Why can't western devs treat their employees this well?
Why can't western devs treat their employees this well?
I find that average work day hard to believe, for a Japanese company.
The goal is to make money, not to make people happy.
Do you know anything about japan other than what you hear in western news?
>use mario in a suit to suit to recruit
>not using waluigi to show how jewish they really are
come on nintnedo
Nintendo are suckers. You live in Japan with little labor laws they should’ve fucking destroyed there staff
because in japan people are retarded enough to tolerate mass layoffs for their 'dream job'. You get a job, you keep it for the rest of your life.
Most of the shit you hear about Japans crazy work culture is out dated and highly exaggerated by american news.
Mr. Noseberg told me they work too hard that's why they need to accept refugees.
Meanwhile here I am working 8 hours (plus tip of 1 hour for lunch) with a net annual salary of slightly under 15.000 USD a year
At least japan has mandatory paid time off laws for all workers unlike the US.
I don't get what you're saying.
Iwata cut his own CEO pay during the failure of the Wii U, an american jew would give himself more and fire half the staff
>inb4 idiots read this and think that most people make $80,000
That’s why Bobby is based. We took his side because fuck the libs
Yes, I lived in Japan as a translator for 6 years. Not every company is like this, but on average, they have a really unhealthy relationship with work. It's slowly getting better, but not much.
Why not translate from home
this.
>company has 3 people on payroll
>average salary is $80k a year
>employee 1 gets $20k a year
>employee 2 gets $35k a year
>CEO gets $185k a year
>average salary is still $80k a year
>mean salary is $35k a year
Because I got to live in another country and bang some sweet Jap pussy for a few years. I still visit a couple times a year, but honestly fuck living there.
I had the opportunity to work there but I said fuck that
Love the language, dont care about the country, I guess Im weird or I just couldnt abandon my family
I bet those workers actually, you know, work for the 8 hours they're in.
Every American dev studio I've worked with or visited blows an insane amount of budget on break rooms, huge pantries, televisions and video games, pool and pingpong tables, soda fountains, or any number of other inane trivial bullshit. And half the visible staff is ALWAYS jerking off at any given time.
That's only the reported work. Overtime hours are uncounted.
What’s specifically bad about Japan?
Just typically island stupidity?
Nintendo does both and makes better games than Ubisoft/EA/Actiblizz/Rockstar
Nigger japs sleep in their office
So do Americans, but for a different reason.
They're still very xenophobic and nationalistic despite some very blatant flaws with their thinking, especially with really old people. Old people are kind of all cunts. As a Canadian there are also some cultural things that I couldn't get used to. It's a neat country to live in short term as a Westerner, especially if you're tall, white and good looking and have some money to spend, but fuck that.
If you have an option to go work in a developed country, go fucking do it, you doof. Same thing with traveling, take every chance to travel to countries you want to see.
No they don't. Stop spreading misinfo.
Salary isn't that good considering the cost of living.
Nah Im not going to abandon my bug comfy home I have all to myself to go live in a capsule apartment
And I can just translate from here
Well you do you. I'm gonna travel, enjoy my life, eat good food and fuck some foreign bitches.
Median salary is 35k, mean is 80k
>Work day 7h 45m
Plust two hour trip to wrok plus 2 hour mandatory drinking with boss. Also you aren't allowed to leave before your bosd
>Japan xenophobic
Can’t say I’m surprised
I went there for 2 weeks on vacation and since I’m black everyone kept point me towards the army base there.
I have a dependent card so get on wasn’t an issue but god damn it fucking weird to see everyone try to shoo you back to the military base
I dont know why you think Im not enjoying my life, typical normalfag way of thinking I suppose
3D is PD
Be glad they werent pointing to the zoo
Why no both, it is possible to make more than enough without being a greedy soulless devil
The Virgin homebody
Vs
The globe trotting Chad
When they start having a baby boom and can spend time with their family, maybe I can believe them dropping their old work culture.
fuck you're right, that's what I meant. I'm an idiot.
Pretty much. Not surprisingly though I dress more like the guy on the left. I just take care of myself and work out, so I don't look like an unfuckable faggot. I don't think right hand Chad could get laid in Japan without hiring prostitutes.
You are still a dumb normalfag
>You get a job, you keep it for the rest of your life.
constantly switching jobs is unheard of in most non-american countries
Because faggots become complacent, like in the western world.
nigga have you heard about the shit that goes on in Capcom and Konami?
