Here's your final grass evolution bro

holy shit, this actually looks real. but, its obviously fake.

I'd be happy with it

the water starters in general, fire ara about the chinese zodiac animals, and the grass ones are about prehistoric animals, so whats the water starters supposed to be?

No lie, if that were its actual final evolution I wouldn't even be mad, that looks cool as fuck.

>A grass type caveman that is afraid of fire
poetic

personally I think a Sun Wu Kong lookalike would be more fitting but we already have Infernape

Boring

>unga bunga mudslime spearchucker
BASED

Preformers
Grass-drummer
Fire-sports
Water-theatre

Lockstin stole my theory fuck you i posted it on twitter and i swear he used it.

Grass doesn’t really have a real pattern. Water was “amphibious creature” but Sobble broke it.

Looks like gonga

THIS IS NOT GONNA BE REAL

THIS IS NOT

AND YET

I WANT IT SO BAD

SO FUCKING BAD

WHY AM I DESTINED TO SUFFER

WHY

W
H
Y

What about the waifu part

I just want my unga bunga cavemon. It's going to be some fucking pansage/simisage shit.

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waifufags need to be shot on sight
that isn't even remotely related to the ancient animal/dinosaur theme of the grass starters

Soul
Soulless

Props for effort but it's missing the shitty Ash/New Girl reveal scribbles that would confirm it

>nothing to do with music

This would be utter dogshit

isn't it made by the same guy who did this?
people said you could find his signature in the pictures, where?

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glimpse of the worst fucking timeline

next to confidential in that picture
you can kinda make out the watermark

next to the confidential, squint your eyes or open it up in photoshop and up the contrast

bottom right and no he made this one
instagram.com/p/Bukp7MRAucE/

I detest to see that this is what happened to Popplio. I actually liked this starter, but its sequential evolutions are total unexpected trash.

that's too cool to be real, like the rocket bunny from last year

I like the cricket theme a lot more than the caveman one

It might not, depending on the final evo.
NONE of the patterns apply if you're counting every member of the line.

Sounds like it would be perfect for me then

I was hoping for a clown, not even ballio just a clown but instead it was generic mermaid

>Fakemans

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I WANTED IT SO BAD

watch the actual thing be

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Not British enough

I wouldn't mind this being real.

This one can fuck right off.

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Daily reminder

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Of course they don't, because they're bullshit

I'd actually love this, too bad it won't be this

I hate how the new starters go

>Bubble Frog
>Bubblier Frog
>Ninja

Or

>Fire Cat
>Fire-rier Cat
>Wrestler

I think it's some kneejerk gen one pandering or something since Charizard and Blasoise are noticeably different from their previous forms but I fucking hate it. Stick to a damn theme

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Grass was reptiles until Gen 6

I expect at least one of the starter final evos to be like this. I expect all three of them to be furry bait in some form.

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He didnt take that,no

It's a damn shame that Delphox was actually a worse design than Braixen

>Bulba-Saur
>Reptile

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fakemon better than what will be the real design yet again.

rip in piece ballio

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Doesn't have enough unnecessary details

I like the second stage for the water starter. Rest is pretty weak

Psyduck is called psy DUCK but it's neither psychic nor a duck. It's a platypus.

Those are terrible though

then why does it evolve into a duck you fool

>it's neither psychic
Psyduck's whole thing is its latent psychic abilities, just look at its pokedex entries

I liked Decidueye and Incineroar but damn, I would've gladly taken a shitpost clown seal over the shit waifu seal we did.

nani grooke

What universe are you living in where Psyduck is not a duck

>Water was “amphibious creature” but Sobble broke it.

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Those are fantastic. Great silouettes, color schemes and conveying what they should.

The dude has arms with claws, his first attack is scratch, he is fat and doesn't fly. It's clearly a platypus while Farfetch'd is a true duck.

>The gen 7 starter leak turned out to be real so now every "leak" is just gonna copy that format and not even bother to make the image blurry and out of focus

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I'd be down for a cave-man final evo, no fancy tricks or gimmicks, just club everything to death.

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>chameleon = basilisk

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I want this now, just because people keep making a joke about not fucking the monkey and because you guys serious believe Game Freak won't do this.

The fuck are you talking about, grass types never had anything like that. Look at Treeko and Snivy. The last gen grass was an owl, that's not a dinosaur.

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What if we get a caveman as a fossil pokemon?

>UNGA BUNGA CAVEMAN
I FUCKING LOVE IT

>The last gen grass was an owl, that's not a dinosaur.

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>live me
I am too tired for this shit.

Every fake evolution is dumb and I hate anyone why likes them.

its bullshit but that last green one if perfect

Thats pretty good. sadly getting a grug caveman evo is out of our reach.

YES GAMEFREAK LET ME SUCK YOUR DICK ONCE AGAIN, CAN'T WAIT TO BUY GEN 8 AND MASTURBATE TO GALAR AND THE SHITTY SIMPLE STARTERS AND FAP TO THE LOLI AND THE OTHER FAGGOT
OM NOM NOM YES MORE CUM GF PLEASE

Here's the themes.

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I wish. I love it.

What are you naming your monkey Yea Forums?
For me, it's Koba.

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now a monkey sukeban is something i will dig

the water theme isn't weapons, feraligatr, swampert and primarina don't fit into that category

the theme is literally just aquatic life

are there prehistoric owls and whatever the rodent is.

what "weapon" are feraligatr and primarina?

