Why was Digimon not as successful?

not as cute and cuddly as pokemon

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The names of most of the Digimon are completely shit and the average design in digimon is worse than the average design in pokemon

equal graphics quality

It ripped off the wrong elements of SMT (talking monsters, humanoid monsters, detailed scifi explanations of its mechanics) while Pokémon ripped off the right elements of SMT (RNG monster collection, element-based combat focused on buffs and type relationships, permanent metamorphosis with finite and constrained movesets).

Also Pokémon came before the proper Digimon vidya.

if digimon came out today all the girl digimons would have to be censored

>digital MONSTERS
>everything is a human in armor
What people want to see is big monsters with big feet

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Pokemon's obsessive level of collecting IE ribbons, balltism, hidden power, and such plus the ability to bring Pokemon foward helps keep people engaged long term where as other monster collecting franchises are easier to drop in and out of.

>veiny feet

youtube.com/watch?v=Qrk1H9j9r0Y

Angewomon gave me weird feelings to my 9 year old peepee

>they ripped off SMT
>literally both came out before SMT

It had the building blocks but fucked up the execution. The games were never as fun. The gameplay was never as uniform, and the popularity of the series was carried entirely off of the show. Entirely. Digimon World 1, the game where your digimon would turn into a literal pile of shit if you didn't tell it to take a dump over and over again, was never going to become a cultural phenomenon.

The show was the best part about it, and even that was temporary because the show had nothing to do with the games and the games had no real formula to them. It was just bandai throwing shit against the wall in hopes that it stuck. Only recently with Cyber Sleuth did they get a formula for the series which I would call 'good', but they're twenty years too late at this point.

And, if people think Genwunner nostalgiapandering was annoying, you have no fucking idea how annoying Digimon Adventure pandering is. That shit is obnoxious. That shit is canonical, and it's basically why the show will never move on and ever create anything new or original ever again.

tl;dr Fuck Digimon.

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No consistency.

Digimon is to Pokemon what Sonic is to Mario
Digimon had one game that really stood the test of time, but from there kept trying a bunch of different things before it established itself. Instead of immediately polishing Digimon World's gameplay and concepts, they decided to turn it in to a dungeon crawler, and then in to an RPG, and then in to Gauntlet.

Likewise, Digimon had a stronger narrative aspect then Pokemon, much like Sonic did with Mario. When people think Digimon, they thing of Digimon Adventure, likewise people still hold Sonic SatAM in high regard.

because it's pants on head retarded

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Rent free.

Also the tedium, you forgot that digimon took the tedium of the older SMT games that kept people out.

If Digimon came out today, all the Digital Monsters would be Digital Women, and it would be another attempt at competing with Touhou/KanColle/Azur Lane.

I am thankful this is not the case.

>the game where your digimon would turn into a literal pile of shit if you didn't tell it to take a dump over and over again, was never going to become a cultural phenomenon.
Yeah just like that tamagotchi pet raising shit where it would die if you didnt take care of it. Oh wait.

Why does [certain IP] have to be as successful as [other IP with a similar concept]?

digimon world is too hard for kids

As a kid, I always felt it was a ripoff. It felt like someone copying another person's homework, changing some words, and passing it off as their own idea. I felt like it would be messed up to support that while the original still existed.

They tried to innovate. The industry secret is to make the same shit over and over again, and people will eat it up no matter what.

Mimi is so cute and pure

i think 40% suicide rate is p. high rent my dude

This guys gets it.

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digimon games are fucking joke and shit, because not about collectables and monster, but about breeding, feeding, shitting, dying, fitting and so on. no one like to play this shit even with good monter design

>Comparing a literal video game to a Tamagachi
The difference is that you were expected to babysit it. You could fix any of its problems in a second by pressing a button.

This fucking sucks for a game where you're expected to train something because the goal isn't to direct it into taking a shit or eating enough food. It's to raise it to fight something. So it's an extra layer is ridiculous tedium that is completely unfun and ruins the pace of the game.
Meanwhile in pokemon, how do you raise and take care of your pokemon? Fight shit. What's the goal of the game? To fight shit. Gee, I wonder why people would want to play Pokemon ahead of the game where I have to know exactly where every fucking toilet in the game is because the little bitch can't take a shit in the bushes?

???
SMT1 came out in 1992, Pokemon R&G came out in 1996

SMT came out in 1992, user.

And SMT is a sequel of an older series called Megami Tensei (or Mega-Ten, for short). "Shin" in Japanese means "new" or "true," so it's used to mean that it's the next phase.

Not that user, but Digimon literally started as a tamagotchi.

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ANSWER ME DOUMON

No?

same reason star trek never became as popular as star wars: most upstanding citizes don't support blatant ripoffs.

You pay rent when your sex change surgery fails and your pseudo-vagina explodes.

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GIGA CANNON

At least in the start of Pokemon, exchanging the monsters, trying to collect them all was a big part of appeal. Sure, you could do that with Digimon too, but it was way harder with console game than handheld you could literally carry to school with you.

No they didn't, SMT started on SNES.

Pokemon had way better vidya and marketing.

> detailed scifi explanations of its mechanics
Boy stop this is one of the best parts of the franchise. I'm tired of so mant fantastical games just going "lol wizards n' magic" or using the same thematics as magic. If anything, they should have gone full tilt and have stuff like "Our War Game" become the normal theme, where Digimon presence actually affects computer networks, which would naturally cause actual conflicts and issues in the real world without resorting to dimensional shenanigans.

And you keep mentioning them without prompt. You're either looking for company or to chop your dick off.

Underage user alert

>from now on
That's why the last 3 videos games(cybersleuth,hacker's memory and next order) have nothing to do with Adventure

Yeah, Digimon World was an attempt at applying Tamagotchi's mechanics to a wider adventure, and I guess it didn't work out too well. I don't think I've tried one of them myself so I may download one of the android ports to see what it's like.

This is a Digimon World thread. What are your favorite moments in the game?

Pokemon was less convoluted,had more appeal for younger kids and the video games were very tied to the anime(while Adventure,02 and Tamers had nothing to do with its contempories Digimon World 1,2 and 3).
Nowadays I'd say digimon has better video games,also,from what I've seen,public opinion on Pokemon Sword and Shield is pretty meh

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I disagree with some of these points. Digimon World 1 is a cult classic at this point, and I think it could have very easily caught on if they had simply stuck with it. For whatever reason, Bandai decided they'd rather make a dungeon crawler for the sequel and it sucked donkey dick and that started the wildly inconsistent ride that was the video games of the franchise. Also, Cyber Sleuth did not invent the Digimon Story formula, that was started all the way back arguably with Digimon World 3 and officially codified with the original Digimon Story on the DS. Unfortunately, it was still too late as it came around at the start of the franchise's darkest age.

