Just finished the true route to this game, got most of the endings and lost something like 200 hours into it. Holy fuck...

Just finished the true route to this game, got most of the endings and lost something like 200 hours into it. Holy fuck, this game is brilliant. I understand that it was buggy as fuck at release, but it feels fine now, I had a few CTD's and a few small glitches (free loot seemed to spawn in my stash periodically) but all in all, it was absolutely fine to play.

And they fixed the loading screens, goddamn they were terrible when I started, but they're fine now.

It's easily the best BG2 styled game I've ever played. In fact, I actually think the character writing hits higher than BG2 in several parts, it's at about PS:T level to me (not for the plot/themes, just the characters). I expected above average and I got an easy 9/10.

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My take:

>The story was simple but well written, everything tied back to itself in ways I didn't expect. It was often fairly straightforward, but definitely not altogether predictable and almost all the major moments hit home for me.
>The characters were a LOT better than I was expecting. I went in worried when I'd heard about the elf slut and the cuck orc, but both were presented really goddamn well as fucked up and deeply flawed people, characters who hadn't shaken off the chains of their enslavement yet. Honestly, romancing Octavia made me decide I didn't like her as a romance option. I enjoyed her as a character, but holy fuck, Reg can keep her. And Reg is a fairly pitiable character himself, both in a deserved and undeserved way.
>Harrim is unique as fuck and very enjoyable.
>Jubilost is completely and utterly based.
>Noknok was much more fun than expected, although he shouldn't be CE. >Ekun was a bit of a brick, but whatever.
>Valerie put me off at first, but actually grew on me very quickly and having an entire character arc being about learning that they were wrong is fairly original.
>Tristian is a really good white mage character, in that he's as much for justice as for mercy, I liked him a lot more than I expected.
>Jaethal didn't hit any notes for me, but is probably fun on an evil playthrough.
>Amiri was amusing just because she's a total idiot who messes everything up.
>And Linzi was fairly good, although completely worthless outside being a buffbot.
>And you can have a threesome with two Tieflings.
>And you can redeem, heal and marry Nyrissa

>it's at about PS:T level to me
But that would make it shit and worse than BG2.

They should have waited a few extra months to release it. The false start with bugs and glitches out the ass completely ruined the game's reputation. And it's a shame because this is the best game of its genre since neverwinter.

it's a game that either loses your interest after few hours or it just clicks and the 150h campaign goes in a minute. Personally loved it but I can see if some people just cant get into it.

I dropped this game immediately when I couldn’t kill Linzi for stealing from the treasury. Fuck that Mary Sue snowflake self-insert character.

I've heard people complaining about SJW things in it, and I'll admit I did actually roll my eyes a few times. It's not Siege of Dragonspear balatant, but everynow and then you'll come across an female NPC who talks about their wife, or a male NPC who talks about their husband. It's completely ignorable, but it's definitely there. And obviously there's Reg and Octavia with their whole poly thing going on, but everything about them just seems to come back to how fucked up they are from their slavery, Reg wants to have something he owns, and Octavia wants to know she's not tied down, they're both just really messed up.

And hell, there's a kind'a funny scene where Octavia hits on Valerie and Valerie shuts her down cold, laughing at the idea and saying if she was to take a lover, it'd be a man.

Honestly the worst offender for me was when they literally pull Valerie's romance over right before you take her to bed, stop everything, and tell you she's not a virgin. Her whole character until that point is set around how unapproachable and prickly she is, a noble and a knight to boot, it seemed like a reasonable assumption, and there's literally no reason to confirm either way since it isn't important to the plot/romance at all. But they just pull the conversation over to bring up an old lover she's had that's never relevant and is never mentioned again, was clearly just written in to dispell any purity-fetish ideas people may have projected. But then they give you Kalikke so...

Any Linzi sex mods yet?
Asking for a fiend.

>I dropped this game immediately when I couldn’t kill Linzi for stealing from the treasury. Fuck that Mary Sue snowflake self-insert character.

Yeah, that's one of the things about playing Evil. I've only gone through as Good (NG and then LG) and I've noted that there's a whole lott'a evil options, so I think an Evil playthrough is probably very possible and robust... But it would also mean either forgoing or going around a whole bunch of people's personal quests.

