So what the fuck is cyberpunk about this?

and that is why gamers are mad at CDPR and their anti-consumer practices

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vapid celebrity worship, materialism and consumerism.

damn, got me

This thread is going to be a shitshow so I'm just gonna post cute Motoko pics, okay?

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Shousa is a good girl.

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Machines are now so advanced they can even replace entertainers, removing the human element from even art?

She's cheeky tho.

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Silly, that's a cyborg, like Motoko here.

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time for SOLAR INDUSTRIAL BLACK METAL
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thats a person with chromed skin

Now we're talking.

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Looks more like a toaster to me

If you think that isn't cyberpunk then you don't know what cyberpunk is.

And if you give me a quick rundown I can make and break the illusion of control you have

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>So what the fuck is cyberpunk about this?
I mean, it's a cyborg with a punk haircut, you can't get more cyberpunk than that.

Funny you should say that! Wat a useful gal Motoko is.

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let's do that

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>Mangatoko
>Huge dork and cutie patootie who does cyber-prostitution as a side-gig

>Movietoko
>Introspective philosophizer with statuesque beauty

Mangatoko can be statuesque too

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>Modern city
>Crappy screens
>people dressed normally
>LA.

This literally could be lady ga ga stepping out to a premier or something. Where's the texture? The grit?

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>cyberpunk is ALL about the aestethics
>aestethic must be THIS or else it's not cyberpunk
I have literally read these posts, on here, word by word.

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And movietoko can be cute.

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It's the "We want the GTA audience" aesthetic

This image reminds me of the days I used to have a Shadowrun group set in the CalFree state, doing runs against the Horizon Group and the Japanese Imperial State. I miss those people.

>Where's the texture? The grit?
Watch the trailer, you get lots and lots of grit. Cyberpunk is about juxtaposing Apple aesthetic hyper-luxury with grungy, greasy gangs geeking each other for bits of Corporate tech.

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>Movietoko

>Manfaced emotionless blank who wears a puffy orange windbreaker and stares blankly at everything

>Mangatoko
>Fashionable gal who reacts with emotion and style to things around her.

If Movietoko is a doll, Mangatoko is an action figure.

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it's 75% aesthetic and the aesthetic is 75% stable
it's just that antisunfags don't know what the aesthetic is

You want cyberpunk AND noir stuff? Check out dis toko. Lookit dem mirrorshades and trenchcoat.

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she's an action doll.

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Where was the grit in the Yutani building? Cyberpunk isn't all grit. Someone has to be at the top to fight against.

>apple aesthetic
no, the apple aesthetic was the beginning of the end for cyberpunk

it's about juxtaposing 1980s ferrari aesthetics with the gritty stuff

>it's just that antisunfags don't know what the aesthetic is
Which can be blamed squarely on them getting taught that Bladerunner is the hallmark aesthetic of the genre, even though Cyberpunk 2077 is based on a tabletop system which is kissing cousins with Shadowrun, both of which often feature sunny (albeit smoggy) days.

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That's just what they call to get boys and girls to buy her. Don't fall for the marketing gimmick.

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BASED

ITT OP is blind

>HURDUR YOU DON'T LIKE THE SUN

Onto you you 25 eurocenter. You can't hide the fact this game is gonna bomb.

how hard-boiled! How cool!

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Why is she wearing a garbage bag?

so basically real life?

does this look like an action figure to you?

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She can also play the femme fatale part of things!

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While I do agree with what you're saying, I think the Apple aesthetic *is* a necessary evolution of the genre's feel. I don't want Cyberpunk to become a relic of a bygone era, and the ferrari aesthetic of the 1980s is the Apple aesthetic of the 2000s. It's why Shadowrun introduced wireless Matrix and P2.1 and Horizon and all those other things that, while not "quite" fitting the old aesthetic, still slot in nicely and make sense.

Things gotta evolve, man. Love the old but make something new.

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she's just sizzlin'

now listen to the music

why is SHE wearing a garbage bag?

Some assembly required. It was right there on the box.

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OVER 20 lbs OF PUSSY AND ASS.

I don't think so; we can have sleek and smooth with other colours than white or brushed metal.

I'll make Motoko V and you can't stop me!

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You wish kek. The game is gonna sell like candy even if its shit due to CDPR still riding the Wwitcher 3 hype train.

>People make bait threads
>People fall for bait threads
Such is the way of life

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>I don't want Cyberpunk to become a relic of a bygone era
Why not?
Also the problem isn't cyberpunk being from a bygone era, the problem is that this bygone era is bygone instead of still being present.
>things gotta evolve
Says who?

If evolving means turning tech into bullshit neopsychedelia bubble-shaped toys, then fuck evolution.

BU- BU- BUT MUH RAINY NEON NIGHTS BLADE RUNNER AESTHETIC

Motoko weighs more than 20 lbs.

Cyberpunk is based on capitalism. Look at Brazil where extremely wealthy assholes love in billion dollar sky scrapers looking down favelas.