>Pointing towards the Zoo
Funny enough I had trouble find the Fukuyama City Zoo and had to do an impression of an Loin for them to figure out what I meant
Oh boy this racism is kill me on the inside
Can I be a translator without a degree and not coming from an English speaking country?
The racism on Yea Forums is mostly joking or at least it is from me
I cant imagine what it is to actually experience real actual racism on a country wide scale
You should have known it was going to happen though
If you say so fella.
happy people give money, unhappy people find other vendors
The want a degree normally
can you quickly and accurately read write and speak both Japanese and English at a minimum of 10 grade level?
Also are you white? Big plus
A company that literally sells fun and entertainment is better off making people happy.
Yes to both questions
Is there ANY demand for Spanish?
If the job's not fun, why bother?
Do nips girl prefer white men to be shaved or not?
Just imagine everyone looks extra defensive, shying away meanwhile you’re 6’0 flat and 205 lbs of raw muscle.
I just looked plain scary to these people
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Quite a bit surprisingly enough
Not as many Spanish weebs as American or French though
>Can I be a translator without a degree
You absolutely can. I'm an engineer by trade and education, but have good, demonstrable English and communication skills and knew some basic Japan. I did know someone in Japan that gave me a lead to the job, so connections help too.
>not coming from an English speaking country?
Oof, from my experience that's infinitely harder unless you are very fluent in English. Being dark skinned is also a huge negative against you. Kind of loops in with Japanese being racist as a whole.
I don't know man, look at the US movie industry. Judy Garland was in one of the most joyous, happy movies and she was abused and force fed drugs on set. Entertainment is an industry and industry is about money.
Not sure, I didn't see a huge demand for Spanish, but I'm sure there is some.
Shaved as in on your face or your body? Just keep yourself well groomed. I was both clean shaven and had a short beard and didn't see a huge difference in either in terms of how attractive I was to women.
Iwata didn’t have hundreds of kangz, SJWs, and trannies on the payroll wasting money and destroying morale.
Not as glamorous as Japan, but I once went to Caye Corker in Belize because I read that is was beautiful.
It fucking sucked.
I'm latino (not Mexican) and the Belizeans didn't want to talk to me, the Mayan Natives started making conversation with me when I told them I wasn't Mexican.
The Americans wouldn't even look at me. I met a Canadian couple that was very nice, but still they preferred hanging out with British, Americans, etc.
And I wasn't the only Latino experiencing that. It fucking sucks to go to a country where they are so tribal like that. It was certainly something new to me to experience that seggregation, considering that I can go to any Latin American country and make friends easily.
Fuck the anglo Caribbeans, man. Those niggers should let us spics rule this side of the continent.
This. I spent a night drinking with a Japanese person when I was in Tokyo last summer. He told my friend and I his job was 9-7 Mon-Fri and when I asked if he got overtime (Should've specified that I meant money) he said "Oh yeah. We get unpaid overtime."
Interesting, thanks for the encouraging info.
Or maybe the guys in charge are happy and have more than enough money so they can afford to make others happy at the same time
Can I ask you a serious question? Are you in shape or are you overweight?
No problem, brothero.
I'm 2 kg over my weight. I'm 1.82m and weight 79kg
>7 hours, 45 minutes per day
Do they work a lot of unaccounted overtime? There's no way that's correct.
But are you in shape?
No problem
Translaters are always high in demand
Worst case scenario you could join the Army mention you speak fluent japan and they’ll keep you on that military base forever until you’re 4 years are up
That's the Jap norm.
>bang some sweet Jap pussy for a few years
did you?
No, not really, by the time I visited Belize I was 6 months without doing any sort of workout
>work less than 40 hours a week
no wonder why their games suck
Yeah no
They’re real work hours are about 10 hours a day that get paid for 7.45 of them
Im not american so no japanese military base for me, but its just time to do something with my life.
>Japanese company
>Treating employees well
Do you understand what PR means ?
Didn't Iwata take a payment cut during the WiiU years?
That's literally the least jewish thing I've seen a big company guy do.
Here’s some advice
Get fit
No need to be a SHREDD GOD but at least be decently fit
Just enough so if you had to run 2 miles in 14 minutes you could do it
That doesn't make sense considering the amount of fat Americans and fat Belizeans I saw there that were socializing
Well you’re English is outstanding so yeah fuck it go for Fampai
Try getting some connections on the inside
Labor laws do nothing but reduce employment and inflate prices. Economically-illiterate union stooges need to be shot into the sun.