Linzi steals from you and you either forgive her (get to do her quest) or get mad at her (you don't). That's dumb. But hey, you can turn Valerie into a Hellknight, and convert your entire kingdom into a haven of necromancy if you want, so that's kind'a cool.

Yeah, I can definitely see that.

There's a lot of quests that are like "Hey go find me this time, it's somewhere in the Narlmarches" and since I value my time a little more than being willing to just go to every goddamn location in the Narlmarches, I always just looked up where those items were. And almost without fail, every time someone was asking if the quest was bugged, or if it was working yet.

The game is completely stable now, but I get the impression it used to be a LOT worse.

*friend

This is what happened to me, by no means I think it is a bad game, but for some reason I just lost interest a few hours after I got the city.

Just don't build a library. She gets a really shitty ending, alone put away and without anyone to read her

>roll my eyes a few times
like when?

The only thing I noticed was some gay couple in Pitax.

Shit artstyle couldnt play it

Im playing through it right now, just founded my barony. Its really good considering it was made by a few of my kinmen. But some SJW shit is really embarassing. People being gay aside, you just KNOW someone on the dev team got cucked at some point and projected it into the game as reg/oct

I found myself losing interest around the midway point, I think when I was doing the Armag line or something. I was getting sick of the incredibly long and constant loading screens (the fact you can't go from your throne to the world map is ridiculous) and was just thinking maybe I should just give up on it, I wasn't really enjoying it.

But something about the Pitax questline, being different and giving you many more choices and options, was just a heap of fun, completely rekindled my interest and I've been hooked since.

Two major flaws

1. Not being able to go from your throne room to the world map
2. Fuck the wild hunt. Fuck them so fucking hard. They make the House at the Edge of Time a huge, huge slog. And they're fairly bad in the finale too.

I'm not sure it's even possible to get lv20 either, the highest I've made is lv19.

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Jesus, I've lived long enough where it is now the contrarian opinion to think BG2 is better than PS:T.

I don't like any of the companions desu. Much prefer to just roll with a custom adventurer party, but it often feels like the game really doesn't want you to do that. Otherwise it's pretty ok. The alignment shit is a bit fucked up but that's because of the setting. Absolute morality alignment shouldn't exist outside of planescape.

Kingdom management is dogshit RNGfest. Luckily easy to savescum, but you shouldn't have to. It's poor design. Companions are so-so.

Everything else is great and I'm enjoying it tremendously.

MC
Tristan
Harrim/jubi
Tiefling girl
Jaethal
Amiri
The dream party that is both bearable and not useless

>stop everything, and tell you she's not a virgin
Really wtf? I've just finished act 1 and have been trying to romance her. The bitch has been leading me on? Well I guess it makes sense that she's cut ties with nobility. She makes it sound like she willingly left to be independent but it makes a lot more sense they estranged her for sex outside of wedlock.

It is tho. BG2 is more enjoyable in every way. It plays better and doesn't have dialogues that read like they were written by a retarded emo.

>you just KNOW someone on the dev team got cucked at some point and projected it into the game as reg/oct

Actually disagree. Reg had a whole line about being okay with Octavia sleeping around, but it's pretty clear that's just bullshit, he accepts it because he doesn't want to lose Octavia and it's the only way he can stay with her. It's a little bit pathetic and it's meant to be. He gets a MUCH better ending if you break them up than if you leave them together.

Octavia gets it even worse, her entire "romance" is her being a selfish brat and putting you through completely unfair tests. Her whole character is about how broken she was from slavery and how she can't bear to not be free anymore, but by the time I got to the end of it I realised I had no interest in being in a romance with someone like her and called it off. She's fucked up, understandably fucked up, but fucked up. And I realised I didn't want to deal with her shit.

Ah there's nothing major, just like I said random NPCs will talk about their same sex partner (the Syche tree quest for example), and I guess Irovetti being a bisexual sleazebag.

There's also some kind'a reaching things like Amiri's entire backstory being "stronk female oppressed by evil males" (but isn't that her canon backstory, they can't do much about that), or how Tristian and Valerie are arguably inversions of the standard Female White Mage and Male Knight duo (but who doens't want a tanky woman in armour?)

etc

i want to like the game but the amount of loading screens is insane. also, the main story is very short but it feels long beacuse the kingdom management.

amiri being strong female character is alright because shes a dumb low int barbarian. its not exactly a women empowering character archetype.

