Any good MMO's in the current year or is the genre dead?

Aside from few MMOs that is kept alive yes the genre is very dead

I enjoy it as RPG more than MMO.

World of Warcraft or The Elder Scrolls Online
All others are trash

>Aside from few MMOs that is kept alive
Brain dead and comatose desu.

There is no such thing as a good MMO anymore.
Only time wasters

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Destiny 2 unironically

They can bring back the classic files and servers, but that's only half of the game. It won't work.

classic is going to be garbage too, you seriously believe nublizzard can make a good "old" game? They can't even keep the existing old games running smoothly.

works fine on private servers

I WANT TO BELIEVE

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that's the shittiest most money grabbing piece of shit game you could ever mention user

Private servers aren't MMOs.

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you are morally obligated to acquire your belief in patient investigation and not by stifling your doubts

you are morally obligated to suck my fucking dick dude

but we are going home bros....

come play Tree of Savior with us, it's very fun

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Wow is dogshit now

only after you fulfill your moral obligation of killing yourself but then you wouldn't be able to tell whether I sucked your dick or not

The people who played original WoW are all gone.

Too bad it's the only good mmo. All the others are downgraded clones.

Fuck off Ion.
Face it, your game is shit.

I spent the last 6 years playing MMOs and I must warn other to not go down this path.

You'll end up
- Constantly hoping from one MMO to another
- Constantly spending money on MMOs you'll only play for a month
- Constantly feeling like there are no MMOs to play when there are many MMOs to play because you MMO hop so much you tricked your brain into believe there are no MMOs
- Constantly jumping on "hype trains" and then quitting a week - month later and potentially spending money in the process
- Constantly coming on Yea Forums looking for MMO threads just to talk about your depression and "muh golden age mmo"

WIth this year having a shit ton of good games, ResidentEvil, Devil May Cry, Sekiro, Kingdom hearts, Ace Combat, Left Alive, Mortal Kombat, Dead or Alive 6, God Eater, Code Vein, as well as updates for games like Monster Hunter, Blazblue Crosstag Battle, Tekken 7, DragonBall FighterZ, and many more... I have finally reverted back to single player and normal multiplayer games. And it feels good. No longer wasting money on shitty MMOs, no longer looking for the next MMO, no longer feeling like there are no games.

I will never play a MMO again unless it's a MMOlite (basically a 4 - 8 player co-op game with lite MMO features) like Sword Art Online Fatal Bullet, Monster Honster World, or God Eater. Fuck MMOs.

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T-THEY'LL BE BACK FOR CLASSIC. IT'S NOT LIKE MOST PEOPLE GREW UP AND GOT A JOB AND A FAMILY IN THE PAST 15 YEARS.

Are there any good bots for this game?

It's not true. I live 3rd world tier country and ESO is the most cheap MMO for me.

If you are well off and like to waste hundreds of shekels om digital pixels, you could try BDO.

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>Constantly hopping from one MMO to another
Nothing wrong with experiencing a variety of games.
>Constantly spending money on MMOs you'll only play for a month
Only if you have no fucking restraint, most mmo games these days have trials.
>Constantly feeling like there are no MMOs to play when there are many MMOs to play because you MMO hop so much you tricked your brain into believe there are no MMOs
Maybe your brain.
>Constantly jumping on "hype trains" and then quitting a week - month later and potentially spending money in the process
Only if you're a zoomer that believes in "hype".
>Constantly coming on Yea Forums looking for MMO threads just to talk about your depression and "muh golden age mmo"
Read previous point.

>not just playing BDO on a private server
Fuck those korean kikes. On private it's a decent game though.

FFXI retail

Are the Private servers stable? And do they have decent population? If so i just might hop over

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youtube.com/watch?v=4n6WP9qHyRM&ab_channel=OmegaX91

Don't think this has been posted yet but it gives me chills EVERY SINGLE time

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When Blizzard made WoW they decided that the best way to make an mmorpg was to minimise all the mmo and rpg mechanics. When WoW succeeded because blizzdrones will buy anything their masters shit out every other marketing monkey also decided that this was the best way to make an mmorpg. Fast forward 15 years and you have a whole genre that's name is an outright lie. Post-WoW mmorpgs simply aren't mmorpgs.

fuck wrong thread

I love that outfit.

I'm honestly amazed this game is still even running, feminists should of shut it down by now.

The genre is alive, but its shit.

MMOs are a simple game to design, open worlds where players adventure for loot and shit together, completing quests and slaying dragons.

But now they're a collection of grinding metagames for temporary items and cosmetic shit that makes you look like less of a hobo when compared to the cosmetic cash shop shit and everyone is fucking running around with the game world's god weapon because the latest patch replaced it with the eldergod weapon and made the god weapon welfare loot.

Every fucking MMO I log into where im the chosen one and immediately floods me with a bunch of close ended minigame systems turns me off immediately, this is why I can't wait for classic, i'd rather spend 2 hours in elwynn farming herbs, opening chests, completing quests.

I am tired of MMOs that launch and have 100+ hours of jerking off following X's, killing 5 rats, and moving onto the next X and killing another 5 rats with no thought input by the player, there is a reason why people abandoned shit like D3 for POE, fuck im pretty sure everyone who loved MMOs in the past are playing POE these days since you actually have to have some thought about your build and items.

>PoE
>thoughts about your builds
LMAO

Yeah there are a few with a decent population. Most give out free Pearls for time logged so you can get anything you want and more importantly need from the shop

These games cost too much money too make, mobiles make more and cost nothing.

mmorpgs are ded so keep playing the ones that exist, cause once they are gone you won't get anymore.

Rust ;P

This.

Everyone jerks off over a skill tree that 90% consists of passive stat boosts.

Final Fantasy XIV Is pretty neat

They cost too much to make because retards keep wanting to add 200+ hours of single player content.

And builds literally spam one skill. Even d3 has more depth and uses more skills, and that's sad

>because retards keep wanting to add 200+ hours of single player content.
so final fantasy xiv? but that one is successful with it's 1000+ hours of single player content

>Face it, your game is shit.
Yes but every other MMO in existence is worse

Yeah man, the one I play on is more swamped than any of the official channels. Sure it only has a few ''channels'' but it's more than enough.

black desert online private server. There are only two at the moment though.

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Wrong thread negro amigo

FFXIV.

Wrong, this game is barely an MMO and proof that the genre is dead unless you try as hard to be a WoW clone as you possibly can.

>stay away from DMC threads because of spoilers
>this asshole shows up
Fuck you

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I'd go back to WoW even knowing its shit, but only if I could find a working bot to farm gold and buy the subscription with it
They should just make that pile of trash F2P

>game is barely an MMO
What, because it has more gameplay than WoW?

POE is pretty good.
becoming overpowered in endgame is probably easy. You get a shit loads amount of loot. Though most builds focus on one skill, some builds works with 2 or 3 skills, this excludes the usual buff/debuff skills. Pretty fucking great with a fucking mess of customization. Builds work with different classes.

I want more fucking skills that benefit from volley/greater multiple projectiles type effects though.

its shit

Could you tell me what server you play on?

shill

gamezBDO

Thanks senpai

I'd kill someone for a good mmo

AHHHHHHHHHH
BUT WHAT GAMES DO I PLAY INSTEAD?

Dead

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it's still better than the competition

eso is unironcally good but not as a mmorpg

This guy is right, mmos can't produce pve content fast enough to keep people interested only mobile games can keep up with the the demand honestly.

Yea basically but it's not retards it's literally the majority of the user base.

FFXIV doesn't even do it though, yoshi P has said time and time again, FFXIV has down periods where you're just meant to play dress up with your character.

is there anything like destiny but melee?

i like looter shooters, except for the shooter part

what is it good as user?

This is the real redpill, I've hopped from mmos for a long time, I'm beginning to come to terms that the golden age is behind us. I'm going to go back to playing solo rpgs and just enjoying the story I guess.

Maybe I'll play Monster hunter or God easter if I want a good action combat mmo.
Can you suggest more mmolite games?

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You're meant to unsub until more content is released.

....

