
Heroics were a good stepping stone that acclimatised new people to raid standards (I.e the importance of CC, and how you can’t just facetank a rogue elite if you overaggro) and their revered requirement meant people still had to do their share of dungeons first, which would automatically gear them unless they had truly shit luck.
The step to raid via heroic quests was well done; it meant that anyone doing them at least had the requisite brainpower, and probably had the gear or a good enough guild to power through.
It was a good balance of gatekeeping casuals while reducing busywork, which wrath promptly ruined with the meer fact of non attunement raiding and honoured heroic requirement

dont get a druid for a healer, they only have a combat res
for dps the most useful ones are mage, warlock and warrior for optional tanking. maybe rogue for lockpicking

>prot pvp
go back to wrath

>LFM BRD Emp Runs
>Ironfoe, HoJ reserved

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You're free to not join that and look for or create your own group.
They need specific help from people who don't need those items, if you don't qualify or you're not interested, nobody is forcing you to join

>fear
>breaks from a stray fart
why the fuck you lyin'? oh my god, stop fuckin lyin'

I really just want to Pvp with a sword and shield

>prot pvp which is only useable for flag running doesn't even go for piercing howl

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user, most streamers will use pve servers anyway lmao

>weapons default to the main tank.
>MT gets 2h weapons
huh?

>Level 55 Rogue

>Saving Princess
That's a yikes from me, dog.

I like and dislike how intensive certain packs of mobs were in brd and ST (when leveling). It went from easy to insane pretty quick. I've yet to have a smooth ST or BRD run to this day.

enjoying losing every time

>t. never got a warrior to 30
>t. never leveled in STV on a pvp server
>t. never did the north half of redridge or morladim or stromgard or jintha alor

>LFM BRD full run!
>tank is Lv.53

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There really wasn't much a reason to keep Moira alive, especially since the healer was going to want some of the healing gear. Can't for the life of me remember what the rewards were for keeping her alive.

>he doesn’t know how to grief PvE players
Just activate PvP and stand near them. Or have a friend activate PvP and buff them, hoping the reciprocate and get flagged

MotW is vital and if you only have one druid, expect your downtime to last 2-3x as long every time. But yeah if you or a buddy are the one rolling a healer go with literally anything else unless you're already part of a guild that needs a druid and you have the autism to actually do your research to keep up with the real healers.

Everyone will be cleraring the content no probs the vanilla boss fights have brain dead mechanics
WoW peaked in MoP

Warrior
Mage
Shaman

not even a contest. Warrior can tank, Shaman can heal, Mage is best 5man CC and also one of the top DPS, and can make you all drinks. Grab any 2 randos and you have a group ready.

>next to no vidya to play until classic
the wait is killing me

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The ring from saving her is pre-bis for healers on private servers, isn't it? Granted they'll only need to do it once, but would have to kill her a bunch for the gloves or whatever, too.

Don't worry, as a hunter you get to argue against every single other class over gear drops because you can find a use for every stat, agility, intelligence and strength are all useful to you and so is anything from cloth to mail.

You don't need to argue about anything as long as you have more than 1 brain cell and understand loot priorities.

>roll warrior
>form group with non-plates for dungeons
>all plate, str and 2hs are mine
nothin personnel kidd

let my paladin in

LET ME IN!

>lose zinrok to warrior who's next in line for asscandy
>it drops next nef kill
nothin personnel kid

>loot priorities

Goes out the window when you're missing your tranq shots and being a retard for the third week running.

aren't cloth items BiS for paladins healing anyways?

Yeah but you don't start gathering that shit till Lv.50 or so

Still need plate dps stuff to level up 40-51ish

oh, then you can make your own dungeon group then

Who's getting ass blasted exactly? It's fucking great to be looking forward to a version with everything working correctly.

>replacing triprunner dungarees
>ever
Nice try newfag.

ye easy to clear but the difference is in the amount of wipes before clearing a boss

>shaman
>heal
No bro

He is your tank now

It peaked in WotLK, it continental shelfed in MoP

Yup. I don't think the Princess drops much for other classes apart from the BiS gloves for healers. Maybe some minor upgrade for someone. The quest-reward is pretty good until Dire Maul gets released.