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im betting on sports also
>water evolutions are weapons
elaborate

rodent is giant sloth, owl is ornimegalonyx

brass knuckles, war fans, and morningstar, in that order

>Prehistoric Animals
>Weapons

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Aligator and sex

golduck is a Kappa

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You had me on prehistoric animals and zodiac for grass and fire, but the weapons thing for water is bullshit. If there's been any pattern for water, it's just been semiaquatic animals. It's why we've never gotten a full on fish or squid or something.

nigga what

explain this shit further, where are the brass knuckles and morningstar on feraligatr and primarina

Fire bunny has a bigger dick and higher libido, take that subpokemon ape

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You're going to pull a muscle with this much stretching

post right above you

firebunny is gonna be the female style of this generation and it's going to get APED

That'd be boring as fuck.

le edgy Pokeymans

>Swampert is fans
>Feraligatr is brass knuckles
>Primarina is club

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I still prefer court of Rowlett and Rape Clown to what we got

RIP Ballio
You were gonna be my nigga

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It's both.

no, actually show me where on feraligatr the brass knuckles are and do the same for the morningstar with primarina
don't just post the two pictures next to each other, show me where in the design you've found this. circle it or some shit

I get every other starter, but those two I just don't see

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ant need to die

That's way too good looking to be real

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>firebunny is gonna be the female style of this generation
not this time

what do you mean by genetics? What the Emperor Penguin myth?

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I really want a Starter or Fossil Pokemon whose final evolution is a Grass/Rock Steogsaurus that's tanky and physically strong, and has a signature move involving its thagomizer, something like:

Stone Spike
Rock-type
80 power
90% accurate
20% chance to lower Defense or cause flinch
15 PP

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>Typhlosion is a rat
>Delphox (which literally has fox in the name) is a dog

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>still no behind shot
I thought fakers had learnt their lesson by now? The only concept art I've seen from gen 7 without one is Mareanie which has the excuse of being radially symmetric.

This guy should not be a designer

ah dude he looks awesome

Huh... Foxes are part of the canine family.

The fucking spikes on both there bodies.
Based on Poseidon

These are shit, probably made by the same faggot as that generic panther and Ballio.

but owls are LITERALLY dinosaurs

It actually looks good, even if it is fake.

>no behind shot

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>first form is literally the fire mouse pokemon
It may not be a full mouse in it's final form, but it's still part mouse.

fire has been consistent following a theme, grass broke the chain on gen 7 and water is a wild card

it could be a chainsaw, not brass knucles

So are Tanukis, what's your point?

the prehistoric animals one is nice because they're actually in order from permian to the holocene (with two being from early and then late cretaceous)

wouldn't that make feraligatr more like those poo-in-loo punching dagger things? and I still don't see primarina at all

I still cant believe what happened to that fire evo line

Dilkington

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>pokemon goes bipedal to quadrupedal
>not realizing gamefreak is too lazy to animate this much on a single pokemon

>tiny and not coloured
The gen 7 starters all had large fully coloured behind shots for reference.

>implying owls are birds

Here are all the "leaks" we have so far.

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You're missing the point pretty fucking hard, user. The art the OP posted is reference art that is supposed to be used for the games and anime. The shit on the OP is trying too hard to imitate the reference art for Incineroar and certain other Pokemon which have a ton of silly doodles to them.

Good reference art is supposed to have the Pokemon in various angles in full color.

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Would fit the theme they've been doing recently.

Gen 6 was Mage/Warrior/Rogue
Gen 7 was Archer/Priest/Brawler
Gen 8 Barbarian/?/?

sauce for the bottom right image with the car

possibly, and also, look at it's tail. spikes at the top, just like the club in the picture.

steps on making "leaked" content

>make decent art, clean lines are tantamount. throw in some japanese words to act as notes
>open image file on monitor
>whip out phone and take picture of monitor
>dont forget to angle it!
>post on pixiv

voila!

>We didn't get a Totem Oranguru fight where he throws out pokeballs with pokemon he's caught until you finally fight him.

Why the fuck is only one of them sticking to the music theme Grookey has?

only A and E are good

I like that a lot, actually. I really hope the grass evolves to have a percussionist theme or something similar.

shitty japanese ruins all of these shitty leaks

this is the most "pulled out of my ass" chart ive seen so far

A and E are the only good ones. B and F are trying to hard. D is boring. C is shit.

>water and weapons
>an owl and chimpmunk are prehistoric animals
dude are you actually retarded, are you the same fucker from the other threads who thinks it's ok 4 out of the 8 fire starters don't actually match the chinese zodiac and is ok with "it's close enough"

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People shill the zodiac thing but come on, I know the pokedex says fire mouse, but does anyone actually look at the Cyndaquil line and think it is a mouse? Also foxes aren't dogs, they are close, but they aren't.

Pokemon reference art has too much shit that goes unused. Here's another example of real reference art.

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There's too much reaching involved with the zodiac theory for me to believe it

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I actually love and want this.

Do you see any TANUKI there user?

>C has a giant stick in his ass
nice

maybe we will get sports. that's what fire rabbit seems to be leaning on.

>the chinese zodiac specifically says dog
>lol dude they're part of the same family they are literally the same thing
>when shit like tanukis and racoons are as well
this is some game theory tier stretching

Cyndaquil is a fire mouse even if it doesn't look that way.
Problem is it's year of the rat

read the rest of the fucking thread

*Taps his big bunner feet*

Nyaaaaa where the pussy holes at?

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It would actually be cool to have a starter with different evolution trees for each gender.

zodiac checks out pretty well but wtf is typhlosion?

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a stick is a fucking music theme?
it's a fucking cricket reference you dumb yank

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so if you stretched out it's tail and gripped it by the base you could swing primarina around like a club?

that's fucking stupid user

careful son you might grow a second brain cell here if you keep pulling at that one too hard.

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rodent

Cyndaquil's a porcupine.

>empires
pls explain

I have a feeling this was meant for the anime and not the art they used for the original concept of this guy. Hence all the Ash/Whatsherface stuff.

Since Pokemon isn't getting a new season just yet it's probably too early for anime art to leak.

Rat, I suppose, but even them it's stretching.

Foxes and Cats aren't part of the chinese zodiac. The cat can be a cheeky reference, because of the myth of the cat and the rat, but still.

D looks straight out of Gen 4 with that stripe spam

Scorb, easy on the pokeblocks

I thought Typhlosion was a badger. My life is a goddamn lie.

