Can a game with quicksaves ever be considered hard?

Keep begging for ports of 20 year old console games lmao

>begging for ports of 20 year old console games
that's what emulators are for. lmao you're complaining about pc not having games when it has the largest library

>emunigger
Yikes

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>no argument
>look at this image, that's YOU!
kek

Yes
See Factorio

Emuniggers are casual underage losers
You're like people who watch movies on Netflix or listen to music on YouTube

Yes because you could end up fucking up your timing in saving and end up stuck in an unwinnable situation.

I don't mind quicksaves though, but a clever use of save points will always be superior.

>console tards will never suffer from having their only quicksave be in a panic situation that when reloaded into always results in death

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>still no argument
>ad hominem
kek x2

People that flare your autism and make you irrationally angry?

I think so. The Serious Sam games for instance let you quicksave but only a limited amount of times before you impact your score for the level.

t. someone who tried a shitty PS1 emulator from over 15 years ago and though all emulation was like that.

PC library dwarfs consoles even without emulation, baka
People who aren't idorts really are disgusting

That is an argument, you don't get the authentic experience unless you play with actual hardware
I don't have autism, emuniggers do
I've never used an emulator once in my life
90% of the best games ever came out on consoles
The only PC you need is a PC Engine

fuck this shit, games with designated save stations>quicksaves any day

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>I don't have autism, the people who like video games do!
lel

I've had checkpoints like that in Halo lol

If everyone seems to think you have autism it might not be the emulators that do

Any game that requires more planning than mindless mechanical skill.

Brainlets won't understand.

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If you like a game you want the authentic experience
Playing on an emulator with a keyboard and save states doesn't count

>I've never used an emulator once in my life
>casual console shitter doesn't like arcade games
It all makes sense now.
The only hardware that matter in console gaming are the controllers btw.

no if you like companies making you pay too much for your shit you like the authentic experience

>actual seething autism

This board is full of casual losers, look at any "battlestation" thread. They only have workstations or 1 modern console, maybe a couple of loose N64 cartridges
It's disgusting
I play arcade games at the arcade not with a keyboard

What's wrong with 2D stuff on a keyboard

>Saving with a rocket in front of your face or your character poisoned and nothing to heal with
I usually got out of that by using god mode. Fuck if I'm going to spend hours going through the same shit. Wouldn't work in most games nowadays since console commands are rare

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>I play arcade games at the arcade not with a keyboard
I don't believe you

You're the most pathetic poser i've ever seen on this godawful website.

Why would you waste money on budgetboxes when PC already plays everything?

hahaha

What's wrong with 2D games with a Famicom controller? Why do underage USSR niggers hate it so much and insist on using emulators?
You can't hook up a keyboard to the cabinet, even shitty independent game shops that only sell dust covered PS2 sports games have at least a Street Fighter cabinet, and if you go to Japan there's tons of arcades

yes, just use them like a normal human being, you don't have to savescum every 10 seconds

Would you consider, I wanna be the guy as hard?

How is playing a ton of games on an emulator any different to doing it legit?
I have a stack of consoles going back as far as the genesis in my room but I still emulate because it's easy access to every game

Sorry I'm not a casual
I can't plug in Famicom or Mark III carts into a workstation
Save States shouldn't be used at all unless you're a casual loser

because he's a lying 15 year old who most likely has an xbox one s purchased from goodwill
>You can't hook up a keyboard to the cabinet
lol yes you can, poser

if you're not a casual how come you literally don't know anything lol
doubt you can even name an arcade game from the past 5 years

I'd understand if you were talking about newer consoles from PS3 and up but PC emulates NES perfectly, any difference is pure placebo from you.

>as far back as the genesis
Woah... all the way back to the genesis!? Woah...
I don't play modern games I stick with games made pre 2000

>bringing up casual when you likely don't play anything competitive and just jerk off to your retro alone
yeah playing castlevania 1 is so hardcore dude, tourney players fear you

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OP mad
>even shitty independent game shops that only sell dust covered PS2 sports games have at least a Street Fighter cabinet
He's also a dirty spic.

No wonder about his poorfaggotry and autism.

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>you can't connect a famicom controller in an emulator
That's the beauty of them, you can do whatever you want

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for fuck's sake no, no it cannot

>newer consoles
>PS3
Shouldn't you zoomers be in school?
I don't care about modern games they're all trash
theres a few exceptions on GameCube and PS2 but it's 75% trash

Woah... all the way back to 2000!? Woah...

poser
seriously, name one game that exists on any system ever, i doubt you can

>Willingly calling yourself an idiot
Opinion discarded

>B-B-BUT IT'S IDORT, IT'S A MEME
You're still retarded

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>an eighties console isn't old enough
absolute poser stuck in the past lmao
no one is impressed by your autistic desire to be "authentic"

>Shouldn't you zoomers be in school?
Would it be the opposite? Zoomzooms probably think the PS3 is ancient.