On the anime side, it was the gimmicks that killed it. 02 had two major gimmicks and it sucked dick, Frontier had a wildly different gimmick that almost completely changed its genre, and it sucked dick for most of it. The gimmicks themselves weren't even necessarily the problem, the problem was more from the way those gimmicks were utilized. Armor evolutions and spirits felt so fucking underwhelming compared to regular plain old evolution because they were constantly getting their shit kicked in over the course their respective series. This was especially bad for Frontier since it tried to do the whole "Sentai" thing, with Toei somehow forgetting that part of the appeal of such shows is watching the heroes beat the bad guys in most episodes. Even when they get a major victory against Cherubimon, it's hard won and immediately made pointless by the Royal Knights, who proceed to completely destroy the kids in every single episode leading right up to the finale. There's a point where the possibility of the kids losing is no longer a tension builder, but a forgone conclusion that only makes every episode unpleasant to watch, which just makes it worse than watching heroes who literally can't lose. At least Susanoomon's fights felt amazing and cathartic. Until Lucemon Satan Mode just heals it all off.

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This.
Especially the monster feet part.

Considering the games were intended for young boys... here's a couple of reasons:
>Digimons are not as easily marketable.
>Digimons are not as simple and recognisable.
>Anime was a running story instead of a slice-of-life, which would have made watching it easier if you missed an episode.
>Some of the games were too complex (and playground discussions revolved more around Digimon poop than actual gameplay or theorycrafting)
>No competitive play in the early days like Pokemon offered with link cable (if you saw this, let me know, but literally no one played digimon socially/competitively where I lived)
>Pokemon was already established in the West (starting with TCG) with a firm foothold in the late 90s, whereas Digimon didn't get a good footing until the early 00s (at least in Europe, where I lived). This late-to-the-party curse meant few parents would entertain investing in yet another franchise with the same franchise output as Pokemon.
>Mario vs Sonic (trying too hard to be cooler than the more established competition). A simple example: Pokemon has Magnemite, Digimon has Revolmon. One is a sentient magnet. The other one is a gun, dressed like a cowbow, dual-wielding guns. Which one is the try-hard?

Now, I liked the Digmon anime better, but I never got around to playing the games. I did score some other merch for a brief time. But because Pokemon was ultimately more popular and easier to consume, Pokemon won out for me. Before long, no one even acknowledged Digimon where I lived. Shame, really.

That's an Easy Mode answer. It doesn't even answer the question.

desu I preferred Monster Rancher

BASED

Digimon had no uniformity to it, both from monster design and game/show design, so it was bound to not do as well.

>a gun, dressed like a cowbow, dual-wielding guns
that sounds fucking baller

>What are your favorite moments in the game?
Watching the Greymon that I spent hundreds of (kid) hours raising, turn into a literal piece of shit.

THE SCHOOL OF THE UNDEFEATED OF THE EAST

Agumon wasn't as cute and recognizable as Pikachu, the Digimon card game sucked, the video games we're not casual friendly, Digimon was mainly marketed just for boys, and the Pokemon first Dub opening songing being so iconic for everyone. Those would be my guesses, but I love Digimon.

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Of the two guilty pleasures,Digimon is the least embarassing of the two,to have.Imagine being on your 20s and still playing Pokemon

probably not a primary reason, but it certainly didn't help that it was just fucking weird compared to pokemon (not in a good way either). creepy, even. most pokemon were just animals with cool powers, that were only smart enough to understand commands and have some personality. digimon can straight up talk and are basically just people, but you have to train them as if they were a pokemon. having to help this powerful being, that's probably smarter than you are because a lot of tamers are children, when they can't find a place to take a shit like a small dog is always gonna be weird.

it also doesn't help that they digivolve so many times and go from one thing, to a completely different thing, to another, to another so quickly, the only one that really matters is the last one, anything else is just pissing in the wind as the thing gets stronger

We're talking about why one succeeded not why one is better.

Kids don't give a shit about your explanation of why things work the way they do in your fantasy setting.

Megas were a mistake.

SMT was a nothing series nobody cared about until Persona 1 so it's like it didn't come out until after

Pokemon has better designs in terms of market appeal, toys and plushies, cheap toy tie-ins with mcdonalds, animation etc.

digimon was actually really big and still is in asia and japan. I think pokemon was mostly brought by parents in the west for kids so they didn't want to buy the knockoff pokemon brand. yet in asia people didn't care and just brought them both.

its a cultural thing.

Pokemon had the better games but Digimon had the better anime.
Game > anime

>a now-obscure pokemon clone but with even more anime autism and even edgier designs is somehow less autistic than an IP that's so normalized that regular adults are one if its most important consumerbases and you'd only get shit for liking it if you were also a sperg

digimon is like the kingdom hearts of monster-taming games

No, what didn’t work out too well is the next World games not trying to refine what the first one did, but rather, change with each entry.

Not like the constant wanking over the Royal Knights are much better

You're not wrong. But Pokemon would probably have gone for a more subtle approach. Hell, Pokemon could probably design a gun Pokemon so good anti-gun people suddenly become avid gun-supporters.

Yes. I was okay with them at first, but after experiencing them, I now hate them.

>Retarded
Only if you're a casual or an idiot, which you confirmed yourself to be just now.
wikimon.net/Attribute

>Digimon with the same name and different attributes sometimes look different and in some cases have different attacks or types as well. >Digimon with the Variable attribute, which at least so far means Hybrid, change attribute to match that of their opponent. Vaccine digimon are supposed to be more powerful against Virus digimon, Virus digimon are supposed to be more powerful against Data digimon, and Data digimon are supposed to be more powerful against Vaccine digimon.

>In a more general sense, they can also represent personality types:

>Vaccine: As a rule, Vaccine digimon are usually good, put a high emphasis on justice and morals, and fight against evil.
>Data: Data digimon can be good or evil, but generally value peace above all.
>Virus: Virus digimon desire power, and can often become greedy, selfish, wild, or evil in pursuit of it.

>Digimon of the same attribute will generally get along well with each other. However, all of the above is not set in stone and there have been heroic Virus Digimon, as well as villainous Vaccine digimon. The Attribute system started out as a sort of "Rock, Paper, Scissors" determinator in the virtual pets. This is still, in essence, in use in most mediums (especially the Card Game), though less strongly stressed.

>Vaccine is dominant over Virus. Virus is dominant over Data. Data is dominant over Vaccine. Variable is 'tied' with all other Attributes, a rather unique factor in R/P/S variants. Unknown is dominant over all other Attributes.

tl;dr Digimon have a type and an attribute, similar to file formats and so on. Being data means their structure can change at any given moment, hence why you have that complex tree.

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>Pokémon clone
This meme needs to die.

OBSESSSED

jesus christ Still seething digifags?

