Reminder: Every single classic final fantasy game was pointless because the worlds they took place on were destroyed...

Ultros is also there too IIRC

Ultros was a Souls of Chaos (FFI GBA) boss. All the bosses in that dungeon are from Souls of Chaos + FFII (I was wrong originally).
On the other hand, the 3D version cuts all of them.

why did they draw her pussy

That thing is made out of semen.

What did they mean by this.
The god of all Final Fantasy is an evil horrific alien?

It's just a gay reference to Exdeath and Kefka.

Yes.
Though, I think WoFF retcons it to Alexander, I dunno

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FFII is fine. It didn't get crystals.

Its bosses still show up in True Moon.

I'd hardly call them bosses since they're not forced on you in FFII like the others are. They're all chest-traps guarding the biggest weapons.

Either way, he had to get that data from somewhere.

>TAY is supposed to be a sequel to FFIV
>literally the exact same events from the first game happen again over and over again, like scene for scene

what was the fucking point of this game

Final Fantasy 6, especially with the Brave New World hack, is the best Final Fantasy game.

Money.
It was a mobile game originally for a reason.

Reminder that he captured Rydia and used her to clone himself an entire harem of Rydias, even a loli variant.

>classic final fantasy
VII chads win again

TAY is garbage.

Why is it that whenever they try to connect the games it's the dumbest shit? Just leave em separate unless it's a crossover game.

The only thing I give a fuck about in the lore is FFXIV. does he touch that at all?

People actually care about the story? LOL

I only played FF7 FF9 and FF10 and they dont have any connections?

This game came out before XIV and I don't think XIV refers to it at all.

The Creator only involves the first 4 or 5 games. Everything after 6 is definitely untouched by him.

Closest connection is that "The Creator" has been sorta retconned to be Alexander, so that entire raid chain can be tangentially related. Also A12 had some fucking great music. Rise was 10/10

Does XIV have crystals? Then yes

Literally nothing else but the after years mention this guy, even future crossovers, all of which say different things about the nature of the FF multiverse. No mainline FF game will ever connect to another, and each crossover is in their own continuity.

Yes and no.

There's the elemental crystals, and the Warrior of Light collects all 6 of them, but they're smaller, more individual things. There's also more than 1 of each individual crystal, as another important character in Heavensward is revealed to have had one as well, and its one that your character had already received.

Golbez, Edward, and Edge were the only good parts of TAY.

Nope. The light of the Crystals was born in the Void, the ending of III and maybe V, if memory doesn't fail. Though the crystals of IV behave differently than the ones in III, V and IX, i.e.: They don't summon the death of universes to swallow your whole dimension up when you tamper with them.

There is no power above the Void, with the possible exception of the gods of XI, one of which is supposedly its progenitor.

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Just because the story didn't involve crystals doesn't mean there weren't any on the planet. The fact that there are bosses from that world in the facility prove that. He had to get the data from that world somehow, and it's heavily implied that all of those bosses are meant to be like.. the final preserved specimens of destroyed worlds. So it's gone.
The only world that survived out of the first six games is 4's world.

FFVI and FFIX are both exceptional in their timelessness. The games before VI are more primitive and the ones before IX didn't age well visually.

>mobile game originally

Wii Shop Channel was the first release

>no mainline FF game will ever connect to another
What about Gilgamesh and his dimensional hopping shenanigans?

Yeah, in America.
In Japan, it was a phone game. That's part of the reason it's split into "tales"

Oh I forgot about him. Still, he's the exception that proves the rule, considering he jumps dimensions and not planets.

And yet the entire plot of The After Years contradicts that.

But that's wrong. It was originally a flip-phone game and was ported to Wii later. The Wii release combined a few chapters together into the prologue chapter, even, at the cost of having that new longer prologue chapter completely spoil Kain's chapter.

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>No mainline FF game will ever connect to another

word of god connected 7 and 10, plus 3 and 8 are all but confirmed

AND 14 has a canon multiverse, the real actual lighting was confirmed to visit 14's dimension, and the last raid is a multidimensional battle royale where you fight exdeath and kefka

>3 and 8

What the fuck? How?

