How does Valve still have fanboys?

>valve didnt invent nor pioneered lootboxes, that shit goes to ea and blizzard
Its in question whether you know what're you talking about or not

Fuck off, Valve's system was turbo cancer at the very least on par with the worse of what we have today.

lootboxes existed before valve, educate yourself you faggots. ea and blizz took them to levels that valve never had

>valve didnt invent nor pioneered lootboxes
they kinda did, October 2010 Mann Co update in TF2. Yet they got away with it since "items can still drop, duh" excuse . EA and Activison got inspirired by Valve, only problem is that they weren't that subtle, and already were starting to have a bad rep.
It took 8 years for people to realize that Valve was the original merchant kike in they just hid behind their good past titles.

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fifa 2010 had lootboxes. it doesn matter tho because lootboxes existed even before that

>Why aren't they as hated as EA or Bethesda?

((Half life))

The Valve fagboys were the worst during 2010-2015, making excuses all the way to Gabe's gut.

1. because the games were actually good and cheap/free
2. because you can any gameplay affecting item for free
3. because items could be traded, sold, gifted or ignored entirely
how do you trade or sell items in apex legends, anthem or overwatch? how can you purchase exactly what you want from another user in those games?

never played csgo much but i got a crate from playing
decided fuck it and opened it
got a knife worth $430
you never know what you're gonna get

TF2 and CS:GO cosmetics can be traded for real world currency
Not much mind you but it's a better system than all it's competition

Valve popularized crates sure, but it's so far away from the shit you have today. I think overwatch's lootbox system is the real cancer:

>Tf2 crate
>not obligatory to open
>Pay if you want
>Players don't play the game around getting them
>Dapper hats inside
>Can't buy them from steam itself, only through market trading

>OW LOOTBOXES
>Some people just play the game so they can open the box for a chance of getting a skin, kind of like a daily in wow
>Comes unlocked already
>Can get them for playing multiple game modes
>No hats, only skins
>Sells like hotcakes from blizzard itself

Guess which model is more popular and prominent in today's market and in other games?

>Why aren't they as hated as EA or Bethesda?

Really hard to get to that level without releasing any games ever

Yes, however Valve managed to get away with it and took it further along the years. You know the whole "unlock new skins with keys" that Battlefield and Cod have now? That was Valve's doing, with monetizing CsGo's skins, and it took until the gambling sites for people to call out Valve.
Tldr, lootboxes existed before Valve, but Valve managed to mask them better, hence making other publishers to copy them and continue this cancer.

You can't in those games because there's no artificial scarcity with skins. A couple of hundred will get you every skin you could possibly want, whereas in CSGO a couple of hundred will go halfway towards one (1) of the rarest skins.

because you don't need those to have fun in the game

I don't have any trouble donating to the company that's working on the world's greatest shooter and who knows what else honk honk

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do those crates even drop anymore

>>Players don't play the game around getting them

Is this some deep layer of irony I'm not getting?

EA created the lootbox cancer around 2006, not valve

They didnt invent it but they were pretty much the definition of pioneers in this case

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name 4 people you know that only played tf2 for crate drops, when we have a oversupply of crates in the market for years and years since they became sellable on the market

>lootbooxes exist
>valve make them more popular, despite them already existing in ea games
>ea and blizzard makes literal cancer out of them now
>yeah, who cares about who invented them, who cares about ea or blizz, lets hate on valve

How fucking retarded can you be
Theres literal fucking evidence in this thread that Valve was the first

Are you aware of the concept of idling? Are you aware it was such a major issue that valve had to step in?

lootboxes existed in maple story in 2004. dont be fucking retarded

people idled for weapon drops not for crates you absolute shitstain

I didn't mind them because I didn't actually need to open them to progress in the game and I made some friends by just giving away the ones I got to people who actually bothered buying keys.

It's not the concept of a fucking box that's the problem you retard, it's the gambling.

>misinterpreting the post 101
Anyone knows that EA and Activision are now the biggest pushers. What some and Valve lovers don't know is that Valve integrated lootboxes and micro transactions for many years, to the point where EA and Acti are now trying to copy them.
Again, Valve made them even worse. No one is saying Acti and EA are innocent.