Megas would have been okay if they actually were super rare and nearly impossible to get. Digimon had the right idea with making Mugendramon the only Mega. As well, it was just as monstrous as the other Digimon, so it still fit.

Once Omegamon became a thing, things really went downhill.

>Mobilefag

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>the same dude who's autistic enough to actually put the accent over the e in pokemon is also too autistic to accept that they like a cash-in on something normal people like

wew

I just love the concept of Digimon so much more

>they actually talk
>Pokemon only screech or repeat their name (depending on game vs anime)

>can be characters or animals (or objects or gods etc) in nature
>all Pokemon are animal in nature and feel really awkward when they're forced as anything else

>they have their own world with its own internal logic
>Pokemon are haphazardly thrown into the real world and never properly explained (do people eat Pokemon, do regular animals coexist with them etc)

>a shit Digimon design/concept can safely be ignored in future game/anime installments
>a shit Pokemon design/concept forever mars the Pokedex

>introducing new ones is painless and makes sense
>introducing new Pokemon doesn't make sense as it turns out they've been unheard of anywhere but in the region they're from

>companion Digimon are partners and can digivolve back and forth
>companion Pokemon are pets and are stuck with their shitty forms forever once they evolve

Digimon is just an inherently superior concept

Lilithmon!

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>Awful naming scheme of just adding mon to everything
>Monster designs aren't as clean as pokemon's monster designs
>Evolutions are nonsensical, a little dinosaur creature transforming into a bigger dinosaur than a humanoid with wings and suddenly a steel helmet?
I say this as I'm watching Digimon right now

how many pokemon are there now?

recommend good digimon game

If you're saying digimon is a pokemon clone you're simply being a stubborn gnorant

I didn’t do that on purpose, it automatically did that for me you raging homo autist. I’m not even that same user, I’m just not retarded enough to spew stupidity like Digimon being a rip off of Pokémon when SMT did the monster concept before both.

i'm not hip and young enough to browse with my phone.

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Too bad they're predicated on a cheesy 90s scifi concept of being able to materialize digital programs, which makes them hokey and dated by comparison.

>all this text
You just explained why digimon will never be as popular as Pokemon.

>PokeMON
>DigiMON
>Pokemon came out a year earlier
HMMM

>implying monster-taming games were worth a fuck to people before pokemon came out

Because the games are objectively shit. The anime the sole good thing about Digimon.

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So you admit you're stupider than a first grader.

And you as well.

You're just a simpleton,go buy pokemon for switch so that you can play it while Tyrone fucks your wife's son's mother

>zoomers are so jaded by irony that they simply cannot process honest and sincere writing
sad

Stop projecting your cuck fetish on everyone you freak.

And if you weren’t retarded you’d realize that Digimon was created by Bandai, the same company that created tamagotchi and started as such. But naming convention is all that seems to matter to you retards.

I've replayed Digimon World 1 more than I've replayed any Pokemon game and the series often tried to do something new.

There is nothing else like it while pokemon gets more stale with each installation while it kills all freedom you have in the game while increasing the time you're stuck scrolling through unavoidable, skippable cutscenes and mandatory pokegirl interactions.

Playing through a new pokemon game is hard to stay interested but replaying a new one is fucking miserable holy shit.

Pokemon is simpler and cuter in design. Just that makes it more accessible to a wider audience.
Pokemon games were also much easier and definitely more fun compared to Digimon, which filtered tons of casuals.
Its a wide appeal vs niche situation which obviously worked in Pokemon's favour. I'm a bigger fan of Digimon but even as a kid I knew it had no chance from the start.

Worse designs from characters to creatures

>Hey guys, Bandai created this completely different thing before! That means Digimon is not a ripoff of Pokemon!

I mean, the ability to have evolutionary splits would be true-to-life. But you shouldn't have DIFFERENT Mons evolve into the SAME advanced form. There's convergent evolution, and then there's get the fuck out. (I know they are digital so they get a free pass, but still.)

Also some of these are just palette swaps. Seems a little lazy.

They released around the same time, though...

Thanks for explaining why Digimon fails to capture its audience the way Pokemon does.

This says a lot about the design methodology of the two companies.

>I accused someone of being a cuck before they called me a cuck
>That means I win!!
There was an attempt.

A lot. About 800. Might have 850 with the new gen.

imagine defending a failed childrens cartoon on a chinese social media blog 20 years after it was even remotely relevant and actually believing you are the smart one

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Pokemon.
>Simple to draw but enough detail to cater to people who like cool animals or edgy monsters.
>Pokemon have almost zero personality so you can have any pokemon friend you want and project any kind of personality on to them.
>Games are shows are pretty much about a no name average kid out to make friends and have adventures which is relateable to everyone.
>Everyone has pokemon. You're brother has one, your mom has one, your teacher has one. Your pokemon sleeps with you, goes to school with you, bathes with you, You're baby brother who can't even talk yet has a pokemon who will protect it to the death and be with him forever.

Digimon.
>Ow the edge designs. Good luck trying to redraw super omega terrormon.
>Digimon are super human in both design and in personality. They actually talk and understand complex human emotion and thoughts. Many are actually smarter than humans. They don't actually need you and they sure as hell aren't your pet.
>Show and most of the games aren't about collecting and understanding the digimon so who really cares how cute the monsters are if you either have to kill it or can't even become it's friend.
>Story is about chosen one kids who need to excel in every aspect of human ability otherwise the world will die and all the digimon will hate them.
>Only select few people can have digimon and you have to keep digimon a secret, assuming the digimon even wants to team up with you.

>There are people who like Ash

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>you don't disagree with me, you think I'm just being ironic!
No, I disagree with you. Digimon is not as good of a concept as you think. It's a bunch of cheesy, dated nonsense steeped in lame 90s scifi tropes.

Imagine actually caring on an anonymous board

Then Pokemon are predicted on cheesy 60s concepts such as collecting bugs, which makes them even more dated

>SMT was a nothing series nobody cared about until Persona 1
Nigga there are countless "nothing series" that have inspired god knows how many successful series

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Not my fault you're a troglodyte who can't read 247 words.

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>Way less coherent powersets and evolutionary lines. Say what you will about the Pokémon anime's inconsistencies but it did advertise the games properly
>Most people were under the impression you only got one digimon, leaving less room to express oneself
>Less emphasis on burning the Digimon into the audience's mind as a full set. This is REALLY fucking important to Pokémon's success.
>It came out after
>The Digimon games were never consistent
>While a Adventure and Tamers are better than most anything the Pokémon anime has produced, they also demanded the audiences tune in week-to-week to understand what's going on
>The continuity reboot with Tamers and subsequent drop in western popularity is exactly why Ash will never be replaced as the anime protagonist
>The games are just worse than Pokémon. Even Cyber Sleuth, the game the contrarians claimed to have jumped ship to, is inundated with some of the most intrusive, boring story elements I've ever seen in a game, which was one of the primary gripes people had with Sun and Moon.