It's a theory based on how Hyne is in 8's backstory and some map elements match up with 3.

>Final Fantasy
>Each final fantasy are their own game and end up being final for their own

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Correction on Kefka and Exdeath in the Omega Raids: They're simulacrum created by Omega to test and find the ideal form to fight Primals

xiv does have more than one crystal, and for each crystal there is a world
though in the game you get told if one world leans too heavily in one direction, either good or bad the world is consumed by something, at least 1 other world has fallen to this, and i think it was cause the good guys won too much, been awhile since i checked

plus the omega fights are based on "fantasy stories"

i havent done the last set yet. i know they're based on Garlean legends... but the Garlean empire was founded by dimension hoppers so they probably got the stories from somewhere real

>and some map elements
Take that with a grain of salt
There are far more similarities visually between 8 and 10 than there are between 3 and 8. More likely than not due to Kitase being the director on both.

Absolutely based.

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In a contradiction between multiple mainline games and a side game, the side game is going to be overruled. Again, like I mentioned, the crystals in IV DO behave differently from Crystals in the other games. I haven't played After Years, so it's perfectly possible that the crystals from that world are "artificial", and we never see the real ones. That part can fit in the known lore, fairly reasonably. But After Years has no authority to contradict factual information that is presented to us by an unbiased narrator in a game that sits way higher above it in the "canonicity" scale.

The Void overtly connects III, V and IX. Gilgamesh is now a traveler of the Void, and is demonstrably the same character in every one of his appearances pre-XV, discounting XI. That extends the connection to I, IV, VIII, XII, Tactics, and MAYBE the XIII line if you consider a DLC battle canon for the latter. Tactics is a sequel to XII, and you can end up summoning Cloud as a character. If you consider that canon, that extends the connection up to VII-verse as well. That leaves what, II and XV out?

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>word of god connected 7 and 10
That was stupid and I choose to ignore it until something in an actual game shows it. I will then continue to ignore it, but with the knowledge I am fully wrong.

>3 and 8
nani

As for 14, it kind of proves what I meant, though it does show my words were chosen poorly. I meant they won't connect together, in game, in a "they take place in the same universe on different plants or in different times" way. But now I'm going to look stupid if 16 has you get on a spaceship, fly to 15 other planets and pick up the main characters from each game.

Refresh my memory, did FFVI have any crystals?

Most people seem to consider Magicite the "Crystals" of VI.

Does Magicite count?

Magicite was crystalline in appearance, but like II, crystals weren't part of the plot and were never shown.
Despite that, bosses from VI still appear on the True Moon, implying the destruction of that world.

They fall to the Light or Dark, depending on either the Ascians of Zodiark or the Chosen of Hydaelen winning the battle, causing the respective being to flood that particular shard with their Dark/Light. It's actually the big focus of the next expansion: We, the Chosen Warrior of Light, were just a bit too good at our job, and now the Light is flooding the Shard, dooming us.

Yup, just legends. Ascians from other Shards might have directly met these Primals/Gods/Whatever, which in turn fueled the stories for Omega to create its forms, but there's been no direct confirmation that the timelines/histories of the other shards differ from ours. Its more likely that each shard has the same Primals, the same races, as the Warriors of Darkness seemed to know a LOT about Ravana, and other Primals from our Shard.

Not the traditional crystals, no. in 6 you have Magicite, but that's closer to Materia than Crystals.

The is also Tritoch/Valigarmanda that is trapped in a (Ice) Crystal and basically sets Terra off on her adventure at the start, but that is more dubious then just saying "Magicite".

>until something in an actual game shows it

i mean in x-2, Shinra litterally says he's going to fly to another planet and start an electric company using the souls of the dead sooooooooooooo

there's >implications that the void in 5 and 3 are actually different. mostly from dissidia though, so if you consider that canon then all the characters canonically can cross over anyway.

also, if you subscribe to the theory that all the Highwinds are related and thus in the same dimension, that brings 2 and 15 in

Valigarmanda wasn't in a crystal, iirc. He was actually literally frozen solid, by a magical seal of ice.