What's bizarre is that BRD is that the bosses are 59, which means potentially a group should be able to reach it at 57+, but even at 60 with decent gear it's hard.

>it's another "the leveling warrior joins as a dps and pretends he doesn't have a shield" episode

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This.

People don't realize that the true challenge of Vanilla raiding is not getting the perfect comp / specs / skill.

The true challenge is managing a guild of 50+ people, get them to raid on schedule, handle dramas between guildmates, handle loot drama, handle people that will leave and replace them through recruitment, get people to help with crafting and consumables.

Can't wait to see these "min max" retail guild fall apart because players (often main tanks) leave to a better guild after dying all night.

>everyone is sitting in MC waiting for raid to start
>go first person mode
>zoom in on a tauren's face
>SO CUTE!!
>Tauren starts crafting coming
>EVEN MORE CUTE!
anyone else do this?

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What’s the best warlock levelling build, lads? I’m torn between destruction and demonology, with alchemy as a profession.

So are you a tranny or a roastie?

>crafting coming
what

EMBRACE DESTRUCTION
ONESHOT THE PEASANTS WITH DEMONIC HELLFIRE

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Destruction down to Ruin and then go into either SM or DS/Ruin

> LFM WHISPER RETAIL CHARACTER AND ACHIEVEMENTS
why do you retards think it will be the same?

>retailbabby thinks achievements hold any value anywhere outside of his skinner box loot threadmill simulator
lmaoing@u

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>leveling warrior tries to tank
>fails
>cries, gets kicked and blacklisted
Such is life of Classic.

>tfw I picked BFA because I couldn't wait Classic
>Stopped levelling and now only run through old Vanilla raid for fun

>misses the whole point

lol @ retard

>Still trying to shill this dead on arrival garbage
lmao

Good thing he's still in WoW and not real life, then.

>he thinks retail boys wont play classic and do this

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Nice argument and point made, I can tell you're an intelligent individual.

>classic and nu-wow are the same game
>implying the game won't be full of boomers who quit midway through wotlk

>Blizzard will keep merged servers for Classic and thus ruin the whole thing
Can't wait to see them fuck this one up.

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>he thinks retailtards will get past level 20

lmao

>he thinks classic is hard

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>Another episode of some dimwit warriors claims he's tank just because he has a shield
>Blames healer for being OOM / not being able to heal enough spamming most efficient HPS
I fucking hate or love PUG warriors so much.

t. never go past lvl 20

kek

im sure u remember being 12 in classic

It's not "hard", it's just not geared towards the current MMO market saturated with fast paced ADHD endorphin pumps based on 15+ years of trial and error.

Thanks m8s

They'll get whirred by lack of “QoL” elements before they hit 20.

I've never played WoW and I'm curious. I now have the cash and time to jump in.
Where do I start?

Classic or retail?
Horde or alliance?
Are there beginner friendly guilds?

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why are all the other tier sets so shit compared to T2

>my vanilla guild often needed 5-10 people to fill up the

That would've been fucking awful.
Top tier raids in vanilla needed a shitton of coordination with the number of people involved.

>>Playing classic for the vanilla raids that are piss easy and have been solved for more than a decade

Knowing the raid mechanics and the fights is one thing, actually being able to complete them successfully with a 40 man raid is another thing entirely.

>>Tank keeps missing and losing agro
>>"Sry, haven't levelled my 1h skill"

We're going home bros

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DPS WARRIOR: LF1M TANK
TANK WARRIOR: LF1M NO MAIL USERS LEGGINGS OF FANG RESERVED
can't wait

It's the least fun but affliction/demo is easily the strongest.

Retail is more like an action mmorpg, social interactions don't exist and the game is fucked on multiple levels at the moment

Vanilla is an old school mmorpg experience, you're rewarded for social interactions and they are a must for most of the content.

You play vanilla for free right now on a private server or spend $60+ on a less than mediocre experience.