Seeing idols has and always will be a part of the future.
People should dress normally. If you want it like blade runner then you're looking for cyber "noir"

This game will focus on a closer future, I'm guessing, one that will not be too alien. People will dress the same and our culture isnt uprooted

in pic related, it's chrome™ and a mo-hawk.

i like blade runner movie and it's the same for GiTS. they both develop aspect of the universe they take inspiration for, it's called appropriation.
i'm fine if CD projekt do the same.

Uhh it's actually in norcal retard

damn right

even the fuchikoma finds her butt heavy

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So I just wanted to say that I never finished The Witcher 3 because the combat was fucking terrible. I traded it in for Battlefield Hardline and I still don't regret it.

Hear hear. It's fine for things to stay the same if changing them would destroy them. Pastiches and period pieces are fine if done well and sparingly.

hair gotta be fluffier

The themes of the genre are still important. If it doesn't evolve it will die.

Stop wishing things could go back to the way they are. Or, if you want something a certain way, make your own game.

cool

you do you user

BROS WTF I WATCHED BHOST IN THE SHELL THE OTHER DAY AND IT HAD SUN WTFTWFT!!1!!

I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CYBERPUNK ANIMES HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPERNING TO US?!'!?

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>if iot doesn't evolve it will die
and that's a preferable outcome to bastardization

Stop wanting things to suck just so they can keep being trendy.

If cyberpunk is based on capitalism, why does so much of it involve the Soviet Union?

`Leningrad, Kiev, Siberia. We invented you in Siberia, Case.'

Checkmate kulaks.

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Floof mods better be a thing.

No duuuuude GitS isn't cyberpunk at all, it's post-cyberpunk, I read it on TVTropes, which is a totally legit source of information.

>Why not?
Because then it becomes a novelty setting, not something people draw inspiration from in any serious capacity. I don't want to see Cyberpunk relegated to being a cherished museum-piece, I want to see it in the public imagination.

>If evolving means turning tech into bullshit neopsychedelia bubble-shaped toys, then fuck evolution.
There should be a clear different in quality and aesthetic between the type of 'ware you get in the Barrens, and the 'ware you get in some Corpkid's playground. You can have your hard industrialpunk gears and stamped metal alongside the sleek, ergonomic composite with full-articulation. We've seen this first-hand in the game demo, the difference between the ganger tech and Mr. Johnson's guards. What people consider "high-tech" changes, and the genre should reflect that.

hell yeah

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Agreed.

You know, there's not many people writing hagiographies or 18th century diaries, but people still draw inspiration from them.

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It's not the sun you fucking shill; it's the whole modern day LA vibe.

We've been living in a cyberpunk dystopia for awhile now user, yes

>Stop wanting things to suck
How does changing the aesthetic from, "Ferrari" to "Apple" ruin the genre? I think that, now more than ever, it's important to offer people a genre that criticizes vapid commercialism and the Neo-Feudal divide between the Haves and Have Nots, exacerbated by the rising ubiquity of body-alterations that push the envelope of what it means to be Human.

Things don't suck just because you don't like them. If you want it to die then just pretend it already has and fuck off.

>Cyberpunk.

Nope. Stop confusing the hellish blend of neo-liberalism and social 'democracy' for cyberpunk.

Self-proclaimed cyberpunk master here. AMA
also cyberpunk is duck!

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>Because then it becomes a novelty setting, not something people draw inspiration from in any serious capacity
false dichotomy
>I don't want to see Cyberpunk relegated to being a cherished museum-piece, I want to see it in the public imagination.
oh right cause museum pieces aren't in the public imagination at all. D&G totally didn't release hoodies with renaissance paintings on them a couple years back.

Besides, fuck the public imagination, it turns almost everything into garbage.
>There should be a clear different in quality and aesthetic between the type of 'ware you get in the Barrens, and the 'ware you get in some Corpkid's playground
And as I said, that should be the difference between a homemade go-kart and a Ferrari.
NOT the difference between a broken down dial phone and a smartphone

We are a few android sexbots and neon billboards away from living in a cyberpunk dystopia yes.

You know what cyberpunk needs more of? Headpats.

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Floof mods should enable [F] for Headpat.

Consider this; V should get special take down moves to pof pof enemies with floofy hair until they settle down.

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Because the Apple aesthetic is total shit compared to the Ferrari aesthetic.

Duh.
>I think that, now more than ever, it's important to offer people a genre that criticizes vapid commercialism and the Neo-Feudal divide between the Haves and Have Nots, exacerbated by the rising ubiquity of body-alterations that push the envelope of what it means to be Human.
If your concern is what people actually do in real life you should forget about entertainment.

>it's 75% aesthetic and the aesthetic is 75% stable
Except that's false because Cyberpunk is 70-80% the philosophy and 20-30% the aesthetic
I kind of agree with this too
A big part of Cyberpunk's original aesthetic came out of the era it was conceived in, the late 70s/80s where cities were over-crowded and seemed to be dens of both poverty and wealth, where giant companies and corporations seemed as powerful as the government.
A big part of the neon-light, dreary-rain street aesthetic comes out of
>no city management, cities were going bankrupt so streets were dirty
>acid-rain concerns
>greater influx of immigrants from asian countries
>rise of east-asian companies, particularly for electronics being of higher quality than western ones
Conversely, nowadays, a lot of cities are driven by stuff like public-projects, gentrification and greater brand-name presence in the form of tech giants invading privacy.
Corporate overreach and poverty look different today than three decades ago

too deadly, too game-breaking

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I hope 2077 has some great modding capability/tools

No, bro cyberpunk gotta be deep commentary on like how the man is holding us down.