>le modern gaming is trash
Gaming has been all shit since the late 80s

There's no spics in Canada, we don't let illegals cross our border
Sorry, I'm not a woman my hands are too big for those
The 80's aren't old kiddo

>poser replies to me twice with the same poser reply
lol

>YOU RETARD!
Try getting a job and maybe you too could play what you want instead of only what you can

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Yes, if the difficulty is in such a form that you can't win just by being patient and continually throwing trial and error at it.

poser can't even name a single videogame lol

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>try getting a job so you too can pretend that you play videogames
lol no thanks i'd rather play them

casual scum

>The 80's aren't old kiddo
You just going to keep saying this in 2040?
You're just a collector with an "old thing good" mental lock my dude

>Wah Wah Wah

Sure thing, buddy

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You're the casual lol, you literally can't name a single videogame, i doubt you've ever played one.

I'm not old you dumb cunt

No one said you're old, you're a 15 year old poser.

yes, you either git gud or get ready for a 200 hour slog of a game. i suspect weebs did the latter.

Born in 83 kiddo

Just not the ones you don't have access to
Those games happen to suck of course

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>literally a 60 year old virgin
lol

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and probably dumb enough to feel proud over it, too

la mulana uses a save point system though.

imagine if in a racing game you had a checkpoint at every turn
it makes the game fucking piss easy

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In your desperate rush to 'own' me you failed to fucking write anything coherent, owning yourself in the process. Good fucking job, casual poser.

GRID is fun as fuck, though.

Not really, outside of fucking yourself over by hitting load instead of save and being stuck with 4 hp.

playing Ninja Gaiden with save states is a lot easier than doing it legit. Just like playing Doom, dying and starting over with just a pistol is way different than quicksaving before every encounter.

You can warp to save points at literally any time, and doing so automatically quick saves.

Oh you don't actually want to argue
Uh, nigger nigger, fag, retard
Ok now post some back

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Most people who act proud of playing "hard" games in the 80s and 90s were using cheat codes and devices to beat games. Anyone with the skill to actually play hard games without cheating isn't going to sit around bitching about something as trivial as quick saves.

Ew

that's not the same thing at all
quicksaves allow you to save in the middle of a boss fight for instance

lol what argument? You can't even prove that you play videogames, you've not named a single one.

So reading the thread this appears to be the argument you're resorting to to justify your autistic hate for emulation? You're aware you can just not use save states right? It's like saying any games with cheat codes are bad.

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That still wouldn't make La-Mulana beatable by casuals.

so have we entered an age now where playing old games on modded consoles is cringe while playing same games on inaccurate emulators and upscaled to perversion is fucking based?
pretty grim to be honest.

Emulation is objectively superior to playing on original hardware and nothing anyone can say will ever persuade me that this isn't true. Original hardware fucking sucks. Tiny controllers for baby hands, terrible input lag, looks shit on an LCD, password 'saves', dead carts and consoles that were designed to break. Fucking pathetic. Also: casual as all hell, fucking lying back vegetating on a couch is not 'gaming', that's just being a sedentary piece of shit.

Your 'modded console' is less accurate than even the worst emulator. I bet you have a snes flashcart but hate on zsnes despite the flashcart being less accurate.

Of course. Maybe not as hard as it could be, but they can still be hard while also being a better game that doesn't force you through long tedious unfun shit. It's worth it unless you have autism and enjoy repitition that much.

PC gamers are really bad at single player games, save scumming is something that originates on pc, despite the desire for harder games, they just save and reload till they get the favorable results.

It's not fucking cringe or based in either instance you retard it's just playing a game
That's what this hobby is supposed to be fucking about, playing games
But all you want to do is "collect" and "authentically replicate"
You aren't playing games on those consoles you're trying to use them as a badge of honor, that's the problem

Yes. Quicksaves wouldn't make spacechem any less impossible for the majority of people

No no no no you don't understand, its about collecting broken hardware that you carefully place in the frame for battlestation threads so maybe three people open the picture and call you a faggot. Gaming is for casuals, collecting japanese games that i can't get past the menu of because i can't understand them, that's true gaming.