Classic. Faction doesn't matter, choose whichever aesthetic interests you the most. There will undoubtedly be a billion casual, beginner-friendly guilds and the game is so old you can look up anything you may have questions about anyway.

>action mmorpg
it's a shit action mmorpg tab combating is too garbage.

The imperfections were only a "charm" for the people that didn't roll Druid/Paladin/Shaman. For them these imperfections were massive fucking mistakes that should be corrected.

>play on pve server
>twitch tards and their gang dab on you and get scarab lord

>play on pvp server
>nolife boomer with tons of private server experience oneshots you constantly

Why is PvP still the best option for Classic?

wha class should i go boys

I didn't play most of the expansions, I don't own a WoW account anymore. I'm okay with buying classic/paying a monthly fee but will Blizzard cuck me into buying all the expansions or something if I want to play Classic? Did they say anything on that?

Human Warlock bro

I like classic druid more than retail ever since they gave shapeshifting a global cooldown.

Yes, you need to buy all the expansions to play Classic WoW and pay a monthly fee.

They said all you need is a sub.

item reservation is a cancer that is going to move from the privs to vanilla and is going to be one of the main issues

>playing warlock as alliance
Enjoy the WotF spam from the 99% undead pvp population

Item reservation was always a thing.

What's the best race to warlock as?

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it's much more common now he's right, enjoy everything being ressed

Orc. Stun resist will help you way more than wotf.

>Classic or retail?
Wait for Classic. Retail is beyond fucked and can hardly be called a MMO anymore. The game is a shell of its former self, barely recognizable instant gratification simulator treating its players like drooling retards, with a perplexing focus on its awful, awful writing. All classes are beyond terrible and feel like shit to play. Don't get into it, it's just not worth it. Pick up FFXIV if you want a generic themepark MMO to play while waiting, at least it has a nice story and great music.
>Horde or alliance?
Whichever appeals to you the most! I'm partial to the Horde myself. Check out the races and see the one you'd like to play as.
>Are there beginner friendly guilds?
You can bet there'll be a ton of those in Classic.

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>run the same dungeon 50 times looking for one item
>forced to risk rolling it to a pugger when it finally drops

fuck off. do it the way a real man does, and offer to not roll on any loot except one or two things you specifically want. win/win.

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>vanilla rogue
>has to spam 500 skills

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Bitch if I'm either tanking or leading the group then I am reserving the item(s) I want because at least I put in effort while you blindly spam your abilities to get the biggest e-peen.

HUMAN
WARLOCK

It was always common.

Yeah the concept always existed but it wasnt so prevalent as it is on the priv communities. Wont effect me but it will be one of the biggest detractors from the experience.

So how? I've heard that some of the expansions are free now, some are not, I'm not interested in any content except vanilla, how would I go around obtaining a sub, buy BFA?

fuck no, there's a basic version you can sub to that's at like, WoD or something. Don't buy xpacs.

It happens more now

Thanks for the help

You don't have to buy any expansions, classic doesn't even have a box price, literally just an active sub.

Those go to OTs for fights where you dont need them. Shit our last OT was the guy with nightfall usually

The base game and all expansions up to the last one, Legion, are free. Just make an account and subscribe.

Guys any tips on what to class to roll for in Vanilla?
I leveled a Warrior to 60, and thought it was fun, but I kept getting Ganked to death.
Mage and Rogue were fun (til 30-ish) but I feel everyone and their mothers will play it.
I kinda wanna play Warlock, but I HATE Pet classes in MMOs, and in this one the controls are wanky and stupid to use.

just play without your pet.
ez

Can't wait to taste your delicious larper tears while i'm raping you in stunlock.

I believe you.

Shaman is the way to go. Sure, you'll have to heal in raids but that's only like one day per week. For the rest of the week you can destroy everyone in PvP as Enhancement.

unironically one of the best warlock specs in vanilla was about killing your demon and playing without one.

but doesn't he have to pay 50g per respec to do this user?