Fuck that, pink mohawk this shit up. Have some fun. Be a REAL punk.

>thinks democrats would be the cyberpunk setting
>meanwhile, every elected official is sucking corporate dick and giving them everything and separating the upper class from the lower class
It's coming for you, user, and your political beliefs won't do shit to stop it.

Only if there's enemies with floofy hair; those cyborg gangsters from the demo for example are gonna be immune to the pof pof.

it better have

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It's gonna be a great hit, keep crying Yea Forumsitches

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Which doesn't mean that fiction has to make it look different.

>not recognising the neccesity of corporatism through regulation and networking to ahceiving the end goal of autocratic 'technocratic' large bloc states.

That is happening by design, not becuase companies are getting too powerful. Look at the EU.

>But they sue apple, google.

Yeah, because they're American and outside of their corporate control. That's the real battle going on; government merged with capital to dominate huge chunks of the earth and growing population to swell GDP in order to pay for social systems and manage us. If it was just to make us all consumers, that at least would bring massive deregulation and freedom to buy, use and say what you want because that gives more opportunities to sell people products.

Observer is STILL the best game that captures Cyberpunk properly.

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>New Wave mod to accurately put all the fashion and stuff from the books into the game.

Yesss...

Also look at this cyber-wedgie.

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luvly

What, why not? Did you mourn the loss of the Buck Roger aesthetic when Aliens came out? Was Star Wars soulless because it didn't have ray guns?

>Dat dashboard.

I will say this unrepentantly; good vehicle design aesthetics died in the 90s.

>when real life is more cyberpunk than a game with "Cyberpunk" in the title.

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nice and tight

good thing she's got a metal cooch to deal with the pressure

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The difference is that they didn't turn pulpy space opera into Aliens. Flash Gordon wasn't made showing Flash as the bitter, endebted pilot of a garbage tug working to get revenge on the oppressive MING Interplanetary Corp, did it?

>All these people fussing over what is Cyberpunk.

There can be variations of a genre that doesn't lose identity. Whether it's a setting where aliens roam amongst humans in a crazy far future or one that still sees VHS and cassette in frequent use, it's all about the core. Crazy Corporates devaluing the average citizen and making criminal profits and being too powerful for anyone one person to make them stop. I feel like people look to Cyberpunk and get the Cyber part right, but hardly ever remember the punk.

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No, because Aliens looks better than Buck Roger. Not just on a technical level but on an aesthetic level.

Also Star Wars has rayguns.

You seem to be under the impression that every aesthetic design trend is equally good. It's not.

imagine being such a sloppy fagot that you worship slavery and rampant unregulated capitalism where the masses pay less then the wealthy who earn everything off the backs of millions.

Keep falling for the red scare, it's exactly what the billionaires who fired you for cheaper labour wanted

Gotta get an augmented crotch to deal with all the power of such high tension high cut goodness.

V needs something nice and tactical. look at how high speed low drag and operator a tactical fundoshi is!

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there can be a certain degree of variations but not too much.

Your idea of the core might be too vague.

The people who confused why cyberpunk is are simply underage who are too stupid to do a simple Google search. They just want the aesthetic and the atmosphere, they don't give two shits about context plot or meaning.

I like it, but we need to test it in the air tunnel first!

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And Cyberpunk Noir still exists with Bladerunner and the numerous indie games that embrace it, like Observer and Ruiner. Cyberpunk 2077 focuses on the High Tech, Low Life nature of the genre in the same vein as other venerable systems such as Shadowrun.

You've actually bought into the bullshit.

If you think these big corporations getting more and more power is going to do anything but fuck over the little guy then you are a moron. Corporations would form monopolies if it were legal, so the idea that them having more power would give more opportunities to sell is retarded. And, again, the money controls the government right now, so you better believe these social systems will only evolve to keep the population consuming.

Funny, the system you're supporting was designed to keep those people you claim to be against in power for perpetuity. At least in a more capitalist society there's a chance they'll fuck up and lose everything. The same biillionaires you claim I'm supporting are supporting this push, they're members of the elite and ideologically driving it.

And I haven't been fired, I'm an officer in my country's army and I speak to these people.

And people who don't care about the aesthetic have no taste and therefore shouldn't be trusted when asserting the value of things.

It does if the jumping-off point is modern-day instead of the 80s.

Yes, yes you're the rebel, you're anti-establishment. I bet you think the EU is a good thing as well.

Nobody cares, retards

Daily reminder that Yea Forums is full of vampire faggots who are afraid of the sun
that's why they hate CP

As a core, it's merely an aspect and what you build upon. No punk anything has been good just by simply being "You gotta fight the system man". Like any good movie, you often have your main plot and subplots which, hopefully, weave together to make a great setting.