Grookey name is music related in every language

ah yes, the famous year of the rodent

Then it doesn't really count does it? Also if people are going to be this nitpicky about what counts and doesn't count Charizard isn't a dragon type either. It looks like one, but it isn't. The zodiac theme people push is just grasping at straws. I mean some animals are just popular and so they make starters of them, Grooky brings us to a total of two monkey starters now.

Whatever it is it isn't a mouse, or a rat which is what the theme wants.

Are you ok user? do you really think a fin looks like a fan which then counts as a weapon? And Frealigator is brass knuckles? did you have a stroke?

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Foxes aren't dogs

europe, china, and japan respectively.

>Sarunori
>Ouistempo
>Grookey
>Chimpep
>Heungnasung
>Hāauyāmhàuh
>Qiāoyīnhóu
I wonder why Grookey has music-based names in every single language. Maybe it's based on a sport????

>the zodiac is real
>yfw they run out of fire starters in 6 games

Don't feel bad, the pokedex is literally retarded and has tons of stupid shit in it. It also claims Pikachu is a mouse, but it doesn't look like a mouse at all.

>*TAPS FEET*
>*AHEM*

FUCK GROOKEYS

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I want to fuck that dog

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The absolute state of waifumon fags.

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I hope humanity dies out before we reach Gen 12 of pokemon

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Weapons
Tell me what weapon is Feraligatr supposed to be please

I'm 100% sure this reference art is used for anything Pokemon related. Whether it's for the anime, main games or even Smash. Artists include characters like Ash or even anime Serena because they're probably fans of the anime or whatever. You can tell that the artist who drew Incineroar really likes wrestling shit.

Grass snake is based on French empire, it explains the fleur-de-lis in its design. Fire boar is clearly Chinese empire. Water sea lion is Japanese empire because samurai .

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>the chinese zodiac shit that's still grasping at straws
>now this water and weapon autism
>owl is now a prehistoric animal
user you need to stop, I physically can't comprehend how you think you're right about this kind of thing. Every single one of those grasps at mad straws and settles on "close enough"

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brass knuckles cause its spikes look sort of like them

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I absolutely fucking love these.

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user, I would love for there to be a chinese zodiac link, I really would I think that'd be cool. But this isn't a theme. You can't walk in front of a board of people and say "my theory is kinda close" or there are some matches that isn't how it works. It'd be cool, but fact of the matter there isn't any ties.

Yeah, I kinda see it, thanks

the owl one is genuine

Ornimegalonyx was a giant prehistoric owl found in cuba that was almost flightless and had long legs

other than the bow and arrows, its a perfect match

the fire theme is a bit of a stretch, but the water theme is obviously semi aquatic animals. idk what this user is going on about with his weapons autism

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>primarina is a club

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Literally my mom's Drossel

This. Also I think it will be something more closely-aligned with the UK.

Turtles, crocodiles, pengiuns, otters, and seals are not amphibious you fucking mouth breather.
How could you be this wrong

would actually be pretty cool if they went a marching band theme for grookey, but as long as it's not blatant furshit like this

What's more likely. The designers looking for some stupid owl that existed a long time ago to base their starter on. Or the designers making an owl and then making it more humanoid (giving it bigger legs in the process)?

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>grass/rock
would be kino

niggers have slipped every single disc in their spine with these theme reaches

Water types are clearly supposed to be semi aquatic air breaths you fucking mouth breather where did you get this weapon from? Blastoise?

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>Evolve
>Ends becoming more primitive
???

based

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Foxes are dogs retard. And you would really say incenroar doesn’t look/remind people of tiger mask?

ESL-kun doesn't understand the difference between amphibious and amphibian
next thing you say cars can't be amphibious because they're non living things

>ywn be raped by a delinquent grass monkey girl
why live

look at the proportions between the two
they're the exact same

given that every other grass starter in existence is based off of a prehistoric animal, yes I do think it's more likely that the designers copied the prehistoric owl than them breaking the theme of the entire starter line and creating an owl starter that just happens to look exactly like an Ornimegalonyx

It’s the clown balloon mon for last gens water type all over again.

>intelligent bunga capable of inventing wheels and making clubs is more primative than an actual monkey

Incineroar is a tiger

They don't use both hands for things they're not amphibious.

>foxes are dogs
Are you actually stupid? Like seriously? How many times do people have to fucking tell you just because they are a part of the same family doesn't mean there the same thing. It's year of the dog, not year of the fox, or year of the canine you sub human 2 IQ autist.

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C. mayble A or E as seconds though.

>canines
>act and look literally like wild dogs
>wtf they're not dogs????

>UK region
>(A) has a baseball bat
who designed this and why are they retarded?

What does Canidae mean in Latin, retard?

They don't evolve from an electric sheep, they aren't amphibious

Yep. Too good to be real.

Damn that water stage 3 looks baller. And it looks like it can remove its tail and use it as a club.

Typhlosion is a badger.

Canned?

Yes just how the Chinese like their dogs

When will he be announced for Smash?

Monmon?

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Is it year of the canidae? or year of the canine? you always do this user you always just roll back and say "their both part of the canine family" when you fucking know it's neither it's year of the fucking dog. The chinese zodiac is year of the dog, it was the dog that came 2nd to last in the race to the top of a mountain not a fox or a "canine". You literally can't argue against this all you can do is keep saying "they're both canine they're both canine" when the chinese zodiac says FUCKING DOG.

>look at the proportions between the two
>they're the exact same
I call bullshit. Decidueye has similar proportions to any fucking owl. Decidueye just has thicker legs than any owls to make it appear a bit more humanoid and its legs are shaped a tad differently. This theory is retarded.

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There's a flying lizard chinese zodiac?

The devs stated outright that it's based on an extinct Hawaiian owl species, why do you faggots always need to argue and scream "BULLSHIT!" on absolutely everything?

>you always do this user you always just roll back and say "their both part of the canine family" when you fucking know it's neither it's year of the fucking dog.
Lol user, there’s more than one person calling you out on your retarded shit

ONCE AGAIN TRANSLATE IT RETARD. ITS LITERALLY DOG. The family is dog.