>valerie has less int than Amiri
I mean yeah Valerie's a dumb cunt but for other reasons kek

Nah, that's the thing, it's got absolutely nothing to do with her backstory, her troubles with the order, or anything. It's completely irrelevant and never mentioned again. Maybe they had a point in including it, but it feels like it was there just for the sake of countering any fetish stuff. Still,

>It's made pretty clear from the post-sex dialogue that your romps with Valerie end with her getting mating pressed hard
>There's a distinct impression you're much better than the other guy, and that seems to be the limit of her experience.

So I can forgive it, she's still great. And as I said, there's always Kalikke if you really wanna get your purity-kink on. Her romance actually starts after she catches you in bed with her twin sister.

I found Jubilost basically irreplacable simply because fucking NO-ONE ELSE learns Stoneskin-Communal and Protection From Arrows-Communal. Plus he does insane damage with the two bomber rings and the braclet from Oct/Reg's quest. I never managed to use Jaethal though, she seemed like a huge pain since you couldn't heal her with the same heals you used with everyone else and she's like Amiri in that she's not a tank, but she (at least from what I saw) doesn't bring nearly as much damage.

Definitely not the most effective, but my party on the second playthrough was

>MC (Paladin)
>Amiri (Zerker)
>Tristian (Cleric)
>Valerie (Tank)
>Octavia (Arcane Trickster)
>Kalikke/Kanerah (Kineticist)

Since my character was a Paladin of Shelyn and was sleeping with everyone except Amiri and Tristian, it had a fun dynamic.

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Seriously, I read people talking about making Valerie into a Trip build, but holy fuck, that girl is DUMB! (stat wise)

I gave Valerie CHA to make her a better Advisor and gave Amiri INT to turn her intro a trip build instead, worked well enough.

I like tristan so much, I really cant wait to make a female on second playthroug and romance him (no homo)

>Her romance actually starts after she catches you in bed with her twin sister.
Really? That's fuckin dumb. I wanted to romance her but didn't want anything to do with her bitchcunt sister.

>Kingdom management is dogshit RNGfest. Luckily easy to savescum, but you shouldn't have to. It's poor design.

Half agreed. I loved the idea of it, but it feels like it should'a been more than it is. It really doesn't affect anything except

>You get a better ending if you have all your stats at rank 10 and region upgrades in every region
>You have to have enough points to have a buffer if anything goes wrong

It ties in perfectly with the story, and it's a strong RP mechanic, but it's a garbage gameplay mechanic. I actually, honestly, think that managing the Planar Sphere, the Stronghold, or the Bard College was better. Planar Sphere especially.

On my second playthrough I just put it on Easy and focused only on claiming territory, researching curses and ranking up stats. I wound up with advisors waaaaay above any needed DC and almost never needed to savescum at all.

Well, you can completely fuck over her sister if you want. But Kanerah is actually kind'a tsundere, she acts like a bitch and talks about being evil/cruel, but she's nowhere near as bad as she pretends. She warned Kalikke about the raid coming for the Sweet Teeth after all, despite the fact that telling her could (and did) destroy everything she'd worked for.

I don't want to fuck over her sister. I just don't want to fuck her.

>purity-kink
Since when is purity a fetish/kink? My characters a nobel now, there's no way he'd settle for used goods.

Sucks to be you, just shove a gag into her mouth and pretend she's the nice one. You don't get to bang Kalikke until the VERY END. So get ready for that. They were clearly designed to be approachable for anyone at practically any point through the game, which means if you use them on a new character you'll spend most of the game wondering when the fuck the next part of their quest will pop up. It's the VERY END.

Considering my MC is already invulnerable rager with heavy armor that acts at pseudo tank I might change up amiri for jubi and keep harrim but harrim already has alchemist levels and I dont want two full clerics nor alchemists. What to do bros?

Looks like you're banging a Tiefling.

It's possible to read Nyrissa as a virgin too, given how it's clear she only ever teased or toyed with her other prey, and she mentions no-one's ever touched her like you have. But it's not really stated and it'd be a fairly dubious claim given how many thousands of years old she is.

The very end as in the 'end of her quest line', or as in 'the house at the end of time'?

