How do we save tf2 from itself?

I fucking hate games that need to control "Toxicity" Or,as I like to call it,freedom of speech. What's even the appeal of being nice to other people online if the game is gonna give you 15 brownie points if you do and ban you otherwise? I really hope these kind of people fuck off to play Bejeweled on their phone or some shit.

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Remove all cosmetics and weapon skins and make the game $10. This is the only way.

this and found it through sold new cosmetics which is taken from a pool of community created items
everybody wins

Impossible, all of the VAs are dead. Give me the last comic so I can have closure.

you can't save what's already perfect, user.

If tf2 is perfect then why is Spy useless dead weight?

>how to save a 12 years old game
and people complains about meleefags.

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Remove competitive mode
Bring back quickplay
Give people some incentive to delete the hell out of refined metal

Unlike melee, TF2 never got a sequel

Also Smash already has a new game that is objectively better than Melee

ultimate is better than melee?

What would Yea Forums like to see in Team Fortress 3?

yes, but i dont know if i would trust the modern artifact-making valve to develop it

I wonder who could be behind this post

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better hats

fuck im retarded, read your post as "would Yea Forums like to see Team Fortress 3?"
probably more engineer buildings, or a real secondary for the spy

Old scout as spy
Old Demoman
Medic looks and sounds EXACTLY the same

>New game modes
>Better hats
>Mostly a different cast of mercs
>A different location
>More dev support goddammit

Pistol already does a pretty good amount of damage that I think a lot of people don't appreciate.
Building sentry guns is ultimately a mistake. Take engineer and give him the Heavy's minigun but without the extra HP and replace the sentry gun with another building type that acts like Heavy's sandwich. Then remove Heavy from the game.

>a different cast of mercs
Fuck off.

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Literally just porting it to Source 2 would be a massive step in making a proper sequel.
Telling compfags to fuck off would be nice too.[/spoiler[

Team Fortress (20XX), set in the distant apocalyptic future.
Scout is now the Spy
New Engineer can build Laser Turrets, Flying Pads, ect.
Heavy now has 2 miniguns replacing his hands
Pyro now has a chest flamethrower
Soldier is a robot man who shouts about former america
Demoman now has shoulder mounted grenade launchers
Scout now has robotic legs that let him wall run

All maps are post apocalyptic, mad max theme'd. With some old maps that are extremely rundown and shit looking and filled with rubble.

Compfags wouldn't be an issue if tf2 wasn't balanced like total ass to start with. Balancing around the assumption that players are shit isn't real balance because eventually players stop being shit.

By rating my Pyro.

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Balancing the game around less than 1% of the playerbase that actively refuses to play most of current ingame content isn't a solution either.

where did this retarded assertion come from that comp players don't like pubs

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most of the ingame content is stupid bullshit that is allowed to exist solely because the playerbase is too retarded to exploit how bullshit it actually is. comp bans it because it's alright to fuck around with when you just want to bully people but it would never fly in a setting where players are good enough to coordinate.

Exactly the same but remade in Source 2 (or better yet Source 3 if that happens)
This way the game doesn't run like shit, and can allow for 4 or more cosmetics instead of just 3.

Remake the physics
Remake the maps
Same design
Same aesthetic
Same characters
Same modes

Add most of the hats back, throw out any that kill the aesthetic.

Add more modes
Add more maps
Add more hats (more emphasis on aesthetic)
Add more weapons/subclasses

That's it.

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>Scout is now the Spy
Why you gotta drop these feels so early on?
Who hurt you user? who?

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You can probably get an undergraduate degree before the final issue of the comic comes out.

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I hate that this harbours anti-creativity.
but dammit does these a lot of good check marks.

Fucking sick of lime scunts and melee fuck fests.

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>Add most of the hats back, throw out any that kill the aesthetic.
so delete 90% of them?

How about that one time when Valve decided to gut already stupidly flawed quickplay system in favor of "Max 6 players, no ad-hoc, play competetive you stupid faggot, that's what you wanted right?" matchmaking system that was tailor-made for compfags?

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what the fuck, how could it not even be worked on? didn't Valve pay them to do it?

Sounds dumb m8.
Should be set in 197X
and just be the same mercs but in space
with sci-fi 60s and 70s equipment.
THAT would be cool.

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name one comp player that asked valve to replace quickplay with casual matchmaking
oh no wait you won't because we have this SAME FUCKING ARGUMENT IN EVERY THREAD AND YOU KEEP POSTING IT ANYWAY KNOWING IT'S BULLSHIT.

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>Valve
>Doing anything

Never, I'm starting to feel what the boomers feels for Quake

you mean the one that literally no 6s players ever asked for since it has none of the banlists that allows 6s to exist?