Its cool but its not probiscous monkey cool

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Dragon.

back to work mr tentacles

Not him but you are legit retarded.

Yes it's called a dragon

>not him
Kek. Samefag

>basteeleon
Is this some gay zinogre?

>ignoring literally all the other people responding to those images and calling you out on your bullshit especially the water and weapon bit
>dude lol look at all 2 people arguing with you

And your right, it is the dog family, still wasn't a fox that raced to the top of the mountain, it was a dog and you know that. They knew what foxes where back then, they would have said it was a fox if it was a fox. Honestly dude just kill yourself like holy shit someone who is this head strong believing they're right in this shit probably can't function outside this board.

Post proof of this interview. And as far as I know, the owl you're claiming Decidueye is based on isn't a stilt-owl.

The Chinese Zodiac one is completely believable but the other two especially the water don't make much sense

whoops

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Fuck off barafags.

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This nigga's dumb as hell.

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bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Decidueye_(Pokémon)#Origin

get real, the top two are digimon and "bigger cat" is just a safe bet

Good thing it’s the Japanese making this retard and not Chinese traditionalists. Also that wasn’t my image retard. You are right that it’s a dog in the zodiac, and guess what: according to science a fox belongs to the DOG FAMILY. IT LITERALY MEANS DOG

>just kill yourself
Kek. Little bitch boy is upset that the fire starters are based on the zodiac. If you can’t handle the argument, leave the board faggot.

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Anyone who denies the Chinese Zodiac at this point is legit fucking retarded. Like, it was up for debate back in gen5, when it was a bit ambiguous, but give that we’ve been able to successfully predict the species of the following 3 fire starters, it’s all but a given at this point.

Literally, all 8 of them match up, with the only argument people have against it is “well, Delphox doesn’t perfectly match dog.”

Listen,

Snake
Goat
Horse
Ox

If the remaining 4 starters don’t fall in line with that, then you win. But it’s looking very unlikely given last gen we got Tiger, and this gem we got Rabbit. Out of ALL possible animals, for some reason they keep lining up with the remaining Zodiac animals.

I just want Grookey to evolve into a staff wielding sun wukong.

It’s hilarious you made two images to try and deny that you are samefagging. Lmao, but keep telling me to kill myself. That might make the big bad man go away

Related does not equal the same thing you fucking retard I don't know how you can't get this through to yourself I just can't. There is a cat family and tigers/mountain lions are a part of it. Would you call them the same thing? No you wouldn't. This is a basic thing we teach children apparently you missed the lesson.

>why don’t you call them the same
The zodiac has a dog and a tiger, not a dog and a cat retard. THE FAMILY IS CALLED DOG. You can’t deny this, so you pretend it’s not being said. A fox is scientifically a dog.

bruh is it really that hard to comprehend someone else besides me can reply to you?

Incineroar is literally a Tiger you moron.

>tfw you realize that modern pokemon designs are so garbage and furfaggy that this is actually more likely than

These are horrendous and it's obviously the ballio guy again.

Boy you really are retarded. The other user has a better monitor/resolution for one...but ok user.

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the only references on that page is a link to the official Pokemon website, a link to the leaked reference art for all gen 7 starter final evos that call Decidueye an owl and a tweet that's translating a Smash Bros interview

Where is the reference that links to a Pokemon developer/artist talking about Decidueye's link to an extinct Hawaiian owl? Oh wait, there isn't any because it's just speculation by the community. Fuck off.

That's just like a dude in a monkey costume. It's even more embarrassing than Mr. Mime.
What the fuck is this shit, Digimon?

>honey badger
>ancient creature

>Napoleon is a myth

there's just so much here to take in

derp

Litten's look like shit. Incineroar was kinda unexpected after Torracat but I still like it.

Literally a minute apart again. Samefag better retard.

I'll never understand people like you who get this frothingly angry when other people make reasonable logical deductions based on the available facts.

We already have Feraligatr for this theme though

No i'm not denying it's the dog family and the fox is a part of that, no one fucking is. But the legend isn't referring to the dog family it's referring to the specific animal a dog.

>That's just like a dude in a monkey costume.
That's just how gorillas naturally look like. There was a guy in a gorilla costume at a zoo that got shot by a tranquilizer since people thought it was an escaped gorilla.

Empoleon is based on both Napoleon legend and Poseidon myth.

And Pokémon isn’t gonna follow the legend specifically, because there’s such a thing as having CREATIVE LIBERTIES.

Serious question, do you have autism?

He doesn't even know how to check different ips. He legit believes we are the same person cause autism.

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uh no sorry sweety Feraligatr is brass knuckle themed

LOL how FAT was he?

>legend mentions dog
>fox is part of dog family
>fox is this considered Dog
Your argument is essentially the same if the fire starter was a chihuahua, since the Chinese never specifically had those at that time.

This guy is schizophrenic lmao retard take your meds

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>they're basically the same thing they are both dogs
>they're from the same family
>they can take creative liberates
keep moving the goal post buddy

Homer Simpson

>sloths
It's a glyptodont.

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Are you fucking kidding me with that final Grookey evo

How is it even possible for people to come up with trash of this magnitude

A fox isn't a dog son.

I think these look awful which means I can easily believe that they're real.

>reasonable logical deductions
>"Reasonably" and "logically" "deducing" that Decidueye is based on a prehistoric extinct owl even though Decidueye has similar proportions to living owls
lmao
And then you retards outright lie about what the artists at GameFreak have said regarding Decidueye.

A chihuahua is a breed of dog, a fox isn't a breed it's a different species, same family differen't species.

Yea Forums would have science deniers.

>moving goalposts

Ok, so you admit Foxes are Dogs, and therefore the Fennekin line fits into Dog. Good, glad we got over that. Now tell me, which of the remaining 7 fire starters don’t fit with their respective Zodiac? Cyndaquil who is literally the Fire MOUSE Pokémon? Incineroar who is very obviously a Tiger? Charizard who is very clearly a Dragon in appearance? Or maybe the new Rabbut Pokémon who is somehow not a TRU RABBIT? Seriously, what will you pull from your ass next? Just take the L dude. Fire starters are undeniably based off the Chinese Zodiac.

