Was the real life Wild West actually like RDR?

>gives up his posse in order to shack up with a bunch of men
>not WE_ARE_FREE_OF_TITTIES,_ARTHUR.jpg

Fucking whoops guess that's what I get for phone posting using swype and not spellchecking

But were they RED dead?

And was there any REDEMPTION?

For most people, life was pretty boring. Most of the time. Events like train robberies, duels, cowboy gangs, skirmishes with natives, happened on a pretty slow scale of time. Remember that we're talking about decades of history here. People try to roll them into one small time period, but that's inaccurate.

Also no one cares about accuracy because the western is like 85% myth.

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>wild west
>cowboys and INDIANS
Yes, plenty of them were RED. Also, they redeemed the shit out of their land.

>was real life actually like [video game based on movies made by Italian people based on movies made by Americans based on travelling shows based on myths and legends]?

Yes.

>tfw probably more killings in a single year in detroit than the entire span of the wild west's history

>mfw i forgot my state mandated ar-15 and get attacked by breasts

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>267 murders in Detroit in 2017
How the fuck does the Detroit meme still get spewed like this?

Yeah pretty much. Remember that the most famous gunfight of the Wild West, the OK Corral, lasted about 30 seconds.

I read a statistic from some academic paper which pointed to a 1 in 20 murder rate in one year. in Renaissance period Rome.
And they didn't count feuds or duels. And there wasn't an assault on the city that year.
Honestly Detroit's far and away from the most dangerous place by murder rates. The city has a high black population, and people point to Detroit instead of statistical averages by smaller locations (burroughs, neighbourhoods, etc), because it's easier to signify violence and murder as being the fault of black communities. Instead of addressing the problem at the city-block level, which shows a much greater association with poverty, uneducation, unemployment, etc.

But particularly American conservatives/libertarians like to downplay poverty, because it reminds them that they're only one or two cheques away from moving in with the very same people they hate.

I vaguely recall a shitpost that said something like "the story of the west is the closest thing to an 'Epic' like the odyssey or iliad that the west will have."

Anyone know what the fuck Im talking about?

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>he doesn't know
user, bigger areas in the wild west had an average of 3 murders a year. Detroit had 303 murders in 2016. Hence it more likely had more murders in a single year than all of the Wild West combined. Murder rates were low as fuck in the Wild West...

>tfw there's an obscure Western author I like and he has like 80 books with 9 or 10 different protagonists all in the same universe but nobody reads him but me so I have no one to discuss the lore with
I've started working on a timeline of the events in his books as a personal project.

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>which shows a much greater association with poverty, uneducation, unemployment, etc
Don't want to get too /pol/ on this, but some of the safest places in the US are poor, uneducated white neighborhoods. There is an undeniable correlation to race when you look at real statistics. But lets just ignore that because we can't be "racist".

Who? I just started reading blood meridian and need more Western novels, preferably as graphic as Cormac McCarthy's writing

Because it was an untamed wilderness, largely uncivilized by the common white man and thus appeared "wild" to them.

Peter Brandvold
If you actually look into him I recommend starting with the Cuno Massey series

>conservatives/libertarians like to downplay poverty
>about 2.5 times as many poverty stricken blacks vs whites
>about 30 times as many homicides committed by blacks vs whites

On what level is 267 a low number?
My entire country doesn't come close to that.

Depends on who you ask for actual gunfights but people did used to go about armed a lot more.

>267 murders in a single city in 2017
>less than 550 murders in the entire state of NY in 2017
>almost half of NY of all places
I wonder why people refer to Detroit...

real wild west had more giant robot spiders

Definitely not as crazy as moves and games, but there was certainly some cool shit. Billy the Kid for example broke out of jail, killed some cops, and got hunted down by the sheriff. He had a gang of cattle rustlers and was rather notorious for a time. Sadly, the only reason he was an outlaw to begin was that he was one of the people singled out during a small 'war' in which he killed some dude for killing the guy who took him in and tried to give him a good life.

