>EU Luke Skywalker >handsome, strapping man who worked tirelessly running the Jedi temple. Lucasarts obviously took great care and respect keeping his character faithful to the franchise
>The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker >geriatric old coward who hides from his friends and refuses to train another Jedi after a single student mishap, completely out of his character, went so far as to burn the old Jedi texts and finally kills himself because the future of the Jedi is supposed to be female
Did you miss the EU? Post your favorite memories from the EU Star Wars games
I still can't believe he fucked up on one student and abandoned everything He didn't give up on saving Vader and that was pretty much the baddest dude in the universe aside from the emperor
I liked Kyle because he was the only damn person who realized that you could use the coolest force power (force lightning) without turning into a stupid morally bankrupt edgelord
Isaac White
>Did you miss the EU? there was good stuff here and there, but im mostly disappointed and a little amazed at how a company with unlimited money like disney ran star wars into the ground so quickly. the movies are just abysmal and they sold the video games part to a company that has cancelled more games than they have released.
Julian Richardson
I'll beat you back to Jedi Academy.
Sebastian Ortiz
Director wanted to tell his own story with his own OCs and felt that they wouldn't get a chance to shine with Luke around. So he ruined the character and killed him off for good measure.
Eli Perry
Can you hear the music from this image as well?
Is the nig gay or is Keanu just an incel?
Cooper Phillips
maybe you could be redeemed what type of saber you use single, dual or staff
Leo Morris
Im so angry about this. Mark deserved better, and so did luke
Carter Harris
Just treat mouse wars as fanfics.
Elijah Hughes
Double-bladed. I'd have been adamant about that when I was younger, but really, a lightsaber is a lightsaber, I'm not gonna turn one down. Unless it's a whip or some dumb shit.
EU was mostly utter shit. The new Star Wars products and especially lack of good Star Wars games have made me pretty much realize that may I never even liked Star Wars itself that much, I just absolutely loved the games Lucasarts published as a kid.
Single-blade is for the patricians, the rest is gay.
Angel Murphy
Don’t use words you don’t understand. He has meaningful character flaws; by definition he’s not a Sue.
Nolan Wilson
you can do that without taking a fat nutty ogre shit on the series. everyone expected luke to die either by obi-wanning or yoda-ing himself. instead he dies in a cave after having a pretend battle with a villian who loses his temper and has to go slash his saber in a closet every 20 minutes.
Dylan Johnson
Apparentely there are more than 2 Super star destroyers. And not even counting the Eclipse.
Landon Lee
You have been looking at the wrong pieces of EU then if you think that.
Asher Garcia
This. But the reason why he is so overpowered is so that he can make the player feel as powerful as him. Same goes for Starkiller. From a story perspective, they are both gigantic Gary Stus that are even bigger Gary Stus than Rey could ever hope to be (and I actually like all of the characters I just mentioned).
Dual.
I did love some products from the Legends EU but most of them were shit. The games were awesome, though. Disney canon is the exact opposite, the novels and comics are mostly great but the video games are now absolute shit.
Hudson Nelson
good good ree
Matthew Cruz
People may hate Lucas for the prequels. But under him we got like dozens and dozens of kino star wars games. Under Disney we got fucking SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT.
Joseph Gonzalez
I prefer those asspulls to whatever was Didney doing during the last 6 years with both the EU and the official canon (but considering the new rules might as well call it canon because right now or it is canon or it doesn't get approved by nuLucasfilms, there is nothing in between).
David Allen
There's no really good storybased lit outside of the Thrawn trilogy.
Games are all super hit and miss and never should've had an impact on lore because if a player gets to do anything then it really throws logic out the window. >tfw play tie fighter >camp far end of arcade mission and spend 89 hours blowing up 78,000 x-wings >it's now canon
Austin Howard
I like that the Darth big guy series pointed out how single hilts were objectively better, with the only reason staffs or dual wielding was even a thing was because the wielders banker on people not knowing that
Jaxson Bennett
I love how retards use this "EU WAS SHIT" excuse like disneywars shit has been better, or as if they haven't adopted some of the worst shit from the EU.
Tyler Phillips
I've never read Dark Empire, but I loved The Siege of Mon Calamari in Rogue Squadron.
Gavin Cooper
>Noooo it's bad because Luke didn't become a God who could force pull down Deathstars and take on 600 sith lords at once
Nothing about Luke or is his story indicates he is meant to be the God of all Jedi. He fulfilled his purpose.
Benjamin Fisher
what the fuck we don't want luke to become a god
Adrian Cooper
i hate both eu and disneyshit both are different flavors of franchise rape
Aaron Wright
>so he ruined the old characters and his new OCs as well master plan
it was actually really inconsistent, one minute he was a nothin personnel who could teleport and kill a million stormtroopers by flicking his wrist at them, other times he was too stupid to even know how his lightsaber worked
Connor Wood
>EU Luke >gets a hot wife and passes on his seed to create a lineage of powerful jedi
>TLJ Luke >dies alone a virgin without acomplishing anything EU Luke is a Gary Stu but holy shit TLJ didn't deserve that
Lincoln Hill
>no plot threads hanging >no characters left that anyone cares about (except Lando who's going to definitely die in IX) What could possibly go wrong?
Jace Diaz
So like in the old EU before the prequels came out did anyone make stories about shit like the clone wars before anyone knew what they really were or did George ban people from writing prequels?
Charles Perez
Cite the books you think this occurred in. I hear this all the time, but never see any actual sources
Michael Jenkins
The Thrawn books refer to the clone wars that never happened. I don't remember the specifics but it's quite a bit different than what the movies were. What I do remember is that it's a plot point that clones go mad if they're grown too quickly.
Hey man plebeian can turn into patrician if it gets cut in half like we see with darth maul you're just in your first form
Lincoln Williams
>Mark deserved better, and so did Luke This is why I'll never forgive Disney. I understood that nu-Star Wars wasn't gonna be for me, and that it would gradually devolve into your standard Disney tripe, and I was fine with that. All they had to was treat the character with some respect and give Hamill his time in the lime light. Somehow that was too much too ask.
Luke's betrayal honestly didn't bother me so much, the execution was okay with him losing his way solely because he tried to follow the doctrines of the Jedi Order that initially caused them to fall in the first place. It showed that Luke from Return of the Jedi truly was the pinnacle of what it means to be a force user and is stronger than the concept of a Jedi, he became it. It's killing him off after making a glorious comeback from his fall from grace that fucking ruined everything.
Nathaniel Ross
I really respected mark in that movie. Despite playing a terrible character in a movie he clearly hated every second of, he gave a stellar and professional performance
Liam Sanchez
Maybe that's why 9 is gonna take place a year after 8
Leo Perry
>pinnacle of his character in RoTJ was rejecting Yoda and Obi-Wan’s insistence to kill Vader >the logical step would be to promptly adhere to Jedi Dogma that he had no way of knowing That makes no goddamn sense and you know it
Where do you stand on curved handles like Dooku's? Because I always loved that shit as a kid.
Joseph Martinez
>have multimedia franchise that is worth billions >destroy it all irreversably within just two hours SW was damaged before thanks to the mouse but Rain really drove the last nail in the coffin with TLJ.
Ryder Ross
the sign of a master duelist do not expect to beat them 1v1 in a saber only fight
Robert Powell
>> Yeah it is really flawed in execution I have to admit it. It especially doesn't make sense considering they say he didn't even read the Jedi texts that apparently lead him there in the first place. I really want to fucking know how Force Ghosts play into all of this, I left TFA in theaters asking 'how did Kylo even get to this point when he could just consult Anakin's ghost?' and am still asking it now, the existence of Force Ghosts should make essentially all the drama in the Sequels not occur
Charles Ramirez
EU luke was mor of a mary sue than Rei. Original trilogy Luke only
Kevin Carter
>they are both gigantic Gary Stus that are even bigger Gary Stus than Rey Wrong, I don't know about Kyle that much but Starkiller is nowhere near Rey in that sense.It's just that everything was upscaled to the 11th degree, including Vader, for the sake of making you feel powerful case in point: youtube.com/watch?v=sDiHy-Nq75E around the 2 minute mark he just obliterates a gigantic door and by the end of the video a literal who Jedi (Galen's father) is able to pull TIE fighters from the sky, but iirc so can you. Sure Starkiller is stronger than Rey by endgame but he was trained since childhood by the alleged Chosen One and still got BTFO by Vader twice and by Sheev because he couldn't do pic related.Also >Galen Marek, being a child and probably not even knowing much or anything about the Force >Just pulls a lightsaber towards him not even aware of what he is doing >Rey literally hours after knowing that the Force is a thing and with no training >Avoids a mindprobe and turns it back into her captor, does a Jedi mind trick, pulls a lightsaber knowing fully well what she was doing and beats the ass out of Kylo. >To add *sip* salt to the wound just days after that she can just lift about 100 metric tons worth of boulders
man that first mission really makes you wish you were vader the entire game
Jace Ortiz
>From a story perspective, they are both gigantic Gary Stus that are even bigger Gary Stus than Rey could ever hope to be You are an absolute retard. Kyle >nearly constantly falls to the dark side, and only pulls back because of his friends >gets lead by the nose by Desann into nearly causing a galactic wide catastrophe >trains at least one fuck up of an apprentice >serious anger control issues >nowhere near the most powerful force user in the setting >his plots are all side stories that, while they would have damaged the galaxy, would have still been cleaned up by Luke if he failed >learns the force at the same rate as people like Darth bane, but gets augmented by the valley said Darth created Rey >is unconditionally loved or obsessed over by everyone she encounters >pulls a skill out of her ass for every occasion >uses established characters to make her look better >learns the force well enough to fight a dark adept despite learning it that same day >less that two days later uses it to lift a small mountain of rocks >the ONE person that ever gave her trouble got promptly killed off due to someone else being obsessed with her >her only intentional flaw is being too nice >attacks people in anger without a hint of the dark side Rey is, without hyperbole, one of the single worst Mary Sues in history. Star killer might be a Sue, but he doesn’t have enough personality to match Rey’s obnoxiousness, and even he fucking dies at the end
Isaiah Mitchell
I didn't mean two lightsabers, I meant double-bladed lightsabers.
