Do you find 'Bullet Hell' fun in games which aren't Shoot 'em' ups?
Isaac had it,
Nier had it,
Undertale had it.
Do you find 'Bullet Hell' fun in games which aren't Shoot 'em' ups?
Hudson Hughes
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Isaac Rogers
Also Furi. I enjoy them.
Andrew Jackson
Sure.
Camden Rodriguez
Nier was great but not necessarily because of the bullet hell elements. Hell you could block most of the bullets. It was just a very strange mash of all sorts of games; bullet hell, text adventure, TPRPG, etc.
Issac is a bad roguelite that only gets praise/acclaim because it is most peoples first/only experience with the genre.
Untertale wasn't really bullet hell in the traditional sense of vertical 2d space with a billion patterned bullets exchanged for themed "fights" that were almost like a puzzle mixed with bullet hell. So it was better imo.
Adrian Howard
No because they're incapable of making decent patterns like actual shmups
Landon Nguyen
name some good rougelites
Jack Davis
Every roguelite after boi tried and failed to be boi
Anthony Adams
Undertale and by extention Deltarune had some pretty fun patterns but I agree, most of them usually just end up as 'here is a wave of bullets just shimmy yourself between them'
Then again, Shmups main draw is patterns, other games like Isaac and Nuclear Throne's gimmicks usually rely on the weapons and stuff.
Levi Hall
Dead Cells, Synthetik, and Immortal Redneck are prob my top 3. I can list more if you want.
Some did of course, but to say every one did is obviously false.
Christian Kelly
>Issac is a bad roguelite
I'd argue with you but seeing as my post was of 'Hush' I have to agree with you to some extent.
I loved Rebirth but the DLC's actually ruined it. Hush's pattern is fun but is a fucking chore to fight.
Mason Williams
Can Nuclear Throne even be called a Bullet Hell? Thats like calling Hotline Miami a Bullet Hell.
Ryder Cox
>main criticism of isaac is that "only gets praise/acclaim because it is most peoples first/only experience with the genre"
>names significantly more recent games than isaac
good job retard
Zachary Reyes
GUNGEON.
Pretty great game, look it up on YT if you haven't seen it before. Later floors get crazy with the amount of bullets.
Ethan Butler
The epitome of "tried and failed to be BoI"
Connor Brown
gungeon's got major highs but also major lows. Would really have benefitted from more competent devs as I'm sure the code is an absolute mess and it shows
Jonathan Williams
Age is not a direct correlation to quality. Though I will admit I should have just left it as "only experience with the genre".
Hudson Rogers
>Isaac introduced scaling health
>"This fucking sucks"
>Sees Gungeon
>"This looks fun"
>Bosses have scaling health.
For fuck sakes, do these game devs hate fun?
Nathan Jenkins
I was ecstatic pre-release when fatmund told us that rebirth was going to be much more shmup inspired, but holy fuck that game's hitboxes are so unclear and inconsistent it's just frustrating.
NT did it pretty well, i think. Post-loop especially is great, when it's more positioning based because of how dense the bullets can get.
James Campbell
I've played a fair number of 'rougelites', including 1 of the ones you mentioned, but isaac is still my favorite. I don't think it's the first one I played, that was probably spelunky classic or something, but your argument makes very little sense as classic isaac is one of the earlier 'roguelites' releated, to the point where it coined the term to begin with around 2010/11. If anything, you made yourself look clueless with that comment.
Joseph Bennett
I like dead cells but I ran out of content like 15 hours in, while isaac has lasted me 400 hours, and all the ones you mention lack the synergies that make every run different. If I have to run one more ice shard dead cells game...
Christian Nguyen
>Beat Boss rush and ??? as Lilith
>Achievements and Items don't unlock
What the fuck Edmund? Fix your shit game.
Blake Flores
Witness is getting scaling health in Rep.
Angel Davis
>tfw antibirth is going to be ruined by Steakmund.
Connor Cox
Oh no no no, that is literally entirely on Kilburn's side. Said so himself.
Connor Reed
He said otherwise to me. He just can't disagree with Edmund or Nicalis will kick him out like they did with DannyB
Hunter Torres
No. There's a reason why Hush and Ultra Greed are the worst bosses in the game but it's not because of bullet spam it's because of LMAO DAMAGE RESISTANCE so you need to sit there and slog through a long ass fight
Xavier Harris
Do you really expect me to believe your "oh yeah I talked to him myself and you're wrong" bullshit without proof?
Grayson Richardson
The scaling health itself isn't the biggest problem.
The problem is the relative health it scales to.
i wouldn't mind hush and ultra greed always taking about the same time if that time was 3-4 minutes instead of 8
Benjamin Turner
The fact they are using the same composer instead of Mudeth just pisses me off. Mudeth breathed new life into the game and they're just spitting on him, while his music is clearly superior to Ridiculon. It's just obscene- they already have INCREDIBLE music at their disposal and refuse to use it. I'm questioning if I'm even going to buy it at this point, the music made the game that much more worth playing and I really can't imagine isaac without it.
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It's just sad that they would shove Mudeth aside.
Xavier Cook
>Every roguelite after boi tried and failed to be boi
Monolith succeeded at being better than boi.