The whole story is pretty interesting and is something they could honestly make a film/game about while being rather accurate to the source material.

Yes these small towns some had a murder/death rate higher than modern shit cities, think LA, Detroit and pre millennium NY

bruh there have been several movies about billy the kid. another one is coming out this year

I understood that revolvers in those days weren't actually any good for standoffs they were more used for walking up behind someone in a crowded saloon and shooting them in the back.

Billy the Kid is a goddamn hero and Pat Garrett can suck my dick

>mfw venezuelan
>ameripussies actually think this is a horrible nightmarish post apocalyptic statistic

lmao save me

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DESPITE

Right, which is why a revolver would be a poor choice for protection. If you want someone to die before confronting you, you'd carry a rifle. If you were trying to underhandedly kill someone, you'd carry a revolver. So since there were tons more people that were just trying to protect themselves, you'd expect more rifles.

Why were revolvers shit? Just poor accuracy?

If you got a revolver you won't get close enough to a man with a rifle.
Alternatively if you only got a knife you won't get close enough to a man with a revolver.

The elements picked into Red Dead were mostly movie-authentic i.e there's real history underneath but like the others say, very exaggerated.

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414 murders in Australia from 2016 - 2017 accross 8 major citites and 24 million people

on what fucking planet do you think that 267 murders in a single US city is okay?

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Fuck off avatarfag

>was it like RDR
no
>did ordinary people carry carbine rifles with them wherever they went?
no. only actual travellers or cowboys would be armed and it was usually pistols. the average townsman and woman would not be armed
>were things like train robberies a thing
absolutely. stagecoach robbery, train robbery, and horse/cattle rustling were the most common crimes commited by gangs
>were duels in broad daylight a thing?
no, thats a total hollywood/video game thing

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niggers, everyone

A lot of towns had strict gun control, think like the movie Unforgiven where sheriffs and deputies would disarm you and give it back on the way out.

>Did ordinary people carry carbine rifles with them wherever they went?
Several town had harsher no gun laws than today
>Were things like train robberies and duels in broad daylight common occurrences?
Train robberies? Sure, actual duels? Happened but not like that, they did it like back in the 18th centure, meaning back to back, count their steps, turned around and shot.

that isn't avataring, you nitwit.

I'm no expert but from a bit of research I did:

>People back then didn't usually use revolvers because the cylinder gap would burn your hand so revolvers were only used by professionals typically.
>Gun laws back then were actually more strict than they are now
>there was a very little amount of settlers that actually died from Native American attacks. In around the 100,000 or so people that traveled to the west only around 400 or so were actually killed by Natives
>robbing a bank isn't as easy as the games and movies make it out to be, because cities were still very small back then robbing a bank would be literal suicide as it was very likely that a Sheriff was closeby
> a lot of the so called "wild west killers" were fabricated, for example Billy the Kid didn't even kill 8 people. Look it up

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can you get in fights with M*rmons in RDR2

>Gun laws back then were actually more strict than they are now

I read about that, cities and villages in the "Wild West" actually had gun bans within city limits.

I wonder what her wet snatch would smell like after a long hard cross country horseback ride.

Imagine the bush.

Haha ew

Nope. In reality, Wild West is boring and dull. Even the gunfights are more like shooting wildly at your enemies rather than perfect one shoot.

FUCK this got me

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>Avatarfagging the posterboy of RDR2 aka protagonist in the single player mode....

Heh heh retard

Will do

Modern Juarez is much more wild than this shit, just spend a day there.

shooting normal loads in an SAA would only burn your hand if you put your other hand over it like a fucking retard, and you can even use two hands like a modern grip style without doing that, though not very efficiently
I'd imagine a lot people negligent discharged especially riding horses if they didn't know how guns worked though/weren't told about it ahead of time

They loaded 5 rounds into the chamber and kept the hammer on an empty chamber. No negligent discharges that way. Also... Single action... Impossible to negligent discharge without pulling hammer back.

