Smash Nitpicking Thread

WHY THE FUCK ARE LUCAS'S ALTS SO SHIT
NESS'S ALTS ARE SO GOOD ASIDE FROM A LACK OF PJs BUT HOLY FUCK EVERY SINGLE LUCAS ALT IS UGLY AS SIN

Why the fuck doesn’t Pac Man get more detail put in
>more moves from Pac Man World besides the up air flip
>no World/SNES spirits
>no NAMCO Spirits
>his star KO doesn’t have the arcade death sound

>k rool doesn't throw his crown like he does in DKC
>he doesn't look at the camera if he stands still after he throws it

>frog shirt
>dog shirt

are you retarded he has the best alts

This isnt a taunt

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Those alts are SHIT.
Ness gets cool shit like unique designs based on the Save Select screen and Master Belch, but all Lucas gets are stripe recolors and sprites lazily slapped on his shirt. They didn't even give him the Masked Man uniform.

>Kirby's piss poor representation
I'll never not be mad at it. You might as well not have him represented at all, it would unironically look better.

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>All of Lucina's alts are references to Awakening girls
>Chrom just has random colors and an Owain skin

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Kirby's representation from Sakurai's games isn't too bad.
Everything else is pretty bad though.

Sakurai is aware of it, which is why some newer Kirby games are represented in spirits.

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the orange and white one is kellam

What kirby character do you think should be added/cut? three characters would be a godsend for other series like yoshi and f-zero.

>his star KO doesn’t have the arcade death sound
Now that’s a missed opportunity

Who?

He has cool shirts man thats all that matters

pac mans pretty lonely too :( he should get a ms pac skin because he remind me of myself so much
t neet azn

>the orange and white one is
...yes? Are you going to finish, user?

No Punch-Out assist trophies

You have all of these memorable characters, yet not one of them gets to be an AT?

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>Fire Emblem
Nah, fuck that shit, I maybe a Fire Emblem fan, but that is some bullshit excuse and terrible use for a pun. You have the chose to put as many as you want, but if they are all swords then that's a big problem.

K.Rools alts are color swaps instead of his actual costumes. His copter goes only vertical instead of allowing people to go horizontal, as well. Plus it should work like diddy’s Jetpac, in the sense that if you hit it from the back, it spirals out of control

FLUDD undermines the entire point of Mario as a character. I shouldn’t have to play PhD to get the original Mario moveset.

>Big Mac

Punch-Out representation in general is pretty piss poor. No ATs, no items, and Doc Louis tips would have been way better than Palutena's Guidance.

>Pokemon don't have accurate shinies as alts
I really want to know what the reasoning for this is.

Is it a Game Freak request? Perhaps to maintain them feeling rare because they think if everyone saw them constantly in Smash they'd seem common?
Is it the Smash devs not wanting an alt to be more popular than the default?

Shinies are literal recolours, there's no reason for them not to be consistently used as one of the alts for every playable Pokemon.

But Doc always was the superior version, also Tornado as a dair isn't bad

Fire Mario alt being cut is a tragedy

>hair color changes now
NOOOO! They ruined Shulk!
Everyone online seems to praise that shit. I think it looks ridiculous, ssb4's subtlety was much better.

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I can't be the only one who hates Luigi's "planking".
Literally some retarded shit Sakurai invented. And now it occupies both a taunt and a victory pose slot.

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>Doc's victory jingle isn't this: youtube.com/watch?v=A8YIatTP6jc
>Mega Man's victory jingle isn't fucking this: youtube.com/watch?v=xRGDFcLlV_8
>victory jingles in general
It's already pretty sad that not everyone has their own victory jingle, but it's even sadder that they butchered some of them. Yoshi and Ice Climbers being the worst offenders.

Young Link looks like an enlarged toddler, with a gigantic head. He's now the same size as adult Link but with a head the size of the latter's torso, looks ridiculous. At least in Melee, Link and Young Link were proportional to each other, with different heights.

To be fair, that was before Luigi had a consistent personality and before Luigi's Mansion, Sakurai had to make shit up like the plaking and his Missile Side B as Luigi was just known as the second player back then.

>PacLand being the only stage to represent Pacman is ASS

>You're not given enough warning of team matches in online randoms, which has a lot of useless friendly fire going on at the beginning of the matches

> There is no "any" option for spirits being on or off.. which means barely any spirit matches get created or used.

>There's no way to find and challenge a friend you made online again

>There's no option to make the character select screen group franchises together to make it easier to find a character... I've played since 64 and even I have trouble with the current format.

>When in a battle arena team match the last person decides to be a dick and make it a 3v1 there NO WAY OUT!?

>Theres no clever ways to get Mii outfits like attaching their unlocks to spirit fights, just buy at the "shop"

>The shop is also the only way to get skins of main fighter spirits like Morton, female robin, alph, male wiifit trainer etc.

>You can't put gangplank galleon music on toon links ship stage or mix and match at all for that matter

>Corrin, shiek, Mii brawler and diddy need buffs

Bub & Bob will never make it into this beautiful game :(

2 minute long dk rap is the most retarded brain dead shit

agree that mega man's victory should have been that. i feel like if he had been introduced before 4 it would have been. their choices got less logical 4 onwards.

Fox's last palette swap shows him with purple fur. In-game, though, the fur is grey. Almost exactly like Wolf's.

The purple fur would've been nice to help differentiate the two a bit.

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Hey guys, just dropping by to say that SMTV releases on November 6th.

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>megaman still doesn't talk or emote outside like one victory pose

>still can’t organize stages and characters by series over the retarded numbering system
>going with the generic boss battle track from Kirby: Star Allies over Prayer Song to God, Hyness’ themes, or Void Termina’s themrs GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
>Mario Kart music is separated from the main Super Mario music for no reason when no other spin off series does this
>victory jingles being shortened for no reason
>Chrom’s victory jingle being the main FE theme over Id (Purpose) like Robin and Lucina
>Roy’s depiction in Smash in general
>this one’s probably a bit too big to be considered a nitpick but Dark Pit doesn’t really need to be an Echo of Pit considering the entirety of Chapter 6 in Kid Icarus: Uprising alone
>CAN’T MIX AND MATCH MII COSTUMES AND WEAPONS ALSO THERE’S NO POINT IN OFFERING DIFFERENT COLOURS WHEN BARELY ANY OUTFITS CHANGE COLOUR
There’s probably more but every once in a while I take a break from Smash and I think it’s a good thing

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Dunban and Reyn Shulk ugly as sin, but at least Melia and Fiora Shulk benefitted.

>No smash run or tour

That shit made my normie friends so happy.. I just want a random minigame thing to break up player Vs player battles for a good hour.. I don't care how he does it..

why the fuck are you comparing one of Nintendo's top franchises to one that died almost.10 years ago and one that is basically mario

>He doesn't like Ronald McDonald Shulk

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>He doesn't
>youtube.com/watch?v=KWQ34SGBtVU
>when he dies

The fact we didn't get a proper retro NES retro rep like we did in previous games. Some may say Simon and Plant, but it doesn't feel the same.

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Mike Jones should've been in the base game.

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>Mario gets 3 costumes
>Luigi gets none
At least give him the Mario Maker 2 one in the next update.

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>megaman still doesn't talk
Good. Fuck you.

>CAN’T MIX AND MATCH MII COSTUMES AND WEAPONS ALSO THERE’S NO POINT IN OFFERING DIFFERENT COLOURS WHEN BARELY ANY OUTFITS CHANGE COLOUR
That triggers me too a bit. I'm glad the Ninja costume is one of the few that changes colors.

He strategically includes the FE characters he likes instead of ones that aren't sword lords.

The fact the Links keep getting dark link skins which look like regular links in Halloween costumes instead of an actual void of light and red eyes infuriates me to no end.

Also Ganondorf still not being depicted as Ganondorf.. in what universe would he do the splits for a couple of seconds as an up tilt

Not being able to colour half the Mii outfits

Not being able to give us the full range of spirit images as player image options for online

>The announcer doesn't yell out the game title at the opening screen
>The amount of time it takes to load in alternate colors
>Can't press start to immediately skip the stats at the end of a game
>Cloud doesn't have his shrug animation as a taunt

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oh no he lif his leggy up then he's not the ganondorf I know. Real ganondorf doesn't lift his leggy!

Ganondorf is fun to play as, but it's more because Captain Falcon is fun to play as.
Never liked the clone shit in Smash Bros. If Ganon had Mewtwo's moveset, he'd already be closer to his canon than what they made him from melee onwards.