Why'd you give Harrim Alchemist levels? Giving up a level in Cleric/Wizard always seems very dubious value to me, but I have heard of a lott'a really crazy jank builds that splash for Alchemy or such.

>Jesus, I've lived long enough where it is now the contrarian opinion to think BG2 is better than PS:T.

The opinion has always been to put them on the same level with BG being superior for gameplay and PS:T being superior for story, so it comes down to personal preference.

I dunno if people still post it, but that's how the old Yea Forums recommendation chart used to look, with PS:T, BG2 and the original Dues Ex all equal at the very top.

Both.

Man, I liked a lot of thing in Pathfinder, but I also hated a lot. The Kingdom management felt more like playing a gacha game than a CRPG with its endless events popping up and hard gated building resource, it felt like you were supposed to be buying the resources with real money, except you couldn't even do that.
The pacing was jank too. Half the time there's nothing to do, then an event pops and you have to do it RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

That's what's great about this game, my party is Harrim, Reg, Nok Nok, Octavia, Linzi and myself (sorc)

I get the right amount of different viewpoints and a nicely balanced team. I'm in chapter 4 and loving the adventuring but the kingdom management is starting to get on my nerves.

BTW Nok Nok is completely overpowered, I feel bad even using him sometimes fuck me does he shred

i want to love this game but the loading is killing it for me did they improved since release?

>Nok Nok is completely overpowered
Except when you can't sneak attack. Or when someone sneezes in his general direction.

you become like a king or lord or something in this game, right user?
see, my problem with western rpgs like this where your character is pretty much a blank slate and you define them by their actions is that they don't really give you much room to act out and play an evil character at all.
most of the time you end up chaotic, neutral, or lawful good.

how is this game in that regard? can you play an evil bastard?

Spoilers: Here's how the Kalikke romance works, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.

First part is anytime after they've joined. Fuck her sister until Kalikke catches you, then tell her you'd like to have her lying atop you instead. This is random, so get to banging.

Next part is anytime after you've finished with the Varnhold plot Send the Sweet Teeth on all their missions, then you'll get one set in Dunswald, send them on that one. You'll get a visit from a Demon with a plan. You HAVE to save the Sweet Teeth for Kalikke, if you use Kanerah as bait it'll break the Kanerah romance, but I believe you can still romance Kalikke, not sure, I haven't done that. Make sure all Sweet Teeth live

Next is right after that. Rest with Kalikke in your party, tell her you like her.

Next part is... The House At The Edge of Time. I'm serious. Nothing more happens THE ENTIRE GAME. It's clear they expect most people to put them into a mid-way through game, since you can do their entire plotline in the preptime till Nyrissa. If you've got Kalikke romance going it'll be made clear she's interested, but reserved. If you're romancing them both then only Kanerah will speak up here. Careful though, if you're also on track to romance Nyrissa they'll dump you here since they can't trust you. Although you can just edit your file to turn the Nyrissa flag off and then turn it back on after the conversation and get both.

Finale is, in the finale. Save them, and when Kalikke confesses to you, accept her. Note: If you wanna marry her, make sure you choose that option, she stays only as a consort if you don't take the marriage dialogue.

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He's got the highest Ac in my party atm with bracers +5, a ton of dex and a robe that has +2 dodge on it

>but the kingdom management is starting to get on my nerves.

If you're not enjoying it, seriously, just put it on easy. Don't put it on Automatic though.

Kingdom Management gets a LOT better when you get the upgrade that makes rank ups only take 7 days though, holy shit, it's SO MUCH BETTER.

Yeah, it's much, much better than at release.

Glad you were able to play in a finishable state OP

thanks i will give it another try

This RPG is the most overlooked game of its genre in 2018. It destroys DOS 2 and PoE on the writing and gameplay levels. It got overshadowed by too many bugs. It still doenst work when alt tabbing. But the music, combats, class building and lore are all top tier.

Did you respec his stats? Who are your other party members? Nok nok aint got shit on valerie's AC if you built her tanky.

Of course when the wild hunt shows up that gets thrown out the window but whatever

Not him, but I'm thinking of doing a fresh playthrough when I get the season pass, what's wrong with Automatic kingdom management? I pretty much did everything in that department the first time around and wanted to just be able to ignore it.