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This. If I recall correctly, revolvers and pistols were actually a more expensive investment than a rifle was. Revolvers don't have a lot of utility outside of shooting other people, whereas a rifle could be used for hunting, etc.

For immediate self defense a pistol was a more convenient and comfortable choice to lug around than a rifle in your daily life. T. carried a rifle around in the army sometimes a machinegun but we're mainly talking about rifles here

and
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Sure, but most people back then weren't wandering around expecting to get into duels. The Wild West wasn't quite as lawless / dangerous as it's made out to be in fiction.

I lost orz

>great thread so far
>see his screenshot
>thread turns to shit
avatarfags need to be ip banned permanently

you can discharge an saa with the hammer uncocked if its on a loaded round

Oh I agree, just remarking that in cities / towns it would make more sense to have a pistol holstered on you than a rifle / shotgun slung across the back.

maybe getting so upsetti spaghetti about a harmless screenshot is ruining the thread more than the screenshot

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this
>Wild Bill Hickok was a glorifed wallmart security guard who claimed to have killed a bunch of people and being an all around bad ass
>get's shot in the back of the head playing poker.

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RDR2 made me notice, that John has short legs. Kinda sucks that clothes don't look as good on him as on Arthur.

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you tell em user, those are rookie numbers

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>Did ordinary people carry carbine rifles with them wherever they went?
Imagine thinking this shouldn't be the normal state of things

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he has a way smaller frame than arthur, and his beard is shit, and black hair is shit, and his face looks goofy compared to rdr1 john

Wait till you lot take a look at Chicago

Why didn't you ask on /his/?

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Because /his/ would tell him to get his ass back to Yea Forums or Yea Forums

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>avatarfag posts
>thread dies
god bless

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No, in the real west nothing ever happened and everyone died of cholera.

Or tuberculosis

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What? Are you a shill for that niggerland? Yes its fucking true you numbskull idiot, are you from europe?

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> Yea Forums please teach me history
This feels like a bad choice.

The only actual *cute* girl I remember being in this game was the crossdressing lion tamer's assistant

Sally Nash? Yeah she's cute
Rule 34 has a comic of her being raped by a tiger but she likes it

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It's annoying you can't get this outfit to look like ti does here in the actual game.

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>some of the safest places in the US are poor, uneducated white neighborhoods.
Are you talking about a few hicks in the middle of nowhere? Even a trailer park isnt half as dense as a city. And my experience of my reneck neighbor about to shoot me at night cause i rode my bike during a power outage would disagree, but anecdotes and assholes.

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>tfw you can't give her the Jimmy Brooks pen so she can start writing her trashy love stories

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RDR is based on spaghetti western romanticization of the American Old West, not actual history.

I let Jimmy Brooks live to grab the pen and then shot him in the head afterward. Then found out that the particular pen doesn't count for Mary Beth's item request Regardless of whether I'm going for a honorcuck or edgefag run I kill him because fuck leaving witnesses alive

Pretty much this. That's why people like Jesse James, Wyatt Earp, Billy the Kid, etc. Are typically regarded as legends. They were small sparks in a really dull and miserable period, but that was a lot to the common people.

Genuinely what compels you to post the same string of images in every single RDR2 thread? That is not normal behaviour at all.

I never played RDR but this is a true story.

My great grandmother raised 12 kids by herself in a one room log cabin up in the hills. And I don't mean one room, as in "one bedroom". I mean one room. Period. It was about the size of a 2 car garage. There was just enough room for some beds and 2 dressers. Of those 2 dressers, each kid got half of a drawer to themself for clothes and toys. That was all they had room for.

She wore a dress, hard leather boots, and carried a .22 Winchester rifle with her every where she went. Everything she had, she either made herself, killed herself, or traded for. So if she didn't have it, and couldn't trade for it, she learned to do without it.