Kevin Jackson
I'm pretty sure even the old EU didn't have straight up BRAAP fetish shit. I still can't believe there's a scene of people BRAAPing during a wedding and it made it past mouse QC
Parker Jones
Examples?
Andrew Taylor
>EU Luke >ultimate gary stu
>canon Luke >human character with flaws and weaknesses Stay mad, incel
>destroys death star without training WRONG. It says in in the first film he had some pilot experience. Can you explain how Luke is a mary sue if he got his ass kicked by Vader in the ESB?
Gavin Barnes
>WAAAH WHY DON'T YOU LIKE MY MOVIES! INCEL REEEEE stay mad roastie
Wyatt Campbell
I must say you’ve got the satire angle down pretty well. You almost seem sincere. Good job refraining from making it too obvious by playing the incel card too early, as well.
Luke Smith
>wamen Do millennials think they are funny for intentionally misspelling words?
Levi Johnson
Also how would consulting Anakin's ghost ever make Kylo more evil? Vader reformed before he died, and his ghost would tell Kylo he's being a moron for making the same mistakes.
Matthew Cook
>never fired a blaster before Luke has a blaster on the search for R2 in ANH. And of course he has. He lived his entire life on a farm surrounded by rape gangs; said rape gangs took his grandmother from that very property.
Joshua King
Maybe try reading the entire post. It's two goddamn lines long.
Lucas Allen
>is unconditionally loved or obsessed over by everyone she encounters This is what has bothered me about Rey's character so far. I don't mind if someone is genuinely kind, but she's so universally loved that it feels shitty. Luke is the only one who doesn't show unconditional support for her at all times, and it's because he feels that her plan is disastrously stupid.
Jackson Hall
>SW >Good writing
Justin Richardson
That's what I was saying, it makes absolutely zero sense for Kylo to even remotely reach a state of where he is at when he could easily just consult Anakin. As far as I know that hasn't even been addressed anywhere in EU so they don't even know how to excuse that bullshit.
Matthew Brown
Didn't they explain the Force basically went to sleep, only to be reawakened? Therefore it would make sense that Force Ghosts didn't show up, and Luke's surprise at seeing Yoda seems to suggest he hasn't seen him for many years, therefore adding weight to that.
Joshua Walker
But a vocal minority of its fanbase refuses to move on, trudging along in a feeble attempt to manufacture their perfect individual version of Star Wars for the satisfaction of their wet dreams. The Force Awakens may have been dangerous because it reinforced reminders of the old, but the backlash was strong, even though it utilized structural similarities and plot developments for the sake of mystery-box subversion. Many viewers hated Abrams’ film because it exposed their reverence and mythologization of the original trilogy to an absurd degree and refracted it back in the characters’ personalities. Cries and whimpers of “It’s the same thing as the original Star Wars!!” might as well be re-worded into “I didn’t like it because it gave me exactly what I’ve been worshipping for the last thirty years!!”. While The Force Awakens, in a sense, weakened those who have never moved on from the original trilogy, The Last Jedi leaves them in the blood-red dust. It soars off into the galaxy with a fresh twinkle in its eye and a comical, sly reverence for Star Wars itself and not the version so many people have fabricated in their fantasies. The characters have been freed from their ties to Original Trilogy characters, and while they will always carry them within their hearts. Johnson showcases that no progression can be unearthed without change, and change is the opposite of stagnantly committing to ancient fandom favorites just because that’s how they’re remembered. The truth hurts for the personalities in The Last Jedi and the audience observing it play out across the screen; they have realized their stories are just that. It’s what you take away from them, and where you go from there that matters. This gargantuan space-opera train is finally back to square one freed from the constraints of its sickening fanbase and bursting into hyperspace towards the future. Time to let go
Can a force user be skillful with a blaster through force manipulation like they can with a lightsaber
Samuel Reed
Oh, don't worry, people have finally let go of Star Wars and it will die.
Brody Johnson
I was relieved when he was just a force projection when he fought Kylo, but then it cuts to the real him and he flops over and dies anyway. Fuck you Rian.
Anthony Barnes
I guess that title finally makes sense to me now, where was that implied?? Is that what that weird flashback scene when Rey finds the lightsaber was? I haven't seen TFA since I saw it in theaters so might be forgetting something
Grayson Murphy
of course I for some reason believe they actually have that
Zachary Scott
That’s such a monumentally retarded explanation, given what Yoda said about the force in ESB, that I’ve no doubt Disney will run with it
Camden Parker
>replacing Kyle with Warmen >these guys come and take your Death Star plan
OP here, never seen this image before. This pretty much sums it all perfectly.
Isaac Gutierrez
I legitimately don't think he watched TLJ
Sebastian Rivera
>Solo bombs No, wait! Stop letting go!!
Adam Reyes
>Luke's first conscious use of the Force was to locate a lost screwdriver under a couch, when he was only 6 years old. Ever since then, Luke greatly advanced his skills and powers in the Force, becoming incredibly skilled in a great number of Force powers and was considered to be the most powerful Force Sensitive in history by some. >frighteningly proficient in the more personal applications of the Force. After being fatally wounded in the battle between the Singing Mountain Clan and the Nightsisters, Luke was able to instinctively heal himself in the span of mere hours. >Luke's skill with telekinesis was as remarkable as it was overwhelming. In the middle of a massive midday meal food fight at the Jedi Praxeum's mess hall, Luke instantly froze every morsel, drop and item, solid and liquid in midair as if trapped in time >Luke was able to knock down an AT-AT by pressing against it with the Force; he also absorbed the initial cannon blasts from the AT-AT, before deflecting the rest with his lightsaber. >In combat, Luke was able to destroy a group of hot-wired battle droids just by waving his hand >Even then, with proper instruction, it was a difficult power to master. However, this power apparently came naturally to Luke. >Luke used the Force to rebuild Darth Vader's old fortress on Coruscant. Luke would later use the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to rubble, shattering the building piece by piece and throwing it into the oceans of Coruscant.
Ethan Foster
>gets called out >quick the newesst buzzwords just as plebbit tought me Are you just out for (you)s or a legit brainlet?
Caleb Taylor
>Luke managed to telekinetically sustain a black hole while simultaneously flinging the dovin basals into it. >walked Beyond shadows and had a final duel with Abeloth. Using his bare hands as offensive Force exertisons, Luke was able to temporarily destroy the dark side entity >Toward the end of the Swarm War, Luke used the Force to call all the Jedi across the galaxy to Ossus to make the announcement of him taking on the role as Grand Master >he walked on lava while still throbbing with the Force after defeating a Fireworm living in the lava just moments before >Luke used the Force to generate a physical copy of the Jade Shadow to fool the attacking dartships. This usage of the Force was so extreme, Luke burnt out and his face was temporarily sunken and shriveled like Palpatine's. A year later. Luke applied the same trick on the DR919a, but by then Luke already mastered the technique and would no longer burn out >Luke rooted himself with the Force so strongly that it was said that he had become the very essence of the immovable object, and that not even the black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him.
Carter James
>he shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later, while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi had been able to do. >Luke had shown himself capable of consciously reaching a state of Oneness. He was described as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy, against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused was he that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. >Luke used a powerful and unique ability of the Force related to his signature green Electric Judgment in the chamber of Shimrra Jamaane. This technique had been described to look like "green sparks," which instantly killed the Slayers. >Luke was taught the Fold space ability which allowed him to teleport objects vast distances. >when Abeloth had Luke in a deadly embrace, Luke opened himself to the Force as much as possible, drawing on his love for his son Ben, his lost wife Mara, and the entire Jedi Order. The Light Side rushed into him, his cells began to burst with power and his skin gave off a golden glow. >During his duel with the Columi Qresh brothers, Luke dispensed powerful blasts of Force energy that manifested itself as golden flame.
Gold skin, undefeated against black holes, regeneration, oneness with the form, insta-kill green sparks, golden fire... It's literally a god.
Wyatt Stewart
That's like blocking a 105mm HEAT round with a katana
Colton Rodriguez
>Recovered the sacred Jedi texts beforehand to teach future generations
Wait, what?
Camden Torres
IIRC Darth Bane used the force to help with aiming a sniper rifle
Luis Ortiz
>form *Force
Adam Morales
>characters finally freed from the original trilogy >only to fulfill the exact same roles just with different and cleverly trademarked names
Had TLJ ended with Rey joining Kylo and everyone else being like "Well fuck, we're completely screwed" I would have gushed about how amazing this movie was to anyone who listened. That's understanding that there are tons of notable flaws with the film even before this point, not counting the offensively bad final 20 minutes. I would just be that excited with Star Wars doing something exciting and taking a new direction. Plucky rebels fighting against an evil empire led by the Sith isn't a new direction for Star Wars at all.
Daniel Nelson
When Yoda burns down the ancient tree and Luke wants to rescure the books, Yoda trells him that Rey already took them with her, without Lukes knowing.
Joshua Sanchez
You seem confused. You’re just listing abilities rather than explaining why he’s a person with no meaningful personality flaws, inexplicably liked or obsessed over by everyone he meets, and for whom the plot bends over to make him look good.
Don’t feel bad, it seems to be a common misunderstanding.
Kayden Hernandez
I'm doing my best to just ignore Star Wars now and I have been a fan since I was a kid Disney needs to die but that won't happen so at least let Star Wars die with Ep9 so it can't be raped further
Asher James
Really? Why hide it off-screen? Isn't that an important plot point?
Nolan King
>They made Thrawn canon >He was threatening for one episode before turning into a generic Saturday morning cartoon villain
This is a correct definition of a Mary Sue. Dream of the Endless is more powerful than most gods but is also an uptight prick who is disliked by most everybody. Luke can be ridiculously powerful without being a Mary Sue, and Luke still fails pretty regularly in the EU, mainly making errors in judgment assuming people are going to straighten themselves out when they clearly aren't.
Wyatt Adams
>so at least let Star Wars die with Ep9 so it can't be raped further user, the real nightmare hasn't even begun.
