It's official, Evo is a Smash tournament

Melee isn't smash.

Hey look, another fighting game/EVO thread that immediately devolves into a dick waving contest for
>LOOOOL MELEE JOKE XD
jesus christ you're as bad as actual meleefags, you gigantic faggots deserve each other

>smash ultimate
Yeah, checks out
Yo can we get some DOA6 titties like Japan or will Mr. Wizard pussy out again because MUH CORE VALYOUUSSS

>UNIST 5th
>tekken 7 2nd
pretty gud

>mk11 6th
lol.

You forgot to mention seethe and cope.

You can literally have matches in the streets, anywhere, on any Switch. DBZ and MK11 could be the same but those will most likely be on PS4
It's a wild time right now
Rip Guilty Gear tho

Smash and SF have always carried the fuck out of EVO.

It's time to let go of the past user, we've moved on from melee..

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About fucking time there is something new besides Smelly players.

Boy I been waiting for a new Sam Sho lets go, SNK has hopefully learned from KoF14

melee lives in the melee haters mind rent free
its all they can think about

SFV got over 5,000 entrants it's first year. Meanwhile ultimate only got a little over 2,000 at Genesis 6.

While EVO will get more ultimate entrants then genesis 6 did. I just can't see it getting the 250% jump it'd need to break the record.

>Large amounts of children enter for the children's game
wow who saw that one coming

It's our tournament now, FGCucks. At least you have other majors to fall back oOH WAIT

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Did sonicfox kill DBFZ?

>UNIST that high
nice

>MINUTES since FGCucks cried about smash bros: 0

God I hate smashfags.

That’s going to be one smelly tournament.

seething and copepilled

whats all about it??
i cant understand

you know full well they haven't. They've repeated every mistake they made with kof14 so far.

Hey nice, at least Bloodborne made it in for once

The FGC pretty much exists because Street Fighter pays venue fees.

Here are the entrants from each year

Prediction
>SmashU gets 3,000+
>Tekken keeps growing
>SFV drops below SF4 numbers, gives away a free tshirt again
>Either SC, SS or UNIst does better than MK which surprises people
>Everyone a bit to uncertain about DB's future so big drop
>BBtag is just happy to be there

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I love Tekken! I hope /our/ based Paki comes back for this one.
Also really cool that UNIST is in; French Bread is the shit.

How is sfv below tekken?
Please dont make me stay up all night to watch the T7 top 8...

>Smash
>carried the fuck out of EVO
>wasnt even at EVO for like 7 years straight
Ok 15er

Are there EVO Japan numbers?I have no clue what Soul Calibur numbers look like. I think Unist will get like 500 people which is already way bigger than their largest tournament. BB Tag will stay big. MK11 will actually be huge, but will crash and burn super fast afterwords. May be the EVO that has the most 1000+ entrants.

Sorry Streeties but Evo is now Smash territory, time for you to go the way of MvC

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Dropping interest from S4 being so little, lack of announcements, drama around fm put more people off and being a bad game. It will likely pick up after Final Round where they will release something. If it is just Decapre or Shin Dan it might not recover. SFV has seen a drop every year so it will most likely happen again.

>mfw the FGC seethe when all the dejected Melee players begrudgingly just enter based Ultimate and make it the biggest game at EVO

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T7 is just more interesting and a better fighting game than SFV; I think it's really as simple as that.

MK11 looks pretty good mechanically, which is all the playerbase really cares about. Tekken 7’s growth is the real star here.

>game with even less entrants samurai showdown is one of the sunday games
holy kek

Melee tourneyfags have been posting shit here since fucking 2007.

Trust me we will keep the melee jokes going.

Blazblue is literally bought. Anyone who says otherwise is lying through their teeth. It's a soulless community with no one wanting to compete besides who can hate the west and jerk off Japan more.

>Meleefags
>Playing anything other than Melee
Oh that's just rich.

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>I'm surprised a new mortal kombat game is popular
you stupid or something

I honestly wonder if his antics was what pushed the toei guys to start cancelling fighterz tournaments

There was a short time after last evo where simply googling 'Dragon Ball Z' would get him and his fursuit near the top of the results page. Toei probably despised that.

Leffen switched over. A bunch of others did, too, I think

I don't really look at MK's numbers, I just know that NRS fighting games usually don't make big numbers, moreso for viewership, which is admitedly kind of unrelated

Melee isn't a smash game

I wouldn't judge anything off these numbers cause EVO Japan was a mess even before it started

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I think there are more Melee players that also play Ultimate, even just a bit, than ones that don't. Off the top of my head, I can think:
>Westballz
>Axe
>aMSa ( Moreso because he can't, he's banned from competing for the game's 1st year for having aided in its actual development )
And a bunch of other lesser players

>dude memorize strings and framedata the game
>and learn glitch movement like korean backdash with blocking you can mash as long as you don't push a punch or kick button for braindead automatic footsies and spacing

I don't play BlazBlue so don't bother with the seething BlazCuck shit. Day one entrance numbers that are going to fluctuate in some way. I see Smash and Tekken staying strong, but games like DBFZ are probably going to have better growth over time. Also Sunday morning is the dead zone time slot. It's were they sent MvC3 out to die. Viewership ramps up as the day goes on, but it normally starts off lower than the prime time Saturday games.

walk back speed rankings:
>6. Decapre
>5. Chun-li
>4. Cammy
>3. Akuma
>2. Yang
>1. r/Kappa

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No Doubt. Arc System has put alot on their D-list crossover game, and they've already hinted at an announcement at EVO.

I'm sure Wiz got a nice fat paycheck to make sure that announcement happens on Prime time Sunday with no other streams to steal views from.

>all this whining about Melee
>no one else mad about no Guilty Gear
I love Melee but I'll trade any Smash spot for GG any day.