That's what intelligent people do yes. But obviously the game designers don't want you to do that and most players don't instead they rage and put unreasonable demands on developers.

Try Warframe, you can replace the shoot for abilities, parkour, and melee combat,

>Wanting to play an old version of a game that will never get new content
What will you do when you reach the end?

all mmos are shit

How is Tera still alive?

Just started,seems like a fun game.

horny guys

What class is have the best lewd? good? I'll start this one soon.

dead

>grind, grind, grind and grind
no thanks

>nuWoW shit
>WoW Classic doa
>Korean / Mobile mmorpgs are grind fest / auto-play cash grabs
>FF14 is bad
>ESO is bad

What the Fuck is a 'Good' MMORPG?

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Still patrolling this thread for the mention of a specific MMO in case somebody claims that it's good.

So you can say it's shit and they should stop deluding themselves into thinking they have fun? Such dedication.

recommend me mmolites

how is blade and soul? i saw that they're giving a free level boost and wanted to try it again after 2 years of not playing it.

It's their a game where you can just do raids with parties and don't need to do anything else? Wouldn't even have to be an mmo.

How the hell can ESO players stomach how unbearably dogshit the melee combat is? I mean christ, I get that it's elder scrolls, but it's almost on an entirely new level of floaty and horrid.

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shit and dead

t. retard that never played it

skyrim is way better and skyrim isn't even that good of a game. your taste is just really undeveloped

Tera.

Monster hunter/God eater probably you group with people and go on hunts and big monsters are basically raid bosses.
Phantasy star online maybe? if you wanted more trash to kill
Elsword, Closers or Soul Worker but they're all dying and are more grindy because korea.

Play something else

I've been enjoying the f2p action anime mmos.
Soul chaser or whatever has been kind fun. Its probably because I've played so many wow and wow rip offs that I already know the process and it's just the same story every time. The anime games are kinda fresh to me and that's nice. Plus I like how focused they are on the social aspect as opposed to just ramming your head into the same raid over and over again.

Plus they're just stylish as fuck. BDO was pretty, but I wasn't a loli killing shit with a guitar

FUCK YOU I WANT MY MONEY BACK. It's so bad holy shit.

What game is this?

Depends what you consider 'good'.

FFXI retail is still alive and well even predating WoW, with 20 years of story to go through, if you want something that doesn't hold your hand.

And also OSRS/RS3 if you were that kid.

kek

Emulator servers for dead MMO's are a nostalgic experience. Warhammer online has a pretty good one (Return to Reckoning). A lot of the old asian MMO's are still highly popular.

Remember me?

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damn that pic is fucking cringe holy hell im glad korean gook mmos serve as a containment zone for autists

Not him looks like tera though.

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mmos are a containment zone for autistics period.

Just play Guild Wars 2

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>We live in a time where runescape is the second biggest mmo
That's pretty wild

fuck off hes right. the combat may be decent but the game is such a blatant cash grab and you defending it must mean that either you are one of these gullible people who got tricket into spending money on this steaming pile of shit or you are just baiting for (you)s. i sincerely hope its the last option otherwise seek help for your gambling addiction.

when did I say that i'm defending it, it's just that I want people that actually played the game and are still playing it to give opinions on it not shitposters

>play it when the beta comes out
>combat is boring unless playing with friends
>friends don't want to explore and talk to NPCs and read about the in-game lore so I stay behind while they level up
>stop playing because combat is boring by yourself

You can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better but it's not true anymore.

Reddit and Jagex are both in a race to kill Runescape. With the recent Twisted Bow fiasco, Jagex is in the lead.

shit and dead is the correct answer though. the game is set up to make you spend as much money as possible every trove event to keep up with the powercurve and the people that remain playing blade and soul are either fulltime neets who can barely keep up or whales who spent over 1k every event. the game was fun until the first trove event after that the community went to shit.

>Elder Scrolls "Look at me, every single character is a Mary Sue that's every single class in one, and I can actively switch classes in a split second by changing equipment, removing the uniqueness of every single character and make them all boring as fuck" Online

Heh...No thanks.

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>be high class wizard who fights the destroyer of the world repeadedtly in order to get his feather so I can make a staff
>still not strong enough to wear metal boots

WoW is dead
ESO is a rotted corpse
XIV is on an operating table and will get a jolt to the chest in four months which could go either way

Everything else is buried

GW2

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this animation pleases me

This. MMOs that let a character switch classes are fucking cancer that's completely contradictory to the social and party aspect of the genre.

>We should form a group with a healer
>No need bro, I can just wear my staff, lol

>the genre
Fuck off. MMO doesnt mean WoW

same thing as classic WoW desu

>GW2
>good

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Literally no MMOs did the 'character is every class' shit until more recently. Is your entire exposure to MMOs WoW? Lmao what a fucking loser

Pick out any other MMO from that era and it's applicable. There are more games than wow, junior

>what is Runescape

It doesnt need to be every class but
>its MMO so we NEED the holy trinity or its shit!
Is a retarded meme that needs to fuck off.
And runescape has been around since early 2000s and has had all classes

A shitty bastardization that turned far too many children autistic when better games existed at the time.

No one said anything about the trinity. People are complaining about being every class on one character. Did you get hit in the head?

>mmo doesnt let your character switch classes
>we should form a group with a healer
>No need bro, I'll switch to my alt, lol
Wow so different

>literally no game did this until recently
>t-that one doesnt count

>What is UO

Bad games aren't a good excuse

The quality of the game has nothing to do with this subject.

The only reason all classes in one is "bad for the party aspect" is you're not begging for a healer or a tank. You still need to party with other people even if you switch roles.

You're just a butthurt healer main arent you? Upset people dont need you anymore?

>Being forced to play a social game with other people of various capabilities and classes to complete your mutual goals
>The same thing as equipping a different weapon and solo or duo the entire game

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Runescape teaches children about time management, cyber security, and business while also presenting them with complex moral decisions. That's more than nearly any game can say it has.

Uhhh how recent are we talking here? I played a Cleric in RIFT a game released in 2011, and I could play main healer, main tank or DPS.

Neither does your "holy trinity" argument, sweetie

There's no point in playing any MMO unless you know people to play with before you start.

>being forced to beg for a healer is a good thing
>changing weapons is different than just changing characters in 5 seconds
You're actually retarded arent you?

>just laid off 1/3 of their devs
>already revealed that they wont release a new expansion in the near future
>they have to rely on 3hours of new gameplay every 4months to keep people interested

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based

WoW:
>Its worst expansion ever and I say that as someone who dropped a few months into every expansion.
>BDO
Excellent if you love the craftiing systems in MMOs. Combat system looks amazing on the outside shit system once you learn it. Oh and it has a communist auction house which is a no go for gold jews like me.
>Final Fantasy
Literally the best traditional MMO on the market right now by merit of simply not being as shit as everyone else
>Albion Online
Another good MMO for people who like the craft and economy side of things
>SWTOR
Not really an MMO, more like a shared world single player game. Its no KOTOR but it has its moments. I reccomend the sith warrior story it gets crazy.
>ESO
If you like PVP this is where you want to be. Once Cyrodil starts popping shit gets absolutely insane. Outside of that it feels like a single player game more than an MMO.
>Guild Wars 2
There isn't much depth to it but it is quite literally the only MMO on the market that gives you that MMO feel; and when I say MMO feel I mean TONS of players. None of this shit where you only interact with groups of 5 people. There is content where you literally fill a map with players.

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Not them and they weren't me, but it clearly does considering why else would it matter what class you are?
The only reason the type of class you are matters is because of some forced need to have a tank and a healer. If everyone was just a generic damage dealer it wouldn't matter to you if they had a sword or used magic.

Top fucking kek, no, your shitty game hasn't made you a fulfilled adult with many life skills. What's next, you learned show to drive by playing ridge racer? Lmao. Check and mate. Let me do my victory dance now.

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I'm not the user, you were replying to. Mentioning Runescape was my first post in this thread.

dumb tranny

mmos are too grindy nowadays, you have to pay up a lot if you want a fun gradual power increase
FUCK KOREANS, they ruined this genre

Have you ever played Ultima Online? Of course you haven't you retarded zoomer.

