What are some elder god tier villains in vidya?

What are some elder god tier villains in vidya?

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Ozymandias was just a doofus with a God complex who wanted to be worshipped. That's hardly a great motive.

How? His men would’ve raped Buddy, and Brad didn’t want her to go through what his sister went through.

Posting the superior version

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Why didn’t Thanos just make more resources?

šnyyyt

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but what about HOPE

Merry should've gotten with Eowyn at the end

Haytham Kenway

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That doesn't necessarily make you a good villain you idiot which is the point of the list

Exactry.

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Why dragon age?
The description doesn't fit.

The alternatives being awful does not make him good. He was still a psycho
In fact part of what made woman rebel bad is she wanted to continue his practices

1) Would have won if not for Raiden
2) Raiden literally proved him and his rhetoric right, and Raiden shaped the future based on his values as he was the strongest

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Irenicus had it coming though. He tried to syphon all the power out of his people's sacred tree. I still think he's a great villain but he deserved everything done to him before BG2.

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he's not really even a villain

more of that particular situation's antagonist, really

You can't judge how great a villain is as a character by how chaotic they are. Motives and reliability are good quantifiers but if you're going to tier them you need to take everything in account.

Are they a powerful enough threat to have permanent or dire consequences relative to how much the hero can do good? Do they have a constant theme? Will they invoke emotion such as fear, paranoia, or pity in the spectator?

With all that said pic related

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Because the movies are stupid and removed Death.

Raiden only proved the notion of might makes right, which nobody argues against. The problem was Armstrong's methodology, which by might makes right, makes Armstrong wrong.

Agreed.
Only thing Rando did wrong was try to save people who didn't deserve it

Same reason why he didn't just cut the birth rate in half. He's fucking stupid and can't do math.

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Are they really villains if they are elder god tier? Wouldn’t the hero actually be the villain

>didn't deserve it

buddy was a child raised in shit conditions, facing the threat of being raped by just about everyone she could possibly meet

she was completely justified in being as much of a bitch as she was

You can't just make resources

Antagonist would be a better word yeah

a villain can be the most generic thing ever and still be god tier as long as the presentation is good.

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That's a complicated question

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>Might makes right
>Raiden was mightiest and therefore right
>Armstrong says might makes right
>Armstrong loses so might doesn't make right
>World is a better place for it

Armstrong always wins, even if he loses. Armstrong is the perfect endgame.

I never said Pagan wasn't psycho but at the same time he was the devil you knew whereas Anita and Sabal will make things FAR worse for Kyrat. Not to mention that as you play through the game you discover that Mihn wasn't originally very devious but Arjay's father murdering his daughter pushed him to the edge

>Raiden only proved the notion of might makes right
Raiden proved that right makes might

STANDING HERE

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Marche will always be the villain to me

user you're being silly. Take your ritalin.

>still thinking motives = how good the villain is.

Broing it up with Sabal was the single correct choice for both Ajay and Kyrat.

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The story would have been much better if Cid was the focus but that would have made for a much darker story.

It's been a long time.

Sorry, I don't consider religious zealots who want to diddle kids to be bros

>Ozyshitindias
>Top tier
>Well written villain

Pick one and only one. Watchmen is terribly written and absolutely overrated

I like how there’s a point where they realized he was the obvious choice and all of a sudden literal rivers of blood

Accidentally linked the second one just as I was posting. Ignore

>immortal student to an ancient sage
>before sage dies, he gifts the other two students kickass powers
>Xande gets mortality
>he decides to wreck the balance of light and dark completely in order to drown the world in a timeless abyss and sustain his life forever
The only time you see this guy is when you finally fight him and he dies, but I think his motivations are pretty compelling.

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Ellen the Witch

I get that she's fucked and high on joy but she still comes off as incredibly unlikable.
Only brings out her most inner desires and the fact she wants to conquer unlike brad, who wants to protect, makes her hard to root for
Both were shit but brad selfishness came from a place of caring while buddy's god complex pushed it to a place of vengance and protection. She's justified but comes off alot more bitter than brad.

I REALIZE

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Because his motive wasn't saving society, it was proving to himself that his plan would have saved his homeworld.

the protag is such a dick.

This, I'm not sure how this isn't painfully obvious to people

That sounds incredibly petty and shortsighted but then again there are a lot of better ways to control life from destroying itself.

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Here's your elder god.

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Shouldn't Ganondorf be in mid tier? Ain't he an embodiment of power, kinda acting instinctively?