Eh there’s enough Americans live there that it’s the norm
Yeah I just dont know where to start, job listing websites I guess but most offers ask that you already have a visa and I dont know the first thing about how those work either.
I have to devote serious time to look into it.
That's not happening. Birth rates slow down as standard of living rises and society gets more developed. It's extremely overblown how japanese aren't having any babies it's just normalizing after the past 100 years.
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>Oof, from my experience that's infinitely harder unless you are very fluent in English. Being dark skinned is also a huge negative against you. Kind of loops in with Japanese being racist as a whole.
It's just as easy if you come from a country like France. There is a bias for certain non-English country like France and Germany. Also nobody start learning Japanese without learning English first. The same applies to people learning Russian, Arabic and so forth. It's always [your native language] + English + [that extra language]. The only exception I can think of are people coming from close Asian countries like Koreans who learn Japanese while still having a very weak English sometimes.
Is he the most despicable person in the industry?
The biggest difference is Japan has no immigration to bring up thier population growth like other developed countries
Figures, do they like Spain?
I’m all for jerking off over glorious nippon, but I think it’s safe to assume there’s some information being held back. Like officially the days are just under eight hours, except for when the boss gently reminds you that it might be in your best interests to pick up another fifteen hours for the week
>thinking western devs deserves any money for making loot shooters and political cinematic garbage
reminder that 1 nintendo employee is worth 100 murican devs, thats why iwata cut his own salary once to prevent firing them
Not a fan of Iwata but bless him for that.
Spanish from Europe you'll be perfectly fine. Typically Western Europe is favoured way above the US, both professionally but also in the day to day life. Being American still has all those shitty cliché attached to it. I even noticed that with myself despite having a French accent, when people assume by default that you are "American" because they hear you speaking English then you tell them you're French and suddenly everything changes in the way they address you.
Spain doesn't have a bad reputation there either, maybe just below France and Germany. UK is pretty popular too, way more so than the US.
God I hope I can find some job for a year of so in Japan as a German
My Japanese is about N4 Level and I think my English is very fluent
>Western Europe is favoured way above the US
Thats complete news to me, and very nice to know.
Still angry about WWII huh.
Iwata's approval ratings were plummeting at the time. If he never took the pay cut he would have probably been fired by the board of directors.
I used to live with someone in Tokyo who worked 6 days a week. Worked as a pattern cutter for a well known fashion brand. They started work around 10am, and wouldn't come back to our sharehouse until about 9-10pm on average.
why? you don't need "crunch" if the management is competent in resource and time management
I've been to Japan multiple times and literally everyone I ever talked to about their work told me they do unpayed overtime and they know several people who also do unpayed overtime.
>implying waluigi is more of a jew than wario
Well it all depends the field you want to work on. I worked for Square Enix (internationally but many business trips in Japan) and to even be CONSIDERED for a translator position, N1 is the bare minimum, literally the minimum. They have their own internal test afterwards which most candidates are failing because let's not kid ourselves; N1 means you have the language level of a 15 y/o Japanese teenager, it doesn't mean that you are fit to localize anything professionally.
If only Manveer had spent a fraction of the time he invested in Twitter on making a good game.
With a total number of employee at around 2,000
and an average salary of 80,000
and knowing the CEO makes MILLIONS
and the administrators make HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
That's not a large pay.
And 7h 45m is likely "reported" time. Unreported overtime likely doubles that amount, will include weekends and overtime is not paid.
Oh I am not aiming for a translation job really
thank you jesus someone who isnt fucking retarded.
>And 7h 45m is likely "reported" time. Unreported overtime likely doubles that amount, will include weekends and overtime is not paid.
source?
cringe.
I can say the same for you, and apply it to Western companies
Every Japanese employee ever for the past 100 years
oh okay so your ass then.
>thinking OT means crunch
Not everything has to be black or white. Even in the UK, OT are pretty common without crunching. In my dept everyone had 0.25~1.00 OT daily, that's just how it is when you are in a large international organization. Meetings with our US counterparts always starts at 5PM and overrun past 6PM. We leave the office more often around 6.30PM~ than 6PM. then you always have that one last question a colleague is asking, waiting for a document that was supposed to come at 5PM but arrives at 5.45PM and so on.
And because you have another team in California who need your delivery to go on with their day, then you have to do those extra 30~45 minutes a day just to meet expectations. But we're not crunching, it's just that work isn't evenly spread throughout the day. Welcome to just any other office in the world that collaborate with people in different timezones.