Why is Final Fantasy lore so fucked when you try to connect separate games
It feels like every time they bring up a multiverse it's completely different and doesn't connect to the previous interpretation, this guy included

God TAY is such hot garbage and I'll never understand how there are retards that vehemently defend it.

it's almost like most of them are done by different teams and directors or something. Weird.

I think we're probably better off ignoring Dissidia entirely since its crossing of Crystal Mythos with Fabula Nova Crystalis would be such a headache to untangle that it would end up making no sense. Though if we somehow extend the connection up to XV, that also ends up swallowing Tactics Ogre and Vagrant Story as part of the same overall multiverse, because one of the raid bosses in that game is actually a character from Tactics Ogre implied to have crossed realities somehow and successfully achieved lichdom
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Don't play dumb, you know exactly why.

Holy Dragoon is rad as fuck as a concept, so I'm glad it exists just for that. Now if only it was in a better game.

Because with rare exceptions, they don't connect at all and when they do, it's actually a separate alternative universe.
Take FFXIV for instance that with it's recent 24-man raid connects itself to Tactics, FF12 and Vagrant Story that was written by Matsuno but instead of being a normal connection, it's alternative take in which plenty of stuff is switched up (FF12 coming after Tactics, Ramza and crew actually biting it before beating Altima, etc.) that has no impact on FFT/FF12/Vagrant Story canon

It starts as in a ice (that looks like crystal because it is ice) and the dethaws later in the story IIRC.

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Every single classic final fantasy game was pointless because it's a fucking video game. Kind of retarded to feel like your time was wasted if something imaginary happens to make the imaginary world you pretended to save not actually get saved.

>that also ends up swallowing Tactics Ogre and Vagrant Story as part of the same overall multiverse

to be fair the Ivalice games are basically Ogre games anyway

I'm not defending it, but it did do some cool things here and there. Like the other user said the Holy Dragoon is a great concept. I really liked how they did some cutscenes, particularly during flashbacks with how they used the old SNES graphics, even for events that happened long ago but weren't necessarily events that happened during that game.
But then you've got dumb shit like a sailboat requiring fuel.

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and here's why that's a good thing

An argument can be made for Ehrgeiz and by extension Tekken also existing in the same multiverse but I suppose that's beyond the original point here.

just think of the implications from Kingdom Hearts and Smash Bros...

>Tekken
>Namco
ACE COMBAT & FINAL FANTASY CROSSOVER WHEN
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Doesn't Onion Knight's existance in Dissidia and Luneth & Co. existance in the III remake and a few other spinoffs point to the possibility of individual games having their own universe offshoots?

Holy Dragoon might be cool if it gets into FFXIV

The party in 4 defeats it, meaning that world is safe, right? 4 is my favorite FF but I never played through TAY.

>Man, who is the dumb fuck that shat out the After Years
>Tokita? What did he ever do?
>Essentially the creative drive on FF4, one of the directors of Chrono Trigger, Director of Live a Live, Director of PARASITE EVE

How can someone so talented fuck up so hard?

Aren't (most) FF cameos in KH from a singular and unrelated world instead of their respective installments? I only brought up Ehrgeiz because (like Tactics) it gives a passing explanation for the FF guests to actually be there by way of the Ehrgeiz sword itself; which is described as something inter-dimensional and has materia slotted in it. It even had a passing resemblance to the Materia Blade in FFT until subsequent re-imaginings of the Materia Blade made it resemble Cloud's Ultima weapon.

Although the tiny size of the sprites in Tactics leaves much to interpretation so even that link is pretty shaky.

Don't forget the Final Fantasy X Dragon Quest crossovers and the Final Fantasy X Monster Hunter crossover.

Yes.

Yes.
Although Sora does guest star in WoFF due to DLC.
This isn't even touching the mobage. Brve Exivus alone would create a truckload of connections.

>Aren't (most) FF cameos in KH from a singular and unrelated world

i think the only confirmed ones are Aeris, Yuffie and Squall. Though Cloud shows up on that world in 2, he's also one of the few people that can hop between worlds within the KH canon

>Aren't (most) FF cameos in KH from a singular and unrelated world instead of their respective installments?