>Generic custom costumes got cut for Specific character costumes
I will never not be mad. I just want to make a nice looked armored knight sword fighter, but Black Knight's armor is the only plate armor set, and I don't want to make just black knights.

>no new codecs
>MGS only got two new remixes
>no actual wedding dress alt for peach
>No digby alt

I bet you want warios waft as a move for princess peach.

Imagine the smell

>Ganondorf, the dorito of power, uses dark magic to punch with incredible force.
Not Ganondorf
>Ganondorf thwacks people with his tail and refuses to use his hands for anything.
Now that's Ganondorf.

god I'm so good at fighting game design, when are they going to hire me?

>No digby alt
Fuck them for this. They go through effort of giving all the villagers alts but couldn't slap my boy on top of Isabelle. It isn't fair he's always treated like shit compared to Isabelle and should've at least been given that.

>Pokemon trainer alts are recolors instead of trainers from other gens

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God I fucking hate Smash 4's non existent textures

>Ultimate
>Still has the butchered DK Rap and Pollyanna
And there's a couple of music in there that are also cut for some reason, yet there are some music choices that have the full length.

Run was actually a good mode.

It’s the Business Suits for me. While I’m glad that changing the colour at least swaps the ties, I do wish there was an option to colour the suits themselves. Nothing wrong with a slick black suit, but if you’re customizing a character, you should be allowed to have a little more freedom imo

The costumes and alt colours in general for Smash 5 kind of suck. The BotW outfit is great on Link... but only if you’re using the original blue tunic, his alts suck. Same with getting rid of Mac’s 16 palette options when they’re were already there to begin with. Same situation with the Mii Fighters. Whether the pieces were generic or character-themed, it was stupid to get rid of any of them. Especially if they were Nintendo-owned to begin with, or generic.

Fuck you, faggot. Megaman could always talk.

The only times Mega Man talked during gameplay were in Mega Man 8 and 11. Just because he's able to doesn't mean he should.

Yes, so? That doesn't mean he has to. Smash Megaman being silent works well. Eat a dick for thinking otherwise.

>Not liking MvC megaman's voice
Reminds me that this should have been a taunt as well

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you're a retarded nostalgia faggot lmao

I hate the retarded L spikes on Wolf, it just looks so dumb.

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they're based on the other gens, so i'm fine with it

>He doesn't recognize the Green palette is of Ylisse's true heir

Falco sucks again

By your logic, we should base every single character on their shitty first incarnation. Mario should be tiny and brown and emotionless too, right?
Fuck off, he even emotes more in concept art. There is no reason the Smash incarnation should be completely stoic and the only people who think he should are "UNGA BUNGA MM2 IS ALL I EVER PLAYED DAE THINK AIRMAN IS IMPOSSIBLE XD" retards like you.

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I really wish Link had a few BotW armor sets as his alts.

>Changes the name of the Castelvania song "Crucifix held close" to "Cross your heart"
>Doesn't use Ganondorfs Hyrule Warriors model
>Includes Alph instead of giving Olimer 8 alts
>Uses Ken instead of Chun-Li as Ryu's alt

Stay mad shitlord. I'm the one kicking my feet up laughing at you and being glad Megaman is silent.

>Together we ride is now "Story 5 meeting"
>PokeFloats is now "Red/Blue Medley"

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>Uses Ken instead of Chun-Li as Ryu's alt
This one is retarded as fuck.
Chun-Li has a completely different moveset, how can she be an echo for Ryu?

Way to completely miss the point fuckface. In MOST of his gameplay incarnations, Mega Man is completely silent. If you don't understand why he's a mute in Smash then you're beyond saving.

Fuck the world of light mode, it's annoying, repetetive and partially unfair as fuck. How is it fun in any way to get fucked by opponents with ridicolous powerups that throw skill out the window?

I don't really care for Pikmon but feel sorry for Alph. I'm sure Sakurai thinks its special he's the only character that's both an alt and technically a separate character but fuck you, that's more of an insult when you have shit like Dark Pit taking up a separate roster spot.

>Bayonetta songs don't have vocals

>Uses Ken instead of Chun-Li as Ryu's alt
Are you fucking stupid? That actually makes more sense.

>tfw no vocals for Tomorrow Is Mine
On the subject of songs without vocals
>Snake Eater doesn't fucking have it vocals
Shit is straight up criminal.

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Pit is also silent is the majority of his non-Smash incarnations. Lucas and Ness are also silent in the majority of their non-smash incarnations. Simon is also silent in the majority of his non-Smash incarnations. Palutena is also silent in the majority of her non-Smash incarnations.
I bet you defend Isabelle not making her animalese noises too, you fucking mong.

If Dark Pit wasn't done as he was, we wouldn't have Bowser Jr, and when it comes down to it, a B-lister from a franchise that is never going to stop getting games is a much better choice than a D-lister.

>be cloud
>get only 2 tracks for your stage and 2 spirits both of them being literally you

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What is even the point of FLUDD and squirtles water gun?

>Get a bad matchup online
>Can't switch out without declining rematch

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When are we getting one for Switch?

That's a drago

>implying this isn't a direct improvement save for the lack of variety in the clips because of how the mod works
youtu.be/lxpdWBV3Mx4

oops wrong thread lul

>comparing characters that appeared in only a handful of games at best to a character that stared in around a dozen of games before appearing in Smash
Hello, retard. And no, I don't defend Isabelle not making animalese noises. Stop assuming things.

>>victory jingles being shortened for no reason
This is the biggest offender. What was the point of shortening them? Did some playtester raise a stink over having to hear 1 - 2 extra seconds of sound or something? It just made Yoshi's and the IC's sound like shit, and it's pointless when plenty of others are just as long, if not longer, as those two's were in 4/Brawl.

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>Volcanic Rim isn't a track for the street fighter stage

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The point is that Megaman either talks or is implied to be able to talk in nearly every single fucking entry in the series, even if he doesn't talk during gameplay because it's a fucking NES game. You can't say "WELL HE DOESN'T TALK DURING GAMEPLAY OUTSIDE OF 8 AND 11 HURRR" when every other game in the series was either on SNES/NES limitations or was mimicking the latter.

>Some may say Simon and Plant
But Simon and Plant aren't retro reps though? Castlevania's last game was in 2014, and Simon's classic design was the one used in a majority of his games. IIRC, redhead Simon was only in a fraction of his appearances. And Plant is from Mario of all series. It'd be like saying Mario is retro because he started on NES.

Stahl?

Speaking of Smash 4 sound effect mods, they should've added this in Ultimate.
youtu.be/DifVzmpgCa0

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this would make me want to play as him more

Ryu's theme, despite getting remixed, still sounds like a villain's theme.

I mean, Street Fighter's music is pretty bad, but you had a chance to fix at least some of it.

And I'm aware of that, but Sakurai's goal was to mimic how he appears in gameplay (mainly the NES games) hence why he's a mute.

>no barbarian armor
Why even live

>toon link
>no windwaker costume
>up b not from windwaker
>literally not even a windwaker in game
>character select screen
>username can remember vibration preferences, cant remember which character I just used, no default of using same character, wont remember my skin, have to wait for all skins to load before I can click the same skin I just used
>logging in only effects my vibrate
>no custom stage builder anymore
>added lag in a fighting game. Literally mario party is easier to react than this shit
>air dodges are a mess
>Marths
>not having optional fighting styles of characters: Melee ganon; Brawl Gannon
>they gave us a plant stuck in a pipe instead of someone with a weapon. Who next, toad? Goomba? Paratrooper?

>And I'm aware of that, but Sakurai's goal was to mimic how he appears in gameplay (mainly the NES games) hence why he's a mute.
And I'm saying that's absolutely fucking retarded and a total misrepresentation of Megaman's actual character, hence this post:

i don't play street fighter. I just want more character variety.

>no new codecs
This is still a little sad for me. I know Colonel's va is dead, but if that's the case, why not just have Snake call Otacon and the others for all the new characters? Shit, have him call other MGS characters too.

Which one is his regular design?

>victory theme isn't just the boss defeat music
stop jerking off mega man 2, you fucks

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You will be surprised over how many say they are

Not even that user, but Cringe.

That's nice and all but you shouldn't say stupid shit like that. Ken was both easier to add and makes more sense to be Ryus echo. For Chun-li it would make far more sense for her to be her own separate character and not an echo.

Castlevania is ongoing but Simon hasn't been a main character in decades. Rictter represent modern castlevania, he was a playable character in POR.