>Asking for source on something unreported
You're not very bright are you? Do you understand that unreported OT is actually illegal especially in regard to taxation? Which company is going to mention that publicly?
>Japanese devs
>treated well
>Japanese workers
>treated well
>Asian workers in general
>treated well
lmao
Remember Großostheim!
a happy employee does better work
You're right clearly an office cannot have people with later starting times so that their normal work hours coincide with that of other countries. Obviously the only solution is paying out OT when there is a clear option to not have to do this.
If OT is paid out due to unseen circumstances, like the document not being there in time, then i agree that it is justified and beneficial. However that shouldn't be the norm.
Also i wasn't asking for a source from a company's reports. Literally any source. Im not even arguing that it isn't true, i just wanted a source.
We cannot start later because we need crossover with Korea. My 9AM meeting is their 6PM meeting (luckily for us our Korean office works longer hours since the legal work week is longer there). So you understand now how things cannot just always work? It was the same at SQEX. My 10AM meeting was with Tokyo, my 5PM with L.A. We were glad the Japanese staff would remain until 8PM for that.
There's just no way around timezones when you work globally. I just wished our NA office was on the East Coast, would work way better for people in Europe. And OT weren't paid as we were on salary. So on paper you are still officially doing a 37.5 hours work week (the legal time in the UK) but you remain at the office 39~40 hours each week on average. I bet that Nintendo is no different seeing the operate between UK, Japan and US West Coast too.
The only compensation you get is that our directors (and me as manager) was pretty lenient with staff taking longer lunch break, if someone needs to leave the office in the middle of the day for an occasional appointment we would let them etc.
>los goblinos trying to argue about economics
Both Japan and Germany have significantly lower unemployment rates than the US FYI. But hey, keep being a good bootlicker who buys corporate brainwashing and blame your shitty lifestyle on SJWs. Mr Nosenberg might give you a promotion!
>And Germany
You cannot be German or even European and mention that number as a relevant metric. Unemployment rate means jackshit when 10% of your population is under the poverty line. You take unemployment in germany: 3.4%. Now you take France, 9.3% while only 6.9% are under the poverty line. What's the point of having a job if you're still poor? Lot of jobs in Germany are "mini-jobs" with shitty pay.
Nintendo is the exception. Capcom, Konami, and every other japanese company works their employees down to the bone.
Every Japanese I know works less hours than I or anyone else I know in any western country. they think overtime is the worst thing in the world and consider overtime work a "Chinese" thing
>The goal is to make money, not to make people happy.
This is what capitalists actually believes
>The want a degree normally
Most of the youtubers that are/were ALTs don't have a degree.
I don't understand why do people act like only people in Japan work long hours I live in Europe and most people here I know also work for like 10+ hours a day.
Nice tweaking of statistics.
0.4% of the German population lives with an income under the IMF's standards for global poverty compared to 2% in the US.
The national standard for 'poverty' is just enormously high in Germany.
Also, the original post I replied to had didn't mention poverty at all, just unemployment and cost of goods, which is not provably affected by labor laws.
Yeah compare country of about 82 million people with country of about 325 million people.
Let me guess, you're barely scraping by.
Japs don't job hop like the rest of the world does.
Japs work hard and suck dicks just to be in that company (in this case Nintendo), no shit they're staying with that company for at least a decade.
They only truly leave if they're ambitious enough to land a better job in another company or in the case of women, they get married off to coworkers before age 30.
>7 hrs, 45 mins
(lol
There's also unpaid overtime and unpaid weekends if there's a deadline. Japs don't leave the office until their boss/supervisor leaves first, its a sign of respect and being a clock watcher is career suicide. Good bosses will tell everyone to go home when the working time has passed.
Men are also expected to suck up to their superiors after work, its how you progress up the ladder. If you're unmarried, you are expected to marry someone in the company, preferably someone your boss/superiors fixed up for you.
>Japs don't job hop
I've never met a Jap with a full time job, they sign contracts as temporary workers for a couple years then move on to something else
This is the norm for young people these days
Translatorfag here.
>Why the fuck you lying.mp3
Why the fuck would I lie about something stupid and irrelevent like this?
Fuck your IMF definition retard, that metric is used Worldwide including developing countries and is flat which makes no sense. $300 in Germany != $300 in Bangladesh. Eurostat does it properly and take the median income of each EU country have three thresholds (60%/50%/40%). If you take the 50% of median revenue threshold (€792 in Germany / €779 in France, so pretty much the same), 9.6% of the population in Germany earn less than 792 euros while only 6.9% of the population in France earn less than 779 euros despite unemployment being THREE TIMES higher.