>Mostly
I think new characters would help the game feel fresher. This should be the cast imo:
>New Scout
>New Soldier (Solly retired because all the hippies were exterminated, he is now an announcer)
>Pyro
>Demo comes back (Old man Demo)
>New Heavy (Misha got promoted)
>New Engineer (A younger Conagher)
>Medic comes back (No changes)
>New Sniper (Sniper retires because professionals have to do it at some point)
>New Spy (Scout is the new Spy, tries too hard to be classy but still mocks everyone from time to time)

Yes.
It's WAY more balanced across it's roster of characters.
Less single broken moves/exploits
Still good fast paced game play

>have been playing TF2 all afternoon using lmaobox
>I wasn't kicked once

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>lmaobox
until you meet a nullchad

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The line-artist works for Valve and surprisingly isn't a contractor (supposedly). She unfortunately has other priorities (that she must act on otherwise her co-workers will fucking vote to pay her less) like DotA and Artifact comics. I would presume the writer and color artist are also occupied with other things.

Valve doesn't plan anything long-term. I'm willing to bet Valve doesn't know what it wants to work on one year from now. We don't even know how they plan to unfuck Artifact; I hope Artifact is so fucking dead by the time they release whatever giant overhauling patch releases that nobody comes back.

Seriously, anybody who returns to Artifact in the future for any (good) reason has no fucking balls or standards whatsoever.

>Removing that one absolutely perfect thing TF2 has.
>Thinking nu valve can make anything better (if even equal)
>Modern Setting

Look man, if you want to play Overwatch, just go already.

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What's wrong with Artifact?

If that's what it takes.

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Based

Better question would be "What's not wrong with Artifact?".

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I faked my own death on this game and people flipped shit lol

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>>Removing that one absolutely perfect thing TF2 has.
I agree, the TF2 mercs are excellent characters but I believe TF3 should try to aim for something different. It shouldn't be called TF3 if there is not going to be much to make it more different from TF2
>>Thinking nu valve can make anything better (if even equal)
You are right about that but TF3 is not going to happen anyway
>>Modern Setting
God no, I was talking something like 10 to 15 years after TF2

You have to be a turbotard to get reported that much

I dunno, I haven't been following Artifact. I was asking you.

>What would Yea Forums like to see in Team Fortress 3?

I wouldn't. TF3 would completely shatter the community unfortunately.

To be completely fair, Artifact is a fine game. The monetization model was also fair.

Here's the problem, they imposed all the rarity and economy scarcity bullshit associated with a regular card game for a digital product. Granted, this is what all the other digital card games are doing. The monetization model, though fair (relatively speaking) is something Valve should have fucking attempted to improve, which they didn't. They went with a standard model.

And that's the issue, they decided to not innovate. They decided to follow a trend instead of making something better. That was their problem. Everyone blames them for other shit but to me, my biggest contention was that they didn't fucking do anything new. They gave the public no information, gave beta keys to a limited number of people for a year, ignored their feedback, and released a pile of solid, surprisingly lacking in bugs, yet obviously average product.

They were lazy when they could afford to make the best product imaginable. The world would have tolerated low-effort from anybody else but this was Valve, which has unsurprisingly been low-effort for the past decade so I don't know why the fuck people expected any different.

This post is aids but old man demo would be pretty based

You can infinitely make as many accounts as you want though so it's not really a hindrance.

Shit like this is why I support Epic now

Fuck Valve

>not really a hindrance.
It is when you cheat on a 15 year old account. Feels great to flex on those fresh account cheaters.

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>tfw none of the VA's are even kept in the loop either
Literally Nathan told his experience of VAing for valve, they basically fly him out, keep him there for a week to record lines, and all he knows is the gist of the lines. They don't tell him what the update is, what the theme is, ect. he's basically gotta adlib all of it on no information.

I am tired of people thinking competitive players are responsible for the meet your match disaster.

I truly wish people would stop thinking that tf2bers are aware of what competitive is, how it should be implemented or whathever.
I almost exclusively play competitive and I can't help but cringe whenever I hear someone say that casual should be turned into "unranked sixes".
Not only would it make no sense to have "unranked" sixes, the sheer idea of removing casual/quickplay with anything else seems completely dumb.

-sincerely : a compfag that wishes casualfags would understand that valve hasn't been doing them any favors and that no intelligent person wishes for "unranked sixes", let alone have it instead of casual
with hopes we can get together against our common ennemy : valve's shitty laissez faire policy

>remake the physics
if you DARE touch rocket/sticky jumping, I will kill you!

retard alert

Wipe that trash tier paint off the scarf

What is going through Engineer's mind at this EXACT moment?

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faggot/10

Well yeah, do you think Valve would hire a specialist such as a voice acting director? Fuck no. Their fucking voice actors have to do their job AND the creative work too.

Valve is the sort of company that doesn't have someone fucking organizing the mail room. The fucking mail starts spilling underneath the door until someone realizes that they'll get a bonus for organizing it. Forget maintaining systems that minimize stress or organizing shit to mitigate stress. Nope, when it comes to a deadline it's fucking 18-hour-days crunch time and if you don't put in your 18-hours we'll fuck your pay.