>Elite Smash
I don't care about git gud or what have you, 4's matchmaking was fine. 2 stock final destination with nothing on the line but meaningless GSP. With Elite Smash, everyone is tryharding all the fucking time with top tier characters and if you see someone low tier you know they are going to be fucking god like in Elite. It's a surefire way to make a game with over 70 viable characters feel samey and unbalanced. People will just pick what is statistically more likely to win.

It should have been:
3 stock
Final Destination/Battlefield
7:00 minutes
Elite Smash is a secret that only the team knows about.

>Not even that user
Sure you aren't, Jimbo.

But his Up B is from Wind Waker, and a Wind Waker is in one of his taunts

At least the plant has a unique anatomy that only ROB even remotely resembles, so they got some mileage out of that.

>brings back almost all the older stages
>doesn't bring back the older Battlefields and Final Destinations

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they really should've done all OOT designs for the Zelda characters instead

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ok I admit I should have worded it differently. I suppose it's not really a nitpick at this point, but I just really think Chun-Li would have been a better SF rep.

>d-don't call me c-cringe!
Cringe.

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You're the one mad here, buddy, not me.

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In five minutes he'll stop being mad, but you'll still be retarded.

But all I did was call you cringe.

No he wont. He'll still be here seething over keyboard and responding to me. Watch. See

I imagine the logic went something like this:
1) We have just enough time to add a few extra animations and such, but not enough time to make a full extra character. Let's update a couple of the Echo Fighters and see how far we can push them.
2) We still have this unspoken rule about guest fighters being one-per-franchise, but we can use Echo Fighters to sorta dance around that.

Leaving Chun Li as just not being an option in either or both cases.

>No opening cinematic
I know World of Light got one but goddamnit, Melee's was the fucking shit. I also don't like that the lyrics version of Lifelight is what plays on startup. I don't have a problem with the song but I prefer it being something you experience at the end of the game during credits, beating World of Light, etc. Starting with it makes it less special and also gives zoomers a bigger opportunity to yell CRINGE!!!

>Ready to fight covers up character select screen
FUCK! I HATE THIS!

>seething over keyboard
Cringe and apparently ESLpilled.

GIVE
NEW
VICTORY
THEMES
never fucking ever

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Toldja.

>Introduce Echoes
>Establish rules for them being VERY similar
>Some are literally the same
There was a point where I tricked myself into noticing small differences but some are so fucking identical they may as well have been costumes.

Crindja.

>Fire Emblem's symbol is a Sword and not The Fire Emblem
Will never, ever make me not mad

I'm still surprised Ganondorf doesn't have his own, especially after Bowser and Jr. got one in 4.

Waiting until the final direct to show Shadow as an assist

Seriously, why do that? Does Sakurai really think people will be happy to see their favorite characters return as an AT? At least show him earlier.

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>453235962
>one trick pony that can only shout the same thing
At least put some effort into getting my attention.

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Cringe.

>Fans seem to be upset that Kirby ganes I didn't direct have no content in Smash Bros. So let's add Marx and Chef Kawasaki from Kirby Superstar! Characters from other games can just be pngs lol (except for the spider and painter, you don't exist).
What did he mean by this?

>453236224
Yes, you are.

>n-no u
Cringe.

I'd be happy to see Jill come back at all, honestly.
I just want Drill Dozer to be acknowledged again. ;_;

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>Cringe
Cringe

>Playing in arena
>Must be in line or in the bleachers to spectate
>Swapping characters loads a huge window where you're practically booted from the room while doing it
>Someone picking a stage overrides random
>It only uses the host's music settings
>Can't have multiple rings in a single arena

It's frustrating how archaic these are. It's not even a matter of Nintendo not knowing how to do netcode, it's just shitty design. Also, why the fuck does the character select take so much time to bring up the renders of the characters? It's fucking baffling.

>Cringe
>Cringe
Cringe

Nintendo aknowledging clones as "echoes" just validates repetition of the same characters with cosmetic changes in future games.
>"oh, but this one gives +2% on the punch!"
>"but this one is slightly faster!"
Wow, fucking great. I'd rather have less characters and more skins, like Olimar/Alph does.

Shulk's hamburger face on the victory screen can just fuck off

Cringe.

Cringe.

Gimping someone who's offstage

Fucking finally someone mentions it. He looks like a mannequin with a painted face, the uncanny valley is too strong on him now.

How do I blankpost too?

Wolf doesn't either for that matter, though Ganondorf deserves it more. Perhaps they thought to keep the Zelda line unified through the theme even being different versions. But that's a shitty copout and they're shitters for not updating them all.

In the grand scheme of things, I somewhat wonder if it would've been better to skip the whole echo convention and just have added them as clones. If echoes need to be so similar to the originals, maybe clones with a few more
differences would've been better.

Like, I dunno, maybe the throwing knives for Richter instead of the cross. I won't lie, I never got around to Rondo, but I assume he has them

Echos have always existed in fighting games. It's really about playing as your favorite character. For example I like newer castlevania titles so prefer Richter.

Cringe.

Having the same announcer really adds to the whole rushed/reused assets feeling at times. Starting to get real tired of him.

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just..why

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>Smash Nitpicking thread
don't you mean Smash Autism thread?

It still is just filler'ing the roster.

He has one of the best victory themes in the game so it balances out.

>'Fountain of Dreams' is now just 'Gourmet Race (Melee)'
There's a lot of weird design decisions in this game. A lot of tracks are referred to by a generic name instead of, you know, their actual name. But the example above is outright sinful. You don't just call 'Fountain of Dreams', what I would argue is one of the more iconic songs in Kirby, "Gourmet Race (Melee)".

It's not that I necessarily have a problem with Pittoo being introduced as a clone character, but now there's something of another Ganondorf situation where he's swinging around his staff all over the place without actually using it in battle. My main thing is that he has so much more potential than just a Pit clone in both lore and moveset, and it's something that I hope is changed later in the series. You could do a whole moveset around his signature Dark Pit Staff alone, or have him use a combination of weapons like Pit. Darkness Bow/Ogre Club/Dark Pit Staff, the weapons he used in his chapter.

I don't really have anything to input on the Mega Man situation, but it sure does make me upset that Isabelle doesn't speak Animalese. Same with Olimar, Alph, and Pac-Man. The Pikmin boys actually have voices, and after giving both ROB and Duck Hunt Duo something of a voice, it's a bit inexcusable that Pac-Man doesn't at least make some more arcade noises.

This. Seriously wtf, would have been great. First three FDs are my favourites, and Melee BF is my favourite

You idiots, he said YHVH

I don't know what the hell they did to his model. He looked fine in Sm4sh.

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Cringe.

Kept me waiting.

Samus has had her "new" neutral air for three games now; the majority of the series.

No, I get that. I don't inherently mind clones, but I feel Brawl handled it better. Lucas and Wolf feel more unique from Ness and Fox than, say, Richter and Simon do.

No Twilight of the Gods.
Seriously.
The added multiple songs from Echoes, but not this masterpiece.
youtu.be/tKJQwhNxkEw
What the fuck are you doing, Sakurai?

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Cringe and waitpilled.

>18 years since last non-clone character from zelda series.

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Love you too user but this has gone on long enough. I'll suck you some other day.

> No music from series like Custom Robo, Sin & Punishment, Advance Wars, Starfy, Frog Bell Tolls etc.
> No new Wario music

Cringe and nonsuckpilled.

>no Tropical Freeze stage
>only Tropical Freeze songs are direct rips
>one is from the first level in the game, the other is a Jungle Hijinx (though to be fair it's one of the best versions)
I shouldn't complain because I got K. Rool and the phenomenal remixes that came with him, but come on.

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The lack of final boss themes in general sucks.
>Twilight of the Gods
>End of All
>original 02's Theme because that remix is fucking tragic and unnecessary
At least 'In the Final' from M&L BIS is still here, and the remixes for Lorekeeper Zinnia, Steven, and Cynthia's themes from Pokemon are actually pretty good. Diantha's Theme being here as well is nice.

>Alph isn't an Olimar echo that just gets the old Brawl Pikmin chain
>Excitebikers Saki, Ray, the AW soldiers, and Jill were cut as AT's (I know their series are dead, but that's why it's a little sad to me. It's not like they're going to get used for anything else)
>the victory themes are almost all fucked up
>no fan
>no Mushroom Kingdom 3 based on SMB3
>no Pac-Maze
>no new Wario music
>spirits don't have descriptions like trophies did
>can't reorganize the select screens
>no stage creator
Overall, I really do love Ultimate, but I can't help but feel there's a few missed opportunities.