>so you admit Foxes are Dogs
What did he mean by this?

Typhlosion is a badger.

Foxes are from the same family, never said they were the same animal. Because that's just denying actual facts. Never died foxes were a part of the dog family you're doing mental gymnastics to assume that it means they are the same animal.

A Cyndaquil a Mouse. Wanna keep going?

Oh ok, you still continue to deny a basic scientific fact. Cool.

Wow what a faggot

Can you crossbreed a dog and a fox?
And quilava is an echidna

People don't seriously believe this, do they?

these are disappointing enough to be real

Even I never believed this

Why did you mention Charizard being a dragon when its prior evolutions aren't dragons? I thought we were going by the final evos. *via your supreme logic

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>Faggots ITT denying Chinese zodiac fire starters
What the fuck? Is this just some new kind of trolling from /VP/ I don't know about? I remember reading about zodiac/prehistoric/semi aquatic when I was a child. I think they sort of gave up on the grass one (or it was never really there), but the other two are totally intact. I think maybe they didn't start intending it until gen III or IV which explains why typhlosion is a reach, but come on. You seriously think they've done NINE generations where by sheer coincidence they've never done a fire starter that's a raccoon or an insect or a cat, they're all seperate zodiac animals with no repeats, no two birds, no two reptiles? You think no water starter is a fully water or fully land (except maybe squirtle because they're tortoises, but in game they're called turtles and are aquatic. Either way, gen 1, not planned yet) by accident?
>Typhlosion
Clearly a rodent, starts as a literal mouse, no way for it to get bigger without losing some of that. Either way at gen II I don't think they were planning this and it may have been a coincidence they were both zodiac animals.
>Delphox isn't a dog hurrr
Ever heard the phrase "exception which proves the rule?" A fennec fox is close enough, and they couldn't make a fire dog because it'd be too similar to arCANINE. Luckily the existing fire fox (ninetales) can be distinguished due to the multiple tales and fennec fox v red/artic fox.

>What we actually got in Gen 7 was so bad that people look back on these fakemons with fondness
>Especially Ballio, who is unironically better than shitty waifubait Primerina

What a timeline

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>Can you crossbreed a dog and a fox?
Doesn't look like it. Fox penises look pretty weird too.

I’m not the one denying something so evidently obvious.

Charmander isn't a dragon
Charmeleon isn't a dragon
and Charizard doesn't actually become a dragon until it megas.

decidueye is a stilt-owl, they never gave up on the grass thing

You arguments are inconsistent between evolution. How is it that Charizad counts because of his 3rd but Typlosion does because of his 1st. A couple match like Torchic and Tepig but the others are inconsistent between evolution.

>starts as a literal mouse
hedgehog/porcupine is not a literal mouse

Close enough doesn't count now d

Holy SHIT that's garbage

I'm just trying to follow your logic here. Are we going by final evos or whatever fits your made up rules about the chinese zodiac mythos in a japanese game.
Ah ok then they are its own thing and aren't dogs right? Nah fuck science!

The only real shame to the Zodiac is that Arcanine and Rapidash woulda made fine fits for the Zodiac, but can’t be used.

>Post concedes multiple times they probably weren't planning the theme in gen I and II leading to inconsistencies
>Hey buddy it's not dragon TYPE ergo the winged fire breathing reptile isn't based on a dragon
>Still has no explanation for why every fire starter matches a zodiac with no repeats or expections except the one that can be explained

the water mark was added later

I'm also trying to understand his logic.

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Stilt-owl is just speculation. There is no evidence that Decidueye is a stilt-owl. There's other owl species that are still alive that share Decidueye's proportions.

Ask Game Freak, it’s their rules. People are just pointing out a pattern that for some reason makes autismos froth at the mouth.

Is his hand perpetually covered in cheeto dust or something? How is he doing the cave painting?

>Still has no explanation for why every fire starter matches a zodiac with no repeats or expections except the one that can be explained
Are we ignoring the fox starter?

Lol, foxes are still Dogs faggot. Science says so. Just because they can’t breed doesn’t mean the they don’t belong to the same family, WHICH IS TITLED DOG.

Maybe they aren't repeating animals because they don't want one to be samey from the last? Because even the most brain dead workers at Game Freak know not to repeat animals.

Trying to see patterns that aren't really there and taking fan speculation as fact is even more autistic than the people calling you retarded.

Dog family retard

Is that the only straw you got? Are we gonna keep going in circles with the foxes = dogs debate? Really?

it's feces

>People think they can just copy last gens leak as fake

Unless your shit has something that confirms to be official later, like Mallow in Incineroar’s picture, then fuck right off

>foxes = dogs
Next you retards are gonna start claiming that owls are birds.

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>Lol, foxes are still Dogs faggot. Science says so.
What did he mean by this?

Science also says a dog and a fox is not the same animal, same family different animal. A house cat and a lynx are from the same family aren't the same animal though and you know it.

>Except the one that can be explained
>Post explains that they couldn't make a second fire dog after arcanine so went with a distinguishable canine (fennec
fox) with no pokémon based on it instead

Vulpis and canis are still different animals.

AWFUL

In Gen 9 the fire starter is going to be an elephant or some shit and people are going to go "an elephant is kind of like a big horse, the zodiac theme is intact!"

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Chunky

He collects green shit in DK64 so it fits

>Post explains that they couldn't make a second fire dog after arcanine so went with a distinguishable canine (fennec fox) with no pokémon based on it instead
What the fuck are you even trying to say? Are we ignoring that Nintetales exists too?

Except the pattern is legit there.

Last Gen, people said the starter would be either

Tiger
Rabbit
Horse
Ox
Snake
Goat

And lo and behold, we got Tiger.

This gen, people predicted it’d be:

Rabbit, Horse, Ox, Snake, or Goat

And hey will you look at that, we got Rabbit.

