Download the Division 2 open beta

Oh, ignore me. I just looked it up, apparently the laws in DC are a bit better than I had thought. Still got a bunch of bullshit in place though.

>try to download the beta
>uplay can't push higher than 25MB/s
wtf is this shit? steam can pull all my 200MB/s.

Yeah but Maryland and Virginia are right next door and speaks the truth

don't you love these companies trying to shove 47 launchers down your throat

>trump becomes president

But the president in Division's universe isn't anything like Trump

No it itsn't

It asks the question that when people are desperate, the fact that you have a gun in a world where some might or might not is an important factor. Just posits that it got that bad.

My apologies.
Waiting to see what the True Sons faction are like in the full release, my guess is they're going to be some stereotypical right wing militia/sovereign citizen group.

You keep referring to "rights" as if that's an argument on it's own. If you actually tried to justify those rights you'd seem ridiculous.

because americans are using guns to constantly rid others of every single one of their rights.

They're former JTF members who want to eradicate anyone even resembling disease members and don't want to share resources with "civilians". Their leader had been military imprisoned and was going to be court martial probably when he got freed by his followers. He had been locked up cause he unironically diverted supplies and sealed off areas of the city to let everyone die regardless of their conditions.

I want to like the game but I'm still on the fence about it, I've had 5 separate crashes already and two sub-missions I couldn't complete because of glitches in picking up key item.

Sounds like poor luck, some people are having stability problems but the majority is having success, I recommend actually filling out bug reports.

Ok so someone who knows anything about the Division lore
USA is pretty big
Like, where is the army?
I mean, FEMA exists right?

I have been but I'm just very wary because it's still an ubi game. I may end up waiting 6 months to get the game

Yes but in Division lore that is CERA and they already are gone/dead

...how?

>play Division 1
>all the thugs and looters are literally niggers in bandanas
>the ones with bigger aspirations are always white

It was kinda funny

FEMA is in essence CERA, and the army was converted mostly into the JTF which is a joint unit combining what's left of any governmental personnel still loyal to the concept of law and order.

Before you posit how things got this bad, Division's concept is based on an actual live test that occurred in the US as a stress test for surviving an outbreak of the caliber demonstrated by Green Poison, and perhaps unsurprisingly the US failed, demonstrably.

I don't have to justify my rights to you or anyone else.

>When the First Wave of Division agents was deployed, CERA was in charge of all field hospitals, treatment centers, Safe Houses and supervised the construction of the Dark Zone. They also employed volunteers to help them ration out food and supplies to civilians in need. Vehicles (from cars to transport CERA officials to shipping eight-wheeler trucks) can be found all over the New York City and were used to adequately deliver much-needed supplies.

>However, food, medical, and personnel shortages led to increased riotings, to the point where the Joint Task Force (who were in charge of protecting these supplies and personnel) couldn't handle it. After the major disaster of the Dark Zone, along with the First Wave Division agents going MIA, forced CERA to pull out along-side the JTF, and CERA support from all hospitals and treatment centers are no more.

>the leader of the Rikers is a black woman

Did you play the game or...?

Disease outbreaks, violence, military coups any members of CERA leftover were absorbed into the JTF.

>the rikers are not aimless nigger thugs

They are literally named after a famous NYC prison

Why the fuck is it so boring? Had to stop after 15 minutes it felt so bad

Source on those live tests

if you own a gun you would have survived the riots
what's hard to understand

I thought guns and white people were bad?

Green Poison got em, if not that then the widespread societal upset caused by the virus probably caused the breakdown. There's a radio broadcast in the first game that talks about the developing issues in the rest of the USA.
Except maybe Larae Barrett. But then her only destiny in life is to be eternally spitroasted by four agents and their turrets in Lexington, so she probably doesn't count.
That sounds a bit better. My worry about D2 is that the enemy factions all seem a bit generic "dudes with guns". The first game had some interesting differences, the Cleaners were a great faction, and the Rikers and LMB felt like they fought differently to the rest.

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>Except maybe Larae Barrett
What are you even saying? Barrett was a common criminal leading prisoners just stop. You tried to be cute and it didn't work.

>americans instantly turn on each other and start killing each other
lmao

>no racial or cultural harmony
>surprised that when food deliveries stop people kill each other

If we really had a scenario like this many white liberals would get the biggest redpills of their lives as chulos gun down their parents for bread and cornflakes.

>aimless

I mean what do you want them to do? Have a plan to make a new government? They just wanna run NYC.