>It only uses the host's music settings
What do you mean? It uses the host's My Music settings? I always choose a song with my stage pick, so I never noticed anything like that.

Why would anyone want to give up white and purple pikmin? Introducing yet another fucking clone in the game, at that?

sword is more accurate to how the franchise is portrayed in smash

It should be noted that Shadow was completely remodeled into a much higher poly model than he was in brawl and 4(which reused brawls)

This is probably why he was absent.

Because we already made Dark Pit, Lucina, and Doc into characters, so why not Alph? I thought Alph with Olimar's old chain would be a little fun.

Bald Bull, Aran Ryan and King Hippo should be AT years ago, those are non brainers.

Also Doc Louos Should had codecs like Palutena and Snake

>they didn't even make spirits for the Midgar summons

This is 100% SE's fault, not Sakurai.

Only four new stages.

>No remix of Dark Samus's theme from MP2 to go with her inclusion, the only Metroid remix is a song that was already remixed in a previous Smash game

Sometimes I don't get the decisions they made.

Xenoblade characters always have had ugly faces.

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He looks better in the N64 graphics of his game than in the newest rendition of Smash. Speaks volumes.

I was hoping King Hippo would've actually made it in as a fighter alongside Mac, back around the post-Brawl years. But, then again, if F-Zero couldn't get one after being in since 64, I doubt Punch-out will get one out of the blue.

Thats square's fault

>Sonic only gets two new tracks
>one from Forces and the other from Mania
>not a single new remix

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This blows my mind. Is SE really so stingey with their IP that they won't as so much at least allow the midgar summons to have spirits, let alone have Cloud's FF7 art as the spirits instead of his smash render?

BTW does any spirit battle use Cloud as a character? Haven't seen it (or maybe was distracted), but seen Midgar being used as a stand in for Post-Apocalyptic City battles

Why do all the Pokemon spirits use the shitty Dream World art?

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I guess because the other art is Sugimori licensed, but could be for consistency. Sugimori art changed over the time, compare Bulbasaur to Incineroar and look the lineart and detail. In comparison, DW artwork may be shit but it's consistent at least

Yeah, but I don't think he's in any of the ones in World of Light. I know he's used for Master Edges.

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I see you didnt play the game but you still feel inclined to correct me. Are you 16?

In the game his up b has mobility. You can also charge it so the attack lasts longer, has a unique sound, hits harder than any other game, and stuns you if you fully charged it and miss everyone.

Also, ganons sword started out as a taunt.

In the video game it wasnt a taunt. It allowed you to control a large environment factor in the game that either put you at an advantage or disadvantage

I know Sakurai isn't at fault, but it just baffles me that SE can be such a pain with their IPs.

Master Edges and Zeke use Cloud. Both of these are exclusive to the spirit board and don't appear in WoL. Rumor is that SE was iffy about Cloud "dying" which is why he doesn't appear in the opening for WoL and his inclusion is bare minimum.

oh boy pngs, thanks a fucking lot

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Fucking this

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Add Donkey Kong, featuring stages pulled from these iconic DK games
>DK Arcade
>Smash 64
>Melee
>

Here's an actual nitpick, the Prince's snake form in Ultimate is a different color for some weird reason

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Here's how it looked in Smash Wii U

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The lyrics suck ass anyway

As a DKC super fan I actually really love how he's represented in smash. My only minor gripes are I just wish he had different taunts
I would've gone with his hurt animation from DKC1 with the accompanying "UGH!" sound effect
And one where he just plays dead.

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And the official artwork for comparison

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>Referee is assist

>tells you B moves or smashes are illegal to use while he's present. you get a stat nerf if you do.

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Gamefreak is somehow more jewish than Square Enix

You managed to break free from the 2 minute limit with the new remixes but you still bring back the butchered versions

Give me the full version of the DK rap damn it

Why did they even make another Green Greens in Melee if they just ported the old one?
We could've gotten something from the newest game at the time.

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Glad i'm not the only one that saw it, another thing I noticed with Sable is that he doesn't have his index finger out when he's summoned

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The Great Cave Offensive stage was a mistake

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This is how it looked in Smash 4

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It's still pretty funny that Sakurai pretty much created an entirely original design for Wolf, outside of his head

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And the box art from the game

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Snake should be in this image too

Pro-tip: Ice Climbers were the only characters cited as being added for the sake of wanting a retro rep.

Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B, and Duck Hunt were, in Sakurai's words, "surprise characters", not retro reps. And Pirahna Plant is intended to be Ultimate's equivalent to that. It was really more of a coincidence that the other characters happened to be 'retro'.

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What about Pit?

So are you saying it's offensive?

CARLOS

>tfw someone on launch week was insulting me cause i said falco has the same issues from smash 4
>tfw i was right all along

Added due to popularity

ign.com/articles/2006/05/18/sakurai-talks-smash-brothers-brawl

ign.com/articles/2006/05/31/sakurais-smash-bros-update

>I was well aware that Pit was a popular character in both America and Japan. I tried as best I could to design this version of him in a way that reflected current tastes, so I'm happy to see him so well received.

Again, wasn't just because "well i need to add a retro rep, hyuck"

Here is my fucken nitpick. People who play defensively are anti fun.

Here's a big one that people always call me ungrateful for but it really is ridiculous

"Why don't we add almost every old stage but leave out like 8 of them despite coming so close?"

>popularity
In what fucking world was Kid Icarus ever popular beyond a small window in the 1980's

My nitpick is why doesn't Wolf have a Fox alt?

>marth speaks english

This was before zoomers picked their characters user. Besides, KI wasn't as big as Mario or Zelda, but it was bigger than titles like Mach Rider and such. It got a Game Boy sequel and Pit was one of the main characters in Captain N. Not a surprise why people would think Pit would be a good fit (heh) for Smash.

>Sm4sh and Ultimate
>Majority

I mean, I guess when you put it like that it makes more sense. Still, if that's the case, I just wonder why Little Mac didn't make it in before Pit did.

Who should I main? Deciding between:

Roy
Wolf
Pikachu
Snake
Simon

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Rock Star stage with sand pits and Snipper hazards
Shiver Star stage with HR-H as a stage hazard.
Neo Star stage with a volcano in the background shooting flaming rocks onto the stage.

I liked most of the vocal tracks from Forces

Just play who you like or have the most fun with.

This mostly but
>Samus' taunts sucks
>no metroid 2 pose
>other m suit

Well, Sakurai did mention that Pit was popular in both the west and the east. Mac and Punch-Out!! in general were only popular in the former.

Yet

If you dont plan on tryharding than Simon, if you want to go tourneyfag I would say Snake

At least you got a new boss, Pokemon and Earthbound didn't even got their bosses from brawl back.

and to think we had a stage that represented DKC returns in smash 4 but it had to be cut because stage morph, a feature that literally nobody uses, was SO important

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Punch-Out's popularity is mostly an American thing. Kid Icarus was well liked in Japan as well as the west. Both franchises were in the same spot, so the one with more worldwide appeal was chosen first.

Samus/DS Jab2 doesn't fucking work
WHY?
Online is shit, even the best connections have terrible intrinsic lag.

Why is it so fucking unreliable to get down from plataforms? Why is it different from the other games?

Also buffer system is not bad when well implemented. But it's ducking atrocious in this game. How many SD's have i seen because of a buffered airdodge or double jump

I’m still mad “Battle for the Umbran Throne” isn’t in the game.

I have no problem with Forces music overall. Space Port, Network Terminal 1, and Metropolitan Highway were tracks I was hoping would make it in. I'm just pissed about the lack of tracks added and remixes.

We can only hope it gets back in during some update like Duck Hunt did on 3DS. At the very least, a version without the back and forth gimmick. Shame because I really liked the falling tower gimmick.

>Lucina, Dark Pit, Dark Samus, all echoes
>Get a unique victory theme
>Doc ends up not being an echo and a more orignal character
>Is stuck with the Mario fanfare that doesn’t make any sense

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>You don't just call 'Fountain of Dreams', what I would argue is one of the more iconic songs in Kirby, "Gourmet Race (Melee)".
That's like the only name change that actually makes sense
The actual Fountain of Dreams sounds like this
youtube.com/watch?v=COD5tCMDqKA

>King K. Rool doesn't have a taunt where he plays dead, then gets back up
>King K. Rool doesn't have a taunt where he pulls out his blunderbuss, it explodes and covers him in soot
>King K. Rool doesn't have a pirate garb alt costume

Bald Bull would be a better choice

the lighting on the results screen looks fucking terrible

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the ref doesn't even call out illegal moves in Punch-Out

>Olimar is still silent.