They nerfed a lot of tech in the game right around the cell nerfs time

Would have taken it over BBTag

Ultimate was going to have the most entrants no matter what. If melee was in this year they would also be in the upper half. Like 4th or 5th depending on how bad of a drop DBFZ gets.

R/kappa is the worst thing to happen to fighting games.

OUR TOURNAMENT NOW BOYS
WHO YOU MAINING???

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I guess people realize theres not that much point in watching street fighter when street fighter is already in smash

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Just because there's a lot to know and execute doesn't mean you can't enjoy it at a casual level user.
There's plenty of scrubs that are just as bad as (you) and I.

I'm just glad UNIST finally got in EVO

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Yeah that does look whack. I think ARMS was a free to enter event, but there is no way it would beat a Soul Calibur if the tournament was in Tokyo. Winter FGC is super dead becaus all of the tours are on break so I can't find any 200+ man events at the moment.

There's not necessarily a lot to learn. Tekken at it's core fundamentals is just throwing out jabs and until you can get a launcher into a combo. All the learning you do is memorizing the other characters animations and what moves you can punish. It's not like SF or any 2D fighting game which get into higher level mindgames

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>Tekken at it's core fundamentals is just throwing out jabs and until you can get a launcher into a combo
Oh hey it is that guy who was really butt hurt about Tekken a while ago. Just point and laugh at him. Don't waste your time with this one

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So you can get raped by Japs and look like a joke of a competitive scene?

People want to join in to get in the "hype screencap" for trashing on melee. They don't actually care about getting good at any fighting game. To a non anime player they'll just see BBTag as the same thing.

>no mind games
I don't think you give Tekken enough credit. I saw plenty of mind games at the last Evo and it was also commentated on.
Tekken has been and always will be a more complex game than any 2D fighter simply because of the options that are available to you. Seriously. The movelists are insane and give you many different tools to fuck with your opponent.

perfect example of someone getting utterly mindfucked

>implying crapcom isn't going to offer free tshirts again

>t. I never played the game

SFV will get over 2k entrants, but Smash is probably going to hit at least over 3k. I would honestly bet SmUsh gets 5k entrants while everything besides SF get 1.~k and below.

Pathetic. Sad!

I'm sure there's one or two geniuses out there who can take everyone by surprise.

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I'd say it will be like the year SFV came out.
Smush is still riding the hype wave and will have a massive drop in the next year.

>DBF second from last

Only reason that game's there is because of the furry.

I wonder if more will do it this time. After KoF13 did it and had a load of no shows I thought they banned knowing about freebies. Then SFV pulled it out of no where. Did feel a bit dirty.

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>I just know that NRS fighting games usually don't make big numbers
where did you get this shit

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DBFZ is boring as shit and everyone was bored during the end of WT. I have no idea if the GC change helped because I have zero will to play it. I still think more people will sign up later. I doubt it won't be the top 4.

He's right Only good year was 2015. Anime numbers the rest of the time

Except every character in Tekken is the same. You have you fast 10 frame pokes you throw out, your frametrap setups, and the one or two combos you learn.

There's no zoning characters, grapple (don't kid yourself here), knockdown reliant characters, or any real archetypes except more frametrap heavy characters like Josie or the EWGF Mishimias

>BB dead last
>still gets in over GG and Sunday slot over SCVI
Really tired of this shit game

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smash is a fucking party game that you play with a normal ass controller, so of course it's more accessible for all the dumb Nintendo kids to play rather than having to learn a real fighting game.

They sell a lot of copies of the games but the competitive scenes and turnout numbers are usually pretty small

Lots of melee players play ultimate. Turns out when you make a game that doesnt have cancer mechanics like brawl/4 people will play it

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A real fighter like BabyTag 2-button battle?

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They have very poor player retention but get good numbers around release times and from regions that aren't really that present in the rest of the FGC.

Xiaoyu, Yoshimitsu, Heihachi, Panda, King, Steve, Akuma, Eliza, and Eddy play nothing alike. Not sure why you'd blatantly lie about that.

>turnout numbers are usually pretty small
show me how the numbers are small

Hbox was the only melee legend still going 100% into melee. Most everyone else either moved to competitive ultimate, moved into.streaming, or retired from smash altogether.

>BBTag has less players than UNIST and a lieral who early access reboot
why even bother

remember to bring deodorant to evo this year to spray smelly smashfags

>tfw the best American player in UNIST is playing with Yea Forums in their threads
>RIGHT NOW

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>smash is a fucking party game that you play with a normal ass controller,
Not only can you play any fighting game with a normal controler, there are arcade sticks for smash bros. This post reeks of severe ignorance.

youtube.com/watch?v=cMz23Md1GhU

>fighting games will never be this intelligent again

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> but get good numbers around release
Some examples would be good. Plus both MKX and MK11 release in April which gives them a similar wait till EVO. So I expect similar numbers

>and from regions that aren't really that present in the rest of the FGC.
NRS community is mostly the US.

Umm excuse me but I'm allergic to deodorants. Please keep them away during the event.

That implies they ever were.

So where are the faggots that were saying Soul Calibur VI is a dead game?

>elena
>intelligent

LMAO

>Redblade
>best
lol

I mean they aren't completely wrong. It is small scale but the series has always been like that competitively.

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Squish literally went out and said Red is the best in the states

SF has always been really dumb, so I'm glad Tekken has finally taken its deserved top spot (for actual fightans)

You ready for real footsies?

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>UNIST beating DBZ

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>entrants charts
>barely 24 hours after games are announced
What is the point? And why are retards in here arguing about it?