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Because Digimon games are mostly not released on Nintendo platforms and kids typically don't play age appropriate games on the other systems.

shoe string budget probably didnt help with marketing.

Raising a single monster just doesnt have the same appeal as capturing over a hundred different ones

the digimon anime was infinitely better despite this though. And our war games is better than any pokemon movie to date.

no one in this thread will ever care as much as this guy you're confusing 'can't' and 'won't'

>Company bases another IP off of one their own IP.
>That means it’s a copy of another company’s IP.
>Even though SMT did the concept before both.
You okay there bud?

Inconsistent designs through evolutions
Cluttered designs vs pokemon's clean designs
Talking monsters is stupid as fuck
Tried to compete against the superior product and failed

It's retarded.
And porn is only okayish.

>Pokemon are haphazardly thrown into the real world and never properly explained (do people eat Pokemon, do regular animals coexist with them etc)

It's been stated many time that people eat pokemon and even other pokemon eat pokemon. They even talk about in the show though the english dub usually takes that part out.

As of with real animals, Gen 1 and 2 canonlly take place on earth. Gen 3 made it so pokemon is it's own world and they don't hid it at all. Even noobs know that pokemon is it's own world.

>introducing new Pokemon doesn't make sense as it turns out they've been unheard of anywhere but in the region they're from

Not true. Just like in real life some pokemon are region specific, others aren't. There is only a hand full of pokemon where people haven't heard of them and they are usually super rare or legendary pokemon.

>Lazy AND retarded

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You literally erected a strawman in your backyard didn't you just now?
>Both share far too coincidental naming schemes and concepts
>But no, digimon is not a rip off because Bandai had a completely unrelated product and another company completely irrelevant to the conversation had another completely different game come out in 92!
You know Digimonfags are pathetic when this is their argument.

>probably design a gun Pokemon so good anti-gun people suddenly become avid gun-supporters
Remoraid and Octilary

>games were all over the place as they changed their gameplay with each entries and were overall mediocre or obscure with their mechanics
>the setting focus more on friendship and bond with only 1 Digimon instead of "catching them all" like Pokemon, it's less marketable as there is not that hunting & gathering aspect
>designs in Digimon are a bit more strange compared to Pokemon, especially in the later season
the Digimon cartoon was miles better than Pokemon's, though the dub was absolutly horrendous in my language (as it was translated from the English/foxkids dubs, tons of lame jokes are added throughout the episodes and the tones is much lighter

As someone who isn't into neither of the franchises but has played a few of the games Pokemon is more casual and it's easier to get into,Digimon on the other hand is pretty convoluted and the fact that the anime and games rarely reference each other directly also makes it seem like they have a concept and they give 0 fucks to making a believable worldbuilding out of it

Leomon obviously

>Megas would have been okay if they actually were super rare and nearly impossible to get.
Hell they would have been better if only Pokemon with one evolution had mega forms just to give some of the cool but useless ones some viability against their two evolution conterparts

>There is only a hand full of pokemon where people haven't heard of them and they are usually super rare or legendary pokemon.
Then why are there ZERO mentions of future gen Pokemon in any of the previous games/anime seasons

>Both share far too coincidental naming schemes
Digimon slips off the tongue easier than saying Digital Monster each time. Is that hard to grasp?
>and concepts
If you actually played the fucking games and watched the anime you’d know the only concepts shared between the two is
>Monsters
>Battling
>Evolution
Which is basically something shared between most monster based games. You’re only looking at this shit at surface level. I bet you think Monster Rancher and Yokai Watch are clones too.

THE WORLD

Look at Harry Potter, look at Pokemon, look at Naruto. One thing these all have in common is that their world and lore is so intricate, unique, and well realized that the stories don't need to come from the original author to attract fans. Fans can conjure their own stories and their own fantasies facilitated by the world created by the authors.

This is analogous to a lot of major business platforms, where they create a platform that connects buyers and sellers. Uber's platform connecting drivers and people who need rides, Amazon who connects online sales shops to consumers, etc. etc. This is the basis for a super popular franchise.

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>implying
You know that Yokai Watch is a thing right?

If you play Pokemon Red/Blue,you'd already have 95% of all pokemon games mechanics and concepts.In Digimon every game has different mechanics and concepts like monster raising(dw1),dungeon crawling 3vs3 turn based(dw2),1v1 turn based jrpg(dw3),hack-n-slash(dw4) and so on

Because it's still a game series which it takes time to develop an entire region and 80+ new pokemon. Imagine watching a movie and the entire thing is about what happens in the 3 part. It wouldn't make sense and it would be a cluster fuck that takes focus off the now. Planning that far ahead is crazy and can't be done in that much detail.

this just shows that digimon was meant for a more mature audience where as pokemon is and will always be for small children

>Pokemon world is intricate
yikes

So basicly if teenagers and man children can self insert into the world and make mental fan fiction the series has better chances at sucess

pokémon's popularity was at its peak when digimon came out, so it kinda overshadowed digimon

Because it had a remarkably shallow core concept and an aesthetic that was too pronounced to really appeal to the broader audience. Pokémon has a universal appeal.

Because Bandai had no idea what to do with the brand since day 1

So you mean it doesn't make sense, which was the original argument

Well, the fact that you CAN self-insert into a world means that it's fleshed out well enough for you to be to imagine a place for yourself or your OC in it. I don't see how that's a bad thing necessarily, even if it does spawn some really dorky fan fiction.

I'd say it was the story. In Digimon it is more save the world kind of thing. Pokemon is more grounded and it kind of a sport in collecting pokemon for needs not saving the world.

How does that not make sense?

digimon are definitely friends in the show, but most of the games they're pets

pokemon aren't really pets or friends they're more like trading cards that you either collect, battle with or hide in a box forever

>when its the most important time to try and dethrone pokemon for being low effort trash.
I played the Cyber Sleuth game and it's even worse, I suppose they get a pass because people expect Pokemon games to be better but still.

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>pokemon aren't really pets or friends

What are you smoking user?

pokemon has always been about making friends with your mons, the fuck are you talking about?

>I don't see how that's a bad thing necessarily
Apart from really annoying autists it's not really. I've just noticed that a lot of really popular stuff follows similar faction typing
>Multiple factions
>Specific specialties
>Color coded and/or has distinct but simple emblems
>Membership is often based on personality typing or has personality typing or astrology shit for categorizing
The last two especially draws in people, it's been Harry Potter's main draw for two and a half decades and will probably be the key to the new Fire Emblem's success

I love Pokemon and have loved Pokemon since Red and Blue came to the west, yet Digimon World 1 has remained one of my favorite games of all time throughout my entire life. Sure, when I was a little kid and didn't use the internet, the Numamon shit was really fucking annoying, but eventually I figured it out. If your IQ is so low that you can't enjoy a game with a much better battle system, many more things to do, a much greater challenge, then that's your problem. Digimon World is a cult classic for a reason.