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I wouldn’t mind that but I really like the pointing. Get rid of the one where he just looks back and forth

Balloon fight is recognized as its own universe already. It even has a fighter, a stage hazard and a proper stage.

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Probably not a legitimate nitpick but:
>Announce echoes
>Doesn’t go crazy with the concept and add a little more than what we have
A lot of characters could have echoes, hell, I think all of the third parties currently in the game could feasibly have echoes. It bothers me that they all don’t while only Castlevania and Street Fighter do. And it’s pretty obvious by now that they don’t take much time to develop and they have potential to not be lazy (See: Ken).

What's weird is that Brawl wolf was clearly just a slight redesign of Star Fox Assault Wolf, but Ultimate Wolf is more of a redesign of Brawl Wolf than any his actual Star Fox appearances.

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Wolf is Tourneyfag bait.
But yeah, everyone should play whichever us the most fun for them. Unless you want to live by smash or something.

Hell. Even M2K plays every character for fun

>can't change character while in arena queue
what the actual fuck nintendo?

Daroach for smash

god what i would do to get more punch out representation for smash

I miss Smash 4 Link.

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My biggest nitpick is that Hatsune Miku isn't playable

>Daroach
You're alright, user.

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That's because Dr. Mario isn't an echo :^) At least Dark Pit is covered by his bias. The same reason Meta Knight has his own victory theme.

Alph should keep the winged pikmin, olimar should keep the chain. It makes more sense for alph to have winged pikmin than olimar.
Retool the purple pikmin so they latch onto people but weigh them down. Rock pikmin should take the purple pikmins old niche and slam into people when thrown. Winged pikmin should make aerials do more damage and cause more damage when latched to people in the air. Olimar has purple and white, alph has wing and rock.

That's one of the things why I really believe Wolf was intended to be in Sm4sh, but was pushed back to give him his "Wolverine" polish.
When Sakurai meant he based him off Zero, he was just referring to his head. The body was already available even before Zero.

>Porky
>Not Giegue

that cliff level was fucking incredible

>No trophies
>And therefore no Trophy set up and photo mode or mini game to get said trophies
>No Descriptions on Spirits, just .pngs

I stay mad

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based

>Sake doesn't have his MGS1 suit
>Sonic still doesn't use his classic design (pic related was even from a fighting game) but Pacman, Megaman, Cloud, and Simon do

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Classic Sonic wasn't a thing during Brawl

Sonic doesn't use his Classic design because of SEGA I'm assuming. Not to mention his moveset already calls back to old games in the franchise while also representing current ones

>Sonic gets super shitty music
>Fucking Sonic

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Mega Man uses his classic design because of how he was incredibly requested during the Brawl, far over the modern Mega Man designs
Pac-Man, Cloud, and Simon use their classic designs because those are their most iconic
Cloud also has his modern design as an option
Sonic's Modern design is just as, if not more iconic than his Classic design. Plus, Classic Sonic wasn't a thing during Brawl, and both characters were just considered Sonic

What do you mean? Most of the songs he has in Smash are good ones. The problem is that they picked all the obvious ones and there's such a limited amount, including no remixes aside from the one he's had since he was introduced in Brawl.

You’re worried about Sonic’s aesthetic design, but I’m still mad he doesn’t have a new Side-B. He could’ve easily had Sonic Wave like in pic related and if used in the air he does the wave kick from Lost World 3DS. Or reworked Side-B into boost, just fucking something other than an extremely similar looking move in both aesthetic and functionality.

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Well this, there could have been more variety but there are things like Sonic Heroes and Super Sonic Racing

>elder ike should have at least gotten the greil and sigurd colors, he got all the shitty ones.
>black and white classic wario is still gone

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Still wish we got more Mania songs, Endless Possibility, and What I'm Made Of, though

>Giygas in Smash
>looks like pic related
How would you respond?

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FEMALE MEWTWO OMG GUISE

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>City Escape
>Sonic Boom
>Super Sonic Racing
whats the problem?

They mostly picked main themes and vocal themes is my only issue. No boss music, one or two songs per game, no remixes, etc.

>Olimar or Alph doesn't have their voices when Bowser Jr and the seven Koopalings all have their own voice
>Pikmin music is all lighthearted and gentle pieces instead of its more threatening soundtrack pieces like the boss theme and Wistful Wild
>Pikmin has two stages, and Pikmin 3's stage is a basic grassy area instead of something cool like Twilight River or Formidable Oak
>Alph's model is literally just squished onto Olimar's when most characters who have male/female variants have entirely different models to them
>No Rock Pikmin for Alph.
You can tell Sakurai barely cares about Pikmin.

I think the point people are making is that the list could be better. Could have songs like: Emerald Coast, Windy Valley, Emerald Beach, Back 2 Back, Toy Kingdom, Twinkle Snow, etc.

>I'd rather have less characters and more skins

IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME THING

>Back 2 Back over Wrapped in Black or Ska Cha Cha

You have a point, user. Don’t know how I let them slip my mind.

I honestly have a harder time coming up with things I like about the game. If this is the last Smash game what a fucking waste. I can't see them just making just this game again but more for a sequel. Sakurai would rather rip his ballsack out than let them make an actual enhanced port. It would have to be a revamp and things obviously would have to get cut.

>no grassland grooves stage and music
Its fucking criminal

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>(except for the spider and painter, you don't exist).
I'm still sad. These two were my favorites in SA.

I dislike Greg Chun as Ike. His voice doesn't have the same badass feel that the previous VA had.

I just hear Ephraim and he's a fag.

I would've loved a Rock Star remix.

I don't see why Rock Pikmin weren't added to the normal moveset in general. Honestly Purple Pikmin don't act at all like they do in game. They still latch on to enemies. They should just give Purples stuning properties and give Rocks shield breaking properties.

it was something they had to do. ike's old VA literally forgot how to act.

how the fuck can Samus have an ice beam in almost every single metroid game, but not in smash?

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It makes a lot of sense and I think giegue is somewhat more iconic a mother villain than porky, while also being a lot easier to design since it would mainly just be a mewtwo clone. Plus it'd have an awesome final smash where its body shatters and becomes formless like its mother 2 fight.

I thought that Ikes VA is the same from Brawl

>it

It.

>it

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Get outta here Kamoshida, go back to raping Shiho

I've used stage morph a couple times, it's fun. I miss that stage though and would rather just see it not included in stage morph than see it gone for good.

That.

Ridley doesn’t scream when he enters the battle. It was in his smash intro video but it’s not in the game?

Tbh I wish they just reused the voice lines.

I know he got a new VA in the mobile game, and it sounds good there. But in Smash he just sounds bored.

He had the same VA in Brawl and Smash 4. Ultimate uses his new VA, Greg Chun

>Bowser wears the wedding outfit for almost all of Odyssey but doesn't get the Smash costume
>Mario gets the wedding outfit in spite of it being completely optional or only for a tiny segment in Oddysey

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Big nitpick: I hate what Smash has become. Instead of staying a quirky Nintendo crossover, it's now its own entity and it shows. It's why you get odd choices like the lack of references in some areas (See Diddy and K. Rool like some other anons mentioned) and stuff like the Piranha Plant transforming into Petey from SSE instead of something like a say, a Naval Piranha with its thorn vines. This post by another user explained it nicely. Also jumping from official Smash titles to modded Smash, it's not even funny how one man can miss so much with a massive budget, but a few fans in their spare time can do so much (Diddy in Project M and even Ness when he Star KO's someone, holy shit). One man shouldn't be making all the calls and it shows.

Smaller shit
>READY TO FIGHT banner covers the entire screen, fuck you I wanna pick another CPU to train with
>A few more echoes would have topped the roster nicely, Alph missed his chance and sadly Dixie as well. It was also another chance to maybe make more Dr. Mario-esque clones
>Not a nitpick in Ultimate but I skipped the 3DS game: Why was that Gameboy stage a fucking Kirby stage? Way to get my hopes up, Sakurai
>While Pichu is fine as is, Y. Link or even Toon Link could have gotten something new with their kit if everyone was returning. Either or would have been fine
>No jump momentum, playing that bonus game is tedious because of it. I don't get what world Sakurai is in to think the movement in Brawl onward is acceptable. Games in the 80's had jump momentum. I'm not even talking competitively, I mean in general
>No beefed up Smash Run with assists as enemies you can beat and even recruit

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>Piranha Plant transforming into Petey from SSE
Piranha Plant doesn't transform.

let it go, faggot

>people complain about Petey
>everyone defended Giga Bowser
smashfags are hypocrites

Year of the Pig baby

>responding several hours late to someone that may no longer be here
Take your own advice dumbass

I didn't like Giga Bowser either personally, but I think he's been in smash for long people forgot that giga bowser originated in smash

I genuinely hope that was a mistake that will be corrected, or Sakurai needs to be banned from touching Kirby.