SCVI is dead online because they made ranked a fucking joke with custom proportions and shit

why do people want to downplay mortal kombat so hard

feelsgoodman

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Okay but where can i find info on the side tournaments and competitive Catherine?

that's not footsies at all

>they both hate it
is this fighting games

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NOOOO... NOOOO... WHERE"S MY NEUTRAL GAME BRO?
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE TURNS SPAMMING HADOUKEN

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Its the entry in the series with the most tournament presence even more so than V. Its sustained its numbers post-hype season especially in the East coast and in Europe while also beating anime entrants in Evo Japan. It gets a lot of flak just because its the other 3D fighter alongside Tekken.

It doesn't really matter in higher ranks though. Apart from the occasional Inferno user which I think already got patched out, its in a good spot in terms of balance and support.

Oh sorry let me post some real toesies

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It's the soulless game that is Babytag. Remember all the shills that flooded Yea Forums and said it was fun.

Mr. (((Wizard))) wants everyone to forget about core values and start fighting each other again

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Because it is?

that's actually more footsies, but it's pretty bad because everyone moves so slow walking back and the hitboxes are so weird a minute change can kill an AA
youtube.com/watch?v=_Y7193K6wcw

smash.gg/tournament/combo-breaker/events/injustice-2/overview

Second biggest event at Combo Breaker 2017. They have more clout in the UK, Russia, parts of the middle east, and some countries in south america. I don't like NRS games so I'm not going to go out my way to defend them too hard, but it seems ignorant to trash them for entrance numbers when they are far from the worst in the FGC. Especially when Unist is getting praise for putting in work when their largest tournament ever was like 200 people.

Cause they don't turn up and drop the game after a year. Then a new NRS game comes out and this time it'll be the one for sure.

>Because it is?
People avoid playing it and pros look like they are suffering

>(((PATREON)))
Dumb cuck

>BBTAG
>Shills
It was shitposted from day 0 because of shitty RWBY secondaries. It continued to live under the shadow of DBFZ while getting roasted by cucks like Jim Sterling. The game has literally 0 defenders except for the people who actually played the game.

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Anime games need to be judged on a scale. An anime game only has to do half of what a western game does because it's only fair. It's hard being a weeb and they're an oppressed people by the mean Capchads.

>watch leffen on stream
>perfectly fine until he starts losing to some random faggot online in ultimate
>OH WOW THESE RANDOM DOWN B'S
>WOW ONLINE IS FUCKING BULLSHIT
>LOOK AT THIS GARBAGE
>blahblahetc
I want melee players to do good in ultimate but he comes across as a total fucking faggot
I really wish plup could step his game up goddamnit, at least he is not a fucking whiny bitch

what

You mean from the webm? Hide got read like an open book, and from a continuous chain of bad decisions he amde in the top 8, his opponent got in his head to do 4 command grabs in a row. His opponent didnt like how he won with just that, and Hide was obviously destroyed. Its not an uncommon feeling when playing any tag fighters. You should see what happens in UMVC3

leffen is a total fucking faggot but thats what makes him likeable

Did you actually watch the video? You just posted a lot of close up pressure. I'd hardly call Guile dashing in to press buttons constantly footsies. And I certainly wouldn't say it about that Blanka or cammy

>Playing Ultimate online on the Switch where you have to buy an Ethernet adapter
I rather play Tekken 7 on PS4 when it first came out.

I hate that KI did terrible all 3 years. Did people just not give a fuck or something? Is the game too complex?

Plup's character crisis has been going around some of the more unorthodox fighters, it's to be expected for him to not be able to do as good, especially against Smash 4 vets that have been learning a mostly close string of matchups

underrated post

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Melee has to be a rough relationship for tournament organizers. Like you want to allow it because people like it, but at one point you get so sick of it that you just want to move on.

this is what happens when you release your fighting game on the microsoft store and xbox one

On a console with a terrible install base and is actually very obtuse to get in to if you are new to fighting games. Killer Instinct is a competitive fighting game players fighting game, even the brand really on caters to arcade boomers.

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Stuck on xbone at first. But the game doesn't have a big pull outside America, a lot of people don't like combo breakers and the combo system is a bit weird because of that mechanic. I also don't think the designs win many people over.

Wasn't KI an Microsoft exclusive at the time? Also they didn't have it on Steam during those years.
I would say that was the reason but SFV was on PS4/PC and you can see the numbers compared to KI.

You don't understand what footsies are then. SamSho is the whole shtick is that it is nothing but footsies. There are almost no combos, no rushdown pressure, just pure poke/punish game. And there are a lot of execution there too, 1f punishes and the like.

Nobody on Yea Forums knows what footsies are.

>The game has literally 0 defenders except for the people who actually played the game.

I think for TOs, the main issue is moreso just getting all the specifics to play it. There isn't any other game that has Melee's requirements: You need to get these heavy CRTs just for 1 game. Kind of a hassle, especially in the context of EVO where there will be 0 ( zero ) monetary gain outside of viewership: Nintendo with Ultimate may at least get an announcement which will boost EVO's numbers, and all other games support EVO much more than Nintendo, but Melee has nothing on that side.

Did you you nigger? Guile is using his fucking sobat holy fuck

I've never played an animu fighter, but is UNIST a good game to get into them?

theres really no good anime fighter to start with
just play it

SFV always ends up on top anyway

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Isn't it actually impossible for a lot of characters to get in your face and really mix you up? Like nearly everything in that game is minus, so you either make a big read or have to bait and punish.

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i can't wait for this shitheap to die

>locked behind a shitty platform nobody wanted to play on for way too long
>extremely visually busy and perplexing to understand for people who do not play it already
>generally much more interesting to play than to watch
KI is fine but it is not a spectator fighting at all.

Its a good middleground between the slow grounded gameplay of Street Fighter and the fast-paced nature of anime fighting games. Unless you pick Yuzuriha, Vatista or Seth, the game is easy to pick up than say, Blazblue or Guilty Gear.

Apart from last year, and this year, and probably the year after. Go take your manfaced wife back to fgg

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Samsho is the antithesis of footsies because there is no flow to control in matches. There is neutral, but that's it.