Look at the comic. Nobody there was actually organizing the production of the comic. It was all three artists: line, writer, color doing the management themselves. Nobody prioritized shit for them they just did it. And now their priorities exist elsewhere, which is fucking making art for shit in Artifact. There will never again be a moment in the company where finishing the comic will be a good use of time; none of the three artists have a financial incentive to finish it; their fucking co-workers will fucking dock their pay if they, "work on a dying game like TF2 instead of making sure Artifact doesn't fucking die".

And obviously it's correct to be working on Artifact. There is zero money to be made on TF2's comic. And we get the comic for free. However, it's just another unfinished project. This is why it has always been a mistake to invest in Valve's artistic elements. Play for the game, you'd be a fucking idiot to invest in the art - like the fucking TF2 characters.

he's thinking that

youre
ugle

couldnt they just tell us the damn ending then? just cancel the bastard and do an epistle 3 sort of thing

"....who's using demo in our team?"

>You can probably get an undergraduate degree
I actually can, 2 fucking years

>he's a demoknight

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Hey Yea Forums,
yore
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emma cuntasaurus

>christmas themed
>red and green scarf
>says the scarf paint is trash

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this

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>>New Heavy (Misha got promoted)
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

hah

Ok sketchkek

IS THAT A FUCKING DELTARUNE REFERENCE

valve wont save tf2

have we all accepted that?

at this point id be happy if they just gave the game to fans, at least someone would be actually fucking working on the game

all tf2 needs is attention, and its been so long now that it needs a LOT of attention consistently from the devs to flourish again

maybe one day tf2 will reach its full potential, but i get less hopefully every year

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10/10 if you give sauce on that Susie

>Scout is now the Spy
read the comic you giant faggot

To be honest with you, I think they've written themselves into a corner and don't know how this shit is going to end.

The Administrator has only a couple hours to live. The conclusion of the comic and the fucking revelation of her motivations AND the resolution of her life's goal has to be complete in that window of time. In the meanwhile the team is on some fucking island and she is hidden on some other part of the planet.

The jokes will be funny but the actual conclusion to the plot won't be good at all. It's too much just like the G-Man and the Combine. They wowed us with too many awesome things but they haven't actually done anything to the deeper story in all these issues. We spent the first six fucking issues gathering the team back together and had them fight in issue seven. The Administrator, the whole fucking crux of this story, only appeared in the shadows the whole time.

200+ pages (as was the size of issue 7) is the equivalent of one year's worth of regular comic books. You can tell a lot of story in 200 pages. The problem is that most if not all of it will be flashbacks - flashbacks or history that should have been interspersed throughout all the earlier issues. In order to finish the comic they have to fucking flashback and maybe only spend 50 pages finishing everything from this moment on.

I'm saying that this won't end well. It will be a funny ride but it will be a shit storytelling experience. We'll get our closure but we'll be left with a feeling that it could have been better or that the exposition and plot development was rushed. And it could have been better if a fucking editor was organizing this shit in the long-term instead of three clearly unorganized artists.

Bitch has one hour to live. The remaining Austrailium is in space and not coming down. We have to fucking unravel two fucking generations of mercenary conflict in that time.

There isn't.
Ever since normalfags invaded gaming it's become an ""issue"" because their skin is too fucking thin.
If you are so unstable that reading curse words on the internet sends you into an austic rage or scares you then you probably should seek mental help.

oh please.
Administrator is going to die because the time between the comic was too long.

I will accept that cop-out as a hard reset and Miss Pauling having to figure out everything.

>TF3 is going to happen
No it's not. Valve can't even get their asses together to make another L4D. You think making TF3 would be any easier than that?

The ONLY thing I can see nu valve doing for TF3 without fucking it up is just to remake it in a new engine. That's it.
Anything else would ruin it.

they just need to rework the CPU problem.
Could see them porting to source 2

>Demo comes back (Old man Demo)
>New Spy (Scout is the new Spy, tries too hard to be classy but still mocks everyone from time to time)
>Medic comes back (No changes)
I like these points the most. Old Demo would be really cool, scout as spy I think would be interesting, and medic who doesn't change would be a nice reference too

>is just to remake it in a new engine
Let's be real here, that's exactly what Capcom is doing and Nintendo has been doing for decades. And it's cash money.

Just remake the old shit but prettier. Maybe throw in some quality of life improvements we should have implemented fucking years ago and people will suck our dicks for it. I'm not saying anybody would fucking accept such a lazy effort from Valve but it's a formula that works.

I honestly don't think anybody left at Valve even plays shooters or dogfoods. If you asked Valve programmers to make a shooter they would serious struggle to even understand why TF, CS, and L4D was so appealing. My friend who played a lot of CS said they're remaking all the maps with NONE of the intricacies that made those maps navigable as if none of them actually played the fucking game.