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Regardless, that's still Petey from SSE and not the plant transforming into Petey and shooting goop on the stage. Anything from the actual Mario games would have been good.

Did I mention Giga Bowser in my post, faggot?

>and stuff like the Piranha Plant transforming into Petey from SSE instead of something like a say, a Naval Piranha with its thorn vines.
He doesn't transform into Petey at all. He summons Petey to fight alongside him.

Real fucking nitpicks here.
>Bowser still doesn't have his voice, despite Bowser Jr. having his.
>Donkey Kong still doesn't have his voice. (Diddy's voice is ass no matter what incarnation and K. Rool's is at least not pure stock noises.)
>Olimar and Alph don't have their voices.
>Isabelle is weirdly silent too, when she even had the babble in Mario Kart.

But that alone goes back to my point and that user's point in the screencap: Smash has become its own thing and it's a bit damning if you're expecting oodles of Nintendo references instead of Sakurai doing what he feels is right.

I'm glad ultimate has woken more people up to the fact that Sakurai hates Kirby games he didn't make.

despite the fact that all of his appearances give him the smash series logo instead of the mario one

I'm not. This problem was supposed to be highlighted by Smash 4 and its DLC.

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>A few more echoes would have topped the roster nicely
Fucking this, I’m still slightly ass mad that this concept was introduced but it felt as though they barely touched the surface. It doesn’t help that Ken is legitimately the only echo with the most work put into while the others are varying degrees of lazy.

At least it's cockblocking Bandana Dee from being playable so I don't mind

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Or we could have a Duck Hunt scenario with the both of them. Might be fun

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tfw never ever

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>No different victory themes for Ness and Lucas
>Chrom doesn't share Lucina and Robin's victory themes
>most of the victory themes are reused since brawl
>Mario is still mad all the time instead of being closer to his galaxy or odyssey happy incarnations
>young link's FS isn't fierce deity
>I can't put mario world music on yoshi's island SMW.

Just too many...

>Dynablade is a legend despite only having two proper ingame appearances
>Magalor is a run of the mill Ace spirit

Thinking about it, I'm surprised he let Bandana Dee be so strong and Galacta Knight be the strongest non endboss spirit.

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I honestly think the Kirby games are shit and I accept that its deserving of a new character and a stage that isn't the tree again.

It's his up taunt.

You can't have a hat Goomba argument now that a literal plant is playable.

I'd rather see the girl from Robobot fighting in her mechsuit and I'm a hardcore Waddle Deefag. Not even Bandana Dee specifically, I just love the little guys.
>the no Octoling echo

Honestly, get rid of third party content. Yes some of them are cool additions that even I like, but this game already neglects too many Nintendo characters and series, and all the time and effort used on third party content could be going into them instead.
>No different victory themes for Ness and Lucas
What really pisses me off is that their games LITERALLY HAVE THEIR OWN VICTORY THEMES and he didn't use them at all. He's done this for other series too like Pokemon. It sends me into an autistic rage just thinking about it.

I share your pain. All those months of wanting to believe only to get the ultimate bitch slap.

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based retard

>Kirby games are shit
Why?

It amazes me how each third party didn’t get an echo. They got Ken and Richter, but it could’ve easily been even better had they added Metal Sonic or Shadow, Protoman, Jeanne, Ms. Pac-Man, Liquid Snake or The Boss, & Zack Fair.
I’m surprised about the Octolings and especially Dixie.

That is not a good thing, though.

God why does fox look so fucking retarded? Been that way since brawl. Seriously, what the fuck is that duck bill face?

>not liking Amazing Mirror, Return to Dreamland, and Robobot

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all of these so much.

I want another Kirby rep too but that's a bit excessive. The three main characters are in, it's arguably fine as is.

Still, add Dark Matter or Marx as the fourth rep and it'd be literally perfect.

What they've done to Snake Eater is straight up butchery. I couldn't believe when I saw actual positive responses to it. Imo the Castlevania remixes aren't very good either.

this is one of the ugliest sprites I have ever seen.

>Sakurai adding a character he didn't create as a kirby rep
Good one

>Metal Cave never ever
At least we have the 64 FD/Battlefield/menu music back, the best original tracks in the series.

Yeah but at least Pirahna Plant has a unique and interesting design, both aesthetics and moveset wise. Bandana Dee is boring.

>Can still hear biddi-biddi-bleh

Didn't Sakurai leave Kirby around the 2000's?
I'm pretty sure both Marx and Dark Matter are his creations.

Their music choices in general are bafflingly retarded.

Marx is. Sakurai didn't make KDL2,3 or Crystal Shards.

Marx would be the worst choice for a new Kirby rep because he'd be the shining altar to Sakurai's bias towards Super Star. While we're at it, it's pretty fucked how getting Galacta Knight as an echo and not a unique character is a already a huge improvement on how Kirby is repped.

Marx is Super Star, while Dark Matter was made by Shinichi Shimomura.

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Damn it user. I can't unhear it now

>Sakurai didn't work on Dark Matter trilogy
Considering how important they were to the franchise, that's a pretty big surprise.

You learn something new everyday.

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>oops i made a poopy
Kys faggot

>getting Galacta Knight as an echo
Except we didn’t get this, he’s just a Meta Knight alt color. Unless you mean the prospect of getting Galacta Knight as an echo would be an improvement.

And now you know why dark matter has never appeared as a character, boss, or assist trophy in a smash game despite being a classic and iconic smash villain.

What's more is that the guy who directed the Dark Matter Trilogy vanished off the face of the earth

I meant the prospect.

>Get no Kirby reps for a while
>Next Smash game gives Meta Knight two echoes with Galacta Knight and Dark Meta Knight with Morpho Knight as an alt costume for the former
How would you react?

>no Geno

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>can’t change character without being booted from the queue/declining a rematch
>can’t decide to decline a battle after feeling the connection
>can’t get non-BF/FD stages on quickplay without risking 75m and walkoff cancer
>smashville platform won’t move without stage hazards on
>alt colors aren’t preloaded in 2019 AD
>buffering at all
I could go on but they become genuine criticism as opposed to nitpicking.

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It's doubly weird if you consider the fact that Sakurai has directed only half of the Kirby platformers during his time at HAL and his largest contribution to the Dark Matter Trilogy is voicing Dedede in 64.

I’d be wholly surprised that Sakurai even bothered but saddened by the fact that’d probably be the best we’d get.

Don't want to offend your pick but Geno honestly seems like he'd just be a really generic zoner.

>Duster alt
>Claus alt

I got DMK in my custom PM build and am about to add Galacta soon. I could see Galacta being a clone but DMK as the echo.

Gonna be honest. I would’ve been happy with Bandana Dee as the free DLC final reveal vs the plant. Bandana Dee at least has prominence within his series as a playable main cast member, while plant is just a slightly annoying set piece you throw a fireball at and forget about it later.

>Smash Nitpicking
>Rest doesn't always result in a star KO
>Rest doesn't have a reduced recovery in a free-for-all match when it hits
>Sing still only pings 3 times
>Rest doesn't do nearly enough damage for how high risk it is especially compared to how much bullshit the newer characters get
>pound doesn't lift up anymore so her recovery is still kinda gimped for how light and easy to kill she is
She's better, but I still just don't have much fun playing Puff. Especially with how much heavies can get away with online

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Wasn't she also the only character in the whole game who didn't get her completely worthless final smash redone?

Feeling called out?

>game doesn't remember which colours I pick
>game doesn't let me pick "favourite" characters so its easy to find them
>game doesn't let me set a rotation of personal "random" stages for lobbies
>items are way too overbearing
>pokeballs and assist trophies appear way too often and are generally too obnoxious to keep on
>pokeballs and assist trophies took up most of the dev time for items, so regular items feel like they're lacking
>too many "I win" items and not enough simple or innocuous ones that aren't game winning but still change things up
>too many stages still have obnoxious hazards
>too many stages stop being fun when you turn the hazards off because Sakurai has an absolutely autistic definition of "stage hazard" (ie: can't break the floors in Luigi's Mansion anymore with hazards off, or Big Blue is just the blue falcon)

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me when i pick hazardless big blue and pick jigglypuff

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You actually can set which stages can appear in random

>Make a joke ruleset wher the only items that spawn are Items with Ball in the name (except Smoke Ball, fuck that)
>Pokeballs show up 90% of the time

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they really just did Little Mac dirty in smash like I was hyped for to be in but he's literally shit. In punch-out your main goal is to dodge and whale on the enemy until your next opportunity so the high damage and super-armor just make no sense. What the fuck was Sakurai thinking?