I would like to say the problem with Digimon games is never remaining consistent, but Monster Rancher remained consistent and upgraded itself continuously until it died. While Monster Rancher is dead, Digimon is still alive and kicking, both the toys and the anime, so consistency can't be all.

Not that user, but I'd say it's more of the ease of self inserting within the rules and confines of the setting, with varying levels of customization. Granted some kids are of the mind to say things like
>I actually have all the powers
Or something.

How many monsters do you have in storage, user?

We all know WHY

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Ash is cuter and more fuckable

And they're all shit

even ash boxes 99% of his mons and never uses them again. They exist only to be collected and battled. The only exception to this is pikachu and meowth(Ironically meowth more so than pikachu and he's on the villains side).

a lot, but they're all chilling on a farm hanging out and playing without a care in the world
and the ones I keep with me get treated well and are chosen because I like them and not because they're more powerful

Daily reminder that both this games were released in the same year

youtube.com/watch?v=Jpdy9pZyGH4

youtube.com/watch?v=2R1XV4GSv8A

Cyber Sleuth & Hackers Memories > Sun & Moon

imagine being enough of a pleb to not like kaneko's designs. yikes!

>video games were very tied to the anime
I think you mean the anime is very tied to the video games

>tfw when i was watching the series as a kid, i always wanted sora to end up with mad for whatever reasons, i guess i just didn't like tai at all
>after the first movie wich pretty much confirmed how much they liked eachother i tought the cannon would go foward with them being an official couple so i just went with that and forgot about it
>after seeing a few threads on here and finding out that she actually dumped tai for no reason and went on for matt dick i was genuinely surprised

and i don't feel good about it even tho as a kid i probably would have, i feel incredible sorry for tai, what a fucking bitch

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>and will probably be the key to the new Fire Emblem's success
The new Fire Emblem draws from anime military academy settings, not Harry Potter. It's one of the worst recent trends in JRPGs.

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>being a moron

Kinda agree with this user. In the anime, digimon is like having a creature pal that can simultaneously be your little bro and big bro at the same time. Pokemon is like having a pet with supernatural powers. The pokemon video games more closely stick to this theme than digimon does, but then again it lacked focus and had less games.

ash treats all of his party mons like friends and he still calls and checks up on the ones he's boxed

>thinking a shit PS game can stand up to a kino GBC game

Forgive me for typing like an idiot, I'm sick.

Wasn't MegaTen huge in Japan, as in FF and DQ huge back in the day?

Ok bro

Because Pokemon came to the West first and had a really popular anime. That's really it. Even if SMT, Dragon Quest, and Digimon all existed before Pokemon, Poketards will still try and claim that anything even somewhat similar to Pokemon is a ripoff, and hate it just for existing because it's not their precious baby. All the other monster collecting games of the sub-genre have to go out of their ways to make names for themselves and actually improve on each new entry, while Pokemon has been stagnant for years, yet people still gobble up Game Freak's shit. It's honestly pathetic, really. Pokemon hasn't been good for years now, yet people will still try and claim that the series keeps getting better, or if they actually have complaints, still keep buying the new games like the mindless drones they are.

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THE WINDS OF THE KING

>vs written in poop font

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yikes!

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Marketing. And having Nintendo on your side helps.

>being this much of a manbaby

Pokemon is a lot simpler and focused.

Pokemon actually is. Unless we're talking the anime.

>And, if people think Genwunner nostalgiapandering was annoying, you have no fucking idea how annoying Digimon Adventure pandering is. That shit is obnoxious.
you're full of shit here. adventure pandering, while annoying, is largely quarantined to the anime and merchandise surrounding the anime. in contrast, there is no escape from kanto pandering in pokemon. the games are full of kanto, the last two new regions were glorified reskins of kanto, gimmicks like megas and regional forms favor kanto while ignoring other regional dexes (like johto) that could benefit from them, the merchandise emphasizes the kanto shillmons, the movies have completely skipped alola and looped back around to kanto, the anime refuses to move on from ash and pikachu after 20+ years of stagnation and even brought back misty and brock to pander some more, etc.

Digimon games suck(ed) ass

>Says the Pokefag

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>Digimon and Yokai Watch
>competent and hard working developers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Touhou is a bullet hell, it doesnt compete with those.

>WAH WAH I DON'T LIKE IT! SO IT MUCH BE BAD! WAH WAH!

After watching the sub, I always thought that one scene (You know the one) was Taichi giving Sora the push to talk to Yamato, not him trying to get with her. I was not only not angry with them not hooking up, I didn't really care that Sora and Yamato ended up together. I was too busy laughing at Takeru NOT getting Hikari.

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Prove it wrong then, if you're so confident.

Not an argument.

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Pokefags are undistinguishable from the Sonic,MLP and furry fanbase.

Megas favor hoenn pokemon the most if we're looking at the number of mons, and the anime is probably the most marketed part of digimon

>tl;dr it is retarded as fuck but who cares
fixed it for you, dummy.

Hopefully Yokai Watch can do that, it already has the pro of not being reliant on tradition so doesn't need to stick to one battle system.

God I'm so nostalgic for Digimon but neither do the new games nor the new anime interest me.

>Rock, Paper, Scissors, and some can cheat.
>Good, Neutral, and Evil most of the time
>Likes attract
>Repeat myself about the RPS thing for some reason
>tl;dr all this stuff I just sperged about is totally related to the evolution lines you posted even though I never explained how or why
>it's data, I don't have to explain shit

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>now-obscure
in reality, it's a multi-billion-dollar media franchise with an avid fanbase that still gets new anime, merchandise and games.
>pokemon clone
confirmed for not knowing anything about digimon.
>somehow less autistic
one of these series has chris-chan and justinrpg, and it isn't digimon.

Yokai Watch is already dead

>Normies
Normalfag detected

>Why was Digimon not as successful?
It's been said several times throughout the thread, but I figure I may as well give my take on it.
>Overly ambitious to overtake the flagship monster trainer
>first game came out on the Playstation in 1999 in japan - 3 years after Pkmn's debut in Japan, and a year before it reached the US
>By the time it reached the US, Pokemon was already in Gen 2 and on its way to releasing Pokemon Crystal in December
>Pokemon had an established formula. Digimon World franchise was always redesigning itself.
The stark comparison of Digimon World 1 vs 4 is the big reason why it hasn't been as successful.
The Anime did NOT help its case.

Arguably the first Digimon game was the tamagotchi knock-off. Which also came after pokemon to the west.