>a flashcart is less accurate than zsnes
the only snes emulator that can compete with a real console in terms of accuracy is higan/bsnes

I'm a casual and I beat it.

Don't forget to include your child sex doll and some heroin so you get more than two replies.

>real console
>flashcart
lol the mental gymnastics of these people
>DURR BUY THE ORIGINAL HARDWARE YOU POORFAG
>WHAT, TEN DOLLARS FOR EARTHBOUND!? OUTRAGEOUS, I BETTER SPEND 300 DOLLARS ON A CHINK FLASHCART THAT HAS BUGS IN EVERY GAME

>game has quicksaves
>decide to only use quicksaves because I'm too lazy to save normally
>quicksave right after an enemy has shot at me and before the bullet hits me
>stuck in an infinite cycle of dying

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More games should be like hitman blood money where you get limited amount of quick saves on higher difficulties so you need to use them tactically

Using the wiki doesn't count

earthbound is probably more expensive than the flashcart these days lmao

>emucucks actually believe this

did people turn on EverDrive or something?

Blind.

You could say you did "bite the dust".

What game doesn't use hitscan for bullet based weapons?

Reminder these threads are made by salty collectorcucks who are desperate to sell their collection of broken trash now that they've realized how fucking worthless it is and how they should just set up retroarch.

A fuckload of them, but his post reminded me of stalker, where i've quicksaved in situations like that many times but somehow managed to dodge the bullet after a dozen reloads.

max payne had real time bullet trajectories and bullet model/ player model overlap damage rather than hitscan.

Just how fucking much do you savescum that this becomes a common issue? I never actually had that ever happening.

Probably because you're a poser who doesn't play any games. For fuck's sake, you think every videogame has hitscan guns. I bet you call everything a 'nintendo'.

I'm not OP which is another kind of faggot, but savescumming is fucking stupid and only makes the game worse for you, try actually controlling yourself and you will see that limited saves makes games far more tense and force you to play more intelligently rather than just banging your head against shit until it works, you are robbing yourself of the "proper" experience especially in a slower, methodical game like Stalker.

This is like half a days wage if you earn minimum wage

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Save points aren’t difficulty

>japanese version

Yeah, that's the original version not the cucked western censored shit

Strictly speaking, quicksaving doesn't affect gameplay except for rng rolls. You would still have to kill the same number of enemies anyway. It breaks immersion tho. Games with dedicated safe rooms as checkpoints are max comfy.

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Depends. If its a quicksave that erases itself after use, i see no difference. Like on some crawlers that you can quicksave halfway a dungeon and you need to shut it down for the day and continue the next or later.

>It breaks immersion tho.
Yeah, a save mechanic doesn't, except magically when it can be done in more places than before.

Save rooms don't fit in many kinds of games, I think the Hitman method is best in games that can't have checkpoints like that by giving you freeform quicksaves but only allowing a few of them, or one/none in higher difficulties.

quicksaving is okay if it's disabled during combat or any equivalent of immediate challenge. if you can just buffer your way through encounters with quicksaves you ruin your experience.

Doesn't max payne get harder when you save scum?

Exactly. That's why I said if there was some sort of places in the game like a safe room, a house, a bonfire or whatever that could be used as an explanation makes the game comfier. If you want you play a game from start to finish without saving/loading, be my guest.
That goes without saying.

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Sounds like bullshit

It doesn't prevent the bad parts, like retrying the fight until you get good RNG.
A game that is designed badly will suck no matter the save system. Unless you go full permadeath.

Quicksaves or emulator savestates make a game easier to finish quickly because you reduce repetition to the minimum when you fail, but does not reduce the game's difficulty in any way.
Difficulty isn't how long you take to beat a game, but how skilled you are supposed to be.

If you are relying on RNG to win a fight then you are doing something horribly wrong to begin with like trying to rambo against high level shit, I can't think of any game that does that.

Never heard that before, and I don't think so.

not really

not quicksaves but SoF:Payback's checkpoint-systerm was so retarded that I ended up with a checkpoint next to a shotgun-taliban

>pic-related
the fucking guy just standing behind you while you're petting the cat

It's mostly obscure games with hard modes. Xcom and clones, Wasteland, Jagged Alliance
You won't have the knowledge to reliably win hard modes in those games for the first few times, so it's either lower difficulty or saves.
Then there are extreme cases like Evil Islands and Etherlords, where you literally can't win a saveless run.

Yes, if it's designed with quicksave in mind in the first place it can be just as difficult as anything else, though with less repetition of content you can already clear.