>whole point of the prequels is that the Jedi were too dogmatic and stagnant >Luke’s eventual arc in the OT was to trust his feelings rather than blindly obeying his masters >Apologists want us to believe Luke failed in the ST because of dogma and a self importance he never once showed >Rey takes the ancient texts to start it all over The ST is more incompetent every time I think about it
He said that she took what she needed from the island. He never explicitly says that she stole the books
Logan King
His movie probably should have been ample proof of that. It was an aimless mess that was more technically competent than the prequels but never even pretended to be a cohesive story. It's not subversive and bold if you clearly don't know what the fuck is going on either.
Bentley Kelly
THE FORCE IS FEMALE
Sebastian Collins
Precisely. I think too many people only recently heard the term because of Rey, assumed it was because of her inexplicable abilities, then started plastering it without realising what it meant. Rey would be a Sue even without her powers.
Luis Morgan
>Was 2 meters tall >Had a mask He lives up to his name despite being created years before the meme
>7 is about finding a map Luke left behind to be found by someone worthy >Luke in 8 has no idea how mary sue found him and cries that he just wants to die Oookay dokey
Kayden Parker
God why does Kathleen Kennedy Klan has such a punchable face. It must be that fucking smug grin she always seem to have.
Jonathan King
Is modern Hollywood incapable of making these epic, self-contained trilogies like LotR and Star Wars? It seems like the climate is way different than it was even when I was a kid, with Disney's business model of "Movies are basically TV show episodes enjoy our 10 year plan including 60 installments" being strictly followed by everybody else. Even Harry fucking Potter has been ruined by the cinematic universe virus, and those movies weren't really that great to begin with.
Jaxon Wilson
That's like saying gravity is female. something something momma so fat she collapses into a black hole.
Jordan Moore
>created the rule of two >meaning his Sith plan listed only one of you
Eli Gray
We all know that star wars movies have a reputation for the 2nd movie being bad and the third one usually ending out really okay do you think that will be the case this time
Bentley Richardson
Nah. Also the first was bad too. It was just a retelling of the first one except all actors and their characters were worse
Nathaniel Hall
>that was more technically competent than the prequels It wasn't tho, which is sad for a movie made 12 years after episode III
Kayden Lopez
>Luke failed to restore the Jedi so now Rey will do it >The Rebels failed to restore and maintain the Republic, so now the Resistance will do it That's the Sequels >You made this? >I made this
Adrian Ramirez
>We all know that star wars movies have a reputation for the 2nd movie being bad and the third one usually ending out really okay >only two trilogies to confrim that >one is the complete opposite of it >while the other agrees with it You really didn't think that one trough, right?
Isaiah Cruz
I mean, that's disingenuous. Go back and watch the prequels, they're a fucking mess on every single level. TLJ is close to the same quality of film as Episode III, but AotC and TPM are like another universe of horrible shit.
Nolan Reed
no I did and i'm going off by what everyone thinks online
Ethan Anderson
Outside the title, I don't think it was implied at all. In the TFA Visual Dictionary though, it states: >Since the disappearance of Luke Skywalker and the shattering of his fledgling Jedi following, the cosmic Force has lain dormant, seemingly quieted to those able to sense its presence. The adventures of Rey and Finn on Jakku coincide with a turbulence in the cosmic Force, a sudden ripple indicating the awakening of newfound ability. With the Jedi and their records vanished, few—other than Kylo Ren and his mysterious master—are able to appreciate the occurrence.
Daniel Allen
He let out all the unprofessional behavior in the interviews. So much so that he got banned from interviews by disney themselves shortly before release because all he did was talk shit about the script and rian and how every fan of the franchise was going to despise it.
As unprofessional as that is its also very based and something actors and such need to do more often, blacklist be damned.
Benjamin Murphy
Except the previous trilogies had something to look forward to in the climax, and none of them pissed people off like TLJ did. AoTC was just bad rather than offensive.
Gavin Hill
ESB is universally considered to be the best film in the series by far, and it was the second film in the OT. Your position is stupid.
Did Ep 3 waste half the film with a filler story that doesn't have anything to do with anything?
Wyatt Sanders
Everyone online thinks ESB is the best, though
Carson White
don't be like that it is a good day my dude
Matthew Torres
TLJ has absolutely awful camerawork though. It has some nice shots, like the salt streams or ram, but it’s still terrible overall. Some of them are space balls rip offs, for fucks sake.
Carson Jackson
>AoTC was just bad rather than offensive You might want to rewatch it.
alright then my apologies do you think the 3rd film in the new trilogy will redeem itself
Chase Jones
That's just because the sting of the prequels being shit had already been taken away by the time AotC came out. TLJ was ostensibly supposed to be a good film, it had a pretty good tomatometer score and most critics had the consensus of "Nerds will like this, I'm pretty sure". TPM and TLJ both pissed people off immensely, in part because of how disappointing they were.
Hudson Bailey
No
Blake Perez
>TLJ is close to the same quality of film as Episode III None of the PTs managed to destroy the whole SW universe with a 10 second scene the way TLJ did.
The only technical thing TLJ or even TFA has over the prequels is that the CGI is newer. And even then you have the rathar shit for example. >TLJ is close to the same quality of film as Episode III Yeah,in your fucking dreams. Even Anakin and Padme's most cringy moments in that film are miles better than TLJ crap and the battles shown in the order 66 sequence are way beyond TLJ's """battles""". Hell Rian didn't even bothered getting a choreographer if I am not mistaken and It really shows.
Henry Perez
>He doesn't enjoy animal rights propaganda in his movies Bigot
Ayden Gomez
Yes. that’s bad, not offensive. Jake “interrupting bad dreams with laser beams” Skywalker is what I class as offensive.
Hudson Butler
You mean the only thing that was holding the end of the Separatist movement and whose death meant the end of the Clone Wars?
Juan Harris
>Hell Rian didn't even bothered getting a choreographer if I am not mistaken and It really shows. He did have one, but i guess he either wasn't very good or Rain had no idea waht to do with him. youtube.com/watch?v=-py2awmME8s
>the ragdoll on wookies as they twirl into the middle distance >the disregard for threat or tension as such things are trifles in the face of the dark side of the force >5:00 >walks up to allied storm trooper >sends him blasting off at such speed that we never even see him come down Holy fuck. This game is 20 dollars new right now and I still have one of the ancient fat ps3s that will never die. Picked the fuck up.
Even regarding that, the prequels had the hook of Palpatine’s eventual rise on top of just getting it over with. The ST has nothing. Rey is already the best, the resistance will follow JJ and Rian’s Precedent to pull an army out of their ass and win. There’s nothing to be curious about.
Hudson Campbell
They really do.
Christopher Murphy
What Star Wars games are worth playing?
Lucas Bailey
He had one, but Rian clearly ignored him or cut the vast majority of scenes he dealt with at the last second.
Tyler White
IT took him dozens of books and 20-30 years to accumulate all these skills and accolades. A Mary Sue just gets them immediately, without backstory or reason. There is not a problem with a character becoming powerful, but attributing power and skill arbitrarily is poor writing.
Jace Sullivan
The Clone Wars were literally all fake, and would've continued for as long as Palpatine wanted them to. Grievous was a catspaw and entirely superfluous to the plot, only introduced because Christopher Lee was old as hell and couldn't do an entire movie.
Isaac Phillips
Has there ever been a black or white lightsaber in the EU? despite it sounding edgy as hell I like the idea of black flames emanating of a lightsaber.
Oliver Lopez
KOTOR 1 and 2 Jedi Outcast Jedi Academy Galactic Battlegrounds Xwing Alliance if you have a joystick Episode 1 Racer Rogue Squadron Rogue Squadron 2 Force Unleashed is borderline
Easton Diaz
The original Thrawn trilogy is the real sequel trilogy. Someone posted a dramatic reading in german on youtube
Anthony Lee
Jedi Knight Series Rouge Squadron 2-3 emulated Tie Fighter Kotor 1+2
Ayden Cook
I still have the whole trilogy with me. Bought it as a kid and still is in my appartment. >tfw no canon Mara jade >tfw no Luke vs Luuke kino
The CIS was already mortally wounded with Dooku's death, but Grievous was still commanding the troops so he had to be killed to definately end the war.
>EU sucks because I read a top 10 dumb things in the EU list! Why do people say this when the EU contains: >all the best and most iconic Star Wars video games >all the best and most iconic Star Wars books and comics >all the best and most iconic Star Wars television shows(Yes, this includes the TCW 3D since its considered both Legends and Canon since it was made before Disney bought it) >all the best and most iconic non-movie characters
Yeah there is some dumb shit, nothing is perfect after all, but to say that the EU was bad is disingenuous.
EU still lives in our hearts and that's enough for me. Fuck Disney.
Jace Clark
I always thought the idea of a black lightsaber was dumb, because black absorbs light.
A kind of negative space saber, would make more sense. And would be able to "cut" through a lightsaber. It would also look kind of cool on film, as you'd just burn in the image where the saber would be.
Although these actually look okay, even though I still take issue with the concept.
Because they haven’t read/played any of it. This thread alone hasn’t plenty of examples of people spewing that line, or claiming X was a Mary Sue, and then flailing when asked to provide any examples. Make no mistake, you’re right to say it’s not perfect, but most people that shit on it are in no position to judge it.
Aaron Cox
>hasn’t Fuck. Has.
Noah Flores
I hate that they gutted the original story for this rebel shit all because Disney wanted to keep things about the First Order a secret before the next movie came out. Then they fucked up and said nothing about the first order.
Get Ultimate Sith edition. Along with two extra story missions, you get a shit ton of cosmetics.
Grayson Long
>lightsabers + the force have been shown to repel laser shots >thinks this is comparable to steel on steel
Not even the same thing.
Robert Adams
Don't get it on PC. It's one of the worst ports ever.
Kayden Price
>which instantly killed the Slayers That's a grudgin'
Kevin Bennett
I can't remember the title, but towards the end of the Yuuzhang Vong war he basically loses his patience with pacifism and goes full murder hobo on the Vong.
He becomes this glowing avatar of the force and just starts butchering their army like a Zen Kratos. More impressive by the fact that the Vong are naturally resistant to the force and most Jedi can't effect them with the force at all.