Cause you don't like the genre, the game feels great if you want what it's doing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter

In particular of note:

>Dark Winter revealed that information management and communication (e.g., dealing with the press effectively, communication with citizens, maintaining the information flows necessary for command and control at all institutional levels) will be a critical element in crisis/consequence management. For example, participants worried that it would not be possible to forcibly impose vaccination or travel restrictions on large groups of the population without their general cooperation.[5] To gain that cooperation, the President and other leaders in Dark Winter recognized the importance of persuading their constituents that there was fairness in the distribution of vaccine and other scarce resources,[5] that the disease-containment measures were for the general good of society,[5] that all possible measures were being taken to prevent the further spread of the disease,[5] and that the government remained firmly in control despite the expanding epidemic.[5]

The major factions all feel very different to fight against, and all have pretty unique aesthetics to them. The Hyenas are all drug freaks and anarchists but have been around military depots for so long and have developed a super PCP and have a whole council and structure.

The First Sons are like I said, former JTF soldiers, so lots of military experience. They're similar in scope to the LMB. Their tactics vary heavily from the Black Tusk.

Then you have the Outcasts, which are literal Mad Max disease cultists, replete with dudes with chainsaws, suicide bombers and drones with buzzsaws on them.

Black Tusk have SHADE tech, use Metal Gears and are operators operating

>or cultural harmony
Maybe up north and out west, but small town and southern USA would fair a lot better.

>I mean what do you want them to do?
This is irrelevant to my original point.

>Cause you don't like the genre, the game feels great if you want what it's doing.
I liked Destiny. I liked the setting of Anthem but fuck if it had too many issues for me to buy. Maybe I just need to give it another shot

Your argument is that their aimless, I'm positing that they aren't, their goal is to control NYC and survive the outbreak via strength.

The early game can feel like a traditional shooter, but I like the core shooting mechanics, otherwise I wouldn't stay. Late game is when your build starts getting fucking weird.

No that was not my original argument you responded to.

That does sound a bit more encouraging about the factions, thanks, I was just worried that there seemed to be two 'army lmao' groups with seemingly not that much to distinguish them from my impressions of the beta. All the info where did you pick it up from?

Dark Winter has not aged gracefully
In this post-911 world, attacks like in the simulation are just impossible

If you didn't own a gun, and your neighbor did, either they robbed and/or killed you, or helped you when you were robbed

Ubisoft games in modern settings have been all about having loads of guns, guns with all sorts of wacky setups and modifications.

>attacks are impossible
>Dark Winter aged poorly because post 9/11 we'd be prepared for such an attack
>when the Florida and Las Vegas shootings happened

Replace a gun with a canister of Green Poison. Hell, replace a canister with just slipping some dollar bills around on the floor of a club. The point of the test isn't that we're vulnerable to an attack of its nature, we're vulnerable to the fallout and the crippling weaknesses in the infrastructure to handle an actual pandemic.

I should state we know nothing about who's in charge of the Black Tusk but we know the Outcast leader is reportedly a woman who is asymptomatic with the disease and these people mostly exist in sewers and Dark Zones. You can fight them in the demo in the DZ.

Which point, that the Rikers are named after a prison? That only the thugs with aspirations are white? One of those is true, the other isn't.

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>Which point,
Scroll up to the first post you responded to of me this isn't hard user.

Division plot tries so hard to sound plausible it just runs against its weirdly adolescent script.
"Some people are just HYENAS you know? They just love killing people, robbing stuff and arson!"
Yeah, no group works like this in real life

You're a fucking moron.

>believing this

hurrrrr the simulations simulate everything possible it creates this story that reads just like fiction i just made up!

Obviously not your game then. I haven't played the beta but its clear from the interface and gameplay shown that it has a pseudo-old-school focus on number crunching with typical MMOs of yesterdecade, which is pretty much what Division 1 was. The autism around this being apparently not compatible with firearms is just autism speaking.

I hope you realize how fucking impossible it is to use smallpox in this day and age
It is one of the most highly secure bio agents in the world. Using smallpox as a weapon is in the same ballpark of fantasy as smuggling a nuke bomb to american soil.

Based ubisoft. All of their games are pro gun especially the far cry games.

does this game have a /vg/ thread? need to find people to play with. first division game and first 'looter shooter'.

rofl yeah smallpox is so highly secure and could never ever get out

except something that works like smallpox can just be newly synthesized in a small lab now

But I've addressed all your statements and you've yet to refute them in any meaningful way, this is the last (you) you get, since you're clearing wasting my time.