Ok you naval pirhana guys are getting a little obsessive. I like it but its the epitome of never ever, even as a final smash. Petey will always be the more popular and iconic variant.

Are you seriously complaining that they missed a couple of details for K. Rool? They practically ripped him straight out of DKC. Easily one of the best represented characters in Smash history.

Don't remind me

>can’t get non-BF/FD stages on quickplay without risking 75m and walkoff cancer
This so much. Hazardless stages should have different probability rates than ones with hazards on. Hazardless Shadow Moses is absolutely miserable. Also gonna agree about HL Smashville, I didn't mind how common it was in 4 but I fucking hate it now for some reason.

Other nitpicks:
>wily hazardless doesn't have the platforms
>stages have a bunch of tracks, but only 1 or 2 are actually set high enough to show up
>can't drift back with a forward air out of shorthop anymore
>can't change colors with x/y, character portraits take a year to show up
>HOLY FUCK GIVE A 2 PLAYER OPTION FOR ARENAS
>dumb arbitrary 8 color limit for characters

I think what they were going for was for him to feel like a Punch-out boss when fighting him. I hate it, too. I always forget that I'm a fan of his series because I hate fighting him so much, he's either really frustrating or a joke. Also never been a fan of his redesign, but I figure going for the original look wouldn't be much better given how wonky he looked as an AT in Brawl.

Tunic of the wild is just plain ugly. It sucks in botw and it sucks in smash.

One thing that bugs me is that any song can play on any stage in spirits. Why not just go a step further and let us play any song on any stage? If you faggots aren't going to give me a Gangplank Galleon stage, at least let me play it on the Pirate Ship.

Yeah I am afraid of that happening if he ever does get in, at this point though I’m convinced it’ll never happen.

>Super Sonic Racing
I fucking hate where they loop the song in smash, they cut out the best part of that song

There is a 2 player arena option and you can use shoulder buttons to change costumes.

>genofags who treat forest maze like its his theme song
Hate these retards.

>Balloon fight stage
>3 balloon fight remixes
>somehow didn't get the original retro balloon fight theme from melee, which would go perfect with the retro stage

youtube.com/watch?v=Rv10snOJ3-w

I blame Rawest Forest for this.

Yes you're right, punching is out of character. In OoT he is just a warlock, and from then on he mostly uses swords. The only punch I can think of is in a cutscene in wind waker.

I know I can use shoulder buttons, I'd just rather use a face button than constantly clicking those clunky bumpers. Also I'm talking about two player co-op, not 1v1s. I want to be able to play team matches with a friend and not deal with double spamus on omegas with no FF every other match. Afaik arenas are still limited to one player per console, unless they patched it?

>Ink on the ground is a really cool and interesting way to establish stage control
>No other way to put ink on the ground other than roller
>Make the character an S tier frame data monster which means we will never see this mechanic explored in balance updates
>Male inkling has one good alt enabling degenerate waifufags

As fun as the character is, the ink gimmick is largely unexplored. They got the covering players in ink correct, but I would have loved to see a dependence on the mechanic. Like his up b needing ink to use and splattershot inking the ground.

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Pac-man's alts save for based oven mitt and red sleeve

>male
fuck of fag

>all of this missing music

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>it doesn't remember the last character/skin you used after matches
How has this not been fixed in a patch yet? Surely this is an oversight, there is absolutely no reason for it.

Ai no Uta and Tane no Uta are the big loses

Cutting Famicom Medley is retarded considering it's not the same as the one in Smash 4 and Ultimate

There is no Kirby 64 spirits despite the fact that there were stickers from it in Brawl. I'm skeptical about it, but they'll probably add an Adeleine spirit later on or as a fighter.

Lucina's English lines (both how they're written and how they're acted) make her sound like a smarmy cunt which completely contradicts her character

>Smash for 3DS/Wii U's cover art features Kirby and Pit. You're focusing too much on your own games!
What kind of retarded complaint is that?

>DK and Bowser still don't use their canon voices seemingly for no other reason than Sakurai personally doesn't like them
>Pokemon Trainer automatically switches on KO and can only cycle through in one direction (I don't want to fucking use Charizard god damn it)

What?

She deserved better

>giant screen in the background of boxing ring shows doc talking like in punch out wii

fuck me, i didnt know i wanted it so bad

L.O.L.
Yeah. His fists are broken. He literally can't use them. He should be a ranged fighter entirely haha. God tier idea. You're incredibly smart. So much more accurate haha.

They should have used the DKC lif loss theme for K.Rool's Victory instead of a Gankplank Galleon flourish.
youtube.com/watch?v=RWg7oE2zbWY

What post are you referring to? It isn’t his theme song but it’s a fan favorite track from SMRPG, not my favorite but Iwcan see why people like it and want t used.

But he has a theme and it just so happens to be the main theme of SMRPG itself. Forest maze fags are retards.

18 years since Zelda made a new character instead of recycling everything

>R.O.B. still doesn't have a stage despite being the series for 3 games in a row.
It it really that hard?

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Zelda makes new characters all the time, the problem is that those characters don't stick around for more than one game.

I want different costumes for snake goddammit!!!

>Should have used his regular design instead of the BOTW shit
but his og design is a midget
tho i like AoL Link

dude, K.Rool always been gay

Lucas has the best alts. tho, you fag

>DLC characters won't get an individual Palutena's Guidance
>No new Codecs
>Codecs still talk as if they are in Brawl
>VA for Palutena and Viridi aren't back (new Viridi VA makes me want to die)
>DKC music only has remixes and remasters instead of original versions
>K rool doesn't say some words in English or make Kremling noises
>Can't switch characters online without leaving opponent
>Fox and Falco convos use the old Brawl versions where Peppy sounds like a smoker and Slippy is from the south
>Very little cutscenes in World of Light (almost ZERO interactions between characters. Like seriously that's the greatest appeal of a game like Smash, yet they don't even try to explore it in this one)
>Robin voice lines don't work well against Chrom
>Chrom is STILL in Robin Final Smash
>Dark Pit has lame staff Final Smash when he should've gotten the lightning chariot
>Pit doesn't use the great sacred treasure
>Falco finally gets an air final smash, but Fox and Wolf get the same thing
>Like 4 characters get full costume alts
>No congrats for completing all the Challenges
>Movies don't have character reveal trailers
>Wolf doesn't have his slight English accent from 64
>Male Pokemon Trainer voice hurts my ears
>Ike voice doesn't do aether justice anymore
I could think of a few more if I pulled the game out for a but to check

its a nitpick, what don't you get?

Ike’s voice hurts. He seemed a lot more bombastic in previous versions but now he’s essentially whispering. Marth sounds manlier.

that's no better than the characters that haven't majorly appear in core Kirby games in ages

Dark Matter is a Legend spirit
that's a big acknowledgment than whatever Bandana Dee fans ever begged for

>No Kremling death cry from DKC
It's funny as shit yet they opted for another retarded King Dedede voice.

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>Marx would be the worst choice for a new Kirby rep because he'd be the shining altar to Sakurai's bias towards Super Star.
so? Marx is good
>While we're at it, it's pretty fucked how getting Galacta Knight as an echo and not a unique character is a already a huge improvement on how Kirby is repped.
Cuck borb isn't and should never be an echo.

Dark matter has been an iconic kirby villan since before smash even existed. A legend spirit is absolutely nothing when marx comes in as a boss.

>png but this one is super strong
fuck right of, it's all the same shit

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>He wants the Twilight Princess design AGAIN

>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE SQUIRTLE
>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE IVYSAUR
>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE CHARIZARD
>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE SQUIRTLE
>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE IVYSAUR
>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE CHARIZARD

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baby steps, m8

At least that design kept Link's iconic green as the default and had way better skins. If not that one, then I feel like the entire Triforce cast should have gotten Smash original designs that took elements of different versions like they did for Zelda

>tfw all DLC characters are most likely gonna be 3rd Party
I just want Bandana Dee, man

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Gangplank Galleon is fine. The death jingle is an OK alternative, but if the character has a main theme then they should always prioritize that for their victory, and Gangplank Galleon is K. Rool's main theme.

youtu.be/KWQ34SGBtVU

Whatever you say

Just move on, for this Smash game at least. Maybe things will turn around next time.
Probably not and I hope Bandana Dee never makes it in but I wish you luck in the future.