For the most part, yeah. Most of them are meant to be different versions of themselves, not the actual characters from the FF games. The only possible exception to this is Auron, who is hinted, but not confirmed, to be the same one from ten.

>caring about some After Years bullshit
FFIV was already an awful game story-wise, why even bother paying attention to something that made it more retarded?

>IV
All those worlds just pretended to be dead

That's like asking why the lore gets fucked up if I try to link Legend of Zelda, Halo, and Devil May Cry.

>Everyone is fucking awful in TAY
>Except for Edward, Edge and fucking PALOM

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>Airships, Land and aquatic vehicular combat
I've wanted something like that since the submarine segment in FF7

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It's ridiculous how much Palom managed to pull his shit together.

>Only ever played FF3
How similar are the rest of the games to 3? I love the job system, and although I didn't look into it super hard, it seemed like a decent handful of other FF games proceeding 3 just didn't have one at all.

The only games with a job system are 3, 5, tactics, 10-2 (KIND OF), and both Bravely's

The job system is actually the one mechanic that gets repeated semi-consistently through the games, that's how good an idea it was. Play V, it's entirely centered around Jobs, and if you can endure a godawful story for the sake of gameplay, X-2.

V is probably your best bet. It's usually said to be III but better in every way. X-2 also has a job system, but that game in general is controversial. XII might, but I dunno. 4 Heroes of Light also has one.
The Bravely series is also worth a look, especially if you end up liking V.

I actually played both Bravely games, I just didn't know people counted them as FF. I get why you would though.

>The job system is actually the one mechanic that gets repeated semi-consistently through the games
This sounds like the opposite of what the others are saying. Would you mind elaborating? Either way, yeah I'll check out V.

He actually has a character arc and growth, a

Oh, I just mean that the job system is the only gameplay system in the franchise that's repeated wholecloth sometimes rather than being used for just one game and never again. But yes, V is the obvious next stop. After that point I'd recommend Tactics, if you don't mind a jump from RPG to SRPGs

>Would you mind elaborating?
I'll do it for him
FFV is 3's job system but better, more polished, and provides more reasons to engage with it constantly. Also uses MP now so that's neat
Tactics has the job system but because of pesky things like unit growth rates you're not actually changing constantly between units. Which doesn't matter because the end of the game is going to have you using a party mostly comprised of uniques.
10-2 has dress spheres. They're functional as a job system in every way that matters but 10-2 itself isn't all that fun.
13 and 13-2 has the paradigm system. But the customization in that is extremely limited and not at all close to what you get out of V with the many combinations you can get
LR KIND of has a job system. But that's stretching that word to it's absolute limit.

It seems like another world also fell to darkness, though at least some Ascians think of that as a failure in their goal. It became the Void, a place where voidsent creatures dwell.

All speculation, but I believe in XIV, the Void literally refers to an Aetheric Void, in the sense while aether permeates most of the worlds which sustains life, planets in the void become that way by falling prey to creatures which consume aether and horde it, preventing it from returning to the planet and creating new beings. Every void world instead exists with creatures that prey upon each other to consume more aether, which raise their status among other voidsent by making them more powerful.

This is also why Primals are considered extra bad -- they draw in aether and never naturally return it to the world since they never die, instead just continuing to draw in more and more aether over time. In that way, they function like voidsent, and by us slaying them, we force the aether to dissipate back into the world. It's also why we ourselves can't side with Primals (Except Shiva, who wasn't continuing to draw in Aether and not a total slave to her goal), since even though Thordin technically had a similar goal to us (End the dragonsong war, kill the Ascians, and reunite Ishgard), because the things that become primals can't help themselves but singlemindly follow their plan and eat up as much Aether as they can get along the way.

More conjecture, but I'd say a world that became too infused with light results in the scouring of life off the planet, returning everything to the world's primordial beginning by sucking everything back into the lifestream. While it's not quite as bad as a void world, no one living on a planet tends to want to hit the reset switch and wait for Hydaelin or whoever to create more life on the planet.

different user here and I thank you for the break down.