And of course, the variations can't be too extreme like you said. Still. It IS possible if not simply difficult.

I didn't realize I was speaking to the designated shitpost.

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Incel shut the fuck up virgin.

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and if the writer can't think of any reason for things to look cooler than now.

>So what the fuck is cyberpunk about this?

Armed private security guards at a red carpet event with no government appointed police officers in sight.

The unwashed masses clamouring for and worshipping a woman who was once a beautiful human born from a mother's womb that willingly became a walking symbol of hubris, vanity, and capitalist greed.

>RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THE SUN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The very first sentence of Neuromancer describes a sunny day you dope

>If cyberpunk is based on capitalism, why does so much of it involve the Soviet Union?

Not that guy, but i think its because the "you have no control or choice" aspect of a totalitarian regime mixed with the "liberties" of a captalist system, that offer an idea of advancement at a cost of personal liberties/choices responsibility

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good idea! Let's see how aerodynamic it is!

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Good thing the People's Troglosocialik Union of Nu-Paris are fighting back against those decadent trends by espousing the work-affirming, socially egalitarian virtues of green lipstick, white foundation and red hair dye

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not too much I'm afraid

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Oh, no, I know even if it happens I am probably at least going to have a comfortable life. No way for me to fight it at this point. I am just not a moron getting distracted by "MY SIDE GOOD" when neither side is actually good.

Fuckin' new romantics.

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But it's dangerous; look how much it spooks this bimbo!

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Why the fuck are weebs spamming ghost in the shell here?

I HATE THE SUN.
DESTROY THE SUN.
DAY OF THE NOVA WHEN.

here we can see the operator's confusion, fear and anger at a superior tush

Because it's got a good PS1 game which you should play.

It's very... dare I say it... cyberpunk?

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cause it improves the overall quality of the thread

what aren't YOU GitSposting?

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Basically
Modern aesthetic is already pretty cyberpunk

hell yeah

also that soundtrack
youtube.com/watch?v=9avhp8QuAlk&frags=pl,wn

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Mass produced butts got no chance against custom 'toko tush.

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Ah yeah dats the good shit.

that's not a reason to avoid making things look cooler

>modern aesthetic.

Absolutely bloody not.

Yeah, pretty much. If you haven't noticed by now, we live in a cyberpunk dystopia. Just missing cyborgs and flying cars is all.

This. Why settle for the absolute rubbish that's modern aesthetics when you could be cool? Like picatinny rails on firearms. They're very utilitarian and useful but they look awful.

For example, this is the CMR-30. It looks awful.

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Compare this to what is, mechanically, the same gun but came out in the early 90s, the Grendel R-31. Same mechanics, same inventer, same company really, but one looks like a lego nightmare and the other looks like something a deathsquad would use to break down your door as you're trying to slice the gibson and snoop around some serious black ICE.

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Because i'm not a weeb.

nice nice

>cyberpunk is purely an aesthetic and has no thematic elements beyond NEON

heh ,,, whatever you say KID

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Isn't it? Shame it's not an inch longer or I could get it here. But I think this illustrates the point you're trying to make. Why settle for what is aesthetically bad? Why not make things look good?

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stop responding to bait you stupid fuck

SEETHING sunposter.

Except I'm not you stupid mongrel, the niggers have been going on and on about 'muh sun' since the gameplay was revealed, how you can fall for it is, truth be told, baffling

Anyway more shousa. Look at how comfy she is, and that cool jacket. I hope there's a jacket that cool in 2077.

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close up on that cool jacket and floofy hair (important, CDPR, very important).

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>how to make cyberpunk
>make it a big-ass city, set it at night, make it rain, make it neon and put a lot of adverts here and there
Shit man it's so easy, how the fuck is CDPR taking so long to do it?

But 'toko ain't a one trick pony. Nice biker gal vibe coming from her here.

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Kellgren designs are peak cyberpunk.

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oh that's her uniform, see?

She even got her politically ambiguous armband.

Also looks very ninja, puffy sleeves and legs

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Everyone says the adverts, but people forget what should be ON the adverts. What stuff should be on the billboards other than random Japanese characters?

They really are; you can still see the lines in his modern stuff, even if he likes slapping that stupid waffle patterning and picattiny rails on them these days.

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There's all the cyberpunk you need right there

youtube.com/watch?v=Js02m-7qHyE

Biker by day, ninja by night. Dual purpose see? Very smart dresser our Shousa.

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If it's a uniform how come we never see Ishikawa or Boma wearing 'em?

high-cut butts is what should be on the ads

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Except she's not actually a biker, her copy is.

if you want a biker look no further than Yo

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What a cute little murder machine.

Cause Ishikawa's a nerd and Boma's an unpretentious guy

No, no, the ads should be ON the hi-cut butts; that way everyone will see them as they walk down the street, shaking them hypnobutts.

More like söyberpunk

I think this looks kinda cyberpunk and in the same vein as that

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And here Motoko is looking feminine, chic, paramilitary and like a Sengoku era retainer in this little number.