>military academy settings
God I hate these with a passion because they're never actually military schools with real military training they're Japanese highschools where everyone is on the keno team. That being said you can't deny the whole "school setting with three color coded houses with distinct personalities vying for your membership" wont scratch a HP itch for some people

digimon GAY

>two cherry-picked autists somehow means all other autists are a myth

>3rd major installment of the series finally came out in the West and has been selling out consistently
>4th major installment of the series is coming out this year in Japan on the Switch
>Shadowside is still currently airing and doing well in ratings
>New anime/manga series was just announced a week or two ago and is set to debut around June
>Puni Puni is still one of the highest grossing mobile games in Japan
In your dreams, perhaps.

Yeah he's retarded. It's just RPS, sometimes with elements stacked over it. Each monster having it's own personality and temperament usually in line with what type it's under. I think he was trying to make it sound more complex by adding length, but that backfired. I still like the system though.

Tamagotchi IS digimon,it was invented by the same girl

>3rd major installment of the series finally came out in the West and has been selling out consistently
Source: your ass

>Because Pokemon came to the West first
digimon actually came to the west first. it just didn't matter when the nintendo marketing machine kicked into full gear.

hoenn only has as many megas as it does because of oras. mewtwo and charizard got two megas each.

Nintendo seems to be pretty interested in pushing it though. Got a considerable amount of push on release.

Isn't anime military academy setting just an anime high school setting that the writers refuse to update to modern times.

Why is it that Pokemon fans absolutely refuse any amount of competition whatsoever? And why does it seem to only be a Western thing? Are people really that frightened by the mere thought of it?

Yokai Watch 3 was sold out for weeks and you couldn't find it anywhere online or in stores. Now it's been coming back regularly in stock on Amazon.

woah, how come a GBC game be that much better

>That being said you can't deny the whole "school setting with three color coded houses with distinct personalities vying for your membership" wont scratch a HP itch for some people
I wish I was as blissfully ignorant as them. But VC2, Type-0, and Cold Steel made me bitter and jaded.

Yeah, it's just anime high school, but with JRPG combat thrown in to facilitate some sort of action in the story. For example, pic-related is the dress code of the cast when they go into armed combat.

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FUCKING THIS

JESUS CHRIST I WILL NEVER NOT BE ANGRY

Because any kind of mild foothold this series had in the west was completely fucking destroyed by how god awful that first movie was, and consistently changing demographics certainly doesnt help it either. I am not going to pretend as if the first Pokemon movie was a masterpiece, it definitely wasn't, but at the very least it had a cohesive plot and started with a Pokemon related short and not Angela Anaconda

I'm glad I was able to get it on release day. Already beat the game and trying to do all the side stuff.

game freak's dicksuckers are insane. you can't even say anything critical of the upscaled 3ds game they just unveiled on /vp/ without a bunch of apologists lecturing you on how they're a "small indie studio" that can't possibly be expected to improve their games.

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Bigger budget

I remember the days when I was autistically invested in the Digimon Adventure anime.
Good times.
It was the first anime I'd ever watched.
The Pokemon anime never caught me in the same way probably because the story arcs were weak and it never seemed to be going anywhere.
Unfortunately the Digimon games themselves were pretty shit they should have just remade the anime as a JRPG

I'm a fan of both and would love to see Digimon get its shit together and make some good games and anime again.

I saw jackshit about Yokai Watch 3, ffs Nintendo didn't even give it a spot in their direct

For me,an anime or game has to have a point.The Pokemon anime was slice-of-life and its games objectives were always pretty meh(defeat all the gyms,destroy evil organization,win the league,repeat this over the next games) while the digimon anime and games always had bigger stakes.

That picture doesn't really work.
Yokai Watch is already dead.
Digimon is remembered as "that thing in the 90's that tried to compete with Pokeon and failed" or "Pokemon Ripoff", so basically like Go-Bots.
No one gives a shit about SMT outside of Persona, whose appeal isn't competing with Pokemon.
Dragon Quest had main 1 game with monster collecting and then relagated this feature to a spin-off.

Also none of them are getting a big hyped up live-action movie (and potential cinematic universe) while Pokemon is doing just that.

completely anecdotal, but I absolutely loved the first season of digimon when I was a kid. I was already completely wrapped up in pokemon. watched the show every day when I got home from school, had as many cards as we could afford, regularly bought that stupid pokemon magazine, saw the first film in theaters, had a pokemon backpack and bed sheets, and got red, silver and crystal near release and put hundreds of hours into them
but I still remember absolutely loving digimon adventure. I also remember losing interest with it either during the second or third season. I also don't remember there being any digimon video games. I remember the tamagotchis and I knew a couple people who had them, but I don't remember a single person having any of the earlier digimon games. my family was poor so we only had handhelds, but even then I had friends who had playstations and none of them ever got digimon world. when Yea Forums started gushing about cyber sleuth a couple years back I was not only surprised that there were still digimon games, but I was surprised that there were digimon games at all
also pointless, but I fired up my pokemon red the other day to see how many hours I had on it and I found that I had named my character tai.

Pokémon has a more universal appeal. Digimon's target demographic is boys, Pokémon appeals to girls too. Also, Pokémon are basically a collectible, while, in Digimon, the characters have only one Digimon each.

>Game company consistently treats both its fans and playerbase not only like shit, but as if they're all children
>People keep defending them and letting them get away with more and more shit, but apparently people are perfectly fine with being treated like babies, and will defend the games with their lives by saying shit like "It's for kids!!!"
>They'll try and review bomb any other game franchise that even somewhat resembles Pokemon on places like Metacritic
>People keep trying to push this notion that they're this small poor indie company with a niche IP
What a bunch of freaks.

>Also none of them are getting a big hyped up live-action movie (and potential cinematic universe)
you say that like getting a bunch of nu-hollywood bullshit is a good thing. detective pikachu looks terrible.

>detective pikachu looks terrible
Found the weeb

>Digimon's target demographic is boys, Pokémon appeals to girls too

>He doesn't know about the digimon fujoshit fanbase...
Also the digimon subreddit is riddled with women

All I did was copy + paste from the wiki. Holy shit you people ARE stupid.

I would not ever look at someone as mature for liking Digimon, especially 20 years after its heyday.

Speaking of appealing to girls, anyone remember that one official website of a bunch of fangirls who loved the Machop line.

>franchise meant to appeal to boys has a fujoshit crowd
Wew, how shocking

my favorite part is how anyone who's disappointed with sword/shield is accused of "just wanting botw."
literally the only people i saw expecting botw pokemon are the optimistfags who insisted we were getting an open-world gen 8 because a resetera leaker said so and masuda claimed they were "working on it" in an interview. those same people have now flip-flopped and are defending the trash game freak actually unveiled.

Multiple commercials and trailers for it on their official Youtube account and they've tweeted about it a number of times.
>Implying Switchfags wouldn't lose their shit if they saw a 3DS game anywhere on their Direct

Ten fujoshit weirdos isn't a demographic worth bothering with

Digimon acknowledges its core fanbase has aged.
Pokemon is still trying to appeal to the same age group over and over and over again

youtube.com/watch?v=kB52ole0BgI

Look here, and witness the three faces of Yea Forums.