So fuck your unemployment rate metric, jobs with a shit wage not even allowing you to live are worse than having no job and at least a decent healthcare and welfare system. Rents are even higher in most German cities than they are in France on top of that.
And before you ask for a source just google Eurostat + Poverty and look for yourself. Finland, Netherland and France are top tier. Germany is barely average EU with the UK, just slightly above Poland.
I don't know, fella you tell me.
I'm a Westerner with six or so years of actual experience around Tokyo and Nagoya and my experience has been mostly contrary to yours. I just don't believe you, shoo snail!
Happy worker is a good worker, long-time employees work better together in a team than short-timers.
>Reddit spacing
>shoo snail
Yikes
>medium tier employees for an international company
>old farts
>more than a decade doing shit
>full time job
>less than a freshmen from a community college salary
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Too bad Japanese are racist against foreigners and immigrant workers
they are not goying
say that in big boy words.
Because of capitalism.
>nintendo games are the most expensive games in the market and never get a price reduction as it age nor it goes of sale
>nintendo pays their employees peanuts
really made me think
nice facebook boomer meme
>"m-meme!"
not an argument
stupid nigger
at any rate, capitalism vs socialism is "be kiked by kikes who own a company" or "be kiked directly by kikes"
>Turning Point USA
>average age
>38.6
because their employees aren't worthless millennials lol. Everyone hates millenials so it's easy to abuse them.
life expectancy in Japan is high and a good percentage of the population is getting older. In the next generation the population is going to drop a ton and that fucks up the economy
Its ok they will get saved by mazinger
>average length of employment 13.5 years
holee fuq
Imagine thinking this is actually a long work day. I'm working 7-6 mon-fri and sometimes weekends
Because they don't have to. Western standards are unsustainably low.
>Average length of employment 13 years
What? I thought Japan was still "work at one place your whole life" where people don't want to quit and move around?
because japan progresses so slowly in everything they do and the west is the total opposite
thank you.
>Japanese only working 7 hour 45 minutes a day
Yeah bullshit
They do
Nevermind, I thought about it and I guess they might have a bunch of new hires lowering the average because 13 is actually pretty high when you're hiring all the time and messing with the data.
Official numbers but due to their culture it's probably around 10 hours.
Now compare them to valve :^)
Anything over 8 hrs is a long work day. There's no pride in eating even more shit than another shit eater
Stop living in the 1980s then. Japan has mostly phased out the hellish overtime shit because it doesn't increase productivity. Instead of crunch they push release dates back for the most part. Even when they dont like in Xenoblade 2 they instead offer actual fucking post launch support, they were patching that game for over a year with quality of life improvements and fixes.
gamerant.com
>That new strategy, Nikkei alleges, has also brought with it some horrific work practices. Kojima Productions, for example, is known as ‘Number 8 Production Department’ and the studios’ computers are not connected to the Internet, with employees only being able to send internal messages. It should be noted that Kojima Productions was then (reportedly) forced to disband.
>Additionally, Nikkei states that employees have time cards for their lunch breaks and those who stay out too long are named and shamed through the company. Konami’s offices also have cameras in the corridors to monitor employee movements and most employees do not have permanent email addresses, either. Instead, their email addresses are randomized and changed every few months, and these emails are also the only way that Konami employees can communicate outside of the company. Kotaku reports that emails are randomized to prevent headhunting, but in practice, it may also make it difficult for whistle-blowers.
>In another troubling story, Nikkei also revealed how Konami chooses to punish game developers who aren’t seen as ‘useful’. The report claims that anyone – from junior employees to producers on well-known games – may be reassigned as security guards, fitness club cleaners, or workers at their pachi-slot machine factory. One former Konami employee was reassigned to the pachi-slot factory, which caused him to get severe depression. After he left the company he posted about his new job on Facebook and when current Konami employees ‘liked’ his post were reassigned too.
Can confirm. Spaniards currently on holidays in nipland. They all like Spain a lot because of soccer
nintendo doesnt produce anything so they make nothing but raw profit off autists rebuying roms 3 times and buying nintendo brand cardboard.
Chances are he's a Westerner, retard.
Mario looks fancy
Notice the drones replying it can do both. Look I love Nintendo too but get real. It's at the end if the day, a company. A company is out to make money.