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she's all about justice!

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The Calico is indeed a perfect example of grade A aesthetic perfection.

Even if the magazines are really annoying and the sight arrangement is stupid. But that just makes it cooler.

this too

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>outta the way, intelligence services fucking shits!

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Nice police brutality. That's something that needs to be stressed. You gotta have your loose cannon cops who need the system in order to go after the bad guys and give them the right to blow a creep away, but always skirt the line between law enforcer and vigilante.

agreed it looks like the guns you see in a comic and think "that doesn't look practical" but the troopers are still dropping enemies with it while firing from the hip

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Indeed, it's so cheap and disposable looking and those lines are fantastic. I love how it looks; absolutely the weapon of cheap security, gang members, goons and more.

BUT OF COURSE THEY FUCKING RUINED IT.

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they keep gettin worse

You see this? THIS is what updating cyberpunk to be Apple stores and 2019 molten bubble cars looks like.

lovely pattern there

never been a fan of the muzzle sticking out though, looks less brutal

Ain't no one got time for spooks. Just ask Deunan!

I know right?! I was searching up the rifle for a pic and saw this pic and just thought nooooooooooo! I like the idea of a hollow stock but the rails ruined it.

is dirty pair cyberpunk?

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Also Motoko, being a babe can even make baggy trousers look good.

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What model Sun Blade is that, and is that a Motorola modem?

under Adam Warren's pen, 100%

I think the original is still in production.

No, it's pulpy sci-fi in the same vein as Lensmen and Star Wolf.

Hi-cut is for fags who like their women to look like men.

It looks fucking great.

this to me has a near dark future look to it. Cold war yet 40k for some reason

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Ironically LA feels way more like Blade Runner than 2077 these days, especially with the way below average temperatures and above average rainfall we've been having this year. Also ramen places springing up everywhere, everything overcrowded and gross, chinks buying up everything, synth music everywhere, etc.

Boy you are on a tear today, huh?

t. discord trannie trying to blur the basics of the female form to help himself pass.

topkek too true user.

Nice! Looks like a decent plinker

Look at the chompers on this little toko. Wonder if you can have teeth aesthtic options in 2077. No biggie if you can't, but I think they were in one of the chromebooks.

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this one, absolutely. Got that autogun look

Nah.

I've always thought the CETME-L had a real '80s retrofuturistic look to it, like one of the made-up guns in GITS or something that'd be in Aliens.

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relevant

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Don't put your hand too close unless you want it nibbled.

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the major is very aggressive

do not touch

do not feed after midnight

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Totally. I can see a bunch of gangers carrying these patrolling the dark alleys of their turf then going up against enforcers armed with these thats one tasty aesthetic gun. Would blend in with Kyle Reece in the Terminator

fuck yes

I'm seeing the Aliens look, not so much GitS

Yeah, it's great aesthetically. You can just see some coporate merc unit trudging through the sprawling dilapidated tower estate on a debt enforcement operation against a recently bought out chain with these, facing not only coporate opposition but indigenous resistance.

Or is it? Or is there even a difference at this point?

S'got a bit of a space vietnam look to me

Yeah, Shirow's firearm aesthetic didn't really have the chunkiness and structural ribbing of the CETME.

no way these are a legal augmentation

Altered Carbon was fucking great.

Space Vietnam is good, or more suitably Future Vietnam you need all kinds of hellish border wars and police actions to produce hardened vets to be grizzled and tough for the cyberpunk future, especially in South America and such.

Honestly nobody is saying don't have any sun, but isn't the idea of a megacity that the sun is blocked by haze and giant buildings? Also the source material itself says that it's dark and rainy a lot of the time.

I just find it weird people shit on nu star wars for trying so hard to subvert expectations but fellates this for the same.

it was a bit more sleek yeah

It might look worse but at least you can get it in 10mm now.

i'mma touch and I'mma feed her biscuits and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

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or is it indeed, thats the question

Theres biotics, in GTA theres no biotics.

None of that matters since it looks like shit and we haven't even gotten to downgrades that they will be making after they delay it to late 2030.

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People shit on nu-wars for its failure to subvert expectations in an interesting way. Not for subverting expectations in general.

And this isn't a subversion

It doesn't subvert expectations though. There's going to be night time, shadowed districts, weather and more.

dont forget the agram

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stop pretending to believe those things

oh shit, I forgot AKIRA has about half the time scenes with sunlight. Guess it ain't cyberpunk then.

what a stupid design for a gun.

>seething this hard

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Tell me did you really skim read through all the material to try and find things to shitpost with, whether in conext or not?

Plus

>Gibson

1. He's pissed anytime anyone does anything based on his stuff and 2. He liked the demo footage.

that's the stuff

desu akira doesn't really feel like cyberpunk, there seems to be more of a problem with the government than corporations

gunblades are always stupid

the question is: does it look cool?

BUT GITS ISN'T CYBERPUNK!!

>Cyberpunk always has to be against corporations.

Since when? One of the big obstacles in Neuromancer for example were the Turing cops, a UN funded international government body.