She chewed snuff every single day of her life from the age of 8, when a doctor prescribed it to her for her asthma, to the day she died, at 93 years old. And even then, she didn't die from cancer or anything like that. She died cause she slipped in the shower, broke her hip, and the doctors refused to operate on her because they thought her body couldn't handle going through recovery.

She was the spitting image of Granny Clampet in nearly every way. Feisty, ornery, tough as nails and twice as mean. Everybody in the family often teased her and asked her if she ever had a suitor from hollywood because the two were so much alike. I still watch the beverly hillbillies when I miss her. And I miss her a lot, because in spite of her no nonsense attitude and temperament, she was always good to her family and would do anything or sacrifice anything for them. She was of a rare dying breed and I'm honored to be her descendant. I wish there were more women like her.

I don't know if any of this answers your question or gives you any insight, but I would say yes, fiction is often grounded in truth.

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Crimes were pretty rampant yes because the response time in the largely uninhabited west was too long, the authorities would rarely be able to show up in time to stop a crime.
So yeah pretty much everyone carried a gun everywhere in order to defend themself.

Obviously there is a lot of other stuff in RDR games that is not realistic, however.

I work at the night shift so I only really have my phone to post on.

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No most violence in the 19th century in america occurred through the Appalachians, bible belt and Midwest due to family feuding and organized crime, the frontier of the American west was mostly just dangerous because of the American Indian wars, most established towns and settlements out west were far more civil and had a lot less crime due to less population and tremendous economic growth, everyone was to busy being entrepreneurial to be fucking around with other people. Your biggest threat was being raped and murdered by natives.

Just think about how armed and ornery the modern American South is.
I live in some hick crossroad town in KY and just yesterday some guy blew his own brains out inside the gas station.
Nearly everyone has a pistol, at the least. Some residents are armed enough themselves for a small militia.
Rednecks will swap and pass pistols around like they're Pokémon cards.
The bank across the gas station got robbed so hard it just fucking closed down.
People who don't have water or electricity or even a fucking job own guns.

Now think about a less educated, harsh, near-lawless time. Firearms were likely more scarce than modern times, but I'm sure they were always in heavy rotation.

Is the clothing RDR2 historically accurate?

button downs like arthurs default shirt werent worn in america other than that its accurate

And you spend your time on Yea Forums

>Arthur's default shirt
Why is it eternally dirty?

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I'm from Brasil. Let me help you, bro

Well tell us the author then you mong.

wild as in undiscovered

celebrity dicksuckers everyone

blame the italians. i dont, i love spaghetti films.

Your point?

>Rednecks will swap and pass pistols around like they're Pokémon cards.
>I can't unsee the image of rednecks in a circle showing their guns and trading them while looking the ones they don't have

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>>there was a very little amount of settlers that actually died from Native American attacks. In around the 100,000 or so people that traveled to the west only around 400 or so were actually killed by Natives
>mfw ancestor was one of the survivors who had his mother, father and siblings dragged off and slaughtered while their settlement burned to the ground
>marshels found their corpses a mile away buried up to their necks and eyelids cut off and eyes pecked out by crows

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Unlikely. Gun restrictions were tighter back then. You couldn’t enter some towns with guns. Same goes for swords during Middle Ages Europe.

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Your ancerstors cry why they look down on you

You're a fucking retard, I'm not that guy but I can post on Yea Forums from work or pretty much anywhere so you can be a successful / normal person while fucking around on Yea Forums.

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>wild west
>no minority lynching
Safe to say rockstar are hacks

>wild west game
>can't lynch niggers, chinks, blockheads or micks

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thats MP right?
or can you actually do that with bounties in sp?