You absolutely can build a kingdom of tyranny. Just fucking over everyone for the sake of power.

>how is this game in that regard? can you play an evil bastard?

I haven't done an Evil playthrough so take this with a grain of salt, but my thoughts on going through is that I've been surprised at how robust the evil options seem to be. Using say BG2 as a benchmark, you're clearly meant to be Good in BG2 and most of your characters skew on the good scale (even ones who's alignment don't reflect that). In Kingmaker Good characters feel like the minority, there's evil, neutral and good, it's fairly balanced.

Which then reflects on your Kingdom, if you recruit and train Evil advisors they'll take Evil outcomes to the tasks they look after, and you can add onto that by choosing evil options for your Kingdom direction decisions. If you go full Evil then you can be the ruler of a bandit kingdom, or you can be a necromatic cult, or you can be a draconian overlord, or anything in between.

If you wanna play Chaotic Retarded, there's an option to attack pretty much every single NPC. I'm serious, almost every conversation tree has "[Attack] I think you're a spy!" or [Attack] I'm sick of you!" or similar. I doubt anyone really takes those, but they're there.

You also have different options for how you help your companions through their quests. You can show Valerie that she was wrong about the Paladins of Shelyn or get her to dig her heels in and reject them completely, turning her into a Hellknight. You can get Harrim to become open to life and discovery, or to go crazy and become an insane preacher. etc, etc.

I think the game is largely still expecting you to be good, in that most quests are good. It's either help someone for EXP/Loot, or don't and just don't do the quest. But there's still usually evil/manipulative options.

So, without having played Evil myself, I'll say I believe it's fairly robust. I know my friend is looking forward to playing Evil and Killing Tristian, recruiting the Trolls to his side, and fucking Jaethal

thanks mates, downloading it now and going to give it a shot.

thank you so much for typing all this out and giving me plenty to read and consider while i wait. much appreciated.

Fuck that hellknight quest line.

>GUARDS, ARREST THIS CUNT
>she just walks away
>happens literally 2 times

I don't use Val, she annoys me. Don't really have a tank, I send my pet leopard and Harrim in first. I use alot of control, summon and enchantment spells instead of a tank

As an addendum, I actually found it impossible to play LG. I played a Paladin (forced LG) on my second playthrough and even with my best intentions I kept drifting towards Neutral. So, so many of the LG options are "LG: I'm gonna wipe you all out!". It's definitely NOT Lawful Nice, and sometimes it feels insanely short sighted, like you're killing an entire tree of Kobolds and Mites just because of what they are.

Luckily for 3grand you can buy a scroll of atonement which effectively removes the alignment system and then you can just ignore it for the rest of the game and choose whatever options your character prefers in any given situation without worrying about the alignment of that option. Also: There's some very cool choices that require specific alignments too. Being Lawful lets you tell Kesten to stop being a retard, being Neutral lets you broker peace between two factions, etc.

Agreed, although I can alt-tab fine with mine.

>what's wrong with Automatic kingdom management?

It's probably fine 99% of the time, but there's a few arguably key things it won't research because they're low priority, like scouting Armag's tomb.

If you wanna go True Route I don't think you can scout it anyway, you need to find it faster than that (talk to the Fisherman and then savescum your perception roll until you find it), but even so. Just throw it on easy imo.

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She annoys me too but all the other companions can't really be made to tank. Even Harrim is rather shit with his 8 dex but at least he got some good buffs.

So I made my main character a sacred fist(1)/knife master and nothing can hit me on normal. Hits as hard as Nok Nok too.

>even with my best intentions I kept drifting towards Neutral
I had this too. It happens at some part of the game, around act 2/3 because there's a lack of lawful good options there. I was literally flip flopping every conversation between lawful good and lawful neutral. Once I got a bit further in the story I was able to stay lawful good though.

Yeah, there's a few that do that, it's a bit dumb. But you can end it in a VERY satisfying way, The Saemon Harvarian Expy clearly thinks he can make setting you up better by just paying you off and giving some platitudes, despite making it clear that you'll never support a kingdom of demon worshippers setting up on your borders. So you go along, meet both of them, kill her (finally) and then tell him "Oh no motherfucker, you're dying now." And kill him as he screams in shock.