Runescape actually taught me more about scams than anything else in the world.

The only difference is that you didnt have to level up another character. Not being able to switch class on the fly doesn't magically force people to socialize when you consider just about everyone in every mmo has multiple characters

Yep. same state and I did the same thing and have tried far far too many mmos. xiv's fun and all and the best I see on the market as is but with all mmos it's bound to end and fade away and it has glaring issues that ruin the experience like the rest of them. It's a waste of money and time aside from talking to people and meeting people and you can do that in games that have online features. the real redpill is moving away from mmos.

Dead as fuck.
It's all about gacha now.

>get max level in a 2 days because I've played mmos and know how to level
>wow this game is shit and too easy!

>get max level in 2 weeks instead
>Wow too grindy!

>already revealed
why lie clown head?

GW2's races aren't cute enough for me

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>giving nublizzard money

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There are no MMOs worthy to 2019 technology nor is there any in development. If you cannot enjoy GW2, WoW, or FF MMOs are six feet under.

>level sync eliminates sense of progression
>only ten abilities at once
>combat feels weightless, more than normal TES games
>painted on armor, uses fucking TOR's engine
>microtransactions out the dick
>tons of lore inconsistencies and shit that just makes absolutely no sense
>a tes game
>you can't
>fucking
>MOD

Fuck that shit nigger.

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Been playing MMOs since 2005. This is indeed the case. BFA showed me the light and now I'm never touching them again other than to warn people in these threads to stop. I wasted a decade on these fucking games when I could have been playing quality titles instead.

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a clown never lies
mmorpg.com/guild-wars-2/columns/guild-wars-2-more-than-just-a-damage-number-1000013464
>Back in 2018, Mike Z sat down with us at Gamescom and revealed that Guild Wars 2 would not get a third expansion, at least not any time soon. Instead, the Seattle studio would plow on with the Living Story, an episodic injection of content that periodically expands the frontiers of Tyria while edging the narrative of the game further forward.

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Hows star trek online these days?

I play ESO because I like exploring Tamriel and ES lore, actual game mechanics are pretty average though
also zone chat is an interesting experience in and of itself

Ah yes Guild warrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

AH HERRO CRAPTAIN YOU WAN UPGRADE SHIP TIERU HERE CRASH SHOP ANN ROO CRAN GAMBRER FOR IT

YOU NO WAN ROOTBOX PROGRESSION SYSTEM? FAKKU U PIGDOG

>Wow gets new patch every 77 days and new raid every 4-5 months
Yup they certainly arnt generating content fast enough

The genre isn't dead, its just not good.

Everywhere you look is knockoff cashgrab versions of successful games that came out 15-20 years ago that have worse tech and even worse game design.

Fantasy MMOs plastered in advertisements and sloppy UI popups

'Sandbox' MMOs that always revolve around shitty systems that make them less sandbox and more linear.

In essence, all MMOs need to be is a consistant online world, instead they seem to be a grinding platform cluttered with a bunch of disjointed minigames.

Like how many fucking OSRS updates are just going to be slayer and minigame updates, leaving dead skills to rot, or become more and more useless and slayer drops replace their usefulness.

How many WOW clones that have so much instancing/sharding/phasing shit that makes post MOP look good.

Also the entire industry is plagued by a shitty practice by most MMO devs that kills their games before they even have a chance to develop a community and thats the $100+ paid betas, betas should be something people have access to even if in limited supply, this gives your game exposure and you'll get legitimate feedback from people who like the game but think it needs improvements or fixes here and there, and not a bunch of whales who are happy for the privlage of playing a beta they bought into for bragging rites.

FFXI came out in 2002 newfag

Brutal. Hows the story?

it's like a shittier RO.
everyone I know that was excited about this when it came out only played it for a week before just going back to RO.
Like all other MMOs, the only good ones worth playing at the same 5-6 original old MMOs we've had since 2003.
WoW
FFXI
EverQuest
Eve Online
Ragnarok Online
Runescape

everything else is shit.

>Constantly hoping from one MMO to another
>Constantly spending money on MMOs you'll only play for a month
Casualfag detected

>>level sync eliminates sense of progression
skyrim and oblivion had the same exact problem. frankly I like ESO after the level sync a lot more than before.
>>only ten abilities at once
I think you can go all the way up to 15 or 20 at higher levels
>>combat feels weightless, more than normal TES games
I agree, but it's still more in-depth than vanilla Skyrim's. you have to block, bash, and roll at appropriate times, you can't just mash left click to win.
>>painted on armor, uses fucking TOR's engine
most of the armor sets do look like shit, I'll give you that
>>microtransactions out the dick
a shame, par for any game these days, especially an MMO
>>tons of lore inconsistencies and shit that just makes absolutely no sense
name 10 without using google
>>a tes game
>>you can't
>>fucking
>>MOD
>he doesn't know

I don't think it's that bad.
I like how mmos essentially use a superior version of dynasty wars combat but with better combat and graphics.

MMOs have a specific type of gameplay that other games still fail to capture, and it's a shame.

Plusit's nice to be social sometimes

I'd argue true MMOs are a dead.

How many MMOs now lack the tech to have true open worlds without some kind of instancing tech.

>Like how many fucking OSRS updates are just going to be slayer and minigame updates
Because those are the only parts of the game played by real players.

MMO =/= Open world.

the reason why ESO just doesn't work for me is that it has that typical bethesda floaty combat, and it has that modern mmo feeling.
There is no sense of a community everything is solo oriented it doesn't feel good to cast a fireball, it doesn't feel good to craft your own things.

You can give blizzard shit all you want, and they deserve it, but they always had that sense to put weight and impact to the gameplay. The content itself might be crap but even since vanilla it felt good and impactful to swing a hammer and cast a fireball. If you make your first items and equip them in vanilla you feel good about it. If I do the same in any other mmo really it doesn't feel good that I accomplished something, the dopamine doesn't kick in and I just shift my shoulders and play further.

yeah and its starting to drive people back to RS07 private servers

MMORPG's are dead. What we have now is MMOG's, they aren't dead.
Look at all the modern MMO's. They have the MMO, but there's no RPG to be seen. The only exception is OSRS and it's a re-release of an older game.

Open World elements are what makes an MMO seperate from an ARPG or a typical server based game.

If you're not running around in the same city as everyone else, the same forest as everyone else, then whats the fucking point of playing an MMO over a co-op game.

FAKKU U BUY ROOTBOX

they killed pvp so it's going to die now

I don't think I've seriously talked with people in an MMO since 2012. People are an inconvenience now in modern MMO systems.

two words: pedo waifufags

>Warhammer online has a pretty good one (Return to Reckoning)
Warhammer online is an unfinished and outdated game so it's shit by default.

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>just laid off 1/3 of their devs
Devs that were working in different projects

It's not the destination that matters user.
It's the journey.

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The Iphone (by extension social media)is what actually killed the MMO genre. (and pretty much all desire to socialize at all)

I say that because unmitigated access to social activity has made us realize what insufferable cunts people are.

So the limelight of playing with people desiring social activity and seeking it is over.

The sense of community is what made games like FFXI, WoW, EQ, And SW Galaxies so wonderful. The people playing them at the time were people devoid of social interaction in their real lives, because of social exclusion by rejection. Now we willing reject social interaction as much as humanly possible to avoid dealing with people, and the design of modern MMO's reflects that.

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I kinda want to try out GW2 sometimes but this game looks so incredibly awful that I can never bring myself to do it.

I think i ll pass.
No mirrion dorrar for yu

Thats a cool hot take but open worlds have never been an intrinsic part of MMOs

I think that's moreso a forced inclusion of normalfags. People who aren't passionate about my hobbies usually tend to be vapid cunts.

dueling outside of shattrath and ganking opposite faction retard

BRRRADDD GOOOOYYYYY
stay far the fuck away, i wish that game was good but it's full on chinese cashcow now

Like they said GW2 would never get any expansions right? Not to mention this was when they had 400 people working on unannounced projects.A new expansions will most likely come in 1-2 years though so there's not much new content to come.