Except Night City is in Nor Cal and some of the shots look exactly like cyberpunk Sacramento/Stockton.

Looks really cool. Also getting excited about the idea of a city-RPG

>akira doesn't really feel like cyberpunk

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I recall there being some stuff that was sorta similar in some of his really old work but it's hard to find anything now, searching for anything related to Shirow and guns just turns up the same few things over and over again, mostly airsoft replicas and props from the Hollywood movie.

This feels like porn.

get outta here, troper

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Its a pretty big theme in nearly all cyberpunk media
It doesn't.

One thing I think people keep missing is that the whole downtown area is actually sunken into the ground, you can see in some of the concept art that the buildings are like twice as tall as they look in most of the ingame stuff we've seen. I think it'll be plenty dark once you're down in that pit surrounded by buildings.

>Hollywood movie.

Get outta here with that crap; that had nothing to do with Shirow's aesthetic and technical design.

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what doesn't feel cyberpunk about literal teenage biker gangs doing psy-enhancing drugs and using future bikes and a laser canon?

I already reported it

>nearly all.

List five. Plus in a lot of cyberpunk works, government/corporate has merged. OPC runs the cops. I work for Dick Jones.

he's just saying that's what turns up on google

Did you mean "one kid getting experimented on" and "one kid having a fancy bike" and "lasers showing up at the very end"?

based

Good good.

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Why would they not show that then? Megacities are such a huge part of the media, to not show it is so retarded.

Yeah but it has to be based in some vision of the future based on the present
Cyberpunk stories are ultimately meant to be cautionary to some degree

which makes it dark scifi

combined with the fact that they're punks, that makes it feel like what it is: cyberpunk

>year 2500 something
Fucking brainlets, how are you imagining to achieve this in a 60 years? 2077 will be like 2019, but with more electric cars, more ads, stranger clothes and some kind of mobile functionality without smartphone-like device.

Nobody can suppress the truth just by reporting pictures: Motoko is a headpat slut!

>Mike Pondsmith
Oh no no no...

Quick dicorbros, how will we deflect this one?!?1?

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And it's fucking SHIT. Uninspired as fuck and awful looking.

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I think that CDPR will drop a nighttime trailer with all the cliches people want shortly before the release to get even more hype

that's not cyberpunk it's just dystopian fiction.

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You actually see it a bit in some of the gameplay/trailer footage and it was really easy to see on the big background thing they had in their E3 booth. My guess for why we haven't seen it more would be that the game isn't optimized enough yet and those areas would probably have shit framerates and maybe not look very good yet.

WE GET ARAB MONEEEEEEEEEEEEEY
ARAB MONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY

>it has to be based in some vision of the future based on the present
Says who?
>Cyberpunk stories are ultimately meant to be cautionary to some degree
says who?
also wow I guess cautionary tales written in antiquity can't be cautionary anymore huh?

Why the fuck do you nuCyberPunk fags come in here and distort the definition of CyberPunk. It's not a fucking aesthetic it's a literary theme involving technological dominance and transhumanism. Why do so many zoomers think they are god and can just come in and relabel everything shitting and jizzing their ignorance all over it all?

By actually having played Cyberpunk 2020, by having read all of the stuff, by realising that you can't have a 24 hour day/night cyle in a game without sunlight and by Mike saying he's really enjoying what CDPR is doing and also knowing he's inconsistent as fuck and just writes/says what he thinks is cool at that time?

why didn't they just start with what people want instead of trying to subvert my expectations and shit? Tired of all this foreplay, just give the audience what they want. They're the ones buying your product.

the fuck is this

back off, faggot

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And these suckers will buy it hook line and sinker and forget the gameplay issues which are the real problems. I would screencap your post but it's so easy pointing out how stupid these children are there's not even any point.

Pondsmith is just setting the tone in that text, the sourcebooks do mention daytime and even sunshine in actual setting descriptions

It's both, you fucking idiot

oh wait you're actually pretending to hold that opinion in order to cause unrest

It's an MP5 in a stupid future case.

Oh and here's Scarjo's pistol. It's a glock with some weird squiggles on it.

What? Serburo? Nah. Too much work.

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They didn't do anything subversive. You just don't know what cyberpunk is.

They should just have an aug that lets you set the time for yourself, like AR shit.
Make autistic sun fags happy

I hope you can fuck fullrobots like in the picture

They have a really narrow and distorted idea of what Cyberpunk is, most of it gained secondhand, and got themselves all wrapped up in their own image of what they wanted the game to be and then were disappointed by what it actually is.

And Neuromancer is a giant piece of shit. Coincidence?

you aren't "people", your expectations aren't people's expectations

when roman empire crumbled, 1000 years elapsed before europe discovered sanitation again.
India will turn into super power in the future, they already strenghtened designated shitting street practice and will export their superior shitting tech.

Not it's not both. The "aesthetic" constraints are literally a post 2000s distortion created by nostalgia fags. No one in the 90s thought cyberpunk had to have a neo noir 80s vibe to it. It's literally children and nostalgica young adults that internalized shit incorrectly.