>as hated as EA
because valve is not a studio-killing machine

tf2 invented and popularized gambling because of idling? daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn gaben

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valves implementation is way better than anything that existed before and after them

Was there a system like OW lootboxes before OW? free boxes that existed as random rewards for just playing the game? not even league of lel appealed to this sense of reward, they just gave you IPs to spend on runes/characters

ea already had lootboxes, valve had no impact on them

>cake is a lie normalfags
>Gabe Newell cock sucking redditors that call him gaben
>CYKA BLYAT Russian or eastern Euro that plays DOTA2 or CS or other games for free and doesn't give a shit
>chink that plays DOTA2 or CS or other games for free and doesn't give a shit
>south American that plays DOTA2 or CS or other games for free and doesn't give a shit

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how does idling relate to gambling?

>Forcing crates on players
Yikes

t. gabe newell

>Blizzard is responsible for lootboxes as we know them now
How are Overwatch's lootboxes different from TF2's? Other than you can actually acquire them through gameplay without spending money without autistically standing around in trade servers for hours on end?

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Valve is a pretty shit company with like 2 good games.

because half life thats literally it

Valve may have been first to use the loot crate system, but it was very much optional and non-intrusive. It was other companies who really tightened it around the player's throat while simultaneously forgetting to make a good game under all of that faggotry. They also got a lot of Internet points for that statement about allowing anything legal onto the store even if they have a rogue tranny or two that don't abide by it. But despite all that, there are plenty of people that shit on Valve, for the paid mods thing, the lack of games, etc.

wtf i love gambling now

>funnyjunk filename
Go back

the player incentive
ever since league of lel came out the game associated playing the game with a reward, in lol's came, IPs, but OW had loot crates. tf2 had a random chance to get weapons, crates, and hats, and they werent guaranteed, so players never associated it as a reward, more like a lucky drop. wow did a similar thing with daily quests, do thing, receive thing, just like that. lol sold RP and IP and blizz sold crates, so you could keep feeding this reward sensation you got from playing the game, sweet sweet endorphins.
see

>it was very much optional and non-intrusive

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TF2 is one of the most overrated games of all time up there with the half life series.

Yeah, it was. Unless you have some evidence that proves otherwise, the only one allowed to be smug here is me

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How are they any less optional now? I think you're just being biased because you actually like tf2 which is pathetic.

The first crate I've opened was a Spy flaming fedora back when the whole unusual stuff was new.
Funny thing is that I was also a complete noob, let alone being aware of the trading scene, so I traded it for eight hats since the normal trade menu back in the day only had eight spaces, some of them if not all of them were 'dirty' I was like "holy shit, EIGHT hats for one!" happy and ignorant. One of the reasons that I sold it was because I tought that the unusual flaming effect made people know where I was even when I was invisible, when in reality I just was an awful spy that get caught constantly.

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10 years later, its still popular kek. i wonder where overwatch will be in few years

That wasn't true of overwatch.
OW, I spent over 300 hours trying to collect all the 1000+ point skins for a couple of characters. I got nowhere close.
Compare that to tf2 where I was easily able to trade for the skins I wanted on soldier and demo within 60 hours of playtime and mostly only doing trading shit for maybe 5 hours of play time.

Yea they shit my limited inventory with crates/cases :^)

What the fuck are you talking about? As soon as unusuals came out, half the bloody server list were trade servers and you couldn't even join a fucking pub with a hate without 5 steam friend requests with people trying to lowball you. The hat shit took over the game.

Why do you assume I must like Overshitter if I dislike TF2. Protip TF2 was just the overwatch of its day. The super casual game for casual gamers to go fuck around in.

TF2 was such a fun game before it was completely destroyed with the hats bullshit. I used to play it nearly every day and I haven't picked it up for over 3 years at this point.

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For some reason everyone forgot this piece of history.

I theorize Yea Forums is young enough that they grew up with TF2 and didn't realize how it was perceived.

TF2 players are obsessed with Overwatch, probably because they are fundamentally similar.

TF2 threads nowadays eventually just all turn into threads bickering about Overwatch, even if nobody even said Overwatch is better. It's kind of pathetic, really.