I have no doubts that if Melee was put in as the 10th game at EVO it would end up in the top half of the leaderboards.

But it's just a pain in the ass to set up and organize, and your not gonna get any support on Nintendo's end.

>shills
>playing
>not just saying they play

Hmm

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>SF is slow
SF is almost always faster than anime games in both frame data and match pacing.

I wish Nintendo did their own fighting events and cuck evo

Are you implying ArcSys has enough money to payoff a bunch of literally whos to astroturf on Yea Forums?

fuck off anime retard
You're Smash's bitch forever

>SFV gets less entrants
>SFV gets a lower peak views
>ACTUALLY IT IS CUMULATIVE HOURS THAT MATTERS!
Just gonna ignore SFV had more streaming time and a dedicated channel to it? I bet when SmashU beats that as well it will be a new metric

yeah, India and interns aren't expensive and some weebs will do it for free

Not exactly? There's a reason why people get confused or don't know what's going on when they watch mid-high level GG or BB matches while watching something like SFV is easier to understand and keep track off. Having limited mobility for most characters make them a lot easier on the eyes.

So let me get this straight, the game that isn't a fighting game, gets the most entrants at the biggest fighting game tournament of the year? Is this why FGCfags keep SEETHING about Smash? Because they're completely i r r e l e v a n t?

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>5th UNIST
We did it bros

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Also the audio is garbage in ArcSys games and they talk forever after an action
Hitsparks are also thrown in, especially in BB, for no reason other than to cover up the shitty animations.

Or maybe they just played the game and realized it has more variety and options than initially thought of?

SmashU is fine, Smelee players are the problem. They are a common enemy

So good they stopped playing it
steamcharts.com/app/702890

Literally every other anime fighting game on Steam?

>not a fighting game

>Super Smash Bros. January 21, 1999 52.94 million[n 14]
Super Smash Bros is a series of Nintendo fighting games created by Masahiro Sakurai that features characters from several other Nintendo franchises and a few third party franchises and is known for both its unique gameplay style and countless nods towards the company's history. Currently it is the best-selling franchise in the fighting genre.

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Let's be honest, anything that isn't Tekken or SF gets those numbers. Even DBFZ plummeted so hard that if you told me it would end up where it is now back 2017 I would've laughed non-stop.

steamcharts.com/app/678950

I did say DBFZ was going to drop. I don't think ArcSys games are fun and people seem to disagree, but still actively avoid playing them.

How can you like a game you don't want to play. I don't understand how mob rule can be so strong.

The visual clutter brings in the most confusion. Accent Core is much, much easier to follow than both BB and Xrd, let alone abominations like P4A, exactly because it is very clean visually. Another problem with high gear anime fightings and general auditory is that a lot of them have really out there moves that leaves people scratching their heads over. SF and western fightings in general are more grounded in that respect, it is mostly punches and kicks sometimes with weapons. There are some supernatural shit sure, but nothing like absolute insanity of Zappa, Bedman, Eddy and so on

>SCVI that high
But Yea Forums told me it was a dead game

France

Smash/Stench, same thing

The online is shit in ASW games and in most fighting games that don't have GGPO. No offense, but it seems like you're just projecting what you feel. I only play Guilty Gear and UNIST and I understand that not a lot of people feel the same way about those games, but saying like "they don't want to play a game they claim to like" is disingenuous.

>there is no flow to control in matches
But there is, you just can't constantly throw out a safe button but need to find the right ranges. If there was no way to control the flow then the game wouldn't work

>Centralfiction has double the players

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Try loading up a match

More like Europe and Russia in general.
Most of the people who shit on Soul Calibur tried to play it like Tekken and got their shit pushed.

>Russia
I thought that was MK country

steamcharts.com/app/544750

Is SFV finally dropping off? I really want Capcom to stop making fighting games. They gain nothing by making an esports scene where they don't get returns from a meager audience.

TekkenCHADS
steamcharts.com/app/389730

So why is it that high in tournament entrants for the past few majors and in Evo?

I want Capcom to stop trying to take notes from ArcSys and fire Woshige so we can get real SF again.

>dragon ball and bb dead last
what did arcsys do wrong? GG isn't even on the list

>Is SFV finally dropping off
It has been dropping off for ages, but being so big means that there are a lot to drop off. The numbers will be down again this EVO

How fucking dumb you guys can be? These results are very preliminary and not indicative at all on how the actual trends will be.

Happy to see SCVI in 4th, and unist right behind it.

Not remotely surprised to see SSBU in first. I suspect it will end up ahead by a preeetty significant margin.

Also not surprised to see babytag trailing behind a game nobody's even played yet, lmao

The big surprise here is the complete and utter collapse of DBFZ, but this is only 2 days of entrants and I guess things could change a lot.

>you lived long enough to see tekken fall into obscurity then become the most popular fighter

flash with no substance
still fucking 2000 tier netcode when even small indies have GGPO
annoying voice work

real niggas entering for fun

Bound-shit and slower movement killed Tekken. I really hope they aren't retarded enough to bring it back.

UNI is doing so well.

>killed Tekken.
>Selling best it has in ages
>Has the highest views and entrants the series has ever had
It probably has the best longevity as well, I don't remember a Tekken lasting this long

>DBFZ
>Surprise
Anyone who actually played that game during its first few months would know it wasn't going to last. It didn't have the charm and playstyle variety of tag fighters like UMVC3. I mean holy shit even BB crosstag has more variety in terms of what you can do. DBFZ only has Pressure>Lockdown assist>mixup. Tag based fighting games' appeal is the team composition of being able to play what you want. UMVC3 has team big bodies, Moridoom, Zero may cry, Firebrand-Skrull. Even crazy things like instant Turnabout Phoenix Wright. DBFZ has none of those.