>OMG GEN 8 IS GONNA CHANGE EVERYTHING BROS, WHO /EXCITED/ HERE!?
>S&S get revealed as yet another upscaled 3DS game on the Switch
>h-hah... y-yeah, w-who excited here, b-bros... l-looks so g-good... g-game freak's still got it....

Why is it that any time Pokémon, Digimon, and Yokai Watch are brought up in the same topic it just ends up being a large bout with shit flinginging while some people try to have genuine discussion?

Based and pokepilled.

considering that toei abruptly transformed appmon into a fujo pandering festival midway through the season, there's a lot more than just 10 fujo fangirls.

It always felt like a kind of ripoff to me. Mostly because of the name probably.

Was this made by Ben Garrison?

Pokemon had a solid base of videogames that never truly get old whereas Digimon relied on gimmicky pet toys and an anime that can go up or down depending on the season. Pokemon also had a better card game. At that point, it's just rolling momentum.

>But VC2, Type-0, and Cold Steel made me bitter and jaded
After joining up I just can't into anime military in general anymore because I keep nit picking about how goddamn unprofessional they are
>No discipline or bearing
>Constant insubordination
>Insubordination is brushed off
>Horrible officer corp
>Fraternization between enlisted and officers are not only over looked but encouraged
>Officer wank
>Enlisted are just faceless cannon fodder
>Under-aged combatants
>Uniform violations
The list goes on

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Nigger literally what does that have to do with OP

>Digimon core fanbase are the same retards who still haven't let go of their childhood
>Pokemon appeals to same age group, which will in turn consistently give more and more fan with every passing generation until the end of time
Gee, I wonder what's the smarter marketing strategy

Because Pokefags constantly worm their way into discussions and spout about how Digimon and Yokai Watch are supposedly dead when they're not, which causes the thread to derail. This site has a major Pokemon bias to begin with, considering there's an entire board based around discussing it, and retarded Westerns think that anything that even closely resembles Pokemon is a clone, even if the games play entirely different and hardly resemble each other at all.

That's not exclusive to those three, anytime at least two different things are brought up there will be people here starting wars.

Not even talking about quality of anything here, just that none of the guys there are "Pokemon Killers" like it seems to be implying.
The quality of the movie doesn't matter, Bayformers were terrible but they still revitalised the brand and brought it major success and DP will do the same.

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Girls and women are a different demographic. By girls I mean having cute, cuddly Digimon they can turn into a plushie and hug and carry all around. Digmon's artstyle is all rough, full of edges, even the cutter ones like Patamon appear boyish.

Pokemon is still popular among kids, that's the difference. Digimonfags are weebs, pokemon fans are all over the place. Comparing the 2 is retarded. Digimon is niche, Pokemon is Star Wars tier, with casuals and hardcorefans. Just look at the fucking games, from retards that are into competitive shit, collectors, shinny hunters, and kids that play the story. Then you have the TCGfags, or the toyfags, the pokemon go nostalgiafags, Pokemon it's too big to be compared with a an anime series, that had several games and that started as virtual pets.

Why do you think pokemon fans have a board just for themselves?They can't contain their autism

Never said it was exclusive. It’s still retarded regardless of what the topic is. The brand loyalty between Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo and the shitposting that ensues is extremely cancerous.

>Pokemon appeals to same age group
meanwhile, the actual playerbase is manchildren in their 20s. this applies to both the real games and pokemon go, btw.
kids these days are playing fortnite, apex legends and cod, not pokemon. ironically, as bad as those games are, they're not nearly as sanitized or hand-holdy as nu-pokemon.

>This site has a major Pokemon bias
Reality has a Pokemon bias.

And yet they still insist on making threads on Yea Forums, and the mods don't reinforce the fucking rules on their supposed containment board. They're literally worse than /mlp/

Digimon fails to bring in new audience so it has to chase after whatever fans it still has, while Pokemon brings in new audience with every generation and a significant portion of the old audience sticks around for life.

They did put Blasters MRC on a direct. I got Yokai Watch solely because I wanted to try Blasters but they were sold out so grabbed 1 and Bony Spirits then White Dog Squad and now got 3.

>kids these days are playing fortnite, apex legends and cod, not pokemon

M8, kids can like more than one thing, the detective pikachu movie will sell more merch than any movie before

Considering the following
>Shin Megami Tenshi was made before Pokemon, BUT does not remotely target the same age demographics
In contrast with
>Digimon was literally just boy's Tamagotchi until Pokemon became successful
>Yokai Watch was literally marketed as a Pokemon "killer"

Honestly is it me, or does it seem like Japan is trying to kill traditional fantasy?
Every fantasy story out of Japan that isn't super bogged down in tradition (ie.DQ/LoZ) seems to be either Isekai or [X] Academy.

Well shit, excuse me for not recognizing that particular wiki article. Besides, you made the post, you could have made it more concise.

>Pokemon is Star Wars tier

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>kids play cod
>current year

>This site has a major Pokemon bias to begin with, considering there's an entire board based around discussing it
that isn't a good thing, btw. /vp/ is a containment board that was created because pokemon fans couldn't contain their autism themselves. in contrast, digimon fits in just fine on Yea Forums, /vg/, /vr/, Yea Forums, /m/, /tg/, and /toy/ without annoying everyone.

Pokemon came out on gameboy, which everyone had anyway

Yes, in fact it's technically bigger than Star Wars now despite existing for 20 less years

>>Yokai Watch was literally marketed as a Pokemon "killer"
It literally was not you fucking faggot. Not in Japan. Only the retarded burgerclaps at games journo sites and the dipshits at ViZ tried saying that it was when it was never intended to be, which then tore a hole the size of the sun in Poketards asses that they're still made about it to this day.

>marketed as a pokemon "killer"
Sure, you keep following ViZ Media while the rest of actually follow Level 5 and what they said about pokemon not being on their radar.

The games suck and the drama in the anime is off putting for a kid, I want so monsters fighting not a dude wanting to fuck his sister or something

Or you can take the time to read a post and not make excuses for your retardation.

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Pokemon have catchier names

>”Pokémon killers”
Yokai Watch didn’t market themselves as such though. I’m pretty sure Digimon didn’t attempt to do this either.

You're right, I'm an idiot. I didn't see the link. Disregard what I say I suck cocks. I'm a bit off today, sick as a dog.

based

>implying the girl and fujo demographics overlap in any way
In fact, if it has a fujo fanbase it probably means it was made to only appeal to boys.

I think it's a mixture of market trends and Japanese writers drawing inspiration from other Japanese fantasy fiction rather than from the foreign works that inspired their predecessors. Every industry has this circle jerking problem to some extent, but otaku-centric media seems to exemplify it more so than any other.