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simply for the fact that you dont have to open them? are you retarded? have you read the fucking thread? this has been said like 20 times

there are multiple scientific articles researching the play/reward interaction side of videogames that explains in more detail what i was talking about, maybe you should educate yourself before coming to this thread.
>What the fuck are you talking about? As soon as unusuals came out, half the bloody server list were trade servers and you couldn't even join a fucking pub with a hate without 5 steam friend requests with people trying to lowball you. The hat shit took over the game.
they did that because people were thinking about making money while playing the game, making profit, your time wasnt being spent doing useless trivial shit, which is entirely another side of tf2crates which i seemed to have forgotten, but its true. you see, that is another difference in tf2/OW lootboxes. people complain about microtransactions but you dont have to do them, its entirely optional. for me, it was blocking people that wanted to trade for my shiny hats and just continued playing the game

That's a dumb fucking argument. You don't have to open boxes in any fucking game.

There are plenty of games that have more obtrusive loot boxes that pressure you into buying, ones that offer more than just cosmetics.
>Battlefront II
>FIFA
>Any card game
>SF5

Whereas in TF2 it's all cosmetic stuff that you don't have to use real money to obtain, they can be acquired by trading with others.

>there are multiple scientific articles researching the play/reward interaction side of videogames
Please link them. I want to see the hard facts and evidence the video game science community has in order to justify how lootboxes are only okay when Valve does it.

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Whatever faggot, tf2 community is dead and 90% of community servers are trade/afk servers. Valve started the lootbox trend in AAA games.

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what else would you compare it to? id faster assume you are a chink for hating on valve. no hard feelings for blizz

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I'm not comparing it to anything. I'm saying it was never very good. It was the casual alternative to better games. The Overwatch or Fortnite of its day.

yeah, overwatch or fortnite of its days, thanks for that comparison you moron

>valve bad

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lmao you open a case in overwatch and get jack shit
in tf2 i got 300$ for spending 6$

Valve also sucks dick and pretty much always had. Sorry you grew up with TF2 and didn't realize how shitty it was.

it outdid your favorite game lol, keep seething

please read the thread im tired of repeating myself

>I want to see the hard facts and evidence the video game science community has in order to justify how lootboxes are only okay when Valve does it.
not my point, but here you go
pastebin.com/SRqxc9qG
since 4channel keeps thinking any sort of links are spam, i put them in a pastebin
there are many many many more studies regarding that, maybe you could spend some time reading them too

> tf2 community is dead and 90% of community servers are trade/afk servers.
factually wrong, keep talking about things you know nothing about

Millions of flies who eat shit can't possibly be wrong! Just look at pubg

where is pubg now? popularity wont last you forever if your game is shit. tf2 is still here

valve is hardly a game company anymore. i dont know why do you care about them so much

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>its another OP tries to shit on valve but get BTFO instead episode

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>*plugs ears to any all valid criticism*

Looks like valve wins again! Time to celebrate with another $500 hat.

nice "valid criticism" you have there, champ

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try searching the filenames of some posters from this thread
its hilarious

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>locking half of the items in a game behind gambling is better than giving them out for free
Are you autistic or is this just bait

>filename
>not imagehash

>he actually opened crates for weapons that you can craft, trade, or buy with scrap metal

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because those games were made a long time ago and they haven't developed any new ones with loot mechanics since.

Valve most certainly fucks up from time to time. Despite this, no one has done more positive things for gaming since Valve launched Steam in 2003.

They created digital delivery and saved PC gaming.
They revived MAC gaming.
They have made the best controller solution for PC gaming that supports damn near every controller.
They contributed to the Wine FOSS project for years and created the biggest step forward in gaming for Linux.
They offer refunds on digital products.
They were a huge contributor tot he rise of indie games, but giving indie developers a reasonable way to sell their product.
They introduced the concept of cloud saves to gaming.

Bethesda and EA just shit on gaming. Valve when they fuck up actually try to listen.

Fifa ultimate team lootboxes predate tf2 lootboxes by a year.

This, reluctantly. It's never great to put all your eggs in one basket, but Steam is responsible for making PC gaming financially lucrative. It's just that they never grew out of their laissez-faire management structure, and are making one dumb decision after another (steam machines, Artifact, adult games, etc.)

Hopefully the removal of movie streaming is a start to refocusing everything

It depends. If you're lucky you might have got one or two expensive crates but the vast majority of them aren't even worth a dozen for a single weapon.

lol this. EA didnt copy Valve, it was Valve who copied EA