Who else will direct and be the battle planner? There's nobody left. Even Itsuno hasn't made a fighting game in years and Rival School isn't the epitome of good fighting games. They also have the modelling problem. Everybody in the industry with money has a good handle on making models with UE4 except Capcom.

ive been out of the loop for this but it sounds spicy, how seething are the smelee fags right now?

Tekken 7 doesn't have bound or the T6 levels of slow.

That's why I dropped it. But if you look at the rest of the list, and EVO's entrants historically... depth doesn't really correlate with entry numbers. If anything it's an inverse correlation.

And it had the the most entrants last year, when EVO was 7+ months after the game launched, which I'd thought would've been plenty of time for people to realize how bad it was.

It is GG country.

Fighting games are dead

melee onlies are on kys watch but most stinkies moved on to U

>DBFZ barely made it
Does anyone actually like taking turns being stuck in 20 second block strings? I'm surprised people are still playing

Itsuno made games like CvS2, he's good, but I would take Haunts from Capcom USA. Capcom USA hasn't made a game since Hyper Fighting and they seem to understand that SF is best when it's fast.

No. There are still a lot of fighting games coming out and FGC is hard to kill. They'll be smaller but they'll persevere like always.

People are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to newer titles. Look at SamSho and MK11. Literally both games are unreleased yet but the hype is real. The first year of a game as mainline Evo title is often times the honeymoon period. The novelty of shouting alongside Cell and doing the Give Your Energy to Goku pose at Evo mainstage top 8 is the novelty. Now that it's been a year, the novelty wore off

>It is GG country.
lol damn stupid joke

play melty

DBZF and BBTAG are failed games. How could you get last place. These games are supposed to Arcsys biggest titles currently and you're getting curbstomped by every single game in the lineup. Tag games were a mistake.

They also seem to have a lack of focus. SFV's style is all over the place and that extends to the gameplay and features. That is partly on the rough development where they have tried to appease people in half arsed ways. Itsuno would probably have some goal in mind, but if he started now that game would be 3 years off at the very least. I doubt SFV has 2 years in it so if they planned to keep going with fighters that game is already in development.

I honestly think we're in a second dark ages of fighting games. Zoomers don't care about them, fighting game channels don't get any views if you aren't Maximilian, and Smash is a fun game but not indicative of the genre at all

its the dbz factor, people will buy dbz shit no matter what
same with smash/nintendo chars. if the pokemon franchise died tomorrow and not a single game or anime was ever made again thered still be people buying pikachu merch 50 years from now

they thought they would swooce right in and fill the vacuum from mvc infinite, and they kind of did for a second with dbfz but people just want marvel

autists have been screeching about tourneyfags since even before that, and they're louder than the actual meleefags.

>Zoomers don't care about them, fighting game channels don't get any views
The only flops we've had are Capcom games, everything else has sold what it should have or better. Bamco even said SC6 was a success for them. Views are better than they have ever been. You can even have an active fighter on PC these days. Only someone braindead who only looks into FGs around EVO would think they are dead.

>melty
who?

>SCVI higher than Muslim Kombat
Oh no no no no hahaha

Marvel at least has unique characters. These dumbed down Arcsys games aren't doing anything good for the competitive play.

The fucking state of BBtag.

Tekken is on the lower end of the character variety scale, but it's not as bad as shit like SFV or DBFZ.

Dumbing the game down is a smart move, it helps people get into the game even if they've never held a controller before.

The problem is all the characters are really similar and the neutral sucks. Everyone got bored and moved on

You will be surprised how well the West does in UNIST. Admittedly there hasn't been many JP players travelling and not much incentive for the top top JP players to go to the US until now.

>he's banned from competing for the game's 1st year for having aided in its actual development
Banned from what, Nintendo's Japanese tournament series? I don't think EVO cares.

Street Fighter VI is going to save the genre like IV did especially with the streak Capcom is on now with MH World, RE2, and DMC V

True. The drop from first to second-last still seems extreme, though.

Not a dark age, because there never was a dark age. Things've changed due to money, hype, and drama becoming a priority. People go where the hype is. This didn't happen in the "Golden Era". If the game was shit, people avoided it. There was no monetary obligation to play.

Agreed. But they should and could be selling even more IMO. No franchise has really made a big leap in quality except MK. Which coincidentally, sells the most.

They'd have to fire and rehire everyone in division 2 for that to happen. Capcom didn't just magically get better in every way, they even still pull bullshit like the ads in SFV or DMC microtransactions.

I wouldn't call it dead.

It's lower than the really popular fightan like SFV, T7, and DBFZ. But it's higher than all the actually niche anime fighters.

Also user, nobody outside babby rank plays with custom proportioned characters. And even if they did, online play is inherently non-serious because of lag, which is always going to be a way bigger issue than custom characters.

Not if Woshige exists and fucks up core SF fundamentals again. ArcSys style low pushback, air to airs that result in zero space or frame variance between fighters, "crushing moves" that ignore hitbox consistency, and moves trying to be all-purpose aren't part of what makes SF special. I would even argue hitpriority (SF3) and the lack of close normals (Alpha) really harm what makes SF's meta so deep and engaging. The only people I see arguing for no close normals are anime players that were never going to play SF in the first place.

Capcom could barely fund SFV, which failed miserably to meet their expectations. Capcom doesn't give a fuck about SFVI. Why should they? Besides, they notoriously take yeeeeeeears between sequels. There'll probably be an Ultra SFV first just to milk all the saggy titty fanboy fucks like you.

>But they should and could be selling even more IMO. No franchise has really made a big leap in quality except MK.
That's probably mostly down to budget, but I see that changing. The next Tekken and SoulCal will most likely get budget increases, and ArcSys is getting more money than they ever had before. Really the problems this gen are more knock on from last, a lack of confidence in the genre while trying to stuff it in ill fitting esports robes. Despite that I think many devs have proved they can do a lot with limited resources.