They don't necessarily even know when they're going to release the game. It would be dumb to get mad hype now when everyone will forget it. If they release the super hype trailer just before the game, it's more effective because the trailer is still fresh in mind when you can buy the game.

The daytime trailer still got people talking and basically everyone outside of Yea Forums and Gibson thrilled.

Ghost in the Shell isn't cyberpunk
Blade Runner isn't cyberpunk
Deus Ex isn't cyberpunk
Blame! isn't cyberpunk
Cyberpunk the TTG isn't cyberpunk
Cyberpunk 2077 isn't cyberpunk

I mean come on.Get Tokyo Marui, ask them to make some empty moulds of the Seburo stuff, find a prop gun and fit it inside. Don't do this.

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>beautiful human
proof?
>capitalist greed
ahhh there we go,thanks comrade

Yeah, that was kind of my point. I was complaining that I couldn't find much else when looking for actual old manga and anime guns.

On a side note, one of the guys on /k/ actually owns several of the props from the movie. They're not really GITS but they're actually cool props when seen in detail.

>Thats a good one! lets go with that!

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>Says who?
The stories themselves where they depict a future that is plagued by gross inequality, all manner of horrors and insecurity due to technological advancement and the breakdown of traditional social systems.
It's an aspect of all sci-fi stories to some degree, an exploration of the benefits, but more importantly, the potential drawbacks of various advancements in technology (both of the physical mechanical variety but also the social and economic variety).
Cyberpunk just happens to focus in on a couple of issues and how the affect society (specifically, the simultaneous increase in individual autonomy as well as individual insecurity as a result of rapid technological innovation).

>show sunlight in all the trailers and promotional material to draw in people who just want something for their GTA fix
>but then show moody dark lighting and rain and noodle carts for all the hardcore fans to prove that they're "real cyberpunk" long after that ship sailed a long time ago

oh sweetie.

>edgy socialist teen tries to shove their views into another medium
dont expect much user

>technological dominance and transhumanism
>literary theme.

Neither of these are true. While both are featured heavily in cyberpunk fiction, they're also featured in countless other sci-fi works. Cyberpunk is different in that it focuses on the seedier aspect of society, features heavy usage and focus on network and information technology and is limited to a near future setting. If what you say is true, then R.U.R. is cyberpunk, which it definitely is not.

I want to manhandle motoko and fondle her lady bits

Ghost in the Shell is cyberpunk.
Blade Runner isn't.
Deus Ex is cyberunk.
Blame! isn't.
Cyberpunk 2020 and 2077 are cyberpunk.

A lot of people in this thread share something in common with Motoko.

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You have autism. I simply stated those two constraints to filter out all the retards talkinga bout the visual aesthetic, which btw you did nothing to refute you god damn idiot.

I don't remember asking this strong of a dose of disillusionment.

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What's RUR?

It's an aspect of all stories that involve violence and conflict, if you're going that way.

Or, more realistically, in a lot of cyberpunk stories it's just a cool backdrop to write action and horror

Pretty sure Bubblegum Crisis wasn't trying to say anything about social issues, otherwise they wouldn't have made being a lowlife so comfy-looking, and they wouldn't have let a rich corporation owner be one of the protagonists

it's just that it's a convenient way to reproduce the "dark lord in his castle vs heroes from different backgrounds" theme

Ahah! She's one step ahead of you! She got a barbie doll cooch.

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i disagree

the visual aesthetic is important

the point is: sticking to the conceptual themes of cyberpunk is not an excuse to ditch the aesthetic

Surely I can have her install an onahole feature to simulate a nice meaty snatch?????

only makes it easier to fondle

The visual aesthetic can change and indeed does throughout various works both literary and visual. Why refute something meaningless? And how very droll, why am I autistic? Is it because I made a post countering your assumptions? You can find those themes throughout science fiction and even further into other genres. They're not inherently cyberpunk and their presence doesn't mark a work as cyberpunk either.

>the visual aesthetic is important

Wow look how amazingly constructed your defense of the point is compared to your last post. Fuck off.

how puffy?

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The literary work that created both the idea of gentically engineering clone workers and of robots. It's a seminal science fiction work from the early 20th century and was the work that coined the term robot in modern parlance.

What fucking assumptions? Literally nothing I said was false. You accused me of being too vague. Also

>The visual aesthetic can change and indeed does throughout various works both literary and visual

We aren't in disagreement you self-important retard.

I coined a new term.
I call it night punk
It features people wearing trench coats, flickering street lamps and NO SUN.

I don't need a defense, you're just not providing an attack. You're just saying "cyberpunk has these things"
okay
doesn't mean it shouldn't also have what I'm talking about

This. It's got to be noted that a good number of cyberpunk works don't really have a meaningful message, but are just about having a good time and smashing shit up. Which is far more punk than all this nonsense about politics.

Cyberpunk during the day is missing the point of the setting entirely.

It would be like a WoD game set entirely during the day, realistically it makes sense that there is a day and night cycle but thematically it clashes too much with the ideas and the parable of having god like ambition with no morality to balance it out.

The problem here is that CDPR's grasp of the setting is really bad, like a DM who wants to railroad his players instead of actually having fun.