Next Gen it’ll be either Horse, Ox, Snake, or Goat. I’m literally willing to bet anything on it.

>same family
SAME DOG FAMILY

Sucks you deny science, user. But hey I’m sure not getting vaccines will eventually cure your autism.

Well they aren't. Dogs are what happens when you breed Wolves a little too much.

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"Family" in biology is also completely subjective and not an exact science at all.

8 fucking generations and they continue to use zodiac animals user

Fucking genera how does it work

Except for the porcupine and fox. But we can ignore those. :)

Because that's the real leak

>Ninetales
>Fennec fox
At this point it's obvious you didn't actually read my post and have no answers to any of the points made

Yeah but a hedgehog is not a mouse and a fox is not a dog

LMAO
Nah they are the same dog.

I ain't denying science you're just blindly denying they aren't the same animal. You don't think a lynx and house cat are the same animal don't you?

No, in Gen 9 it’ll be either a Snake, Goat, Ox, or Horse, and you retards will still be in denial. If something off the wall like an Elephant or 2nd Dragon is picked, then GF obviously dropped the pattern.

But you ever wonder why we don’t get a different type triangle? Part of why is cause of the Zodiac. Maybe after 12 gens they’ll try something different.

*BANG*
PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER

explain Typhlosion and Fox (totally dog) bro!
Yes it is you autist! DO YOU EVEN SCIENCE user?

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>Gen 6
Chestnaught was the Bara
Grenigger was the edgy(also smash rep)
Delphox was the waifu

>Gen 7
Decidueye was the edgy
Primarina was the waifu
Incineroar was the bara(also smash rep)

>Gen 7
Grooky will be the waifu(and future smash rep)
Sobble will be the bara
Scorbunny will be the edgy

They're still both foxes

But they dropped that shit in gen 2. Hell even 1 since charizard was a flying/fire type and not a full dragon until the megas. Where is your god now?

Oh don't bring the triangle into this dude. It's like that way because it's the way everyone has known it and
>People who grew up with gen one will riot
>it's the easiest to recognize
A 10 year old can understand fire beats grass which beats water and water beats fire. It's simple easy thing anyone can get. Regardless if the zodiac theory is true or not I don't care they did not stick to fire v water v grass just for that.

I hate all of them

Why didn't they just base the zodiac dog starter on a specific dog breed since Arcanine is just a generic dog? Or why didn't they try going for a fire wolf? If they're fine with fire foxes of different subspecies, then why aren't they ok with fire dogs of different breeds?

>this cartoony bird isn't 100% exactly like the real thing, you're all fucknutterbarfaboogies!

-Alola region is Hawaii
-extinct species of owl native to Hawaii
-Grass Starter's final evolution is part Ghost and a long-legged owl

I dunno, user, anyone who is smart and doesn't rage at everything can put 2 and 2 together. And yes, Decidueye does have elements of living owls, most Pokemon combine two or more things together.

>Grooky will be the waifu(and future smash rep)
big if true

Grookey can't be a Smash rep since there isn't a new Smash game being developed at the time. Nintendo also doesn't give a fuck about promoting Pokemon themselves, they just let TPC do it.

Look user there is a pattern even if it skips gens ok stop being fastidious! Y..yeah

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>arcanine is a generic dog
Except it’s NOT you fucking moron.

House cats and lynxes are both cats.

they're just uppity they were BTFO -again- after scorbunny continues the zodiac theory.

user, the other two starters are a seal mermaid and a wrestling tiger based on a Japanese wrestler. Why the fuck did they suddenly want to base Decidueye on an extinct Hawaiian owl?

>implying stone edge isnt a gimmick.

Okay, user. What dog breed is Arcanine based on?

>arcanine
It just called legendary chinese dog. Yet there is no China in the pokemon world. Or South America. But Pokedex gonna pokedex. I will never get Pokemon.

>"prehistoric animals" is grass' theme
>"ancient creatures" is gen2 theme somehow
>Typhlosion is a RAT
>Primadona is a CLUB

lmao this is so fucking stupid like wow

the logic behind anti-vaxxers, except it's (((big pharma)))

Gen 9 will be the Snake, and the next Waifumon, something like a Naga/Medusa.

Gen 10 we’ll get the goat, hopefully a Baphomet.

Gen 11 we’ll get Ox, something like a Minotaur.

And Gen 12, Horse. No idea what it could do to be distinguished.

All throughout, people will STILL deny the Zodiac, because “muhCharizard is not a Dragon,” “Hedgehogs aren’t mice” “Foxes aren’t dogs.”

ikr and blastoise used to be a turtle

Cyndaquil is an echinda not a rat you faggots
>b-but the pokedex
The pokedex is wrong half the fucking time. It says sandshrew is a mouse pokemon when it its own name it's a shrew not a mouse. And sandslash is a fucking armadillo not a mouse either.

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I hope its real cuz I want that unga bunga ape

Actually, ancient creatures work.

Dinosaur, Volvano, Crocodile.

And Cyndaquil is a Mouse, fitting in with Rat.

>All throughout, people will STILL deny the Zodiac, because “muhCharizard is not a Dragon,” “Hedgehogs aren’t mice” “Foxes aren’t dogs.”
They are right though. I think it is autistic to try to find patterns in everything when GF is just creatively bankrupt and was just making starters based on what they though was cool.

Remorade = gun

Octillery = tank

So what, do you faggots actually call dogs "foxes" when you see one?
When you see a hedgehog, do you call that a "mouse"?

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>faggots
Its the same dude saying this though.

>the creators literally say it’s a mouse
>THEYRE WRONG!!

fucking retard

Foxes are very different to dogs in Chinese and in a lot of many eastern mythologies, folklore and religions. Again, treating Foxes and dogs as the same in this regard is frankly silly. Are there people here who actually believe a Fennec Fox is the same as a dog?

A bear is just a big dog user.

Ok, then explain to me why people correctly predicted Tiger and Rabbit?