Ohio man is at least from Florida, right?

Agreed, but i don't consider him a villian.
In fact he's the real hero, just like Ozymandias.

because capeshit

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Wanted to change Pandora from the beginning.
Betrayed time and time again.
Saw the future (including his death) tried anyway.
Had a city (WHERE PEOPLE LIVED) which was constantly under attack by bandits.
Snapped during final betrayal but wanted to start Pandora again from scratch.
Destroyed the base of old enemies as REVENGE for their BETRAYAL.

He always knew this was going to happen, we saw how much of a shit hole Pandora is (literally prisoner planet) but we killed him because "Oh my god, I can't believe that he hurt us after we hurt him omg!."

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>Mid tier
>villains who are only obeying their nature and doing what they do to survive
I wish it were as easy to banish hunger by rubbing my belly

In no way was Marche wrong.

His greatest mistake was being wrote by Gearbox

All hobbits look the same to me.

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Rando also consistently fails to keep his men under control. The first time you see rando he orders his men to give you some supplies as compensation for wrecking your bike and immediately after he leaves they attack you to steal it back. Somebody would have ran off with buddy the minute he turned his back.

Villain =/= Antagonist
in general, what this picture is describing are antagonistic setups to a generalized protagonist. Villainy is a matter of perspective, and morality.
Ultimately you're being redundant by reducing characterization to exclusively the perspective of the protagonist, or even the player.
The audience shouldn't inherently be on the "hero's" side, nor should a character be antagonistic for the sake of it. The answer insofar as I can tell is that depth is what drives a strong character, hero or villain. Having somebody be antagonistic for the sake of it is inherently lazy storytelling, that is taking the one-sided tropes you've laid out here and adding little (or sometimes nothing at all) to it to give it that depth and context.
tl;dr None of your established tropes are intrinsically superior to the other, they're just basic storytelling elements to be built upon, and your ambiguous personal opinion on them will likely alter depending on saturation. What's God Tier today will become Shit Tier tomorrow, if everything you consume is homogenous.

he has enough reason and mental capacity to rise above it but he chooses not to

>freemasonic boss
>hero

nice memed jew

What would be an example of a villain not doing their nature?

the point is that his true opponents had no reason to return to the old world, marche was the only one to not lose anything from going back. marche may not be wrong, but his opponents weren't either

He'd also have to lobotomize every sapient being into existence into never wanting more than what the absolutely need.

>pre-ordained by the Goddesses/Hylia
>able to rise above it
lolno
Sort of an inherent problem with establishing vague, creationist gods is that it reduces all characters to nothing. Everybody's doing their part because they were literally created and programmed to do it, instead of a more ambiguous creation plotline.
Nevermind that the trio are shit characters anyway, not that they had to be anything but a backdrop for adventure gameplay.
Still it baffles me that LoZ has as many cutscenes as it does nowadays. If they aren't even gonna try then stop teasing it.

I do not.

A bunch of people died, stupid.

>Dr. Breen
>Higher than Irenicus and Magneto
LOL fuck off with this shit.

>your big brother of all people wants to make you a cripple again

I really wanted to kill Marche after this

YOROKOBE[tspoiler]

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Take your troglodytic memes elsewhere.

BoF4's setting is fucking hopeless. He wanted to do the only correct choice.

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how high they are is irrelevant to anything other than the rating of their motives. calm down, fanboy

What tier villain is bowser?

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look at all these unhealthy escapists

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I knew Sabal was the wrong choice with the way he religiously revered Mohandu and after having read Mohandu's journal, I was even more convinced. Amita came off to me automatically as plastic and when I found out she wanted to co tinue the drug smuggling I was only assured of that. The game tells toy early on that the Golden Path is shit but the problem is that you're forced along anyway. I was happy when the creators said the hidden ending was canon because holy shit do I hate Anita and Sabal

Probably Evil/Lust for power

mid. he is lonely and just wants to have the company of a beautiful woman

I'll never not take the revenge ending.

Trading an underdeveloped planet to super-advanced is really not a bad thing.

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It was a fucking real world retard, not pretend, a real world

EX tier along with Kohaku

His one flaw was that he didn’t know the military industrial complex already exists

Directed at myself

I could honestly only play this game once because the amount pure depressing shit you see what people go through in this game just saps any happiness and joy out of you. The poor farm girl who was used as a sacrifice for that weapon was the last straw

Ave. Truth to Caesar.

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is that garland from ffix?