>enhancement
>not popping 2 caster trinkets, nature's swiftness, elemental mastery, and instant casting chain lightning to one shot 3 paeple at the same time with lightning overload

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Oh I can do that on raids? Huh, sounds fun. May try it on a Private Server a few levels to check it out
Ok, call me RetailFag or whatever (Even though I'm not), but I really hate how in Vanilla WoW you can't really play more than one spec for half the classes in the game. I like alternating between DPS and Tank from time to time, but Warrior being the only class I can realistically do that sucks.

Human Warlock

You can get rich via professions or alts. Hell, if you make a Hunter on the side you can farm Dire Maul for big cash.

>Elemental
Oh yeah, you can insta-kill 3 people every third minute or so, but as Enhancement you can kill even more than that during a three minute period.

That's why you have a mage, hunter, or rogue alt to farm money on. You're already gonna be farming shitloads of gold for raiding, another 100g a week on one of those classes is nothing.

NS
EM
Pick one

> bfa babbies
> playing for 10 years

do you see how that add up?

>but as Enhancement you can kill even more than that during a three minute period.
Why dont you say that to my face and not 30 yards away getting kited for the 5th life this 3 minutes

Hah, then your guild was shit.

Because we're on the same team? Get your shit together, mate.

>priest with no raidframes
>not even the ingame ones that you don't need a mod for
you guys has no idea what you were doing

>level enchant and hunter farm DM

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Honestly i like enh pvp but pom-pyro styled builds are more fun for me. I like that theres always a chance to accidently blast someone 100-0 between windfury and crits but getting kited was the worst.

If you want pvp go play CoD or fighting games or for honor or any other fucking multiplayer game and stop putting your I NEED TO KILL EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE FOR VALIDATION autism in to my games.

It’s difficult but it can be done. I played with friends in retail vanilla. Still managed to get a druid to 60 on a straight vanilla private sever about a year ago alone aside from doing instances so that I wasn’t in trash gear. Even so I got most of my gear from boe selling shit on the AH.

You sound like a 14 year old

Paladin or shaman.

I want to pvp.

Fuck niggers

Best class for a farmer alt and suggested prof combos?
I want to do goofy hybrid stuff but the bottom line has made me scared to do it. I wouldn't mind healing in raids and going balance boomkin in PVp or going shadow priest.

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What the fuck is sharding?

If theres too many people in an area the area gets split into different instances to reduce polulation density. So far its only going to be in starting zones and only for the first weeks of the game due to an anticipated flood of players.

Makes me think he’s talking about TBC. Shaman were cloth wreckers in vanilla with windfury, the unstoppable force and a good strength/agility set.

Find a guild early if you want to play with non-shitters. Be prepared to put in 120% effort to reach 80% efficiency of other dps classes.
You'll shit on people in PvP though, so there's always that.

Fuck that shit. Also I highly doubt it will be taken out after a few weeks.

be in pvp gear

This was a question, by the way. Opinions?

Dunno most optimum thing for alts, since professions like alchemy, tailoring, enchanting, etc can make bank if you work at getting the right recipes, but on your main there's no reason to level up anything other than herbalism and mining. If you plan on being an engineer, you can save up the materials from mining on a bank alt and sell the rest. Same idea with tailoring and alchemy. You miss out on being able to craft minor upgrades while leveling but you gain the ability to not be a broke ass bitch who can't afford a mount when you hit 40.

Best class for a farmer alt depends on what kind of rebalancing blizzard does or shortcuts they take. Hunter's a safe bet since it's easy, and fast to level.

It only matters for bleeding edge content. My guild took 5-6 for most raids, and had 2-3 sit out for naxx. We didn't get very far, but we got farther than any other guild on our server.

Wrong, it usually just needed everyone knowing what the two things are they have to look out for while doing their jobs and 40 people let alot of room for retardation to happen.
You can't even fathom how often we wiped thanks to scarabs going apeshit during the Twin Emperors in AQ40 because in the course of the 15 minute fight one melee dickhead always managed to hit one of Scarabs when it was said a million times to only, and really fucking only, hit the Emperors.

Effiency culture will "ruin" high-end content and
Yea Forums will complain that the game is stale.

I hope that the minmaxing fags that do that will get burnt out quick and leave 2 months in.