To summarise old EU Luke was broken as fuck and that DID kind of ruin him as a character.
Asher Parker
>mfw I had to use a cheat engine at the Star Destroyer part Jesus that was hard as hell. Fuck that he must of been a god to pull that thing down while those Tie Fighters were blasting him.
The Yuuzhang Vong were fucking genocide the galaxy. They deserved to have a force GOD fucking kick their shit in.
Isaac Walker
The ps2 version is better all around though. Except for that part.
Owen Kelly
Seethe more rat shill
Jaxson Russell
>Literally like a dozen people left in the resistance What the fuck is their plan?
Charles Morris
The Vong were edgy shit and way worse than anything Disney's shat out in the last few years.
They definitely needed wiping out, but Luke shouldn't have turned into fucking Doctor Manhattan to do it, that's fucking stupid.
If I wanted an EU Jedi to go on a fucking genocidal rampage I'd call Katarn!
Ryan Long
Considering one of those people is Rey, do you really have to ask?
Noah Thompson
Imagine being this fucking preachy and obsessed with a franchise you at the same time insist you hate all versions of that isn't the absolute most recent version
Jackson Jones
What happened to the Darksaber? Destroyed? Reproduced? Stuck inside some random schmuck's ass after a battle?
>defeats a trained swordsman with a weapon she never used I know it is bait but still made me reply.
Jeremiah Bennett
Absolutely, either Kotor is.
Jason Flores
ROGER'D Pretty sure the Mando girl from Rebels has it, considering the thing itself is a Mando weapon.
Ryan Richardson
>Alright I want our new Star Wars sequel trilogy to feature a cool and strong female protagonist >shut it Jenkins, we're not doing any of your dumb EU shit. We'll just rehash ANH Luke without any of the humanizing qualities that made him likable.
For all the shitting episode I gets it still had the best choreographed lightsaber fight in the trilogy. It's the shit that inspired all the games combat. youtube.com/watch?v=IezQw6dJs4I
>Kylo Ren kills his own father >"I don't want to hurt this girl I met two hours ago!" That's a Mary Suein'
Isaiah Edwards
>As unprofessional as that is its also very based and something actors and such need to do more often, blacklist be damned.
He couldn't do it on set though. Hayden couldn't do it on set either.
The only one that ever could was Ford when Lucas still needed him.
Connor Hughes
>All the actors get excited for the movies and talk about how they grew up on Star Wars and how cool it is to be working on one >Except Daisy Ridley >Every character then gets sidelined as hard as possible >For Rey It's not fair.
Jonathan Cruz
>edgy shit I agree >worse than anything Disney's shat out in the last few years. I disagree, at least they weren't killing millions with their braaps.
Cameron Cooper
He is a better pilot than the entire Red Squadron, a better shot than Bobba and Han, and a better force user than Luke. He can dip his balls in the dark force with no long term consequences. He is a fucking Gary Stu. The games were cool though.
Wyatt Roberts
>one guy running away on the left >Kylo just slamming his lightsaber into the ground for no reason
Henry Kelly
One dudes weapon just disappears during the fight if I remember too.
>better pilot >crashes his ship into a GIANT FUCKING ROCK JUST STANDING THERE in JK2 >normally lets his space asian gf fly for him
>implying any of the darkside powers and routes were canon IIRC he says a few times that all the stories about him (and therefore the games) are pretty exaggerated.
The prequels have dumb things in them but if you look at them you see and hear Star Wars. If you look at the sequels it something that reminds you of Star Wars with full of shit. I will say this every time but try to watch the first 10 minutes of the sequels and not cringe. >the fucking I know what you know that he knows but does he know? talk between Reylo and the old man >the force punishment of the already absolutely worst first order officer on the level of the saddest comedies
Ian Diaz
Rey has all that and she is inmediately liked by everyone, even Kylo kinda likes her, and despite being striking down every major opponent she met with anger and a bitchy attitude she never falls into the dark side because she is pure.There is literally nothing imperfect about her and nothing "bad" she does like falling into Snoke's trap affects her in the long term
Jordan Lopez
It was a leftover from TCW actually like every better thing in Rebels.
Camden Thompson
They were shit, but nothing is on par with TLJ. Even Karen fucking Traviss can’t hold a candle to Johnson (or more accurately, his organ grinders), despite her best efforts.
>has Jan do all the piloting because he’s better >barely escapes Fett with his life, and is clearly harrowed by the experience years later >Luke shits all over everyone with the force >none of the dark side shit is canon, and he only avoided falling because of his friends Why would you lie to people that actually know about his character?
Henry Fisher
Cringe
Jaxon Nguyen
Wasnt that slashed tho?
Eli Nelson
Come on now, let's not say things we can't take back. Go reread some Traviss, it's reeaaally bad wank.
Sebastian Young
My favorite part of the Star Wars EU is how retards pretend it was in any way canon.
Zachary Butler
Man where did I put my spoon... Chris Avellone. Writer of Kotor 2, the best Star Wars story out there, Planescape Torment and some other of the best video game stories out there.
Christian Myers
Shit opinion, Disney shill. Shit opinion, and absolutely not true. Wrong. This is also wrong and shows how much people like you talk out of your ass.
Brody Johnson
It's actually kind of funny both were made with nothing but contempt for Star Wars as a whole and the OT, but TLJ was so cumbersome and petty about it.Both Avellone and Johnson are malignant pricks but Johnson reminds me of an overgrown toddler smashing the other kids sand castles and then cries to mommy Kathleen when the other kids tell him to fuck off.
>Writer of Kotor 2 Was that the game where you stood in front of a person, swung a light sabe literally through them, and it said "miss"? Cause I turned off that garbage.
Parker Sanders
What makes it bad? Or rather, how is the console version better? Because I played the PC version and it felt kinda weird and off even if it's from the last gen.
Kotor is constructive criticism at its finest. It shits on our notions of jedis and sith and adds to the universe in tremendous ways. ST shits on the old stuff while constructing almost nothing new and what is new is intern level writing
Andrew Morgan
Wait, so what does the fucking M stand for?
Isaac Torres
I know how awful she is, don’t worry. I’m sure she would have managed to ruin Star Wars even more effectively than Johnson if she’d had his level of creative control, but as it stands she made the mistake of pissing off Zahn, so nobody cared when Filoni promptly steamrolled everything she cared about and booted her.
Hudson Ward
iirc it was in one of the books where he was looking for force users to recruit to the new Jedi academy he wanted to build. Had to fight a lava worm as well.
Jaxon Richardson
>not playing kotor 2
Owen Morgan
who actually gives a shit about the "new" canon? star wars is already bigger than disney, they can't just snap their fingers and rewrite history because a piece of paper in some rich niggers office says so
Matthew Diaz
The difference is that Avellone knew the importance of giving players the choice to reject his opinions, while Johnson refuses to admit he’s done anything wrong.
Camden Parker
>the importance of giving players the choice to reject his opinions
you can't do this at any point in the game
Adrian Long
I thought all he did was use it resist the convection currents of heat that cameraman off the lava?
Dylan James
But you can pretend you can, and isn't that just as important?
Jeremiah Lee
Practically every conversation with kreia has options of disagreement
Brandon Cook
>Did you miss the EU? Not really. Star Wars as a story for me ended with RotJ. Even the prequels were stupid and unnecessary. The sequel trilogy is a bigger mistake in that it's higher profile and "canon", which makes them irreversible in a way the EU never was, but that doesn't mean I miss the EU.
I liked the Jedi Knight games, mind you. But not for their story. I didn't really care to see the setting after RotJ. It didn't offend me but it didn't grab my attention either. Katarn isn't that interesting of a character either. He's just an excuse to rope the player through the usual Star Wars motions.
Joshua Barnes
The PC version runs like ass, it crashes a lot, the graphics glitch out all the time, they didn't bother optimizing the controls for PC so for example when you pull down the Star Destroyer you have to move your mouse around like you're having a seizure.
Blake Williams
It’s not canon, but it’s much better than what Disney has done with the IP. Say what you will, but they burned a lot of goodwill and turned people away from the franchise by engaging in culture war bs, which always ages like milk. Also their movies are boring.
Zachary Williams
You can do it at every point in the game. Just because you don’t get asspats from the NOCs for doing so doesn’t change that.
Nathan Butler
Yeah exactly. And because you are a retarded zoomer you missed out on the best story in Star Wars history. Now the guy responsible for that is teaming up with the guys who created one of the best fps single player campaigns in recent years to make a third person action adventure in the Star Wars universe. Jesus I should stop spoongfeeding you faggots
Yeah but that doesn't mean you're right. Your arguments get demolished if you try to disagree. She also never admits you might have a point.
Camden Gomez
Ah, Filoni. Now there's a man's man. Re-canonizes good bits of the old EU and doesn't afraid of anything. Shame about Rebels though.
Jonathan Wood
The whole conversation with her about power has counter arguments. Plus you cant hope for the devs to include responses to every single possible ciritcism on top of that the story is about the subversion of typical light and dark siders with kreia at its center so naturally theyre gonna give her spotlight
Michael Cruz
>every npc doesn't suck my dick and literally worship me all through out the game so it's bad
Nolan Morris
Even if that were true That’s her problem, and by her own logic she’s wrong for doing so. However off the top of my head I can find an instance you’re wrong, since you can force her to acknowledge she’s wrong or at least a hypocrite about Ajunta Pall
Jonathan Cox
They had a canon tree, it was canon.
Brody Butler
Holy shit, is Coruscant the only map they did? Why does EA not look at the comments and realize that nobody cares about the graphics and only want solid gameplay?
How many times can you fags get your hopes up for a Disney Wars game? Only for your hopes to be squashed when the game is released and its fucking garbage. Doesn't it get tiring?
Dominic Ortiz
Aren't you that guy who hates Kenshiro and needs to remind everyone about 'moralfags' every opportunity you get?
Dylan Bennett
>the best story in Star Wars history kek.
Carter Morales
As far as I know he also did Cato Neimoidia.
Christopher Johnson
I never said this. But the replies you are given are intentionally flimsy if you want to argue with her. They are made deliberately for her to easily brush aside and generally are irrational.