>The translation team frequently fucks up
>They are the same as the people who make the pokemon
based retard

>the creators
No, the creator drew a cute hedgehog/porcupine animal. And then some other retard came in and called it a fire mouse.

Yes
this dude

Ok, so if ALL 4 of my predictions are correct, you’re STILL gonna deny the Zodiac because one of them doesn’t line up perfectly? Really?

I mean, when you think about it, a rabbit is basically a dog.

Except it’s called a Fire Mouse in Japanese too you moron.

>he’s still in denial over the Zodiac cause it makes his autism flare up

Autism. Incineroar is a tiger? It didn't even start like but a cat that and barely resembles one. Oh but whatever lets say that is a tiger then final evos are what matter then? If so explain a fox, a flying lizard and a badger?

>Hinoarashi may be a combination of 火 hi (fire) and 山荒 yama-arashi (porcupine).
Doesn't look like it

If it doesn't apply 3 times then yes there is no pattern just random chance of fitting autistic "patterns".

Do you actually think the same people who write the Pokedex entries are the ones who design the names and designs of all Pokemon?

>Cat
>Fox
>Porcupine
>Flying Lizard
>They fit perfectly

>Cyndaquil is a small, bipedal Pokémon with bluish fur on top of its body, and a milky color on the underside. Cyndaquil seems to be a composite of features from the echidna and the shrew. The echidna features are the flames from its back, while its general body shape is shrew-like. Its eyes are often closed and it has a long, thin snout. It lacks claws on its forelimbs, but has a single claw on each hind foot. Cyndaquil is usually timid by nature and often curls into a ball when intimidated. It has four red spots on its back from which its flames erupt. Cyndaquil is capable of defending itself using these flames. The fire grows more powerful as Cyndaquil becomes more angry or defensive. Though rare in the wild, few can be found living on grasslands.
ITS A MOUSE GUYS!

in order of best to worst

E > C = A > D > B

f isn't even worth mentioning, whoever likes that design is a furry and needs to be gassed on the spot

There's no fox or badger or lizard in the Chinese zodiac.

Dude Rhyhorn is based of the drill animal cause its called the drill pokemon! DRILL ANIMAL

>uses its name
Japanese Pokédex still refers to it as the ねずみ Pokémon. Nice job you disingenuous cunt.

Incineroar is a Tiger, are you dumb? Last I checked, cats didn’t roar.

Porcupines and rats are rodents, there you fucking go

The people who write the pokedex entries aren't the same people who design the Pokemon or do the names, user. Stop reaching so hard.

>A porcupine is a mouse

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It looks nothing like a tiger. Its just a pun based on its persona of a japanese wrestler its based on. But if we are going off looks and not names then explain how these retards call Cyndaquil the fire mouse even when it isn't. Right. Inconsistent. Checkmate atheist.

Stop using bulbapedia entries you spastic. None of that is official. Official sources literally cite it as a mouse.

Tiger
Dog
Mouse
Dragon
Yes, they do.

Yes, do you know how game development works? Artists and designers are in constant communication with each other.

>It would actually be cool to have a starter with different evolution trees for each gender.

Woah! Hold it there son no one is going to like that idea

>Artists and designers are in constant communication with each other.
You don't seriously think this, do you?

The fire blades are sick

One, [citation needed]. Two, they don’t work in isolation m they COMMUNICATE about these things.

It’s literally a cartoon a Tiger. Just how dumb are you?

A mouse is not a rat

A fox is a dog!
A porcupine that turns into a badger is a mouse!
A cat that turns into a bipedal feline is a tiger!
Autism

I don’t think it, I KNOW it. I work in game design you idiot.

A shrew.

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>implying owls are birds

Yes it is. In fact, they’re literally the same word in Japanese. Nezumi.

THEY ARE THE SAME THING REEEEEEEE

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Thats obviously a mouse you blind retard

That explains why you are so autistic and wrong about things.

no its a rat and its the same thing
CHINESE ZODIAC

ACE are all amazing
B is only good if they're were going Sexual dimorphism
D and F are better fit as second stage evolutions

鼠 (hiragana ねずみ, katakana ネズミ, rōmaji nezumi). a mouse or a rat ... Japanese does not generally distinguish between mice and rats, and both are commonly called nezumi. If a distinction is needed, speakers may use the adjectives 大きい (ōkii, “large”) or 小さい (chīsai, “small”), or may use the word マウス (mausu, “mouse”, borrowed from either German or English).

Well, will you look at that. Looks like you’re an idiot.

>Another fire starter turned anthropomorphic fighting type

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I dunno, why would they base two Pokemon on the Hindu god of creation and Satan?

Ireland meets Israel

???

Looks like shit. Feels like a midgame mon more than anything.

Aercanine is a Shisa.

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I know. That’s why I called him an idiot. Arcanine is the furthest thing possible from a “generic” dog.

You asked why they would base a Hawaiian Pokemon on a Hawaiian animal. I asked you an equally silly question.

B > A > F >> shit >> E > C > more shit > D

If this fakemon was the real final instead of the garbage I know we're gonna get, I would actually go grass.

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Jesus what kind of planet allowed this thing to exist?

>evidence gets refuted
>calls the other person angry and unreasonable
Actual autistic tantrum going on here

No I’m not him. Which Pokémon is based of Satan?

>waits until somebody posts their answer
>I KNOW RIGHT BRO
goddamn son

We had a ninja starter in the France region and a French royal in the America region.

Shrews are a part of the order Rodentia. They share this order along with mice. I would say there's a good chance that Chinese Zodiac theme is their intention, despite this example being a bit of a stretch. There's no way of really knowing for certain without an official quote, but seven other instances of evidence is pretty damning.

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No, they LITERALLY aren't, you would literally have to have brain damage to try and claim they were the same thing.

Stupid fucking retard

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Eevee because evolution is a sin

I’ve known Arcanine was a Shisa since 1999, it’s literally my favorite Pokémon. I just didn’t feel like arguing with you since I was busy arguing with Zodiac deniers.

>The last gen grass was an owl, that's not a dinosaur.