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>Hell, if you make a Hunter on the side you can farm Dire Maul for big cash.
Its already nerfed in 1.12. i was going to do the same thing but they hotfixed it in 1.9 so that you cant kite the king around without the advisor anymore

My guild got up to four horseman before the release of TBC. Getting the necessary geared tanks for that shit was awful. When you get to Outland and the first greens are outpacing 40 man gear right off the bat, that was a serious “fuck it” moment. You’re back to looking like a goddamn clown by the time you’re in nagrand or earlier.

Yeah I don't think it'll actually end up the same as on retail because the raiding endgame of vanilla takes so much longer to see any rewards. Those types of people will either lose interest or not have the drive to manage a 40-man group with such strict rules when they end up going months without a single drop.

>don't like the concept of reserved loot
>be tank
>see DPS trying to form group with reserved loot
>start my own group with blackjack and hookers
>filled nearly instantly
>have nice run, get some new loot, have fun
>reserved loot group still trying to find members after mine exits dungeon
This was my private server experience and I loved it. The social aspects of the game help keep the autists in line.

>I will not move when Flame Wreath is cast
Retards gonna retard. All you had to do was STAND FUCKING STILL and they still fucked it up. Just imagine the fun 40 man Shade of Aran could be. It would literally be impossible to bring NE hunters.

yep
i really miss that
>gather some group of newfags
>walk to dungeon by hostile territory
>have no idea what its going on, get ass kicked but preserve
>all newfags are now bros and plan more dungeons in future
vs
>instant lfg
>nobody talk
>its just quick quick
>never see them again

This. We're at a different time now. 2010 LoL was a different game, in which people like us could easily stand out because we have more than half a brain, unlike most shitters. 0 research required to get top performance. Endless fun. Same for vanilla WoW, same for 2005 DotA, etc.

Online gaming has changed.

Retarded private server larper. T3 set boni were carried to 70.

Of course it was able to fill up and fire before his.
>Hey guys lfm for a dungeon
>btw Im calling dibs on what is likely the only reason to come here for 70% of those interested in coming
Its never reserving something like a healer mace or a shield its always leather, trinkets and agi/str 1h weapons.

That was my experience the last time I played retail and it put the nail in the coffin for me. If blizzard pulls that server merged, global LFG shit for classic it is dead on arrival.

the minmaxing fags have been doing this for years across multiple servers
it's going to be worse, as these will be the people running your ubrs/zg/aq20/mc pugs and their either going to be reserved runs or gbid without a raid spilt

So true, i wish it was just f2p if ya own it cause i just want to play a few hours on a Saturday night, and forgot it for a month. I have a token in my bag but i don't even want to use thay for the few hours id play.

Yeah, you'd think that would be obvious but those same shitters would whisper me asking if I could tank, then act shocked when I (politely) refused because I don't run with reserved loot groups. It's like they couldn't grasp the concept that other players aren't there for their convenience.

>tfw Classic will be the same shit with people actually blacklisting you if you make a mistake

OR THE RAID
BLOWS
UP

>gbid without a raid spilt
WAIT WHO GETS THE MONEY?

lfg might be bad in itself but cross realms was just TERRIBLE

>zg/aq20/mc pug
Why would you ever join these? I don't care what pug faggots do.

this was my private server experience
>nobody talk
>its just quick quick
>never see them again

Paladin or shaman for world pvp?

the raid lead ofc
and don't think people won't join them

STOP POSTING THIS THREAD ALREADY I ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT CLASSIC COMMING OUT SOON TO EASE THE WAITING AND THEN I SEE THIS

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with LFG or not?

Roll a Dwarf Paladin bro

Vanilla druid and shaman were 10x more fun than any of their incarnations post-MoP. Haven't played Paladin though so I couldnt tell you.

Did you play inconsistently or not talk much yourself? My experience was quite different but that's probably because I'm a bit of a chatterbox and always played around the same time so I saw the same people pretty often and kept pace with them as we leveled.

oh so your actually looking to raid? In this case these are your recruitment officers for any guild that makes it past vael, have fun.