Thomas Bennett
Which one would you say is better?
Carson Collins
I've never even seen Fist Of The Star, so no. In fact I had to look Kenshiro up on Google just now.
Maybe I'll watch it.
Jaxson Ross
thats why you throw her down a ravine at the end of the game user
Camden Evans
>Destroys Death Star without Xwing training He says in the movie that Zwings have the same controls as the T-43s on Tattoine. Also he almost got killed on at least one occasion during that mission. His skills were far from perfect.
Ryder Hill
>Why does EA not look at the comments and realize that nobody cares about the graphics and only want solid gameplay? Because if they did they would C&D this mod
Elijah Gomez
You are literally a decade too late. Who even dredged that stale old image up to you?
Jordan White
She IS right though... too right...
Xavier Nelson
It's not for you.
Jaxson Gray
And why is that?
Isaiah Edwards
If I need to explain it you really don't even belong on Yea Forums.
Well than I'll guess I'll watch it, has to be better than the shit Yea Forums watches now.
Mason Brooks
The original movies, particularly TESB. No question. KotoR II tries to be contemplative with Kreia but it's not thought-provoking so much as just muddying. It feels like high school fan-fiction.
Christian Gonzalez
I would very much like Phasma to threaten me, but that would involve Christie not getting shafted by the director for five minutes.
Jeremiah Reed
>tfw I did it after over half an hour And then I stopped playing the game just a bit later because I needed sleep and never came back to it. Also which game lets you corrupt Luke, is it this one or the sequel?
Chase Cooper
The new movies aren't canon. Simple. They're just another story in the EU. It's a dystopian arc, a different version of events following ROTJ.
Think of it like any of the book series. >"Star Wars: The Death of the Force" by Disney
Stop acting like Fist Of The North Star, the anime that is on nearly everyone's top 10 best anime list is, is somehow some obscure anime only Yea Forums likes.
Nolan Lopez
>only Yea Forums likes.
you really are a knuckle-dragging board tourist newfag piece of shit. Dumb motherfucker. DUMB motherfucker.
I liked Leia just about as much as Han, Luke or Yoda growing up.
The only thing I'm "threatened" by is terrible writing in the new movies and bad acting.
Nicholas Flores
If highschoolers were capable of that level of introspection and critical analysis of the establishment the future would be very much brighter. And the fact that it literally changed millions of peoples views on morality in star wars and maybe real life is proof that it IS thought provoking
Benjamin Murphy
what... what a shit fucking opinion jesus it couldn't be any more obvious that you have no idea what a gary stu is (that or you NEVER played the JK games with Kyle in them)
Levi Morales
Following KOTOR 2 morality IRL is surefire path to complete disaster for any society.
Jose Allen
Yeah, he is. Same for that guy from the Force Unleashed. But these are video game protags so it doesn't matter, they're meant to be op for the gameplay to be more fun. The new movies have no excuse for it though since film is exclusively about storytelling.
Easton Davis
>look ma, I'm trying to get attention on the internet
Aiden Green
With Star Wars being dead raped and buried and then raped some more are there any other similar space adventure series worth checking out?
>fine with Nomi Sunrider >fine with Bastila >fine with Briana >fine with Visas >fine with Jarael >fine with Darth Zannah >fine with Ahsoka >fine with Padme >fine with Leia >fine with Hera >fine with Jan >fine with Mara Jade >fine with Jaina >but suddenly have a problem with women Really makes you think
Daniel Hill
Is that a fucking' vagina on that thing's head?
Bentley Robinson
the future is female bow down to the almighty vagene
Ayden Peterson
Pretty goood but the fanbase will never move on. Their complaints of TLJ and praise of TFA proves SW fans have no idea what they want and need to let go.
You have fans legit saying their childhood is ruined. i cant imagine being this pathetic about a fantasy series
Christopher Rivera
Casuals and zoomers or those who suck Disney's cock have no idea how many female major characters there were in Star Wars under Lucas or the fact we already had two main female co-leads with Leia in the OT and Padme in the PT.
Austin Turner
>that vertical L I E What did they mean by this?
Cameron Flores
Did they really do that in TLJ?
Deflector shields exist for a reason. A hyperspace ship would slide off it and disintegrate.
Jace Smith
Shut the fuck you apologist.
Dominic Thompson
I dislike TLJ and TFA for similar but distinct reasons.
>“I just thought, Luke’s never going to see his best friend again. You look at it in a self-centred way. I said that it was a big mistake that those three people would never reunite in any way. I guess I was wrong, because nobody seems to care!
>“They had me walking by 3PO, not even acknowledging him. I said: “I can’t do that! He (The Last Jedi’s director, Rian Johnson) said, “Okay, go over and do whatever.” So I went over, and I did whatever. They say it in the script: ‘Forget the past, kill it if you have to,’ and they’re doing a pretty good job!”
I’m fine with Luke being a coward but the reason he fucked up being the polar opposite of his OT character arc with no explanation as to why other than “I acted out of character, but only for a moment so it’s okay” is bullshit
Landon Diaz
>be 31 years old and turning 32 in less than a few months >first film I ever remember seeing at 3 or 4 years old with coherent memory was RotJ (particularly starting from the kino speed bike fight/chase scene on Endor) >first Star Wars movies I saw in theater was the release of the Special Edition of A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return Of The Jedi >was 11 turning to 12 in 6th grade when The Phantom Menace came out >was 14 turning to 15 in 9th grade when Attack Of The Clones came out >was 17 going onto 18 and in 12th grade/senior year of high school when Revenge Of The Sith came out I don't give two flying fucks. Star Wars is something I'm not ashamed to say I am massively emotionally invested in. Every issue with the OT and PT is surpassed by the entertainment, story telling, visuals, and cohesive overarching story and how it was handled by Lucas that made me love them even with the flaws they have. I have nothing but complete and fucking scorn for a soulless rehash like TFA, a bland fucking protagonist like Rey, trash side characters with Finn and Poe, and the blatantly anti-male and anti-white along with in your face anti-western culture theme of the Sequels. And TLJ completely broke the camel's back even with most casuals with how fucking trash it was.
Get the fuck out of here. Star Wars films were an event or celebration in cinema and entertainment that came out once every few years and Disney with their shit-eating enforcers like Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson have utterly diluted that to constantly releasing feces riddled movies since 2015 with TFA, R1, TLJ, and Solo.
They killed the magic. They killed the characters, they killed everything that made Star Wars so special so there's no surprise people are pissed off.
Juan Peterson
Farscape is always worth watching again. It only had one videogame, though, and it was shit.
But remember: good sci-fi series don't get good videogames.
Nathaniel Ward
Wait, where did his left-hand knife go?
David Jones
I recommend Space Battleship Yamato, it's various sequels and the remake. No good games though except cameos in SRW.
Luke being a coward at all, even for just a 'moment' is completely out of character, goes against the entirety of the development and establishment of his progression as the hero in the OT and is simply justified by Rian Johnson trying to "subvert" expectations.
Blake Kelly
Good EU >new Jedi academy >Solo twins >Warlords of the empire >thrawn >my nigga palleon >most of the empire stuff is good actually >lore from the games >Jacen's fall is so good Disney had to step it and made it worse >vongs, fuck you it was the next logical step >Cade's story was good, I'd argue
Bad EU >Palpatine clones >Luke clones >fuck clones >Anakin Solo, so shit Disney stole his entire character schtick for Kylo >Ben Skywalker, whose name Disney hijacked for Kylo >various lores
Leo Sullivan
I will never understand how Hamill leans SO far left when it's those same leftists who completely destroyed his legacy.
William Price
>TLJ "fight" sequences
Isaiah Howard
Luke only had one clone, and it died in theee pages after introduction. The other was a joke character because Zahn admitted the name was dumb
Adrian Morales
>Anakin Solo, so shit Disney stole his entire character schtick for Kylo Jacen has obvious similarities to Kylo but they aren't that similar aside from being the shithead son of Han and Leia.
Parker Morales
I always loved staff for that crazy spinning side flip you could do. More practical than you'd think
Juan Green
He didn't actually crash the Crow out of incompetence. It's not possible to fly the Crow without the visor, and Jan had it on her head. Kyle could only guesstimate his emergency landing. I still don't agree that he's a gary stu though. A flawless character doesn't run and hide from the force just because that one time he made a mistake and almost went to the dark side. If he was a gary stu, he would have instantly shrugged it off.
Isaac Williams
>Palpatine clones >bad No >Luke clones Happened once. >Anakin Solo >relevant at all to Kylo Idiot >Ben Skywalker >bad No. >various lores Autism.
Adrian White
He knows he fucked up. He should have refused to do it. He could have refused to appear in any of the nu-trilogy. All of the original three could have refused it. They all read the script before taking on the role, they saw the way it was going.
Liam Williams
I never mentioned following it. The fact that kreia questions the established order and morality often keads to rhe player applying the same critical thought to their instance which is a good thing also kreias views on topics like individual strength and altruism backfiring are things that are already discussed and thought about by real world philosophers such as nietzsche or sartre. The favt that you cant see the value of the lesson being taught shows how little you understand the game and its characters
Landon Baker
>didny Luke has one student fall to the dark side >loses his shit, tries to kill him and then fucks off to cry about it for 15 years >EU Luke had a student fall every other week and never gave up on them, always trying and usually succeeding in bringing them back then again maybe if he hadn't built the academy on yavin iv he wouldn't of had that problem
you can be a leftist without being a liberal or into bourgeous identity politics. It just happens most lefties are very liberal.
Ryder Walker
>Luke clones You do know the "second" one was a literal april fool's joke?
Cameron Anderson
I wonder how practical those lightsaber spears are It seems like they'd be really easy to cut and destroy in a fight with a lightsaber user though unless the metal was made out of that shit sabers can't cut through
He could've shanked her in the back with his off-hand and that would have been the end of Rey. There would have been hope for the galaxy.
Julian James
It's not that hard to understand. Political beliefs can impact the direction of a story but they aren't synonymous. Do you really think everyone that dislikes the sequels are right wing? Or even center-right? That's the same kind of stupid thinking Disney tried to damage control with.