Its hit or miss.
In Tera the most fun i had was chilling outside lumbertown and talking shit with people.
In BDO i was in one of the major siege guilds so we had tons of talk.
Just started one yesterday and some dude just randomly came up to.me and partied upon faught me about the games systems and shit, had a good time for a few hours.

And yet people still complain the game has nothing for them to do, really makes you think. also wow is in a terrible state right now depending on who you ask so maybe their problem isn't how fast they make content it's that all the content they make is shit.

Art design is great though and the combat is satisfying once you get into it.What exactly makes it look awful?

GET WOKE

GO BROKE

>tfw missed the golden age on archeage
So many people claimed it was what they wished for in a sandbox-lite MMORPG but was eventually fucked

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It still hurts, bros...

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Shared worlds have always been part of the MMO experience, even when they were fucking MUDs that was the point, that you were playing in a world with other people.

Open world is part of that, when you start to instance it all it loses the MMO aspect and simply becomes an online RPG.

The whole reason why MMOs suck today is simply because you spend most of your time in your private phase/instance and grind instances in most of these MMOs up until a point that the game goes "Okay, this is our take on what group content should be" and you spend 100+ hours already farming solo to get to this point and have had zero interaction the entire time.

Even in the most bullshit MMOs that everyone still plays you'll see oldfags running around in newbie zones.

trion was retarded and now they are dead, amen

Want to know why you miss the golden years? Want to know why MMOs just arent living up to the expectations?

It's because you all wanted a game world, where you could practically live within.
You didnt want a game, with online features, you wanted a reality replacement.

Older "Golden Years" MMOs, did a better job making you think the game was a replacement to reality, but it was just masking the fact it was an online game.
You said, the genre was just limited by technology, and after enough years, it would get rid of the limitations.

Graphics got better, but the gameplay became more refined to the bare minimums, because even the DEVs realized they werent making an alternative reality, nor was it feasible.

MMOs are practically a genre now, and the only real things that come close to defining them, are a set of lose features that can be in just about any game.
If u start up an MMO wanting something other than an auction house, endgame raid system, Trinity of some sort, and character/class choices, then it will hardly be recognized as an MMO. (Even if it really is an MMO)

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Lineage 2 Classic Innova
but it's too hard for zoomers

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this desu

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That too but normies don't really stick to MMO anyway. I played XI for a fucking decade and my brother had zero interest.

He did however pick up XIV 2.0 and has bought every expansion only to cap level finish msq and dip by the 2nd patch cycle of each expansion. He's talking about doing it again with Shadowbringers.

(anecdote I know, but he's normie af)

>wasting money on mmos when 90% of them are f2p
that's your own mental retardation

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More so that no MMO makes me want to log in anymore.

They all tell me I need to log in to farm points and daily shit, but none of them have anything worth logging in for anymore.

Building my first capital in EVE, was fucking fantastic, pushing for server boss kills on EQ and WOW was great, min-maxing my gear and building different pures and PVP builds was great.

Every MMO now is milktoast, the gameplay is too streamlined to be fun, they're not challenging in any way shape or form unless you play on an arbitrary hard mode, and these hard modes mostly consist of grinding until you can't fucking stand it anymore and quitting.

From Mythic dungeons on WOW to the cancerous new moon mining in EVE, they all demand you play the game like a religious job, and if you skip a day you're fucked.

>be me
>Play MMO with amazing graphics
>Spend hours making the cutest characters
>w-well surely it not that bad if I just buy 1 costume for her...

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whats your point? sure an expansion 3 will eventuell release but in the meantime the game will be on life support with just their occasional story updates.

Actually based

The combat in BDO is amazing though. I'm playing a wizard and I feel like a fucking force of nature.

The combat feels fluid, but its not really engaging.

NPCs just waddle around and just let you nuke them to death.

Its just carried by the animation and graphics.
The actual combat is extremely superficial and comes down to teleporting into a bunch of people, spamming a bunch of shit and hoping you can teleport out in time.
If you have gear you killed their entire guild, if you don't you died.

you'd be just as happy min/maxing stats in an offline game, if it offered the same thing.

thats just a feature added to some of the older games.

just as streamlining the gameplay, for tighter reaction requirements, rather than out of combat stat building, is also a gameplay mechanic design.

it's what drew you to those games, but if those games still focused on those features solely, u woudlnt find the games fun, w/o all the other features to make it feel like an alternative world.

And theres no point living there, if it doesnt have the features you like. (In this case, stat building)

>her
spotted the tranny

>If you have gear you killed their entire guild, if you don't you died.
What do you propose then? That the people who have put 1000 hours in the game should be equally strong as people how just jumped in?

>user doesnt self insert as character by calling it a her.
>must be a tranny who self identifies with character like "you must play male only" fags.

Never touched the game, but wouldnt a game built on strategy be more entertaining? Or skill regarding reaction times?
Playing a game of "who drew the highest number card" doesnt really sound fun imo.

Though i do understand the fun in overleveling and getting too powerful, it doesnt work well in multiplayer though.

That there should be some level of skill or something interesting going on.
BDO is literally just
>haha i lucked into pen enhancements XD
>teleports in and hits shift F
>1 shots everyone
There's next to no skill in it, when I 1 shot people in Tera it was because I had to do a convoluted buff chain centered around getting a lucky sleep and lucking into a crit, and that was with top gear.
When I did it in PDO it was because I have full tet gear, and the moment i took it off I couldn't do anything because its solely a numbers game.

I don't get the "BDO combat is good" meme.
Mobs are so unresponsive while you combo them that it just gets fucking boring really quickly. Also while animations are passable, the sound design is utter trash.

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that's not a bad way to play XIV, in fact playing it like this is much better than doing it with WoW
You can re-sub to XIV, catch up to the story and content, have fun doing the spectacular story primal fights, and drop it until you get another big chunk of story to play through and never feel like you were cheated out of your money

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I've moved onto shit like POE yes.

Problem is POE doesn't have the same group play as EQ or EVE did, it wasn't just about min-maxing myself, but helping friends min-max their characters was great too.

POE is great for me because im autistic enough to craft high end shit and sell mirrors of them, or just give them to my friends for their builds when they play, but its not the same as farming lower guk for hours getting my friend his jboots, or running UBRS as a guild to get our rogue his evis book which costed almost as much as a mount on our server.

I'm not sure what is worse, I experienced the golden age and now every game is disappointing. Fuck, even though I didn't fall for it, I had high hopes for shit games like sea of thieves and atlas, looking for a game that fills that void.

>pve enemies in a pvp focused game are braindead garbage
woah...

I miss Tera's combat. It was perfect. Such a shame that everything built around it was utter trash.
Indeed. It very much feels like the game was designed by Yoshi-p to be played that way.

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2 sides, equal gear, having spent equal time on the game.
next is RNG coin flip who wins.

why not add a level of skill as well, not just gear and RNG?

>ask for years sex with alisae expansion
>get alisae is kill expansion

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You seem to enjoy yourself, and you seem like a massive pile of shit human being.

>100hrs of grind and AFK fishing to play 1hr of actual PvP
Woah... That is peak PvP game design...

>"Hey YoshiP, I love FFXIV, but it's hard to keep playing your game (because of the lack of content) and now I'm taking a break here. Sorry for asking this but is there a way or a reason to keep playing? or anything that can you teach me how to keep my motivation for playing your game?" - A player asking Yoshida during Gamescom

>Yoshida "It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

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This is a shit meme
>Its PVP based!
>You just need PVE to level up
>and to craft gear
>and to farm bosses for better stuff
>and...

Yes you can have good PVP in an MMO, but unless your shit is planetside where you get your character advancement by farming other players this is a stupid fucking point.

You shouldn't make a game where you need to grind for 100+ hours before the supposed 'real game' starts, weither that is PVP or even 'end game' PVE

>pvp based game
>if you pvp outside the designated time and zone you get punished by having gear that takes months to make degraded
>the only way to actually make money is to grind mobs for months or to afk fish
wow

Recommend me a good f2p mmorpg that isn't runescape.

I see what you mean and you have a valid point, I still think it's fun though despite that.