>Gang-plank Galleon has the most autistic giberish and faint chorus of what seems to be a lethargic woman singing.
I can't be the only one who hates the living shit out of this otherwise legendary song.

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>Dark matter has been an iconic kirby villan since before smash even existed
so what? an iconic villain is still a Legend
>A legend spirit is absolutely nothing when marx comes in as a boss.
oh my a bigger fan favorite gets in as the boss. its like complaining about Ridley getting in over Dark Samus first.

the referee's already in tho
taunt a lot while you're facing Mario

>bigger fan favorite
Okay Sakurai

>not liking cheesy engrish rap
You have awful taste. Kill yourself.
youtu.be/Q16Kx9-Ys2s

>an iconic villain is still a Legend
which only means he gives extra spirit points in something that already doesn't matter

>"Marx is not big fan favorite within the franchise, its clearly Sakurai bias!"
are you for real or are you still upset about the marx ripoff not getting in first?

>Thread about nitpicks
>Always that one dumbass that comes in and whines about people nitpicking

>dlc will probably include at least one fire emblem character considering there is another fire emblem game coming up
>no gameplay for joker has been shown since he was announced
>k rool, dispite having an actual personality in the dkc games, is stuck with realistic animal noises
>world of light was underwhelming
>can't see who the opponent picks in online quickplay, meaning you just have to pick a character and pray
also
>people want dr mario to be a skin or echo
no nigga

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it matters as much as Ridley and Dedede's first debut in Smash

>dark matter, the most recurring villain in the entire kirby series, spanning 3 games, including 1 huge fan favorite (crystal stars)
>even has later bosses directly inspired by him
>somehow Marx is the bigger fan favorite because Sakurai said so
Retard.

People cried over a fucking feather, there's no way any of these characters have a chance of being in the game.

Explain to me the Dark Matter hype? I've only played Dreamland 1, 2, and Adventure.

most recurring=/=bigger demand/popular
this is why you losers actually thought Sylux was getting in over Dark Samus

Dark Matter makes his first appearance in Smash as a png, what a fucking honor, the rank doesn't mean shit for Sakurai, only how powerful the character is in-universe.
>it matters as much as Ridley and Dedede's first debut in Smash
In a cinematic in Melee and in the background of a Smash 64 stage?

Samus STILL doesn't have model swapped suits

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I get what you are saying, but I mean, Ridley/Dark Samus got a remix of Samus's jingle instead of their own main themes

>"I thought about adding Takamaru, but decided against it because nobody in the west would know who he is."
>Adds Roy and Lucas.

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Yeah it's like I never hear anyone talk about how much they love the kirby series for having horrific eldritch abominations like dark matter/zero as final bosses or anything.
Retard.

THIS

At least Kirby got all its stages back. Unlike most of the rest of them. Fucking hell they might as well have just brought all of them back since they got this far already. Surely old stages don't need to autistically planned in the design doc right? I'd at least take that if we aren't getting new stages since we sure as hell aren't. And I mean stages for existing series like Donkey Kong, Metroid, Pokemon and Star Fox.

I feel you man.

To be fair, by the time lucas got added, everyone in the west knew who he was. Its Ness that owes his popularity to smash bros.

And I think they should have their own themes, too. Why make K. Rool's victory jingle worse instead of making those two have better victory jingles?

Well, thanks either way, it's just that Smash Ultimate is this big game and not getting my most wanted characters now feels kinda disappointing, specially when they went out of their way to add heavily requested characters like Ridley and K. Rool.
And now DLC is most likely gonna be used to solely add surprise 3rd Party characters instead of 1st Party characters like Dixie and BWD, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but for me it does leave me kinda disappointed.

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HE'S IN

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R.O.B. isn't ROB the peripheral, ROB is the Ancient Minister from Subspace.

>Dark Matter makes his first appearance in Smash as a png, what a fucking honor,
yes, its a honor.
it's like being a Vaati fan relieved the fact Smash still acknowledges him while Tecmo is still pissy over who worked on the notable handheld Zeldas.
>In a cinematic in Melee and in the background of a Smash 64 stage?
both were only recycled pngs in the first game, next game they were 3d models, later they become major gameplay elements

>Doc Louis tips
It's not the same thing. You can't have a conversation with yourself.

>LOL REMEMBER RETRO ARCADE GAMES?????
Why the hell didn't they give him more moves based off his actual fucking games? Why steal from other franchises entirely? Why is World or PM2 not referenced anywhere? What were they thinking?

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I love how people have lowered their standards to where a literal still image with a rainbow glow is considered a good thing.

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It would make sense if he was left helpless if hit from the back but honestly he doesn't need any more nerfs. He's already dead.

>Yeah it's like I never hear anyone talk about how much they love the kirby series for having horrific eldritch abominations like dark matter/zero as final bosses or anything.
that explains why Magalor was the second most asked Kirby character despite being a dual ripoff of Marx and Dark Matter, right?
like i said, you can be the most influential thing in the series yet never get in right now nor asked the most.

>Male Pokemon Trainer voice hurts my ears
This so fucking much, what the fuck happened there? Brawl's and 4 were so much better, this one makes me refuse to play Trainer.

Sorry for making you feel bad. I know that feel. I was an AshleyFag for the prerelease hype cycle and I got BTFO'd hard.

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grow up you autist, its just a game.

Fuck off

Doesn't change the fact that he's still the only character in the game that doesn't have a stage to call his own.

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I'm still mad.

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at the time Fire Emblem and Mother were still getting new releases, so it makes sense
that's why Sakurai said he'll add him if he gets a new game prior to next game's planning.

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Actually I would love for every character to have their own personal theme/remix. But for the sake of NITPICKING, I still would have preferred K. Rool to have the DKC death theme, but what we got is fine, not a deal breaker. Just seemed like a missed opportunity.

And while Im not a huge FE fan, it does seem weird that Chrom didn't get the same theme as Lucina/Robin.

>no modes at all
Spirits isn't a fucking party mode. You have to set up saved teams and no one is autistic enough to do it.

This, holy shit.
I may be austistc, but I can not play as doc because of that

This is one of the dumbest things I've read. They can add the most literal, Japan-exclusive who they want into the game, and people all over will start loving them over time. This is coming from someone that's not even particularly concerned with Takamaru, although I do feel for his fans

>>dlc will probably include at least one fire emblem character considering there is another fire emblem game coming up
except Edelgard got cucked by a Fortnite girl
a fate worse than Rex not being saved for DLC

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I agree with you, I'm just telling you how Sakurai sees him.

>*record scratch*
really?

>dude Pacland LMAO
Who the fuck even played that game? I'm still mad Pacman is solely represented by this travesty that doesn't even seem to have fucking ghosts. Bring back the rest of the missing stages you shitty hacks.

>we didn't get a proper retro NES retro rep like we did in previous games
>but these don't count
laffin
the term "retro rep" is just a reference to a long-running classic

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MINGE

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>missing Mii costumes from Smash 4 for no fucking reason
>not character specific but generic ones
>no knight's armor
>>>>>>>>no wizard outfit for gunner
Fucking why

I don't care for Bandana Dee, but if it's any consolation, think about how tight the roster was this game.
>Inklings (biggest recent IP, no shit)
>probably the most requested character ever
>super iconic 3rd party character with loads of history with nintendo
>probably in the top 2 of the ballot characters
>mandatory pokemon
>semiclone but still a ridiculously popular character in her own right
>echoes
Looking back it's kind of incredible that K. Rool managed to squeeze in at all.
There's no shame in missing Ultimate. Rally the troops and try again next game.

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my nitpick is when people nitpick things that already a thing in game

>>Pokemon trainer alts are recolors instead of trainers from other gens
but they are?

Chun Li should have been an Assist Trophy. She's easily one of the most iconic.

>>Doesn't use Ganondorfs Hyrule Warriors model
thank fuck
>>Uses Ken instead of Chun-Li as Ryu's alt
that doesn't make sense at all

Square is just legal spaghetti. They let the person that makes something have the rights to it. Which is why the music clusterfuck is even a thing. They don't own the full rights to shit. It's like Sega with Green Hill Zone's music but with everything.

>the miyamoto advertisement is alt while the better pit is the clone
>also the most differentiating echo
feels good

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>nintendo is helping sugiyama to pay orchestra costs to replace midi shit
>will get more songs than Cloud had for FF7
can't wait for the shitstorm