Dominic Harris
Moral nihilism will always lead towards an inevitable collapse and destruction. See where you'll end up if you keep on this path.
Jayden Wood
I don't think he factors any of his politics into his work. I mean, how many decades has he been voicing a psychopath in Batman?
Justin Robinson
All three of them signed on thinking it was Lucas they were going to work with, the contracts were all finalized before he sold to Disney and just carried over after the sale, so they were fucked really and it's George's fault.
They're going to encounter dark-side temptations eventually. Training them on a planet with a dark-side temple and extremely powerful dark vibes running through the place constantly is just good exposure therapy.
Imagine having such a terrible fucking opinion as this and still thinking you're a fan of the ip, jesus. The eu has boatloads of great things in it. Are they all amazing? Hell no, nothing that has thousands of fucking entries into it is comprised of entirely amazing shit. Know what has zero amazing shit in it? Disneys foray so far, it's all been worse than the absolute worst written EU shit. So don't gimme your bollocks lad
Ian Martinez
Only students to fall to the dark side were:
- Ganatoris (the most powerful of his first generation of students before Kyp, and that was because of Exar fucking Kun haunting the guy) - Kyp (same as above, Exar Kun was manipulating him from the get-go when he came to the academy) - Streen (was always an introvert and mentally unstable but gets better and refuses Exar Kun) - Brakiss (was actually an Imperial spy anyways sent by the Remnant) - Kueller - Jacen
Just like the guards could've killed Kylo repeatedly at the start of the fight but took turns aiming for his sword on purpose. TLJ's fight sequences are god awful.
Christian Price
Grow up.
Hunter Price
>unless the metal was made out of that shit sabers can't cut through That bullshit cortosis stuff? Fuck off.
Anthony Jones
the thing is Hamill literally goes on twitter and said that looking at male leaders throughout human history has resulted in 'middling to poor' results and women should entirely take over. He is not simply liberal but full-blown SJW even while they shit all over him.
They likely were contracted before Rian and TLJ and thought that, at the very least, their input could sway some of the movie since they were that big. Unfortunatetly Rian is a scum sucking ass kisser who only listened to Kennedy and her team of gorgons. Think about it, even DISNEY is pissed at Rian and Kennedy for how bad they're botching stuff. If the franchise was anything other than Star Wars it would have crashed and burned, and the two of them would have been blacklisted from a large part of Hollywood.
Alexander Hughes
>I looked up old Yea Forums memes on knowyourmeme and encyclopedia dramitica >am I an oldfag now guise
Camden Thompson
t. Kathleen
Jason Lee
That's some serious jew shit, right there.
Nathaniel Sanders
If Kennedy and Johnson take the stage at the next Celebration, could it happen again?
Don't want to be that guy but Luke only moped on an island for about 2 years. Maybe 3. In one of the new books set only about 5 years before TFA Ben is still Ben and Luke is still around.
Thomas Perry
>thought about by real world philosophers such as nietzsche or sartre Sure. But that's not what Star Wars is, and shoehorning it into Star Wars is what makes it feel tone deaf and clumsy.
Alexander Brown
Rude for no reason my guy
Aaron Jenkins
New movies are fucking shit and the writers are dumb as fuck. They don't have a sense of scale, so for example in The Force Awakens for some reason everyone in the galaxy could see that dead beam exploding that planet. THE WRITERS ARE FUCKING DUMB, HOLY SHIT.
To be fair the ONE decent thing Rian tried to do with TLJ was remove the Porgs but Kathleen Kennedy overruled him on that when she watched it before it's release.
Luke Peterson
Looks nice but shits all over everything.
Kevin Powell
SO much better than the old EU! Thank you based Disney!
Dark Forces introduced the metal phrik that is impervious to lightsaber plasma. Really shows that the people in charge of designing stuff for the new movies have no idea what they're doing when the franchise had already invented several alternatives. "Hey, let's not use those two miracle metals that exist in this setting, let's make the crossguard out of plasma!"
Sorry, user. That was a bit much. But cortosis was a really silly thing.
Asher Stewart
No one really cares about Disney Star Wars/Sequel "lore". The entire concept as a plot gimmick being Luke went to that planet to die alone yet purposely left the star charts/maps with BB8 or Artoo or whatever is pointless. Absolutely nothing about TFA or TLJ is coherent.
Bentley Garcia
Ahem... fuck Disney, fuck KK, fuck Rey, fuck Ryan Johnson, and fuck EA
Christian Parker
I see Stinkey Steve is doing fine in the Star Wars universe.
Elijah Collins
They’ll be screening them, and recording any “live” events to make sure it doesn’t happen.
Christian Moore
>even DISNEY is pissed It only takes one man to stand up to evil.
Isaiah Perry
I think the EU's successes were mostly in the less ambitious, self-contained stories. When it tried to extensively expand the story with the classic characters is where it most often fell flat. I would say the same thing about The Clone Wars. TFA's and TLJ's faults are more than just being SJW products, though. This isn't hard to understand.
Jackson Morales
No fucking way the whole crowd will be full of paid shills or dangerhaired landwhales, all the old SW fans moved on.
Jeremiah Peterson
There were articles about how Solo was going to feature the first female droid in Star Wars, forgetting both the torture droid from ROTJ and the Trade Fed protocol droid from TPM. These people don't even watch the fucking movies, let alone get into any of the EU material.
Joseph Morgan
>single student mishap Yeah, nothing says single mishap like all your students dying and your work being destroyed
Hunter Ward
Someone post the Stackpole vs Wendig comparison image.
Austin Ward
>A hyperspace ship would slide off it and disintegrate. No, a hyperspace ship would fly in hyperspace, ignoring any physical objects and deflector shields in real space. TLJ writers had no clue about the sci-fi in the sci-fi sequel they were writing that's all.
Daily reminder that the entirety of the ST so far takes place within approximately five fucking days
Dominic Sullivan
>Fucks over Disney >Fucks over George Lucas >Fucks over Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford >Fucks over Carrie Fisher beyond the grave >Fucks over all of the new actors that aren't Daisy Ridley >Gets away with all of it because "muh womyn" card The antichrist is real, Anons. There's a jew out there who out-jewed the fucking Mouse.
Yeah it really shows that there was no plan at the start. Honesty I give JJ more shit that Rian, but mainly I'm annoyed that Disney didn't just give the trilogy to one fucker so the vision for the trilogy was consistent.
I don't mind a story about Luke becoming disillusioned and having a crisis of faith, but that's something that could have been built on in TFA. Instead TFA just tells you that he's "missing" with no explanation, then Rian had to come up with some reason why he wouldn't be helping everyone. I guess the "map to Luke" JJ shat out might just be the map Luke used to find the first temple, but that's really unclear.
What could have been, eh?
Jaxon Perry
Fuck Last Jedi was so bad, I'd have watched a jar jar origins story instead.
Liam Howard
Its not shoehorned because its good, it is a good piece of constructive criticism. Makes us question the morality of the OT and ads to the universe. Str wars can be about anything its a vehicle, the movies main focus is good vs evil but that doesn’t require to be the center point of all star wars media because that would be extremely boring
Jayden Gonzalez
>argues with some mouthbreather that doesn't give him proper arguments >doesn't respond at all to the people that gives him credible arguments Here's your (you)
Pretty sure you could hyperspace into stars and planets if you didn't get your coordinates right. Pretty sure someone said something about blind jumps in one of the movies. And the kessel run was a series of lightspeed jumps AROUND a cluster of black-holes. If it was in a different space then you could go straight through.
Easton Butler
Last Jedi is a Star Wars movie where all characters were JarJars.
Adam Hall
>Its not shoehorned because its good Agree to disagree, I guess.
Angel Bailey
>Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?
>b-b-but it’s only a children’s book! “No!” >There indeed lay Thorin Oakenshield, wounded with many wounds, and his rent armour and notched axe were cast upon the floor. He looked up as Bilbo came beside him. >"Farewell, good thief," he said. "I go now to the halls of waiting to sit beside my fathers, until the world is renewed. Since I leave now all gold and silver, and go where it is of little worth, I wish to part in friendship from you, and I would take back my words and deeds at the Gate." >Bilbo knelt on one knee filled with sorrow. "Farewell, King under the Mountain!" he said. "This is a bitter adventure, if it must end so; and not a mountain of gold can amend it. Yet I am glad that I have shared in your perils – that has been more than any Baggins deserves." >"No!" said Thorin. "There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. But sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell!" >Then Bilbo turned away, and he went by himself, and sat alone wrapped in a blanket, and, whether you believe it or not, he wept until his eyes were red and his voice was hoarse. He was a kindly little soul. Indeed it was long before he had the heart to make a joke again.
This is the scene at the borders of most european countries, these days.
David Lee
>Wendig complains about the negative reviews for his Aftermath series books >When literally NO ONE had heard of him before he was licensed as a Star Wars writer >And his actual pre-Star Wars works are even worse then his current ones God it hurts.
Charles Mitchell
>REEEEE- LUKE SKYWALKER WASNT EXACTLY HOW I WANTED HIM TO BE IN THE LAST JEDI AND I CANT ACCEPT THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE FOR THE WORSE OVER THE YEARS! LUKE SKYWALKER MUST BE THE PERFECT HUMAN OR BUST!
Lucas himself came up with the idea of Luke alone on an island but he intended him to be meditating and trying to center and find himself, and then get called back into action right away by Kira, whom he actually trains in an affectionate master and student manner and not whatever fucking shit happened in TLJ.
herkily jerkily herkily jerkily, to grandma's house we go!!
Landon Ramirez
>Force sensitive dianoga >Female >She wasn't trying to fucking eat Luke It was a pran- I mean baptism bro >Breasts were decanonized for THIS I was happier thinking this wasn't a thing.
Eli Garcia
>Do you miss the EU?
No. For every good character like Luke there were hundreds of stupid shit like werewolves and Hutt Jeddi. The entire thing needed to be gassed.