>literally a group of people who don't see any meaning in civilization anymore getting high and backstabbing each other would never exist in real life
>especially since they have the power to back it up by unifying, arming themselves from military caches and creating an influx of demand via a product

Alright

Yeah, and? You don't need smallpox, Green Poison was shit compared to smallpox. And it was made using shit that's literally in existence now, 3d printers and fucking CRISPR by some asshole who wanted to prove to the world he wasn't a fuckup.

You have not addressed my original point, you are strawmaning and failing at it. Niggers in the game were acting like niggers. I accept your concession user.

Are you saying that only black people were thugs? What's your claimant to aspirations? Faye was an asian, the player character can be whatever. Are you saying that the main supporting cast doesn't have any black people in it? Cause that's true in Division 1. Do the LMB have ambitions? Do the Cleaners? Cause if the Rikers don't count then only the LMB counts since they had a "goal concept" of setting up a dictatorship in NYC.

>this is your last (you)
>replies again

So not only are you a dishonest liar you lack any kind of self control?

There was one up yesterday but I think it died. Might try reviving it.

Why are Americans so eager to kill each other the moment govt fall?
I thought it was the UNITED states

There probably won't be one until release, and I don't know how long it'll last for. I don't recall there being generals for the first game for very long.

It's not like we had a civil war or anything.

Yeah between two form of government.

From what I can tell, which may or may not be 100% accurate:

USA is pretty big, but no one exactly knows where the outside help is in Manhattan. Sometimes, you get a few NPCs referencing that no one's heard from the army or otherwise. Local forces were consolidated mostly into the JTF, but the JTF is still mostly comprised of police officers, firefighters, EMS, and other first responders. Which is why they're pretty much ass at combat, because the majority of them are civilians with vocational skills first and combat/survival skills as an afterthought. In one of trailers, a map (maybe non-canon since it's never directly referenced) shows the virus being spread from a multitude of population centers, though weather that was from tainted bills being distributed there or a slow enough incubation period that allowed lots of movement out of New York is unanswered. What was shown is that New York was the largest "circle" on the map (Representing number of cases reported), with smaller circles throughout the US and western world and Asia, and small circles in Africa, middle east, and elsewhere. Of note, San Francisco seemed to have the other largest circle in the US, with some places like Houston, DC, and Miami being comparatively smaller, though depending on when that map was generated, it's likely that everywhere else could be undergoing a similar scale infection to New York by now.

FEMA's version in the Division is CERA, which pretty much functions similar in all aspects. They set up triage centers and attempted to keep quarantines and such, but were eventually supplanted by the JTF when order broke down. As far as a national presence, it's unknown if they're still operating at all, much like most of the government or military.

And all of the people just magically learned to love each other afterward?

this game fucking sucks holy shit.

>brown and gray shit everywhere
>horrible, cluster-fuck menus and general UI
>comically retarded AI
>boring missions, boring gameplay
>retarded movement system

i never played D1, but was it as bad as this? i quit the beta after 30mins cuz it was flat out not fun in any capacity.

if your society isn't ready to kill each other on a moment's notice it's cucked and gay

When you've got a bottle of water and a can of food and a kid and a gun and some guy wants to bum shit off you, people get real testy.

>wrong
>wrong
>definitely wrong
>woah man I shoot people and use my skills in the game can you fucking believe it why aren't I doing kickflips off my assault rifle
>one of the best controlling/feedback oriented TPS

I don't think you're cut out for the game

Was Ubisoft /ourguys/ all along?

>port their games well
>posits the danger in being too nice in a societal collapse
>lets you murder everyone equally

They're doing alright in my book

IIRC, in game, the sample was leaked from a Russian lab who had a simple in the Division universe and it's theorized Amherst possibly unknowingly had help by a third party who knew what he was planning.

I noticed this too. Was pretty surprised. Also, if you go to the Oval Office there is a audiotape of the president discussing border security to avoid third-world disease crossing the border.

Based and Redpilled.

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>Far Cry 5 has a song about keeping your rifle by your side
>Division 2 tells players that keeping a gun keeps you alive

They just might be.

>lets you murder everyone equally
Eh, they still don't let you shoot friendly NPCs or civs in 2. I thought that would be a neat feature, have them be killable by the player albeit at a penalty, XP or money or something like that.