Similarly one of my fondest memories a little later on is Finally getting your guards to throw Annamede in jail and execute her. The way she screams in shock as if she's surprised that someone she fucked over time and again is taking revenge on her... Ahhh, bliss.

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lawful good and neutral good*

Forgot to mention, then Linzi writes about how "It's bad to mess with the Hellknights, and it's bad to mess with Pirates, but most of all, it's bad to mess with the Baron."

Yeh if I play thru again I'll make some kind of rogue char. I don't see why a tank is even necessary, I got a pet on my main and if I didn't I'd use the ranger in my party and have his dog up front. My stinking clouds and cloud kills mean I want everyone shooting ranged anyway. Even gave Harrim a javelin for when its stinkcloud time. And reg has some dagger I found which makes him immune to nauseated and he goes in the cloud and gets to stabbin

>tfw half-orc str monk
Its very effective but fuck me is that Orc Ferocity racial terrible. Instead of ”maybe hit unconcious and survive” to ”just reload”

have they fixed the switch version also? this game seems quite interesting, given I liked the first pillar of eternity and icewind dale

I didn't kill the demon worshipper. I don't really see him as evil, and isn't there some entire city of demon worshippers that are prospering? I don't know, it will probably bite me in the ass in the ending slides but oh well.

I considered axing Anamede but I think it will lead to the downfal of the academy in the end slide.

I'm at the house at the end of time now. Guess I'll see how hard I fucked up soon enough.

>set dog animal companion to auto-charge
>watch it torpedo itself into enemies at the start of combat
Animal companions are pretty fucking based in this game.

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You can just cast communal delay poison and never worry about stinking cloud. It's cheesy though.

Also nice quints.

>Choose Evil options at the start of the game
>Linzi DOESN'T join you
>Still writes her book as if she did

What a fucking liar!

Never even thought of mass delay poisen, great idea. But yeah super cheese, hard to bring myself to be such a shit cunt when I'm trying to at least have some role play.

So if you've beaten the game, can you tell me when I get to fight what I assume is a lich in the lonely barrow?

wait it hasn't been released FUCK

Learning that Death Ward and Delay Poison Communal trivialise some of the encounters makes the game far, far less frustrating.

>I don't really see him as evil, and isn't there some entire city of demon worshippers that are prospering?

Maybe, but I saw it as cutting out a an evil before it can begin. We're told explicitly by demons that the souls they corrupt/take burn in hell, so he's creating a whole city where people will grow up giving their souls to this demon? Maybe the city can function, but he's dooming every man woman and child that lives there.

Plus it's literally right on your fucking borders. You're gonna get legions of Iomedae making crusades through your lands to get there, definitely not worth it.

>I considered axing Anamede but I think it will lead to the downfal of the academy in the end slide.

Best option to the academy is to choose neither advisor actually, choose one yourself. It's a much, much better ending than either Anamede or Gitara get.

WAIT IT DOESN'T EXIST fuck

When you've beaten almost every monster on this list: pathfinderkingmaker.gamepedia.com/Magical_Prison

I think there's a buffer of like 3? You can do it anytime after Pitax. Pretty easy fight, but some amazing loot from it.

You can teleport past the barrier with dimension door (not intended of course).If you want to fight it when the game wants you to, that will be when all areas of the game have opened up, which I believe is when you get access to Pitax. You need to kill some big monsters in order to unlock his barrier.

>And you can have a threesome with two Tieflings.

>Play as an Aasimar Paladin of Sarenrae
>Romance both the Tieflings
>Marry them both and make them your Queens

MAXIMUM PURIFICATION!

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That lich is weak as shit by the way. If you have buffs active and your melee party charges him there's a good chance he'll die in two seconds before he can even get his buffs off.

Hmmm, might just have to dimension door thru and grab the sweet loots

Use true sight right before you enter if you're underleveled. He still has good AC.

You can also try to lucky baleful polymorph him

Pitax was a pity last I played, last year; It was more broken than the Coliseum, I mean, codebase.

i wish for modding tools but the fact that the game is made in unity means that the chances for one are 0%

I'm level 11, I believe! Nok Nok gonna land 4 sneak attacks in a row

Should have been turn based.

not really i love the way it is

I like the rtwp but some classes would work way better as turn based, especially the magus

>mystic theurge doesn't have spell synthesis
Other than that, the game is a 10