No, it is factually a great story and a great game. Your contrarianism and unwillingness to admit that it brings something new to the table in a good way for star wars is blinding you from experiencing a great piece of modern entertainment
Eli Ward
>Marvel Star Wars has almost always uniformly bad art, weird proportional hiccups, and is headed by female artists and writers who have little to no experience God I'm glad I still have everything from Dark Horse in my home in mint condition. Dark Horse Star Wars > Disney/Marvel Star Wars.
Empire, Rebellion, Empire, Legacy, Republic/Clone Wars, Dark Times, god I miss those times reading that stuff as a teenager in high school during the wait for Episode 3.
Jason Scott
KOTOR 2’s take on the world is in line with what the movies portrayed. The ideal figure was a Jedi who disobeyed the order and instead preferred to act with morality but unbound by the Jedi Code, such as Luke or a Light Side Exile.
People will whine about Kreia and how she's an author's mouthpiece but her philosophy isn't inherently wrong, it's her personal philosophy and isn't being touted as truth in the game, she's the FUCKING VILLAIN OF THE ENTIRE GAME, and she is revealed to be manipulative and lying.
That said, Kreia's philosophy still holds some truth in Star Wars. She views the Exile as incredibly important to the future of the galaxy, so she tries to convey to them the importance of casting off reliance on belief systems. She isn't trying to force the Exile to be Dark Side (on the contrary, she often criticizes brutish, thuggish actions as being idiotic and pointless) and she isn't trying to convince them to become neutral fuckheads (apathy is death, after all). She's trying to teach them not to farm Light Side or Dark Side points mindlessly but to act in the way that's best in the moment. Not what the Jedi or the Sith say is right.
Her idea isn't to abandon belief systems (she has some, herself) but not to elevate them above oneself. This is important even for Light Side users, because when you elevate a belief above yourself you're also likely to elevate the belief above others. Zaalbar's a good example, since a Dark Side Revan can convince him to kill Mission because of his life debt. Zaalbar kills the person he cares about most in the world because he values his belief system above himself and others, and it only causes suffering for him, his loved ones, and the galaxy as a whole.
Luke Skywalker disobeyed his Jedi mentors and what their teachings told him to try to redeem his father. He succeeded and saved the galaxy where all the other Jedi had failed. He cast off the belief system of the Jedi Order and acted with a pure heart.
The navicomputer exists to charter a course through hyperspace. It's not just an empty dimension, it's a network of what are essentially veins in space. The navicomputer also needs to calculate the exit point for coming out of hyperspace, or you could in fact emerge within a star. Also is that description of the Kessel Run from the new movie made after the canon has been shat up to oblivion, or before? Kessel was full of black holes and hard to navigate back in X-Wing Alliance but I don't know how much Solo fucked the concept up.
Jaxson Wright
>generic mary sue self-insert badass vs. actual character
no wonder autistic fans prefer the former
Ryan Clark
Holy shit. If Dobson applied for a Marvel job now, he’d be pretty high up the pecking order if this is their standard
The Hutt "Jedi" was a one-story thing that was by a one-shot writer in the franchise who never returned after Planet of Twilight was released, retard.
Oh I am very aware. Lucas is at his best with ideas and concepts but Disney under the aegis of people like Kennedy, Johnson, and Abrams have no excuse for how poorly executed, incoherent, and contradictory TFA and TLJ are with each other.
Hell do you remember how people were intrigued about Snoke? Well he's not a factor Episode IX, Kylo has lost like twice to Rey already, and Luke and Han are dead. What the fuck is there to look forward to IX with Finn being a retard again and Rose appearing in her second film?
Oliver Bailey
>like werewolves You mean like the ones shown at the cantina in Episode IV?
Hudson Cruz
It is kind of irrelevant since we live in an era where anyone with a youtube channel or twitter with just enough followers will trigger people working for Lucasfilm and Disney. Look at how some people have actually gained e-fame just for constantly hounding on Star Wars and Disney and NEVER letting up and eventually the rats who work for the company start noticing, Pablo Hidalgo and Wendig, and even Johnson for example have traded blows with pissed John Q Public on twitter.
Liam Price
I never really gave a shit about the post-movie part of the EU, never read any of the books about Thrawn or the new Jedi order or the Yuuzhan Vong, but I did play a fuck load of Star Wars vidya and read a lot of the comics, stuff that fleshed out the Clone Wars and Civil War, and just little side stories. I'd take the EU any day, goofy shit included. There were decades worth of stories that created an entire universe to explore, bigger than probably any other work of fiction, and the dumber stuff was basically drowned out. It was very easy to ignore what you didn't care about or even disregard the canon works entirely and just enjoy the general "flavor", the cool ships and planets and characters.
Disney Wars is an incestuous clusterfuck by comparison, which actively cannibalizes elements of the old EU and still manages to make the setting feel tiny. It's already got shit in it that's as retarded as the worst of the EU anyway. >starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Omi
Thomas Sanchez
See
Josiah Sanchez
>those faces Nothing makes sense anymore.
Parker Miller
It might have been a description from some EU shit. It was well, well before the nu-trilogy, and even before the prequel trilogy. It was from this old star wars guide I had about 20 years ago.
Jaxon Smith
I didn't care to see a perfect Luke, but the way the story handles him feels like an odd contrivance so obviously written ex post facto it's glaring and distracting. How, did Leia and Luke of all people, fail so thoroughly in their perception? Snoke took Kylo right out from under their fucking noses. The prequels used a similar outline, but Palpatine was a politician making power plays that kept the Jedi distracted and Anakin suitably vulnerable to his influence. (Even in the prequels it's a bit of a stretch, but there's a sensible foundation there even if the execution is weak). Snoke got into Ben's head so deeply that it gave Luke an outright spook when he took a look, and yet it took him this long to do something about it? How? Why?
I get that people want to believe in the best versions of those they love, and that would extend to Luke and Ben too, but Luke of all people would understand the importance of equanimity. It's hard to believe he wouldn't be more proactive about it with Ben. And the movie's explanation for it is the real kicker: Luke bought into his own hype of "mighty Skywalker blood." What fucking mighty Skywalker blood? His dad who was a genocidal cyborg for a ruthless empire? His understanding of his father should make him LESS complacent, not fucking more. And ALL of this, ALL of it, is to conveniently write out the Jedi and leave Rey in a position not unlike the one Luke had also occupied in the OT. It's not even in service of fresh story beats. It's a tacked on explanation to justify seeing the same shit over again.
Leo Collins
To be honest I find that less interesting in concept than what we got. I just wish what we got was expanded on, it felt a little "sprung" when it could have been lead into really well in TFA if there had been an actual through-line for the series.
As an idea I'm much more interested in how these characters can change in 30 years than "they're basically the same, just older" that so many seem to want. I was a bit annoyed JJ made Han a smuggler again in TFA. It was sort of justified as him "coping" with what happened to his son, but it still felt like undue regression and OOC I know that JJ just wanted to give people something familiar.
Juan Long
let's not pretend George doesn't make it readily apparent how fucking butthurt he is that people didn't like the prequels.
I can see him doing the same shit were of the social media era.
Cameron Cruz
I'm pretty sure it was criticizing the OT too man, because at the end of the day OT was still good vs evil. Luke also had no real direct knowledge of how the Jedi Order behaved, he just followed what he believed (which is standard good guy stuff in the end) and was only able to turn Vader because his ass was getting zapped by mad bad and crazy Sheev.
I am just hoping the last season of Clone Wars is made undisturbed by Didney. From my understanding, most of the scripts and story boards are done, they even have some of the voice acting done, but it wasn't completed.
I found it boring and heavy-handed. I don't care if you think I'm "denying myself" anything. You can call me contrarian, I'll call you tasteless.
Bentley Harris
>He cast off the belief system of the Jedi Order Not really. Yoda and Obi-Wan believed Vader to be beyond saving because they didn't have the lens into him that Luke did. Luke redeeming Vader says more about Luke and Vader's relationship than it does about Obi-Wan or Yoda.
George didn't call anyone a racist, sexist or 'manbaby' nor a Drumpf supporter for not enjoying his movies. At most I remember him complaining that there were people who wanted Star Wars to be heavy and serious stuff like Terminator and forgot they were kids movies. Of course George himself seemed to forget this with Ep III I guess.
Lucas Rogers
They should be, like you said, most of the scripts were made before Disney bought them so it should basically be the old Clone Wars.
But knowing Disney they'll try to add in a Rebels tie-in or something and ruin the whole thing.
>star wars should never try to be anything other than good guys good, bad guys bad! >calls others tasteless
Kayden Ramirez
>EU Luke is a borderline Gary Stu who married a Mary Sue wife Fixed. I don't like nuLuke but let's not suddenly pretend the EU was any good.
Christopher White
Ah okay. I seem to recall that the original description of the Falcon's ability to make the run "in 12 parsecs" that Lucas came up with after everyone corrected him that parsec is a measurement of distance, not time, was that the Falcon's sublight speed is so high that it can manage closer calls with the event horizons of black holes without being significantly pulled off course. So the Falcon could make a shorter trip through the black hole infested area of space because of its tremendous speed. It had nothing to do with hyperspace travel.
Jonathan Rodriguez
>calling people who enjoy one of the best written games ever tasteless >”IM NOT A CONTRARIAN”
Kennedy, I think, is a serious problem and needs to be removed. But give the entire trilogy I feel like either JJ or Rian could have pulled something great out, well, JJ could have pulled something safe and OK out and Rian would probably have done something more interesting but controversial.
But they should never have been given "you do this one, he'll do that one" orders. It's be like giving one to Micheal Bay and one to Edgar Wright, they clearly just don't gel together.
Honestly how they took Snoke out I actually liked quite a lot since he was a boring sock puppet character. And Kylo, to be fair, didn't lose a second time, but he did "conveniently" get knocked out to give Rey time to run away after the lightsaber blew up. Which was also dumb.
Rose I hope dies of syphilis between movies. But for IX I'm interested if only because I don't know what they'll do. Granted, it's JJ again so he'll pander like fuck, play it really safe, and we'll probably leave vaguely satisfied but completely unfulfilled narratively.
I've basically written this trilogy off, I think. But not because of all the memes surrounding TLJ, because of how terribly mismanaged the Sequels have been from the get go. Kennedy carries that one.