Did they nerf killing lasher packs in DM as a mage and gathering herbs there? Or sneaking through and mining those thorium veins at the end as a rogue?

Alright one thing to clarify here, the cross realm thing is called LFD, LFG is the TBC group finder.
I use LFG chat on a vanilla server.
I talked but no one really wanted to talk and I don't think I played inconsistently for the most part it seems like pserver players only cared about speed leveling to max level, but that's just my experience.

Its why I plan on playing a caster this time around. I never really saw anyone trying to reserve caster gear at the frequency I see warriors?rogues reserving hand or ironfoe or literally anything in every dungeon being run

>strath/scholomance/urbs
>raids
if its not 40man is not a raid

>hurr durr retards will try to gear in pugs, but the same retards will also be the top tier raid honchos
Make up your mind. Giving shit to the MT, RL, GL and respective GF is nothing new and that's why you raid with DKP.

He didn't say they were outpacing Naxx gear, just 40 man gear in general. Virtually nobody had Naxx on farm for long enough to deck out 40 people in gear that would last them halfway to 70 because TBC came out so quickly after Naxx was launched. Plenty of BWL and lower gear gets replaced by the time you hit Zangarmarsh. Some AQ stuff as well.

This fight was probably made by the devs JUST to punish those absolute retards who keep shuffling around like druggies with ants coming out of their ass while playing WoW for absolutely no reason, EVEN IN PVE.

ah yes my bad

The retail doomsayer cope is just too funny to miss though.
You can taste the delicious desperation in every retarded scenario they come up with.

Reminder pvp servers are stupid and a waste of time.

>tfw hunter
>mail shit is never reserved
>everything else is hunter gear

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you guys are memeing but there are some legit problems with classic. It has GM functions based off of nu-wow.

Loot trading - can trade with anyone in the group any boe within a few hours of receiving it. In nu-wow this works because of personal loot. In classic any class can roll need on any item. So loot trading will encourage guildies to roll need on items their friends need so they can trade it to them.

Right click reporting and AUTOMATED bans. This doesnt even work well in nu-wow that has minimal community interaction but in classic it will be a nightmare. imagine going for high warlord and an entire enemy premade reports you so you get a temporary ban until some blizzard employee can inspect whats going on.
Imagine getting muted because someone doesnt like you and got their friends to all report you so now you cant use trade chat or look for groups. No looking for group tool so you basically cant play the game unless its to solo farm or with guild.

then dont play on a pvp server you stupid faggot

>blizzard releases classic and then goes back in time to an age before they know they fucked up and tries to patch the game right
Would be amazing, but they'll still find some way to fuck it up.

reminder pvp is fun and world pvp is infinitely more satisfying than battlegrounds

That fight’s reputation had me absolutely shitting bricks when I was heading up for it, only to find it was an absolute cakewalk because my guildies weren’t absolute retards. Most hadn’t even played it before and could figure it out.

I really don't get that mentality
PvP is half the reason I'm resubbing

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try to gear in pugs != organize a pug where you either reserved the loot you need or make thousands off of gbid
If more efficient to organize pugs where heart and cloak of consumption are reserved than run guild zg
>DKP
lmao

World PvP on a pvp server consists of nothing but getting jumped at low health after killing several mobs or getting ganked by some fags 40 levels higher than you.

Nah not your bad i only made the distinction because i was slightly confused. Most people just call it LFG because it was called that until they added cross server and renamed it to just dungeon finder.
But i agree with you classic is 100% dead if they put in dungeon finder.
I remember having a great time in vanilla and seeing people but dungeon finder took all of that away.
People would kick others for no reason at the drop of hat because they were easy to replace, you could write anything and they'd just be robots and auto click yes.
What's worst is people would often act like dicks and before anyone else could, start a kick on someone else and these robots would just press YES and kick the innocent healer who did nothing, or they just go AFK and force you to kick them so they don't get a leaver buff, its all really silly stuff.

If classic implements that, it dies. Simple as that. If they don’t get that, then i’ll be sad to see it go, but it will.