I see this age as a time of change. The hierarchy is shifting and a happy medium between casuals, esports and the FGC is forming. Really it needs a game to solidify that. And with the rate they are coming out something will eventually take that spot.

the only thing to learn from kof14 is "gamers are graphic whores, if your game looks ugly no one will play it"

The local is taking a hit nationwide. The locals list is actually shrinking on the googledocs list and tons of the old locals on SRK (now facebook) are fucking gone. Even NYC locals are dead as fuck.
nextlevel.challonge.com/tournaments

>I would even argue hitpriority (SF3)
I thought SFV had that, but crush counters fuck it all up and become overly rewarding. CCs really were the worst idea

Was taking 10-20 seconds for me on PC an hour ago.

It's the same in Norcal. Barely anybody shows up for tournaments anymore.

core values win again

Yeah SFV has hitpriority and no close normals. Woshige likes everything that was pretty disliked and controversial in older games. Most people hated alpha counters in the Alpha games because you got punished for doing pressure.

I for one am ready for the jp-onry top 8

Because it is easier than ever to get games in your home. Look at UNIst, the growth in that game is in large party down to regular lobbies like we do here. There is a reason we cll the discord games and not local games. If everything else is growing, but the locals are drying up that doesn't mean the entire FGC and genre is dying.

There really needs to be an exciting high budget fighting game that doesn't compromise on depth to recapture the mainstream audience

SCVI's version of crush counters work really well

because they're not actually crush counters

>just play the games that require exact frame precision and thrive on audiences alone with lag
>believe me that fighting games aren't dead even though the arcade and local scene drying up wasn't the exact thing that happened before SFIV revived it

And ultimate lives in the melee players mind rent free

>The only people I see arguing for no close normals are anime players
The fuck am i reading? Close normals are plastered all over anime fighters. GG have tons of them alone. Woshige being dumb milia player made the game for dumb milia players, as in RUSHMIXUPREPEAT

>UNIST players would rather sit in their cum cave and play on ass-tier netcode than play on a lagless experience outside
>never had a tourney with more than 200 people
>gay furry won the largest prize for UNIEL
>some black Yea Forums user has won a "major" despite only playing with retarded anime nazis online
>Somehow these people are ready for international competition and will definitely not get anal raped by any foreigner that even breathes

I know GG has some close normals, but SF has them for every normal and anime players hate them and are very active in their hate for cl.normals.

Where's injustice 2?

Sonicfox sniped the scene back in FF2015 when the community was still small and developing, much like his MO for other games until the community gets better and he quits.Now that the community is indeed better he doesn't want to go back so he can keep his one and done.

Also seems to me you don't follow the scene at all. Do you even know Squish?

>Because it is easier than ever to get games in your home.
Partly that, partly people in general becoming more anti-social, consoles surpassing arcades graphically, and places like beach town arcades not even having any fighting games anymore for some weird reason.

As soon as Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast and Tekken Tag on the PS2 surpassed the arcade versions, arcades started dying. They are nowhere near the visual masterpieces they used to be. Shit had to be gimped and toned down to be ported to consoles before that.

Locals kept going out of convience, tradition and sociability. Only reason EVO grew to be the biggest is the convience of location. If it was in India or the UK, no one would fly over lol.

Online is obviousl bigger than ever out of convience as well, but that's not the "true FGC". Never was, never will be. It's not the same and its too susceptible to cheats. The "fgc" is also bigger than fucking EVO and streams.

>Now that the community is indeed better he doesn't want to go back so he can keep his one and done.
shouldn't have made physical threats against him for simply winning like autists

I'm implying they do it for free

Sauce on that?

Heiho lost in UNIST at EVO last year to an American.

>Tekken 7 actually became No 1 best seller in the UK
God bless

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I don't understand. Tekken has always sold well. When has it ever been obscure?

Heiho barely plays UNIST. This is like Daigo losing in Marvel when he played it for like 2 months.

Also have to factor in age. If you are older then having to drive out to play a game you have at home after a days work seems a bit of a waste. But having a weekend trip for a tournament is fine. If they are young then playing online is the norm, and they may not have a way to get there if it is far enough away.

It isn't like when you could only play the game or only play with people if you went out.

New to Sonicfox? He only plays games with underdeveloped communities and non-legacy games with strong emphasis on pressure and vortex plays. Once the community for that game gets better he fucks off and never comes back, See: Soul Calibur VI.

Why is he still playing DBFZ? He always follows the money. He's going to drop DBFZ once MK11 starts handing out cash.

T6 and TT2 saw big dips from previous entries. T7 has passed T6 already and could possibly end up one of the better selling entries. It is not T3 or 5 though
vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Tekken

DBFZ is a new fighting game (non-legacy) with the kind of playstyle that caters to him, which is pressure-oriented setplay. He played BBTAG but he quit when he realized that the defensive mechanics for that game is strong enough to not allow dumb 50/50s, although that game had other problems like abusing iframes. Same reason why he doesn't pick up GG despite being a setplay oriented fighter, because its a game with strong legacy competition and he said it himself that its not worth it trying to catch up to that level of practice.

I just mean that Tekken has always been the best selling fighting game franchise behind Smash with Tekken 3 being the highest selling fighting game of all time. I think it's kind of ingenuous to frame Tekken as some kind of underdog although Street Fighter has always been more relevant in the competitive scene

Genesis 6's Ultimate entrants are double that of Smash 4's biggest Genesis showing. While Genesis 3 was a whole year into Smash 4's lifespan, Smash 4's biggest tournament was that very same year at EVO 2016, which more than doubled Genesis 3's entrant numbers.