>get the mmorpg craving once or twice a year
>play tera for a couple of weeks
>craving satisfied
It's a great combat system trapped in a terrible game run by retarded developers.

FFXI, GW, and Anarchy Online were my favorites, they are all still playable but old. FFXI has been modernized somewhat but you are still stuck with the archaic technical aspects. these days i just sub/unsub to FFXI and XIV when i have nothing else to play. honestly, encounter design is really fucking fun in XIV and they squeeze tons of juice out of "dodge red circle" and other simple stuff. if you played 2.0, and come check out the new expac, you'll see they've really improved, whilst keeping it fairly similar.

Tera combat was so good yet i never made it past Lumbertown because the game was so bad. same deal with Blade'n'Soul. its so rare that the core gameplay is the only good thing about an MMORPG... and so typical that everything else is so bad you cant stand to play it.

Thats basically where I am, sort of.
Im obssessed with tanking, and different ways to tank.
Most MMOs have 1 or 2 tanks max, and its always the same tank.
Platemail and shield.
High HP and high Defense.

I miss the alternative tank styles, with alternative mechanics.

But when i go to offline RPGs, i find tanking boring, and rather be a DPS.
So I go back to MMOs to enjoy tanking.
Run out of tanking options, and get bored, wishing for the next golden MMO.

I want a certain feature, but I want the feeling of an alternate reality to use that feature. Its just not the same.
If a game does have multiple tanks/styles, its fun for a bit, then im bored of it, until the next expansion.
It falls into a pattern of the same shit, or it changes things so much, it ruins things i liked before.

rather than just being a world that keeps growing with the things i like. its an impossible dream.

Its the same for everyone. Even if an MMO has the features u want, or an offline version has them, you're going to forever want an expanded world, and will grow tired of your MMO, missing "the old days". (Even if the MMO doesnt remove the feature u like)

we all pick the MMO with "enough" features, and call it day now.

What kept me going it was just the witch animations, it really did feel forceful and powerful when she cast her spells. Most mmos it feels like you're just throwing flashing lights at people, BDO actually had weight to it and I appreciated that.

But eventually I blew like 20 pen enhancements in a row and I just said the RNG in this shit game was too much for me and left.
I've never been a fan of RNG, and masterworking in Tera was cancer for me too. But combine RNG with destruction/degrading of material and its just a giant fuck you to my luck.

Blade & Soul is another game that fits the criteria of "great combat trapped in terrible game".

You forgot typing. I am the best typer I know because of rs.

NWN Persistent Worlds
hundreds of players, they're micro-MMOs

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tera

Any good NWN RP servers up?

the only part of teras combat i liked, was old evasion warrior tanking.
but the games servers were garbage, making it unreliable.

by the time they fixed them to be better, the warrior changed to be a parry tank.

nothing else has been interesting enough, even if decent. plus the surrounding game was hot trash, and the way they handled endgame to be about crits, and what not, also ruined the fun. (for me, im not one to find risky behavior fun, such as risking taking a hit, to land more damage. I find it more fun, to find ways to avodi taking damage, and being even more defensive, which is why i always play tanks)

due to how action MMOs are handled, ive decided to stick to tab target MMOs. (I only play MMOs for tanking anyways. I find DPSing more fun in offline action games, where the internet doesnt randomly fuck you over)

bns

The combat seems cool on paper and while you're leveling it feels good but once you get to the real game you just pull everything and spam AOEs also the PVP simply can't handle all the parries and shit so it feels bad.

ff11 nin was the best tank, the only thing that comes close is dunban in xenoblade and morag in xenoblade 2

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Arelith is the biggest and Ravenloft: POTM is gothic horror themed, lots of werewolves, vampires, etc.

I'm currently playing on EFU. It's previous chapter was like arx fatalis, sun was eaten by a giant space worm and everyone lives underground. Current chapter is some kind of crazy nightmare labyinth. It's really, really fun.

All three are RP servers, I forgot to add.

as a faggot who dropped out of college, quit his job, and is a huge leech on his parents all I do is play MMOs
here are the ones worth playing

For story
>FFXIV
>ESO
>TOR(unironically)
>Runescape
>Secret World

For PvE
>TERA
>FFXIV
>DFO
>PoE

For PvP
>ESO
>GW2
>BnS
>DFO

For ERP
>FFXIV

Games you should not play for any reason
>BDO
>WoW
>ToS
>Any looter shooter
>Any kikestarter MMO
>Bless Online
>Any "survival" MMO

Games to look forward to
>Moonlight Blade (cute dressup, cute emotes, pretty world)
>AIR (new MMO from TERA devs, reworking combat)
>DFO3D
>Peria Chronicles (never ever)
>Dune MMO from Funcom

Obviously there are a lot more games but these would be the ones anyone would give you to play or not play.
Recently I've been enjoying MS2 a lot but mostly because of nostalgia if you never played the first avoid the second until at least summer.

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I mainly just play pso2 but it somehow doesn't get counted as an MMO because it's not open world

>pve
>no bns
why? in my opinion it has some good dungeons.

thanks for the pointers user, but get out there and find a job now

Because it's very obvious the game is designed as a pvp game and dungeons are shoehorned in.
Doesn't make them bad but it's not the focus of the game.

Anyone play soul worker? I just started it yesterday, its been pretty fun in its own way.

Is it going to get super p2w later though or is it just cosmetic whoring?

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It's very easy
You will never be challenged
Play DFO instead

is that game still alive? i played it back when it launched and I had fun but stopped since I got burnt out.

Based and thrallpilled

did that, actually preferred PLD/nin BLU/nin DNC/nin and WAR/dnc for tanking.
NIN/WAR tanking felt too boring.

Xenoblade was just too clunky of a game, couldnt get into it.
Felt more clunky than FFXI, but in an offline game.

i dont like the style.
i need my bright over the top cute anime shit

Tera for ERP easily.

sounds like you want DFO
cause that's what that is

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dfo is shit and dead

how is this a question
we all know there are like 7 western MMOs in development right now

I'm looking at the gameplay images on google and it looks pretty shit.

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doesn't have the population to support it much anymore really
unless you get lucky it's not gonna be easy

>shit and dead
>makes more money than every other MMO by far

>don't play WoW
>even though it's still better than literally every other MMORPG you listed
cracks me up every time

>500 players playing right now
that only means that it's p2w as fuck and the only retards still playing it are whales

I never understood why tanking is like that in 99% of mmos where its all about having high hp/defense and letting the wack you or aggroing them. Wouldn't it be more interesting if bosses or enemies targeted party members based on how much damage or healing they did during a short span of time and then the designated tank's job would be to get between that player and the boss and block or protect them from attacks? At least it might be more engaging.

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I guess it helps I always name my characters "ERP" in their name. so ive never had an issue.
Ironically get less ppl approaching me in FFXIV on mateus/balmung, than i do in other MMOs. (Tera being the place with the most for me.)

looks better in gameplay
youtu.be/7VtZ0f51j90

crowfall and all that shit will never come out. fuck the kickstarter was like 5 years ago

>everyone plays on steam
It was out for more than 2 years before the steam release
anyone that uses steam metrics for MMOs is dumb anyways since steam largely follows fotm patterns instead of playing long term mmos

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Wow, just like my old genesis games.

It's almost here bros, don't give up hope!

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Crowfall is literally due to release this year though... as soft launch

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facts don't care about ur feelings

>Wow look at all these microtransactions! Doesn't that make you want to play the game!
no.
Also its comparing itself to shit like battlefield and the sims, where you don't need to pay for shit. At its best, PC micro transactions are nothing compared to shit like mobile games

XIV

Dofus

I liked Archeage, and economy in it, before it went to shit. Anything similar?

What is this? Looks adorable.

based and frogpilled

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No, sandbox mmos are dead.
Someone will try to tell you black desert online but they're retarded and lying cause it isn't even a sandbox.

wait for peria chronicles

>blizzdrones still in denial that it's not 2008 anymore and their favorite game has become a lazy cash-grab mobage
cracks me up every time

Will it ever get a sequel?