I was talking about the picture, which did seem to imply that.

Same but what does this have to do with this thread friend?

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????
People that gayship are girls.Gays don't gayship

pokemon anime was one year before digimon
red and blue were a year and a half before world
I can't find any information on if the digimon tamagotchi came out in the west in 1997, but even if it did it didn't make enough of a splash to matter. I found that by 2004 the original digimon tamagotchi had sold 1 million units outside of japan

Oh, well in that case my mistake. Whoever drew that was probably doing that for the sake of shitposting anyways. Pokémon will sell like hot cakes, but Digimon and Yokai Watch are doing their own things and doing just fine. Don’t know why this topic has to be a giant shit flinging the first place.

>Don’t know why this topic has to be a giant shit flinging the first place.
People are fed up with people trying to imply that every other franchise is dead, so they lay down some facts, only for people to get riled up.

It was missmanageed. Thats it. Digimon had a real story and good soundtrack + really good movies. To be fair it had to fight against gen1 pokemon and the first pokemon movie but after that it had every chance to take pokemons place. They even had a series about their card game.

Now that I think about it, this might be the reason Sonic became such a magnet for that stuff while other platformers didn't, it has like real world shit but not really so you can mix fantasy and realism as much as you want.

the digimon v-pets came to the west in time for christmas 1997. the pokemon anime and games didn't come to the west until '98.

>Pokemon make cute sounds
>Digimon talk
Solved. The reason why the Digimon games were pretty damn entertaining (at least the first one) was due to the fact your own never actually spoke words.

at least this one reverts to a wolf with MEGA

People don't take care of 100 pets irl either

>Doesn’t know about the mountains of Veemon/Renamon porn on furaffinity.

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meowth and mewtwo didn't hurt pokemon's marketability at all, though.

That's probably what's gonna happen.
Pokemon will sell gangbusters, potentially even more due to Switch hype and DP hype.
Yokai Watch and Digimon will continue to survie off of their niche fanbase out of the public consciousness.

Pokemon just like Mario and Zelda,is doomed to repeat itself forever,never resting,never fading.Digimon will probably always exist too,but always reinventing itself

>Dumb frogposter fails to realize the mass quantities of Pokemon porn that vastly outnumber everything else

>what is lucario

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Because autism, anything new is scary to them, that's why they have been playing the same game for 10 years.

>pokemon
>focused on buffs
lol

That's just two creatures with lore backing why they talk. in Digimon EVERYONE speaks and it gets too convoluted for kids.

Odyssey and Breath of the Wild, at the very least, took the series in new directions. Pokemon are the ones staying the same because they can't be bothered trying something new. Or, you know, actually good.

>Searched for Youkomon and Kuzuhamon on the boorus
Youkomon only had a wall paper that was shared with Kybimon and a flipped version of it
Kuzuhamon had 0 porn
Digimon confirmed dead

>Closet furfags moving goalposts to claim that the existencen of Pokémon furries cancels out digimon furries.

I doubt speaking monsters is the main issue when the Mystery Dungeon spin off games exist and people love them. If anything it’s mainly the inconsistency with its games and piss poor marketing from Bandai.

They tried with Pokken and GO.

Because it invoked imagery of incest and sexual relationships between minors.

Neither made by Game Freak.

It quite literally does. No other franchise than Pokemon gets art NEARLY as frequent and in quantity as Pokemon does. Stay fucking mad, Pokefur.

>Forgetting that anything popular that has animal characters in it gets furry porn
Pokemon is more popular than Digimon, so it gets more porn, including furry shit.

YW has so many Jibanyan clones, think they're self-aware about that because 3 introduced Build-A-Nyan. A fucking customizable Jibanyan, all the way done to skills and shit.

Digimon had potential but it never settled on any one type of gameplay and didnt want to do turn based in fear of looking like they are copying pokemon. It doesnt help that digimon designs later turned into crazy spike blobs withel the powerlevel of dragon ball z characters

Are we even going to pretend Pokemon isn't the vidya franchise with most porn? It's specially weird because the most popular stuff in other media isn't exactly the one with most porn.

the "lore" backing up why they can talk is stupid and arbitrary. they're also not the only pokemon who can talk in the anime, they're just the most famous ones.
i don't see how talking is an issue. if i'm going to have a monster buddy, i'd much rather have one that can talk to me instead of one that can only say its name or make horrible game boy screech noises.

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The first DIgimon World was a huge pain in the butt back in the day. Without Internet you either end up with Numemon or with the same 2 Digimon over and over. It only becomes good (and really, really good) when you have the info available. Afterwards the gameplay started to change over and over, making it worse. The Digimon designs overall are also not that appealing in general.
Meanwhile, Pokémon had really enjoyable games all over and more appealing designs. It also came first which probably helped too.

Lack of consistency, honestly. Pokemon's game mechanics were simple and solid, and had easy to grasp parallels to the real world.

Digimon was just a mess - digivolving (at least in the anime) was something that 'just happened because I said so', and as another user stated, some of them were just unjustified, 'my guy is cooler than your's' power wank - and the fact that they could 'de-evolve' was just pants on head retarded. I'm not even sure how battles translated into the video games (and honestly, Pokemon was bad for embellishing on combat in the anime), but the fact that none of it took off really spoke about how either stupidly simplistic it was (ie just hitpoints and attack power), or how needlessly complex it was.

Considering one is the most important media franchise in the world and the other one is a flop, your logic is senseless

Digimon was a much better Anime
Pokemon was a much better game

>”flop”
Do people who keep using words like “dead”, “failure”, or “flop” understand what this means? A multi billion dollar franchise is far from a “flop”. Everything in existence can’t be Mario, Pokémon, or Zelda to begin with.

Pokemon had Nintendo backing it. We didnt have proper console pokemon games because it was pokemon that was selling the handheld consoles. Their handhelds and console are merging (switch), and they have footholds in the mobile world (Magikarp Jump, Pokemon Go, etc.), so they can further market the series and their own systems.

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Persona 1 was a nobody game, actually. In Nipland the SNES games were really damn popular as they were like DQ or FF for adults. Persona series didn't kicked off until Persona 3, moreso in the west.

The Devil Summoner game got a live action TV series, even.

Becuse ash and pikachu are the link that keep people comeing back to the show every few years.

Indeed she is.

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part of it is insufferable tortanic shitters who refuse to step away from gaming and find a hobby they actually enjoy. they WANT everything to fail so they can ruin it for everyone else.
the other part of it is pokemon fanboys whose standards for success are warped from latching on to the highest-grossing media franchise in the world. compared to pokemon, every other media franchise that has ever existed is a "failure."

persona 1 was the highest selling game in the series until persona 5.

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It was also one of the first games to be sold world wide too.