Ultimate at EVO is going to be insanely huge. It's most likely going to be run competently now that they don't have to split between two Smash games, and all eyes are gonna be on it since Meleefags actually kinda like the game. Anywhere between 3k-4k entrants is going to be the floor of what to expect.

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Interestingly he sort of plans to try SamSho. I really want him to just to see how that goes, he might even prove people wrong.

twitter.com/SonicFox5000/status/1100582609179029504

The guy's MO is to try out every new fighting game and fishing for early wins when people haven't understood the meta. I believe he expressed interest in Granblue and DOA6. I respect the hustle though, the man has to eat, its just that his fanbase frame him as some sort of godlike fighting game player when he's just being practical

We don't really know much about how the new samsho will play, for all intents and purposes it might be so different from older ones that the furry faggot will feel at home there.

I think most people are picking up Samurai Shodown just because nobody knows how to play it yet so therefore anybody can win.

>sonic faggot
>game with basically no combos or setplay
pick 1

>The guy's MO is to try out every new fighting game and fishing for early wins when people haven't understood the meta
I almost can't believe how many people haven't figured this out. He nearly never plays games stacked with competition. And if he does, it's against NRS scrubs. But whatever. He's doing what loads of them do, just faster.

From the looks of everything it is very like SS2. Unless they really surprise us, but something like that would have been shown off for hype I think. I just want to see some old ass Japanese player who has been grinding in Mikado come and destroy everyone.

As much as I want Samshow to return to its pre-IV glory days (fat chance!), to include it on the strength of shit-turds like KoF14 and Heroines, demonstrates Evo is no longer the premier competitive FG tourney -- rather, an e-sports promotional vehicle for whatever company pays them the most to host their wares.

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SonicFox is a DOA5 champion m8

I can imagine some meleefag going to EVO and shooting up the place and missing everyone lol

I think he also picked up VF in his early days. It also depends if DOA6 will have any sort of solid playerbase because it feels like that game is cursed to have a small one like BBTAG

>theres not that much point in watching street fighter when street fighter is already in smash
underrated shit-post / 10

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I miss Marn being a bum at tournaments bros. I miss acting a fool in hotels watching that white guy no one knew trying to smoke weed in a non-smoking room by tunneling it out of the window with a funnel.

>shit-turds like KoF14
>SNK having money
pretty bad bait, try and make a more realistic scenario

>SNK is owned by 37 games
>37Games ranks no. 23rd amongst top 100 internet companies in China in 2015.[4] 37Games is also the second biggest browser game platform behind Tencent, taking 13.3% in the Chinese browser game market share.[5] By February 28, 2015, the registrations in Mainland China alone had exceeded 400 millions. 37Games’ mainland China website operates over 300 games with monthly revenues exceeding 220 million CNY.[6] 37Games is also the founder and host of the Chinese International Game Conference, which aims at providing a communication platform for gaming companies from around the globe.[7]

Chinese are good at advertising and don't care about quality. They are showing their prowess right now.

>Samshow
That's wrong spelling. Also, With what money? SNK are broke, dumbass. It's why their games look outdated/horrible visually.

>being ignorant to the fact that Tenchink owns SNK's prolapsed anus

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I'll believe you when they give 0.000000000001% of that to make a game with a real budget

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>Gootecks and Mike Ross are dead

>Sam = SamURAI
>Sho = ShoGUN

What did you think it meant, nergo cock cheese breath?

youtube.com/watch?v=5DaALy53ex8

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I mean it makes sense, I can't play fightan for shit but even I can play smash.

That's like saying Grasshopper Manufacture can afford to make a triple A budgeted IP just because they're owned by GungHo

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>Chinese
>making a good product
LOL'd hard. You have no idea what their sales strategies are, do you? It's make a cheap product fast and hype it up so it sells quick and dies fast enough to sell the next cheap product.

What the fuck does leaderboard mean? That can't be entrants, SFV below T7, UNIST above MK11 and DBFZ this low.

The owners don't fully SNK trust them enough to give them a big budget yet. That's the way it works.

Basically.

Grasshopper Manufacture has had pretty aggressive marketing campaigns. This is almost exactly like Samsho.

My god you're right. I have no hope of Samurai Shodown being good now.

Retard. It's SamSho, not SamShow.

>It's make a cheap product fast and hype it up so it sells quick and dies fast enough to sell the next cheap product.
Is that why they are still patching KoF14? We even had DLC last year. Game came out in 2016 by the way

>aggressive marketing campaigns. This is almost exactly like Samsho.
2 trailers, a cut out of Galford and assuming they paid off MrWiz?

If they are so easy to pay off why didn't DoA6 steal a slot from UNIst? Surely they could pay more

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That's only because people complained enough.
Same with that Chrono trigger steam port.

The fact that Arcana Heart never makes it into EVO in spite of clearly being the best fighting game out there, is sad.
But I guess a game full of girls (and zero pantyshots unlike mainstays like Street Fighter) still isn't in tune with their core values or something somehow.

You think Wizard wants DOA6 after the shit they put him through? Say goodbye to Wizard ever supporting the DOA community. Money isn't worth the bad PR.

Balance patch is cheap and easy compared to real patches that would fix netcode. There also isn't another comp game out yet. SNK Heroines was a quick cash grab that probably sold as expected.

>Tekken keeps growing
I'm so happy about that. I really hope the game continues to be a tournament darling and to sell so that we can get season 3, because I need my good old pals Baek and Wang back, and preferably Bruce since I hate Josie.

You have to be a retarded fatass american to get hit by the same move 6 times in a row

That's literally the same reason why I didn't care much about Skullgirls.

At least Marvel was ultra fast, whereas in these two games you spend half a set blocking.

>That's only because people complained enough
That doesn't make any sense, especially when nobody even expected the last patch. So the Chinese have this whole strategy, unless the 100 people still playing KoF14 go on twitter and say they wish Blue Mary was in?