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a game that will never come out

Zo Erp?

Peria Chronicles, I think?

Garbage combat. Trash class system.

Why live.
How come there aren't any good anime mmos anymore.

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>recommending a korean MMO
lol

>there will never be a good necromancer/summoner class for MMO

...

>mfw EA buys Nexon and thus Vindictus

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there are good anime mmo games just that they're p2w, not a problem if you're willing to put money into a vidya

I wish.
Vindi is technically a sequel to Mabinogi
If they combined the two and had a sandbox MMO with vindictus combat I'd be so happy

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nope, not me.

Bro, I don't deny that WoW is a lazy cash-grab piece of shit. I'm not saying this in a positive light.
I'm just stating the objective fact that even as garbage as it is, it's the best MMORPG on the market in 2019.

Warframe

> Constantly spending money on MMOs you'll only play for a month
It could be worse user, you could be playing gacha games instead.

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City of heroes had a cool take on it. You had 5 summons. If you never touched the pet bar all the damage you take was split between them all making you tanky as hell. But if you directed them to focus damage on one target, you'd lose the damage splitting.

But will i have my own farm, house and ship in it?

FFXIV is the better WoW game.
WoW's combat designer literally even said in an interview he thinks FFXIV is making better fights than he does.

Hey fuck you buddy. Warframe is fun.

SALSA mi hombre, is this hentai, echi, normie shit?

>mentioning gw2 on Yea Forums

Lel, they hate the game for no reason.

Peria Chronicles you can literally program you own dungeons if you wanted.
I'd imagine you can have all of those fully functional and a lot more

>worse

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this looks awful
why do the bosses have 600 health bars?
why is the damage like 20 lines per hit?
the game just looks like your average street fighter but with 99999999999 epic numbers

And all of that was ruined by any enemy with AoE, or a player teleporting you away from your minions.

Loved that class, but I don't think it was ever considered strong. Most people didn't even know the bodyguard feature existed until well after CoV's launch.

If only there could be a mmo that was like early mabinogi but with combat of vindy or Tera and don’t forget dress up and fucking capes. It would print nexon millions.

eh, at least she was allowed to do some cool shit and wasn't treated like garbage for years and then simply disposed of
but iktfb

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>AIR (new MMO from TERA devs, reworking combat)
i thought it was being made by the BDO devs and is nothing more than an asset flip?

>best part of Destiny's Edge gets nothing personal'd
>leaves behind her son, the worst part of Dragon's Watch
Not fucking fair.

Granblue Fantasy is a better MMORPG than FFXIV

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It's published by the guys that publish BDO, Kakao
The developers of BDO are Pearl Abyss and are working on two unannounced games. One a shooter as they hired the guy who initially designed Counter Strike. And the other is an MMO, which will likely be what they originally planned for BDO to be.
Also remember Pearl Abyss bought CCP, the devlopers or EVE, so they have plenty of experience on hand to make that dream game.

>Used to feel bad for spending 15 a month on mmo subscription on top of game + expansions.
>Proceed to spend 1k on gbf on the course of 2 years.
Really put things in .perspective.

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Now imagine if Granblue was made into an actual MMOrpg.
Ouch

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Shadowbringers

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fuck off gbfg

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I kind of agree with the granblue fags about it being an mmo and a good one.
Lot of content, great story, always progression to be had, crews are very social and competitive
it does all the MMO stuff and does it well it's just in a mobile game and has a horrid UI

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Huh I see.
Might keep an eye on it then.

I'm confused. If you guys are so burnt out on MMORPGs and craving something genuinely good then why aren't you playing the best MMORPG on the market? :^)

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FFXIV is literally the only MMO that's growing in players right now. So much so that they're bolstering their server infrastructure instead of removing/merging servers. Even the /vg/ general is outpacing the WoW general in unique posters on a daily basis. You can't name another MMO that's at least 5+ years old and doing the same thing.

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>For story
>FFXIV
>ESO
kys

because while it's a good MMO I always managed to get banned from JP games simply for speaking english

DELETE THIS

Legit answer you have 3 choices. FFXIV, TESO or GW2. That's it. I would say they are equally good since all of them have their own faults.
If you want WoW, play it on a private server and accept the fact that all private servers are shit. Current WoW is literally so bad, that even Korean MMOs are recommended over it.

i would play gw2 if it wouldn't look like complete shit

Also
>there will never be a good shapeshifting class for MMO (aside from WoW)

True anons, what are you guys waiting for?

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FFXI and OSRS. If you don't like retail FFXI then Nasomi has a huge population.

Battle for Azeroth: The story so far
>new races are marketed as a main feature of BFA
>they are not included in the game at BFA's launch
>blizzcon mount is released early, bundled with SIX MONTHS of game time for $77.94 in September
>faction capes are included with the $50 blizzcon tickets instead of the mount (blizzcon is an event where people pay money to see advertisements)
>"Whomper" cash shop battle pet is announced at blizzcon in November for $10
>it is advertised at blizzcon that 100% of the profits made from Whomper sales will go to charity
>in reality, only Whomper purchases made before the end of December go to charity, blizzard keeps the rest
>the "See You Later" mount/b-pet/mog bundle is added to the cash shop in December for $49.95
>after the sale of this bundle ended, the digital items included in the bundle were removed from the cash shop
>this was an attempt to create artificial scarcity to boost the sales of this bundle
>"vulpine familiar" cash shop mount is released in the same month for $25
>this mount seems to be designed specifically to appeal to furries
>"Hogrus", another cash shop mount, is released only 1 month later in January for $25
>the new races are added about six months after release when the bundled game time everyone bought with the blizzcon mount is about to run out in order to keep them subbed
>one of the new races, Zandalari trolls, has the most overpowered racials in WoW history (by a large margin) to promote $25 race changes

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Shadowbringers

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by the time I learn japanese this fucking game will be deader than my late grandma

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Lol i remember doing something like this. Single player games are capped content and same with Monster Hunter like multiplayer games. You'll be back. Eventually.

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More overpowered than +5 Sword and Fear Ward?

Good shit, Sherlock when every single MMO since god damn Ultima in 1997 advertised their persistent living world. How did you figure that one out ?
Every single one of them ha d a guy with glasses telling you how persistent their world is. You discover MMOrpgs' main selling point for 20 years now, great job.
20 years of bullshit and they never truly succeeded did they.

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This says absolutely nothing about the current state of the game.

Legion had interesting things to work towards in the open world when you werent doing Mythic+ or raids. BFA has nothing but mythic+ and raids, and mythic+ was made more restrictive and less enjoyable. They did finally nerf healers though, so nande pvp isn't frustrating anymore like at Legions launch

Or you could be like me and dump 5k hours into XIV and never regret a second of it.

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But EVE Online came out in 2001?

You guys sound depressed and jaded lol. How many of you are NEETs or minimim wage fags? It sounds like you're trying to escape life in a MMO instead of making real life your MMO.

They did for a while, then WoW ruined everything.

Actually Eve does have a persistant world. Too bad it's boring as hell

Remember Bless?

Shadowbringas

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Had a lot of promise in 2.0 but has been going downhill by getting stagnant with each expansion.

>outpacing wow gen
thats not a big thing to accomplish considering there is like 5-6 people who avatarfag with their chatacters, since there is no good content in game.

lmao this fucking guy.
holy fuck you are a miserable piece of shit and this comes from a 27 years old virgin with a receding hairline.

Legion wasn't even good either.

If it wasn't for orange loot coming from world quests no one would have done them, same goes for M+, everyone I know has pretty much quit doing M+ because 1 peice of high end loot that is completely fucking random what secondary stats you get isn't worth it and an upgraded trinket is barely worth the effort

To the contrary, 2.0 was the most boring by the numbers shit there is. The story these days is fucking kickass and despite 4.56 or whatever being a pure story patch I'm one of many hyped as fuck for it. The Baldesion Arsenal was just added and is the most unique raid in the game.

Based truth and Hiro.

i really need to get a job and start playing ffxiv I fucking need an MMO

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I just want a 2d MMO with beautiful sprites that has a fuckhuge world to explore with my guild. Too bad it ain't happening

This, XIV is the new big boy in town.