>download the Division 2 open beta
>graphic is shit
>shooting is awful
>everyone are bullet sponges
>crashed for no reason
I wasted 20 min of my life on that shit

>best controlling/feedback

surely you're trolling? there's shitty invisible corners everywhere, including doorways, which dont let you through unless you line yourself up in the center first. it felt clunky as fuck, even compared to Anthem. it was closer to PUBG

>I shoot people and use my skills in the game can you fucking believe it
>implying

i beat the first two missions of the beta with my friend by just walking up to every single enemy and meleeing them to death while they were busy doing some retarded AI shit. you don't need to use cover whatsoever and the guns and grenades arent satisfying at all. the grenades especially are like fire crackers with PS2 graphics explosions even on Ultra

Lol, why? The narrative has to function, we're lucky they let us simulate going rogue in the DZ when clearly the player character wouldn't

>plays the game on the Story Mode difficulty
>thinks its easy

you fucking think? I also haven't gotten stuck on geometry in either betas, I think you just can't fucking walk in a straight line homie

To make you think before shooting every person in front of you or lobbing grenades without thinking about it? I've always thought it was silly you could shoot at civilians with impunity.

I think its just an arbitration in order to have copacetic gameplay, otherwise you end up in a shit sandwich.

do they stick Tom Clancy's name on these games because they're the only games that are allowed to be based?

Recent lawsuit. DC got fucking nailed for requiring training to buy guns from licenced instructiors, and then not having a location where you could even request an application to become a licenced instructor.

>uplay can't push higher than 25MB/s
Meanwhile here I am stuck with a 600kb/s connection. I was supposed to be living in a 1st world country.

At the present? American hate each other because every American gets a say in other Americans' business. The strength of the federal government having so much control over the provinces and states down to the local level means there will forever and always be at least a minority who is unhappy they got screwed in some way by the rest of America, be it over taxes, their states not getting federal grants, drug laws being too strict, immigration being too strict or not strict enough, gay marriage, or literally any other thing you can think of. The whole "United" thing means everyone has to go along with it though or face Uncle Sam's boot on your neck (Unless, of course, the current Uncle Sam secretly likes what you're doing -- you can legalize drugs and ignore ICE without a large crackdown so long as the current incumbent doesn't care, just watch out if the next one coming in has an agenda against it).

There are fractures mostly along cultural lines, and as of late, it's more of a rural-urban divide that drives things. That's why states themselves have issues on agreeing on anything; usually, anyone in the major cities of a state leans left, rural people lean right, and the two hate each other because politics is an arena where there must be a winner and loser, and both sides are attempting to apply what works for their region to the other. No one wants to force it to a head though because both sides realize they need each other to keep functioning, and there's a lot of other places in the world that want to see the US crippled or broken so there can be a new global hegemon. So the doom clock stays five minutes to midnight for as long as possible because the first shot that gets fired in revolution means the US as an entity will be dissolved no matter who wins.

Eventually, someone's going to get fucked hard enough by the Washinton that they start a fire, so war is pretty much inevitable though.

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>can't import character from closed beta
Pointless download.

why on earth?

Name one game that has ever let you import a beta character to retail.

Likely, Ubisoft realized shitting on a large market like everyone else would lose them sales in the long run, so they toss them a few bones here and there to keep everyone interested. So long as they don't do anything too egregious and show outward progressiveness, what actually happens in the game can be whatever they want, because game journalists don't play games anyway, and the few who do won't look past surface presentations.

Did you somehow miss the push of racial and economical division by the media in recent years?

how the hell do i make the ui on the second monitor work?

>can't import character from Division 1
This is even worse. They better at least let me make a picture perfect Trump character

Those shitstains deserved to be shot for making me run to them between a bunch of fucking LMB to give them an energy bar only to turn away just before I can and complain I'm not generous enough.

Can't import from closed beta to open beta you monkeys
Not grinding again

I grew up in Arlington, VA which is right next to D.C. and everyone I knew owned guns there.

It's a lame attempt to control server load.

Ha, good. Not someone from the states but I appreciate its gun culture.

Just started this up and using a ps4 controller had the controls fucking up. couldn't hold aiming down the sights while running and would randomly shoot non-stop unless I paused. Anyone else experience issues with a ps4 controller? I use ds4windows and it works pretty flawlessly for everything else.

Over on /vg/ we have to deal with divisioncucks literally advertising their dead thread in other fps generals like siege

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People bitched about this in the first division too. Thing is at the end of the day it blows over because the people complaining don't play games anyway

Are you sure you're not confusing megabits and megabytes?

I feel like the only reason i loved the division(1) was the setting. The snowy urban feel was top tier im not getting the same comfy feel off this jungle Washington to be honest

Why is it that you're so fucking obsessed you can't help but shoehorn your obsession in every fucking thing imaginable?

and thats a good thing
The division is much better than current siege

LOL