>spoiling the ending in prerelease screenshots
based rockstar, it's funny because I knew this had to be the case when I saw him in his RDR1 outfit

you actually can.
a chink beat me in poker and I dragged his ass through the town for everyone to see

bounties you bring in alive will be hung publicly three days afterwards in single player

How tight were those restrictions?

wait WHAT

the only exception to this is the snake oil salesman and the black widow but yeah that's how they work
it also includes the guy with the fucked up arm outside of saint denis

anyone else find it really hard to dressup Arthur when his default look is so iconic? He just looks goofy in cutscenes without his hat and ascot.

That's one too few "wild"s there son

I must have at least 10 different outfits for him now including his default outfit. I do think the Legend of the East outfit is the best one, a shame you can't legitimately get it on him.

im assuming more modern rifles would have been too expensive for the average western migrant or whatever so most people probably rolled around with whatever hand-me-down civil war era rifle their daddies held on to, or even older muskets.

I wish they had hanged the black widow. When she was trying to manipulate and sweettalk Arthur when I dragging her ass to jail I had to stop twice on the way to masturbate while imagining her getting the rope.

That one isn't bounty but a murdering hooker you can hogtie and turn in and then watch them hang her.

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Is real life actually like GTA?

women get special treatment, the only reason your pic related got hung was because she was a prostitute serial killer

Having looked at a bunch of records of historical female hangings in the U.S I would disagree.

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man wtf, this game has way more detail than I've seen and I've played through it twice and locked around 150hrs in it so far.
Yea I cant really go out of the way. I always dress him in the same sense at least, just switching shirts or pants.
I actually helped her...

if you bring the guy with the wounded arm to the doctor after your diagnosis the dialogue will change acknowledging that fact

If modern day america is like that then why wouldn't the wild west be like that?

No. 100% of that is from movies.

Absolutely not. I majored in American history and did my thesis on frontier life in the "old west". It was as boring as anything you could possibly imagine.

Based natives removing wh*Toids

No, in fact several frontier cities were notable as some of the earliest practitioners of strict 'gun control' restrictions on right to carry arms. In contrast for the entire rest of the english-speaking world at the time the idea of any general restriction on the 'right' of an individual to carry a revolver in their pocket would have been an incomprehensible absurdity. They were also often 'dry towns' with extreme restrictions on alcohol.

Looks like Norman Reedus

>267
dumb nigger lol, do you think that's normal?

Supposedly guns were super inaccurate and consisted of a bunch of drunk idiots missing or slightly wounding each other for 20 minutes.

>dry towns
RDR2's Strawberry is described as a dry town. Although do carry guns but still.

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>You will never live in the required miserable conditions to become a truly good and strong person

Yet here we are, being nice as long as it's comfortable to do so.

Get the fuck outta here, how do you know?

The wild West is the byproduct of a traveling show that depicted the American West as a place filled with gunslingers and shootouts. In reality it was very boring with little crime (especially for a place that was often lawless) and pretty much everyone trying to eek out a living on farming, livestock, or simple entertainment/services. Although a lot of people died very early due to lack of basic healthcare. That was always your biggest worry back then.

Comfy camp life.

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that's africa tiers

is there firsthand account or is it hearsay? my entire family believes our ancestors were killed in the pigeon roost massacre but I’ve never seen any contemporary evidence of it

Fits the population then

>muh prescribed ((history)) taught me to believe everything in written word, to the letter.
Your education is a joke, btw

This game is fun if you dual wield all the time and give Arthur muttonchops. It's like he and Micah don't get along because there's only room for one in the gang

This, the westerns might as well be in the fantasy genre.

Is the real life Texas actually like No Country for Old Men?

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Cowboys became obsolete with the invention of barbed wire

No that's western fantasy. Most people were borderline enslaved miners or farmhands that weren't allowed to own weapons

Firsthand, it was even mentioned on record during a legal battle between who would be adopting him

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>if only you knew how bad things really were

The sheriff offices were usually located right next to banks, and the 'gun ban' was usually that any new comer in town was required to give his weapons to the sheriff office before being allowed in the city limits.