Benjamin Hill
>George didn't call anyone a racist, sexist or 'manbaby' nor a Drumpf supporter for not enjoying his movies.
No one is saying that everyone who dislikes NuWars is racist or sexist, but there is absolutely a racist, sexist, and alt-right subculture within nuwars hatred and you're delusional or dishonest if you pretend otherwise.
Matthew Evans
Wrong, EU Luke was far from perfect and the new Jedi academy had its share of failures. Even his nephew fell to the dark side.
Alexander Carter
>If I hammer high school philosophy homework into my Star Wars that definitely will elevate it! Nah. I don't care if I'm a contrarian or not. I don't really know what the consensus on KotoR II's story is among Star Wars fans. I don't care for its story and never have.
Ethan Gutierrez
>but there is absolutely a racist, sexist, and alt-right subculture within nuwars hatred
Honestly I feel about the same, but everyone I know (including myself) that loves the old stuff and hates the new still thinks Rogue One was pretty damn good. It certainly shouldn't be lumped in with the sequel triliogy and solo garbage. I mean I legit went in with the intention of hating Rogue One, and it won me over in the first 15-20 minutes.
Jose Green
Luke did however know what the Jedi wanted of him. Yoda and Obi-Wan wanted Vader and the Emperor conquered and killed; and Luke chose instead to save his father from himself, and in upholding his own maxim he brought the Sith dynasty to an end.
Daniel Smith
that's the only part of it I didn't like
Jeremiah Evans
I could see some things being shoved in, but with no major impact on the story. At least all of the annoying characters from Rebels were not even born or are too young to have any major impact.
Who cares if it's a one shot? It was still canon and hurt the universe lore. EU needed to be trimmed for a reason.
Hunter Hill
Yeah, that was kind of like the thing that I read. A parsec is a unit of distance, so doing the run in fewer parsecs means taking a route closer t o the black holes. Where everyone else would have made maybe 5 jumps in a very long way around it, Han would have made lots of short jumps very close, but effectively covering less distance. So I suppose hyperspace is in a separate space but you're effected by things at the entry and exit points. You wouldn't crash into something unless you accidentally set your exit inside something, or too close to it.
Ian Kelly
Fucking Kennedy killed it
Landon Russell
We literally see them in the Falcon you retard
John Johnson
I'm pretty sure there were racists back when ESB was released who didn't appreciate Lando being a successful rich businessman.
Leo Jackson
>Drumpft isn't a racist, look at this black woman who looked at him!
Again, I'm not saying that there aren't people who just didn't like the movie. But there are absolutely bad faith political actors or racists among the hatedom.
Carter Edwards
He closed black holes, user. Also you suspiciously didn't deny Mara Jade.
Anthony Bennett
What is that even supposed to prove? There will be drug-dealing gang-members who traffick underage sex slaves among the people who hate Trump. Does that make everyone who hates Trump cool?
Lucas Rogers
>I'm not a sexist because I hate Rey, I LOVE Mara Jade, Bastila, and Ahsoka! >See? I like the kawaii uguu waifubait characters who exist mostly to just be subservient and/or love interests to the male hero!
Jose Reed
God I want to tongue-punch Ahsoka's turd-cutter.
Jaxson Collins
And there's a racist, sexist, alt-left subculture within the pro-nuwars subculture and you're delusional if you pretend otherwise.
Chase King
E;R, one of the most popular anti-NuWars youtubers, has a ton of racist shit in his videos and people seal clap when he calls JJ "JewJew"
That was almost good bait but you ruined it with the inclusion of Ahsoka. But you get a (You) because of the "almost" -part.
Nicholas Powell
Being OP doesn't mean a Gary Stu, user. If anything, Kyle Katarn was a Gary Stu. Also, Mara died.
Easton Turner
>i like the characters who are actually well written and are whole characters, rather than fanfic garbage written shit who doesn't even amount to a character eat an asshole you dense nigger, jesus christ.
Aaron Long
And I'm sure some of the popular rabid supporters of the nu-trilogy have plenty of #yesallmen, "rape men" and "kill all whites" in their other stuff. It's a poor argument.
E;R is also a brainlet that has no idea of what the term Mary Sue means. Kind of like the retards who think EU Luke or Kyle are one
Hudson Gutierrez
It's almost like turning a 40 year old franchise that has historically had a mostly white audience into anti-white, anti-male propaganda has consequences or something!
Not him, but Mara is quite out of her depth in the Thrawn Trilogy; her introduction. People seem to be trawling wikis and seeing the accumulation of 20 or so books, and again attributing power as the end all pointer to what a Mary Sue is.
Evan Brooks
Because Star Trek fucking sucks to begin with (there's a reason it's been a dead franchise for almost 30 years) and the worst thing you could say about his ST movies was that he was trying too hard to be Star Wars rather than Star Trek
William Parker
That's not starkiller dipshit that's the clone.
Cameron Jenkins
kek
Elijah Howard
It’s worse, he’s inferior to them. Compare TLJ Luke with his masters. Obiwan and Yoda were wanted men who were actively hunted by the Empire for all their exile. Luke was a war hero to the New Republic, something that was the dominant power for most of his exile. Obiwan and Yoda jumped into action when the opportunity arrived. TLJ Luke didn’t. Luke’s masters had things much harder yet responded far better. He’s inferior to his masters.
John Sanchez
You're being disingenuous and if you assume anything about my political or ideological stances for pointing that out you are also a hypocrite.
Xavier Robinson
See, that you think the movies are anti-white or anti-male in the first place kind of outs you as a hysterical racist/sexist but of course you're never going to admit it due to your malignant narcissism
Jack Martinez
>Mara >Sue The same character that fucked to a force choke so bad that the target initially thought he’d done his collar up too tight? The one who was genuinely surprised when Thrawn backstabbed her despite knowing him? The one who seriously didn’t grasp that Palpatine might not be honest with her? The one who barely anyone actually likes because of her abrasive and arrogant nature? That character?
Mason Rogers
Name at least one (1) male protagonist of any SW media that is ugly as fuck or looks less like a model and more like Porkins. Hard mode: His ugliness must not be caused by scars or being a dark side addict
Julian Kelly
You’re tarring vast amounts of people with one brush because of a select we examples you dishonest faggot. Of course i’m going to treat you like a fucking retard.
Henry Sanchez
>Diversity token >Ever dying They'll kill Chewie before they kill Lando.
Nathaniel Hill
is snoke a force projection too?
William Moore
>You’re tarring vast amounts of people with one brush because of a select we examples you dishonest faggot. No, he's explained several times how that is precisely not what he's doing, so you are in fact the dishonest faggot. Or, to put it differently, don't you think it is possible to acknowledge that Yea Forums is full of dishonest faggots without condemning the ones who aren't?
Samuel Sullivan
Nope, Snoke is just fuckin dead and that was absolutely the right decision. He was a dead-end character with absolutely nothing to him.
Jose Flores
>Mara Jade >someone who had her shit repeatedly pushed in for her overconfidence >someone who had to get character development
Jacob Nelson
>he Oh fuck off and cry about some retard making new jokes more
>He was a dead-end character with absolutely nothing to him. I agree with this, but the fact he was so unceremoniously killed off just makes it that much more obvious what a shitty, lazy idea he was. Being cut out of the story doesn't redress how contrived he is.
Luis Sullivan
I knoooow they absolutely went nowhere with him like holy fuck
Joseph Collins
What was that about tarring people with the same brush, now?
You're not even trying to avoid being a hypocrite.
Aaron Baker
>unceremoniously
It was one of the most climactic parts of the film that was the culmination of Kylo's entire arc up to that point.
I’m tarring you with the brush you picked up because I don’t believe your pathetic excuses. Jesus you can’t even ride the high horse without fucking it up.
Juan Jackson
Unceremoniously might have been the wrong word, but that's my point, though. His death was just fodder for Kylo.
Did you forget the closeup shot of Snoke's corpse derp face?
Isaac Davis
Star Trek is a horribly managed franchise. I would prefer it remain dead than the new timeline we got. I get that it isn't for everyone, but peak trek is not terrible by a longshot.
Tyler White
Like I said, assuming shit about me just because I disagree with you is the most hypocritical thing you could have possibly done. And yet you insisted. You also can't even seem to argue the actual points.
If you divide the entire population into only two halves, which ever half you are on you are going to share with a fuck of a lot of people you hate.
Colton Adams
And you’re STILL pretending to be someone else. I know it’s near page ten and you want the last word but this is sad.
Hudson Watson
Single blade is probably the most classic choice, and the one most people would be comfortable with. Dual Saber would probably be fairly difficult to learn how to use effectively and seems like you'd need to be continually on the offensive. Staff also seems like it would be hard to learn, but the extra reach would probably be nice in some cases.
Levi Walker
I am, in fact, someone else. I have no reason to pretend to be him other than to soothe your paranoia.
And that was the best thing they could have done. He was a nothing character to begin with.
Revealing he was Darth Icky or whatever might have been nice for a wookieepedia article but it wouldn't have helped the dramatic stakes or narrative of the film.
Character development is a bad word, user. It suggests that people need to improve and that they aren't perfect just the way they are.
Jaxson Sanchez
>And that was the best thing they could have done. He was a nothing character to begin with. Like I said, I don't disagree with that. But it doesn't really correct the story's faults so much as just minimize them. It highlights what a fundamentally terrible idea Snoke was.
Daniel Gomez
>Luke vs Jake
>Snoke's death >climatic His character was underwhelming, had no menace or intimidation factor to him and his removal/death was telegraphed blatantly because Rian like JJ can't into subtly or nuances. And immediately after that Kylo needs help fighting the guards with Rey and losses to her again, neutering any "development" he derived from it.
b-b-but Lucas is BASED and it's DISNEY'S fault we don't have good Star Wars games!
Logan Martin
Disney shill begone.
Daniel Rivera
What about the making of books for the films? They had lists of changes he made at the suggestion of others.
Joshua Gutierrez
>i'm not saying he was a jerk or a tyrant No, he would have literally been a tyrant. Tyrants aren't automatically evil, but they do enforce their will.