I get why people do it but they should be prepared to accept the reputation that comes with it. Honestly that's what made me fall in love with Vanilla. MMOs these days are devoid of social consequences, so everyone treats each other like replaceable NPCs and that really irks me. Being able to build a good reputation is such a satisfying feeling and I loved helping lower level players and then having them catch up to me and assist me in turn.

We're going home boys.

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It really is a completely different mentality. Blizzard should have made duplicate forums so PvP minded people and PvE minded people could talk about different things. Its so jarring to see two people arguing about wether or not somthing was a good addition to the game (like flying mounts) and see them both arguing from different perspectives but unable to see from where do to them both playing the same game with completely different rules.

This faggot bragged about going up against 4 horsemen. You won't even clear any of the other wings, if your raid isn't somewhat decked out in proper Naxx shit. We are not talking about a guild that went to Anub with 2.0. Don't try to backpeddle on this. If you ran 4HM you could easily breeze through outland, randomly picking up upgrades for your gear and then start seriously replacing stuff when you got to do your heroic keys.

If they’re smart they’ll use the TBC notice board system.
That was the best balance of QoL while retaining socialisation.

>do a pug
>x weapon drops
>you need it
>healer needs it
>his 3 friends needs it
>"sorry our friend really needs the upgrade :^]"
>say anything about it 4 people report you
ahahahaha it's gona be great

I actually thought for a while about trying to be the server cat druid but I dont think Ill have the time to invest or be able to stop being such a cunt to people. Looks like Ill be that asshole lock blasting quest hubs in alliance leveling zones

this is mainly because most caster gear from dungeons sucks desu, but yeah the only thing you ever see reserved in briarwood reed and that's still uncommon

I've played exclusively on pvp servers for the past decade and a half, this is completely false.

>he wants to play on a twitchtard pve server
Fuck off

>Want to play an Undead shadowpriest
>Want to play a Human Paladin
>Want to play a Dwarf Hunter
>Want to play an Orc Shaman

Fuuuuck which one first

dwarf warrior or night elf boomkin?

I’m gonna fucking rage so hard at having to join 300 discord servers or else I can’t run. I fucking hate voice chat with other because every joke about it comes true. It’s bong noises and children crying and me yelling at these people to turn on push to talk or to kill their fucking baby for some silence

And see, that's your right to, and the other half of the social fun. Some people love being the heroes of their faction, and some love being the antichrist of the enemy one. Deep down inside, every Rogue wanted to be Angwe. The small, contained server populations of old are what allowed people to earn reputations like that and I really hope it's still true for Classic.

>If you ran 4HM
He didn't "run" 4 horsemen, he "got up to four horseman." But you're probably right, I never really made it past the first boss or two in each wing so I don't know what it took to get there.

Dwarf Hunter, so you can speedlevel and start farming

That and the fact melee specs get so much more out of their gear than casters do>Deep down inside, every Rogue wanted to be Angwe
I literally never heard of him until someone accused me of trying to be him. I just want to Wpvp and nothing brings the shitters out like blowing up astranaar

Definitely
Even just on overworld enemies they're in for a rude awakening, and many of the dungeons you can't even approach the entrance to without a full party.

I think that's what I want to see the most, nu-wow fags getting their shit pushed in by even the most trivial of content in classic.
The forums are going to be aflood with retail tears.

No, you do them in order of how tedious they are. If you level a hunter first and then do a paladin and priest next, you're going to fucking kill yourself

well unsubbed then

What do you think of my plan?

>Roll nelf or troll Hunter
>Mining and skinning
>Send all ore and stones to bank alt, AH leather
>At 40, drop skinning and mining, pick up engineering, pick up herbalism, I should have enough mats to at least make iron grenades n shit for world PvP
>Get to 60, farm DM for loadsomoney, pick herbs for even more
>Buy mats to power level engineering
>Make warrior or rogue alt twink that I can pimp out with gold
>Shit on people in AV and world PvP

What do you all think? I'd rather be a Hunter than a mage, and I've already leveled warlock to 60.

Why take skinning instead of herbalism from the start? It's worth more money late-game so having it available sooner will let you just buy all the leather you need.

>not playing with children
>forgetting about undead rogues and undead in general