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dumb zoomer.

it's an mmo if you have a persistent character in a persistent world that holds a "massive" amount of players. the only subjective of nebulous element is exactly how many are required to be "massive".

can always play dofus or wakfu

And both are failing compared to OSRS

Why? FFXIV and WOW both have the same fucking problem, and thats the utter lack of content for you to do.

OSRS might be fucking itself over by catering to the slayerfags too much, but it still gives you a reason to log in and go level up your different skills and work towards different goals, and then you have shit like PVP pures to work towards that makes the game even more expansive.

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Didn't realize Blizz had become that fucking jewish, holy shit. After I'm done with Classic without paying thanks to WoD gold I won't touch anything Blizzard for the rest of my life.
You can do it user! I'm rooting for you! really fucking do it though. And hit the gym too.

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FFXIV is getting a Nier raid by Yoko Taro.

That's all it needs to win.

OSRS is popular because it's a meme game on Twitch, don't kid yourself.

>playing MMOs for the pvp

Why? There are so many better games for pvp out there. You faggots literally ruin every single MMO because shit has to be balanced around YOU so we lose anything cool or fun

just play a private wow server for free, if you need a fix.

So is WOW, your point?

The only people that fall for this mindset are the ones that unironically believe free Mmo's have the potential to be good when they're all the same cash shop fuelled grinding trash. The only good ones are the ones where you buy or are sub based.
>B-B-B-BUT C-CORPORATE KEK, you've never even tried free mmo's!
no, I've been there but at the ages of 11-14. I literally kept a giant text file of all the mmo's I've tried and I guarantee you I've played more mmo's than 99% of this board(it literally numbered 200+ mmo's)

The sooner you realize that free mmo's have inherent design flaws in them due to the way they make money and forget about them, the sooner you'll actually find a good Mmo to play. I fucking realized this shit at the age of fourteen when the endgame of every Korean grinder I played was a cash shop. At the age of four fucking teen lads.

Unironically play sub based mmo's or don't bother.. I had a decent time in legion and now I'm resubbed to ffxiv and still getting my Mmo fix. If the last literal 200 Korean grind mmo's you've played weren't good, why do you think the next one will be?

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Name a game with better soundtrack.

youtu.be/tSVSnqoZWDo

youtu.be/M0Jwsypbz10

youtu.be/2_GBDbXfVus

>FFXIV
>story
HW was the only decent part of the entire game.

who is this succubus?

OSRS is only popular because it's free to play and on phones. It's shit in reality because F2P attracts the worst community that doesn't care about any rules because they can bot/make another account no problem and who the fuck wants to play a Java game on Android or PC?

Fuck you guys I'm going to play BnS, even if it's P2W at least the combat is fun and the waifus are good.

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I don't give a shit about the story. The class balance, raids, and mechanics were the best in 2.0 because the devs were experimenting with anything and everything and we got some great fights when they were relevant (T2, T5, T7, T11, Titan Ex, Garuda Ex, Moogle Mog Ex, off the top of my head). Starting with HW and going into SB all mechanics become extremely by the books and recycled over and over again.

Hunting random players is a thing you really can only do and get satisfaction from in MMOs.

Or when your rival guild starts talking shit so you go kick down their base and make their guild leader quit or kill themselves.

it hurts
it hurts it hurts it hurts

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If you go look at the serverlist for OSRS the dead servers are the f2p ones.

>Classic launching probably within two weeks of Shadowbringers
>Blizz thinks they can kill XIV with Classic
>if they fuck Classic up (they already have a little) WoW will be dead and buried
>either way Blizz has absolutely nothing in store for 5.1 where XIV gets a fucking Nier raid

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oh no no no bros...

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Only a matter of time until RS3 MTX's itself into a shallow grave, and then the chinks will turn to OSRS.

Not him but group pvp in Lineage 2 was the best part of the game.

Why this hasn't been released west yet?

What ever happened with MapleStory 2, is it any good?

redpill me on this game, please

Are there any new MMOs that were successful in the west?

Thats great but its still a shitty game and isn't fun.

I can't. I stopped playing long ago but I still listen to it daily. Perhaps my favorite vidya soundtrack ever. Soken is a genius and probably the guy putting in the most effort in the XIV team.
youtube.com/watch?v=BnOKdmAcSP0
youtube.com/watch?v=9mvFvcDNrp8
youtube.com/watch?v=YZcTnkja6Sg

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you better have a very good CPU if you want to get anything done

It really does.

>class balance
Factually false, the tank balance in 2.x was absolute fucking garbage. The game right now is more balanced than it's ever been.
>Raids
Alexander blew the fuck out of anything but Final Coil and arguably even that, Brute Justice is the single best fight in the game.
>mechanics
Half the mechanics were vaguely defined at best and there was no set marker pattern which can mean one marker means two different things in two different attacks. That's fucking stupid.

how good?

>Blizz thinks they can kill XIV with Classic

Not at all, the only reason they release shit near major FFXIV dates is to make players commit to one game or the other because you can't play two MMOs at once unless you're a turboneet. They're banking on a percentage of players saying "shit I know Shadowbringers is out on X date but I've been looking forward to Classic for years so I'm going to give it a miss". Not that hard to understand.

>A game litterally everyone plays and hates what it has become
>Vs a game no one plays and loves

FFXIV wishes it could sell as many expansion copies as a shitty WOW expansion

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The best thing about it is that for PvP you don't need gear, it's only about the skill. Also fun dungeons and nice costumes for your character.

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Imagine playing a main series Final Fantasy game for the gameplay first and the story last. You must be brain damaged.

>Not at all, but also yes

You'll notice I said any enemy with AoE. Masterminds were not viable tanks for a number of bosses because they used AoE attacks.

>people ITT acting like the Nier raid will be amazing when it's the 24 man """raid""" with baby machanics that means absolutely nothing and gives catch up gear, the equivalent of LFR aaaand content that only people who can't do savage care about

No wonder XIV is so popular on this board, you're all fucking casuals who probably stand around as your femake miqotes or au'ra erping all day

>class balance was best in 2.0
damn nigga you fucking retarded

From the sounds of Blizzards current development pace and layoffs, Classic is most likely going to be delayed to late summer or early fall. Meanwhile FFXIVs next expansion is already confirmed for July 2nd with people who preorder get to play 4 days earlier in June.

Heh...
youtube.com/watch?v=78xB_GqLwPY
youtube.com/watch?v=lXMguMnsyak
youtube.com/watch?v=uvW-QTiZLQ0

It barely has any viewers on Twitch. Much like the actual game, half of those viewers are bots.

How is EVE such a autistic niche game it doesn't even get discussion on a MMO thread on Yea Forums? that's impressive.

>WoWfugee is obsessed with muh savage raids
Like pottery. Nobody gives a shit about your epic purple parse, now go take your HRT.

Major projection. I've been playing MMOs for 20 years and I haven't MMO hopped in several years. If you can't stick with something that's a you problem. I stuck with FFXIV, only time I left was between a bit after the original 1.0 release where it flopped and the legacy campaign.

Post your fflogs or stfu scrub.

>if it's not a serious raid that you grind for 500 hours you're not allowed to have fun!!!1

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By being MMO players

>The class balance
Yeah nigga I sure do enjoy PLD being hideously overpowered until HW.

Most people like playing fantasy MMOs.

EVE is its own thing, everyone here will say its shit and boring, and it is, but the fucking autistmo stories that come out of EVE are fucking fantastic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB

Is playing XIV on a PS4 an actual, sane, choice or is it PC or bust?

It was bought out by gooks a while back

There were only two tanks in 2.0 and each had clearly defined main tank off tank roles. WAR was bad at the beginning but was quickly buffed. Once DRK and especially AST were introduced, track and healer balance went out the window because there is always one tank job and one healer job that people don't bring because the other two are better.

>Alex
Most boring raid series imo. The community was also too casual for Gordias Savage and jt killed the raiding scene for HW's lifespan.