Well fuck, I guess all the starters are prehistoric animals then. Every vertebrate was once this motherfucker.

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???

Wtf I love the new pokemon now

Yes, they literally are. I speak Japanese, and live in Japan. ねずみ is used for both mice and rats here.

No, they literally are not the same thing.

>Arcanine was a Shisa
It looks nothing like it though.

Japs are retarded and can't categorize animals then.

To the Japanese they are, and that’s all that matters, no one cares about your autism.

Except it does.

Congratulations. And that’s why Fennekin fits in with Dog, and why the Zodiac is legit. Now we can finally put that to rest. Glad you conceded.

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Sure it look like mice, but you're wrong. It isn't part of the same order as all rodents. Shrews are much more related to hedgehogs and moles than any rodents, and they all shared the same order.

They are not considered the same thing by genetics, science and reality. and i think you will find the vast majority of the population of the planet care about that.

Rats are not mice.

It is still wrong though.

Yeah, too bad GF is making a fantastical game about monsters that can be stored in tiny balls, and really doesn’t much care for scientific accuracy. Reality is just a springboard for their creative ideas.

In the context of Pokémon, and as far as the common Japanese language goes, ねずみ applies to both rats and mice, and the fact that this bothers you matters to no one.

>Eulipotyphla

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there's no evidence other than the fact that it's a stilt owl

i love it when people are this correct.
When fanboys are upset it's because their own headcanon got demolished. Quality post.

>Typhlosion
>Typhlosion is a combination of typhoon and explosion. Its name is also similar to the word typhus, a Greek word meaning 'hazy' (which would describe the effect that the intense heat Typhlosion generates has on the air surrounding it), and it may also be related to tephra (volcanic material). It could also derive from Typhon, a monster in Greek mythology who fathered many other monsters with his wife, Echidna; Cyndaquil resembles an echidna.

Bruh I was the user you've been arguing with for more then half the thread I ain't that guy I just don't care honestly it's clear neither of us will change the other's mind. So I said fuck it.

Ok, whatever. But the next Fire starter will be a Snake with Naga properties. I’ll leave you to ponder how I figured that out.

badass
>shiny steel tongue

>metal tongue
Fuckin' dumb.

it's not year of the canine you fucking retard it's year of the DOG
a FOX is not a DOG
jesus fucking christ

quintessencially British

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m just surprised that 3 generations later, there are still people stupid enough to deny the Zodiac.

Pokemon already has distinct different rat and mice pokemon, even playing by your own warped rules you lose.

He is still based on the chinese zodiac just like all the other Pokemon dex en...oh. FUCK

all rats are rodents, not all rodents are rats

this never really worked you know.

is fairy tho

Not in Japanese it doesn’t. Both are referred to as ねずみ

Pikachu was a starter
it is totally a rat
checkmate autist pft

Nothing was refuted.

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Stop replying to yourself. Bulbapedia is not an official source.

the reeeit is so strong in that pic, I'm sure that's were you get by gis'ing it

>Typhlosion
>The appearance of this Pokémon is mainly based on the honey badger. It may also be reminiscent of weasels and wolverines, as well as bears. It has a long and agile body, like weasels, though it is significantly larger and thicker than its pre-evolutions.

>that autistic, embarassing edgy garbage
>good

The only evidence you had was refuted.
You said the devs themselves said it then you deflected like a faggot.

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uh no, sorry sweety it's a rat

>american education

>he’s still posting bulbapedia
Meanwhile the official source literally calls it a Mouse.

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what's with cocksucking faggots and always defending the green ones that are always a big pile of stinking shit anyway? Is this another syndrome of yoshi players in action?

can you say that again, but in english

REMINDER:

There's no lizard, badger or fox in the Chinese zodiac

Isn't that a reference to some old story about a princess sending a guy to find a cloak of a fire mouse or something?

>genetics
huh
>lmao unique
huh

other than that the horizontal legend is pretty acceptable desu. Vertical is hit-or-miss.

No, but there is a Dragon, a Mouse and a Dog, and Charizard, Cyndaquil, and Fennekin all fit that bill respectively.

lolno

the female style was chikorita you're just retarded

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Vertical is spot on for Fire. The other two are a shot in the dark. Grass kinda fits, Water doesn’t.

The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter
AKA The Tale of Princess Kaguya

lol yes

Stay in denial.

There's no mouse in the Chinese zodiac, a fox is not a dog, they are an entirely different genus. Charizard is not a dragon and looks absolutely nothing like a Chinese dragon.

Since all the starters are little bobble head animals now I can;t imagine there being a starter horse or OX.

Also the Snek was already covered by Grass.

I'm losing my mind right about how 4channel thinks foxes are dogs and mice are rats

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No amount of denial of reality and facts is going to make your retarded theory true. sorry.

>Cyndaquil is designed after a shrew, but called a "mouse" IN GAME and is based on the Robe of the Fire Rat
Rat confirmed.

He is Japanese though. Like for once fucking read the other posts autist.

Sobble and Scorbunny evos actually aren't bad. Don't know what the fuck is up with Grookey's though.

IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING

Ballio was dogshit.

GUYS GUYS
A HUMAN IS A MONKEY

This we are in the same family
What stops from them making a human pokemon starter?

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If birds are better at mimicking human speech than monkeys does that make us birds?

tyrone

once you go grass, youll always eat ass

I don't need your sass

chinese fox is a dog you retards

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Human is a monkey

The fact that we already have a monkey fire type? As for why there are no humanoid types? Well there are. Hitmon line for example. Same for Machop line. You people are seriously stupid.

Tell the court, if you will, where you, Mr. Birdman, fit on that chart.

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Idk what you’re trying to argue with this.

Showing your idiocy

>chinese fox is a dog
No its not

Well, you’re not doing a very good job at it, as it’s generally agreed that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor. And Infernape is the accounted for Monkey, based of Son Wukong, the Monkey King.

Not that guy, but a Fennekin is clearly representative of the dog on the Chinese Zodiac.