Can't argue with that, who doesn't want the company of a cutie waifu. Dude would probably body swap with Mario in a heartbeat if he could.
And holy shit, that would be a great premise for a game. Too bad ninty plays it so safe.

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Even Skeletor in the shit Masters of The Universe movie was a better villain than Dr. Breen.
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Bowser isn't actually a villain, but he plays the role of a low tier one when the need arises.

He did win though, his plan went off without a hitch besides him dying. he even passed some memes on to Raiden

>The poor farm girl who was used as a sacrifice for that weapon was the last straw
It was literally the last straw for Fou-lu too.
He was fine with empire trying to murder him multiple times but once he understood how miserable and rotten the empire he has established become he just wanted to reset the whole thing.

Kotomine appears more sophisticated than he actually is. His real motive boils down to causing chaos for entertainment, though that is more reasonable than being evil "just because".

>ridiculously gay design
>seems like a complete nutcase Sephiroth style in the beginning of the game
>actually the most noble and responsible character in the whole thing with a genuinely good goal in mind
>helps MC to get over all of his issues and become something more than just a puppet of the government

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you're missing the point you fucking retard. the list is based off of motives not if a villain is COOL or MEMORABLE

>tfw my favorite villain is shit tier

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>meme
>says from experience that orcs can't be trusted and need to be wiped out before they fuck everyone again
>jaina helps orcs kill him because she wants peace
>orcs fuck everyone again which leads to an entire expansion pack of orcs fucking everyone again

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motives, you retarded fanboy. MOTIVES

He is genuinely awful.
7's Dio was pretty good, though that fanservice finale was absolutely unnecessary

I'd switch Elder God and Great personally.

Breen's motives are hardly "great tier" nor should his claims be taken as truth, he's weak bootlicking faggot that'll say anything to save his own skin.

he's a*

>nor should his claims be taken as truth
i can't take anyone seriously who had to be told motives are the reason a character is in a tier, not his cool factor. twice.

youtu.be/uZxLrxgWjeI
>tfw he is completely right

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Literally who

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>NV
>Villain

>people think Nasu's chuuni shit is good writing
Why is Yea Forums so normie these days.

The reason you to tell me twice wasn't because i didn't know that it was because i think you're rules for this are retarded just like thinking Breen's motives are great.

your*

New Vegas doesn't has villains
only delusional men trying hard to make the best out of a terrible situation

Ulfric was god tier villain

Where would Bluespike fit in to all of this?

One of the messages you linked is criticizing him you retard.

>fanservice finale was absolutely unnecessary
Absolutely. Dino Dio had such a great finale and then he comes back with the world. His death was clever though

>the only guy in the book who saves anyone
>a doofus

He wanted to free humanity

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Elizabeth Batroy-the planet

He would be shit or meh

Kotomine is a shitposter taken to the extreme

newfag

Fuck Marlo.

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He fed my waifu to a blob monster.

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His goals were fairly noble for the setting but he is a legitimate fucking jackass about the methods
There was no reason to feed Gwyndolin to Aldritch when the poor fucker was still alive

This chart is retarded. A villain is a villain. If the villian is hard to find fault in then he’s a shit villain.

Solidus snake

The men at rando land are implied to respect him
No idea why he was posted in a villian thread since he's a good dude
Marty would be good for this list

That guy disemboweled a chick what the fuck

Idea Guy saga was just pure fucking sadism

a man who can only see in black and white cannot understand paintings that use vibrant colors the same way normal people can

Who the fuck is that?

Where does Nox fit?

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from vagrant story

Translation: "I have no concept of good storytelling I want movies to be as simple as good guys vs bad guys"

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Vagrant Story antagonist, Sydney

and thats the reason why wrpgs have shit pacing dragging the entire game down.

freedom generally interupts a controlled narrative, yes. but freedom is what gave birth to rpgs originally. being on rails means you have no actual choices in a story

Lurk two years minimum before posting newnigger

>blizzard writes the same archetypes over and over since sc2
>people love it

Where does he fall in?

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>write protag
>label him villain
>good storytelling

> everything where the story has unjustifiable villains/antagonists is badly written
What about the Mafiosos in Hotline Miami? They are not really ambiguous but the story was still done well.

elder god

Pippin was with Gandalf watching people burn to death, Merry was fighting with her

Yo buddy, you still alive?

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Mother 2: Lust for Evil tier
Mother 3: Retaliating against misdeeds but still fucking everything up