The Bravely games are successors to Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light, and were in turn succeeded by Octopath Traveler.

Make up your own mind how far you wanna go as per considering them Final Fantasy games, but if you play 4HOL then Default you'll see they're at the very least blood brethren.

>lol ur favorite game world actually blew up after you left it

they did this shit with chrono trigger. why the fuck do the japanese love to just RUIN everything with nonsensical post-game "lore".

>trigger
>live a live
>parasite eve

>dystopian future games where everyone dies/dies post game outside your control because fuck you

dude is a straight up saddist

I like how Wind Waker did this with Hyrule and then subverted it by showing the place was perfectly fine (Even kept frozen in time) and destroying it was just a final fuck you to Ganon.

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Okay so who is the most powerful character or thing in FF?

Fuck you. The LEGO men in 7 are top level aesthetic.

Gay high res anime graphics are literally soulless

At one point, legitimately Lightning, not anymore.

Reminder that Promathia created The Void and is Cloud of Darkness' Daddy

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It might be this thing If you discount MMOs, as a general concept, the most powerful force in Final Fantasy is the Void.
As an individualized character, the various incarnations that the Void wears as a hat whenever he's stirred. There seriously is nothing that comes even close to it.

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The perfect summation of TAY is that Ceodore, our supposed main character, NEVER EVEN MEETS OR INTERACTS WITH THE MAIN VILLAIN.

Vaan only met Vayne like twice. Just sayin.

When Lightning faced Bhunivelze, she was on par with it and even surpassed him. Bhunivelze is the FNC version of Promathia.

Here's XI's version of the Cloud of Darkness, basically an "Emptiness" version of the Cloud of Darkness.

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Yes but they interact and the events of their actions intersect.

What does Ceodore do?

I didn't use him in the final areas, but I do wonder how the dialogue changes.

I never played after years, is every game with crystals influenced by this little dude?
What about Bravely Default's Crystals?

>Huh?!

Because they don't actually connect and it's all autistic theories based on fanservice crossovers, easter eggs that shouldn't be taken seriously and shitty side games that no one cares about.

Do you truly enjoy taking color out of the world like that

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FF doesn't have to connect its lore, which is a pretty good survival strategy too.

This dude looks like a MUGEN creepypasta OC for some reason

I'm playing through Dirge of Cerberus right now so I feel like I have to make others miserable to share the pain.

Why would you do that to yourself, user? It's okay, you're among friends here.

Understandable. Please carry on.

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I liked VII a lot and I'm want to play through the compilation even if it's 90% garbage that shits on the original game. The worst thing is that PCSX2 doesn't even emulate it properly, if this keeps up I might just skip over to Crisis Core.

>this shit spinoff sequel is the one above all in terms of canon despite the fact that it was made 17 years after the original, not by the original creators, nobody gives a flying fuck about it, and it's NEVER referenced EVER AGAIN in the 10 years since it came out
yeah, great argument, fucko

TAY was directed and worked on by most of the original ff4 team.

>There is no power above the Void
It's Chaos. Chaos is above everything.

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>surpassed
Lighting literally became goddess of Death and then Goddess of reborn. Just as Bunuvulza planned to do. All according to plan, except his exile to Chaos.

See this, this is the most awful taste in Final Fantasy, even saying FF2 is your favorite is better than this

>Skip over Crisis Core
You wouldn't miss out, you do know that Squenix went out to say that the FF7 compilation is no longer canon right?

Source

The compilation isn't canon to the remake,it's still canon to the original game.

finalfantasyunion.com/news/3357/tetsuya-nomura-reveals-compilation-of-ffvii-is-not-canon-to-ffvii-remake/

In my interpretation of his nipponese, he meant the original game as well, so there's that

imagine actually giving a shit about the lore of babbies first JRPG

imagine going into threads about stuff you don't like so you can pretend to be better than others for a few seconds by typing how much better you are for not caring

i am better than you

Didn't he get that from his world though?

nah, even if that was the case, I got the bigger dick

Yeah well I am better than the both of you.
This slut is right though that dick is huge.

It makes the drawing cute and funny.