>mechanics markers
That's because until the end of 2.0 the figures rarely reused mechanics, and when they did, they implemented it in a unique way for that fight. Once they normalized markers for mechanics they started reusing them constantly for every fight and every fight feels the fucking same

Eve might persist but is it LIVING and BREATHING ?
They always sold it as an amazing alternate world but none of them lived up to that, probably because it's impossible to achieve.
My point is persistent worlds or alternate reality is the foundation MMOrpgs are based on and failing to aim for that goal of providing a fantasy life for players makes the MMO fail. We all want to escape here, we want to play pretend adventurer.

Typing will suck ass but you can play it just fine, controller is viable even in the hardest content.

Come home white man

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PS4 and PC are cross server. You can even hook up a keyboard+mouse to PS4.

If i'm playing an mmo i'm not primarily playing it for the story. Other than the story XIV offers nothing that other MMOs do better

yeah you can, one of my static mates plays exclusively on pc and we cleared this expacs savage raids

it's an actual sane choice
you can even play with mouse and keyboard on PS4 if you're reluctant about using a controller, but you'd be doing yourself a disservice as the controller gameplay works like a charm and is top comfy
just know that your PS4 account is locked to the PS4 and vice versa, you can't log in on PC with that account

>he doesn't kick low-performers
t. bottom 50%

This hasn't made it shittier than it was before the buyout... yet.

>Most people like playing fantasy MMOs.
Which is sad. SciFi is such a vastly under-represented setting for MMOs, if 1 out of every 10 fantasy MMOs is playable, it makes it sad to think how long we'll have to wait for a SciFi one.

Almost half of the Japanese servers play on PS4 and have the highest clear rates for the Ultimate difficulty raid tier.

Trying to siphon players =/= trying to kill it

bruh last time i played WoW was ABT and that shit was hardly any more difficult than the casual alliance raids in XIV, whilst being infinitely more boring.

It's completely sane but of course it's more limited, it won't run at max settings and the machine will struggle more easily.

Korea isn't my home.

PSO episode 1&2 doesn't really count as a MMO, but I fucking loved its blend of Sci-Fi and Fantasy.

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>From the sounds of Blizzards current development pace and layoffs

The layoffs were all QA shit, which while I think it was a bad decision they weren't axing developers/coders which is all Classic needs for now. I concede the development pace at least from a player's perspective seems to be going slow, but I think that's mostly because for some reason Blizzard are keeping everything close to their chest.

Welp looks like I was right, just a bunch of casuals. Shouldnt you be crying on the main forums right now asking Yoshi to ban parsers because you keep getting rejected from groups for your grey parses? No wonder you think 24 mans are good content and not mindless snoozefests.

>but is it LIVING and BREATHING ?
Absolutely. You must know nothing about EVE do you. It's by far the most successful virtual world/sandbox game in existence. Player driven in the truest sense of it's meaning.

Maplestory easily has the best soundtrack of any mmo, but FF14 comes close with its primal themes.

AHHHH
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

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Who the fuck "grinds a raid" for 500 hours? You must be trash, otherwise you could get into a static that clears quickly.

I never played them because of the hoops you have to jump through for english patches. But blending makes me think Star Ocean, which I was also disappointed in, wanting a more Sci-Fi heavy setting.

Classes are cancer.
Back when MMOs were actually good they were never good characters either didn't have faggot ass class systems and built their character as versatile or as specialized as they pleased, they could switch classes, or their fixed class wasn't some pigeonholed "role" and instead could actually hold their own.

MOMMY MY SIMON SAYS

Shadowbringers.

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PSO2 is complete trash, I'm talking about PSO1. It has an official English release and is still being maintained by private servers today like ephinea.pioneer2.net/

>breathing is space
>implying

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i just want wow to be good again
why are the devs so retarded, why did they have to ruin the fun gameplay of 7.3? besides the shitty legendary grind the gameplay was literally the best we had in years.

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God, I had so much fun searching around for secret farms and stealing everything. Also uprooting Brazilian players stuff. I remember i got a 22 hour jail sentence and had to stream my desktop to my phone so I could make the character jump every 10 minutes so I didn't get afk logged

I know it's complete bullshit but I really want an MMO like Yggdrasil, the idea of having programmable combat-capable servants and an actual guild fortress that you defend from PvP raids is fucking radical.

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I would go even farther and say MapleStory has one of the greatest video game soundtracks period. Without fail I will tear up hearing some of those songs now. So many good memories attached to them, but even without that context the songs themselves are so good.

EVE's community is very active.

Problem is space is big and everyone knows where all the good shit is so they congregate there, if you want a place to hang out where local is active and not full of bots go to dital.

Playing FF14 for 2 years, it's really limited in terms of pve content. Raids are okay, but there's just so few. Currently, there's only one piece of extremely tedious and artificially difficult piece of content that's relevant until the new expansions comes out in 4 months. There's just nothing to do unless you're into rng grinding for mounts and pets.

ESO has good questing and a nice overworld feel. However, the combat system is meh.
I unironically intend to play Wow Classic even though I've barely played Wow before.

>the Dragoon is dead

this is very realistic

Wrong

youtu.be/7yCGVNJhAH8

youtu.be/D4UOPAOB0kg

youtu.be/d2fBtfMy8-Y

youtu.be/AuAIc9e45uw

youtube.com/watch?v=uDg44MVJLrw

FFXIV's overworld themes really suck ass

Honestly legions gameplay wasnt that good. Mists was the pinnacle of class design

You could have just played Guild Wars the first...

SJWs ruined Blizzard and western video game companies. Japanese companies don't have this problem.

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MMO = addicted
better smoke weed than grind stupid shit

>Mists was the pinnacle of class design
*makes every class play the same through homogenization*
*teleports behind u*
nice try kid

WHAT IS IT LIKE WHEN YOU PULL BACK THE CURTAIN
AND REALIZE EVERY WRONG IS RIGHT

>mists
>when every class was already homogenized to "ever role gets an offensive and defensive CD + a CC of some kind :)"
Mists was good but not nearly as good as WotLK when classes still had flavor.

Isn't it sad that a PC exclusive MMO like WoW has less hotbar space than a PS4 MMO like FFXIV?

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Japanese companies also can't make online games.

FXIV hired WOWfags to actaully fix the game.

Why the fuck does every time I want to talk about a MMO, no one post in the thread, but everything I'm away or sleep, come back to see thread almost done. This is so fucking unfair and annoying.

Why is that a thing again
It's been going on for years but I'm still dumbfounded about why these freaks get special treatment for the sake of "diversity", and why exactly diversity is A Good Thing.

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WoW is a joke lmao.

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The alchemist class from dragon's dogma online is a pretty interesting take on tanking. You're basically some sort of a ninja / jester tank focusing on getting the attention of enemies, then evading their attacks as much as you can while you build up these alchemical debuffs on them. Hard to explain but maybe this video will
youtu.be/QFAYrkGH3VA?t=575

Not really, considering WoW is old as time itself.

because euros like discussing MMORPGs while Amerikkkans just wanna post twitter images and talk about youtubers

>Mists was the pinnicle of class design
I hate this meme

No, every class being homognized wasn't good, fuck they didn't fix snapshotting until SOO.

there's no gaijins on the FFXIV team except for koji fox but he's a weeb that moved to Japan since 2000

Any good open world sandbox mmos that are currently active? Something along the lines of Ultima Online and what ArcheAge tried to be?

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Don't worry, XIV is getting there. It had a massive purge and over simplification of rotations after HW and consoles players are still complaining that they have to press 1 2 3 for their full trust combo instead of the same button over and over

>why exactly diversity is A Good Thing.
what are you implying?

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You've purposefully left off the other action bars.

lol have you read the new FF14 terms of conduct?

swtor is breddy gud, and the story is finally getting better again since makeb.

I'd say EVE Online, but you can't log into that without wanting to kill yourself. It's a great MMO but you'll wish you never played it.

Stop talking about this game, it hurts too much

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>oh man looks l ok e tes6 ad

What the literal fuck are you trying to convey, you fucking retard?

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*laughs in MCH*

this
all I want is Yggdrasil Online

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Go get help user it's not healthy to be so angry over something so insignificant.