But you said they make a bad game they can dump quickly, yet they still released characters last year which is a "real patch." As are graphics overhauls like they did. 3 years of support is more than a lot of games get, almost like you are bullshitting and pulling new excuses out of your ass.

>DBFZ dropped that low
Damn, did the whole tournament ban thing kill it faster?
Neat how SCVI and UNIST are that high too. Though too bad about SCVI being dead online

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I pirated and labbed Wagner a lot yesterday. Good lord this game brings me back to my BB days. Wish I had people to play with on PC EU, would've bought in an instant.

Inb4 discord for whoever even tries to suggest it, shut your whore mouth, discord begging aint "people to play with", its miserable and always will be.

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IM STINKY DINKY AH AH AAAAAHHHH

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The absolute state of arc system works

>selling DLC isn't profitable

youtube.com/watch?v=JO1r6kRiP6s

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>first 30 seconds is just """zoning"""
Super inteligent, stay with your shit """games""" figthing game cuck.

>wtf this guy is outranging my pawns with his queen!!
That's a chess reference you stupid zoomer

....finally

Ah so a new excuse, starting to think you don't believe you old ones. Also with this few people playing? There can't be any serious profits to make. 13 has more players than 14.
steamcharts.com/app/222940
steamcharts.com/app/571260

Nerf Gherman REEEEEEEEE

>that fuckin Meleefag despair when he realized he wasn't getting that main stage check this year

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UNIST,
UNIST,
UNIST,
UNIST,
UNIST,
UNIST

Who Phonon here?

It was a factor for sure but another big reason is the balancing which is fucked to hell right now. Strong characters are still strong even with nerfs/new mechanics, other characters that were strong due to mechanics literally died(Tien/Zamasu), long time low tiers are still low and have almost no synergy.

Game suffers from poor balancing even now and needs a re-balancing that for once, focuses on buffs rather than lame nerfs that do absolutely nothing but suck the fun out of it.

t.DBFZ main

The new patch also fucked thing over?

All the people who made SFIV good, ie: DIMPS employees, had no involvement with SFV. And even some of them left Dimps and went back to SNK recently.

One of them was Oda right? He was the battle planner for SF4 and Garou I think

That is the number of entries into the game, Dooberz and Booberz are cheap, badly banalanced and casual as fuck games that have no right to be in the fucking evo stage and as it turns out the fighting game community agrees. Hopefully arc sys gets a fucking clue and doesn't dumb down the next guilty gear game, as for why xrd is out the game is also suffering from shitty balance and lack of anything new. Robo Ky and Ariels are still on the files as unfinished characters, they should have been introduced into the game last year not saved for 3.

Just like Central Fiction should have added in Trinity and Kajun since they're the top 2 with Kajun taking 1st place on their little "Who do you want to see added to Blazblue?" poll a year ago. It's ridiculous they could be so blind

Persona is a dead horse if it isn't 5 and if they wanted a RWBY game they should have made a real RWBY game with their own characters and roster

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Will people lose when Pakistan wins EVO again?

It mainly fucked characters that relied on damage synergy like super into next character super and then the character that comes out can do another one resulting in 3 supers from 2 characters. Or even being able to keep the combo going after a super. Both of these cases got fucked from the patch because now any damage after a super is nerfed horribly. EXCEPT characters whose gimmick is doing combos after their supers like Piccolo/Yamcha/Videl.

Meanwhile it did nothing to adress the real synergy issues. Trunks assist is still horrible in the corner for extensions and horrible in general for pressure, Krillin rock is still a rock, characters are still picked for their assist rather than picked because the player likes them etc.

Play with Yea Forums. There's consistent UNIST threads though they only ever play during midnight.

I hope so, he was clean as fuck at Japan

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Even worse, instead of discord begging, I have to monitor a whole board just to see if a thread pops up so I can beg there and pray some forgotten EU guy comes and ft1s me then its back to waiting.

>Will people lose when Pakistan wins EVO again?
Can't win if you can't enter the country. :)

Eitherway you can still get queue matches in around 3-4 minute intervals. Cant guarantee you about the quality though. That said, you should really try the Yea Forums threads, its one of those miraculous fighting game threads where people actually play the game instead of posting 20 waifupics in a row.

user, I could try them sure. But I aint buying a 30euro game just to try. I ain't giving money to an FG like that anymore, you know how many times I fell for that?

based

Am I blind or did he forget to include Guilty Gear?

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watching a Kazumi player crush was awesome.

No GG in the main events this year.

GG is out man. Speculation of a new one being announced though.

Unmmm....guys?

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wasn't it a win10 exclusive? i remember wanting to play it but not being able to

Can't wait for him to appear at the last second, with blood all over him and his clothes torn to shreds from forcing his way into the country over the course of a week.

I fucking wish.

He's been pulling this shit for ages now. Getting pretty tired

Is he even relevant in any game these days?

it was but eventually they ported it
its on steam now

Wait, which Samurai Shodown? I loved that series and I think I would enjoy watching.

New one
youtube.com/watch?v=HHxLYLwwQVY

Meleefags aren't melee players. Other than Hbox.

> Tam Tam confirmed
instant buy

And SF5 had it's peak CCV spiked by a literal fortnite streamer dumping his viewers on it's finals, so the peak only lasted about 5 seconds while everyone was clicking off.

>mk11
>not even out yet

Wtf?

DBFZ has just steadily dropped players because the patches have been bad and the future of the game is uncertain. Still absolutely a fun game with really good competition, but after the Season 2 patch... well, not everyone is happy.

UNIST ISN'T LAST LET'S GO

What are the chances that UNI gets bumped up to sunday?

Sunday morning finals are whack. I'd rather Saturday night. I don't think it has the pull for a prime time Sunday slot.

Zero. Wizzy never changes the Sunday plan, even when he really should.