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Puffy enough to squeeze snd sink my fingers into

Have it be adjustable so you can increase the puffiness from slightly to full on mochi.

nothing, its a uninspired piece of shit

why would they hire that nigger hack instead of consulting real cyberpunk with creators of altered carbon i wonder

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Okay, so Robocop is missing the point of cyberpunk entirely

You jumped in the middle of an exchange i was having with another user. My apologies. Wasn't talk about you. But I will say your "Cyberpunk can nbe this because tons of ill informed people view it that way" defense is weak as fuck.

Genres are always more or less vague, CP2077 can be cyberpunk even if you don't find the tone or visual style to your liking. It's not so serious because belonging to a certain genre says nothing about the quality of a work.

>It would be like a WoD game set entirely during the day
yeah, with Nosferatu PCs, for example.

Living in the sewers, hiding from the sun and from the sight of mortals

Oh wait

robocop is just a popcorn sci fi action flick though. There isn't much going on under the hood other than revenge porn.

Is this post bait? The TV show was fucking terrible and the book was mediocre.

>Self important.

Says the user getting angry about my posts. And your assumption was clear in your post.

>distort the definition of CyberPunk. It's not a fucking aesthetic it's a literary theme involving technological dominance and transhumanism.

Boom, right there. That's not inherent to cyberpunk. Furthermore, speaking of self important, you're the one defining 'true fans' of the genre while getting key parts of it wrong. I ain't trying to be important, I'm just pointing out that you're a bit mistaken, and trying to act like you're better than "nuCyberPunk fags" when it's celear you don't know what the genre is about is a bit silly. Swearing and calling others autistic is also a bit much, don't you think?

oh I thought that was your point, that you were saying "cyberpunk can be allowed to have a shitty modern aesthetic because it has happened"

There is no visual aesthetic. The thing you're thinking of is an aesthetic that was defined long after the genre was created, by people who had nothing to do with creating or defining it and who had very little understanding or knowledge of the genre in general.

it certainly has cyberpunk themes whether you like it or not, it has got your evil corporations, technology merging with man and whatnot

cyberpunk can also be dumb popcorn action btw

A cyberpunk popcorn scifi action flick

>the setting.

There's published Cyberpunk adventure modules that take place during the day or have parts of them during the day. Many sourcebooks discuss weather, daytime conditions and more.

>It's been over half a year with zero news
It's dead, Jim.

I already addressed why I said that and you already admitted to a degree I was right but it was too vague. Your self importance is evident in your inability to accept the credibility of my statements and that you misinterpreted the post simply because you don't want to. I'm not mistaken by your own admission because I haven't disagreed with anything you said and you haven't refuted a single thing I said. You just keep saying it wasn't specific enough, and I'd agree if we are going to go for maximum accuracy you are more on the nose. Does this satisfy your ego you clown?

Yes there is one.

It was created only a few years after the genre was started, by people who defined it.

Why can't cyberpunk also be an action film?

No, I was saying Night City looks like exactly what it is supposed to look like and people bitching about sunlight are retards.

Robocop is honestly smarter than your average scifi movie, I was surprised when I rewatched it

well to me personally i don't agree with their interpretation of the setting.

oh good

and your disagreement is illegitimate, seeing how little discrepancy there is between the visual aspect of Gibson's writings, and the traditional cyberpunk aesthetic

Gibson didn't create cyberpunk.

Man, the shills are really hard at work, huh.
But isn't it a bit too early? They haven't even announced a date for a teaser for the trailer, and this is CDPR we're talking of here. They'll delay it at lest few times before just giving up and releasing it as is saying that they'll fix it later.

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Guys, ignore the word salad poster, he's just an argumentative idiot. You can see him spamming his verbal diarrhea throughout the thread. Either he has terrible reading comprehension or he's baiting.

He defined a lot of its visual aspect

you can make the thematic stuff go back to Dick, but it was just a small part of his general future conspiracy approach to scifi, it wasn't its own genre yet

>He defined a lot of its visual aspect

No he didn't. You ascribed the definition to his works. He's even gone as far as to condemn people who think this way.

not my fault if he's not that good at conveying an aesthetic that differs from what was defined a couple years after

I think you think I'm multiple people. I only posted that the idea that cyberpunk is defined by "technological dominance and transhumanism" is wrong. I also question cyberpunk as a literary theme. You didn't address either of my points at all but instead just typed the equivalent of screaming at me. The idea that they're constraints is nonsense because they aren't constraints as they're neither unique to cyberpunk nor do they define it. I didn't admit you're right at all in that post and I don't see how I could have admitted it. I'm not talking about the aesthetic, and neither were you in the post I replied to initially. We were discussing the content of cyberpunk stories, not the aesthetics.

Now I believe I have refuted your point because I've pointed out that your defining themes are present in many different genres of fiction, both within sci-fi and beyond. We can go back to Frankenstein and further back indeed to do that, and countless non-cyberpunk works that cover those two areas.

Now I got no ego to satisfy, I don't care if you think whatever. You won, congrats if that makes you feel better, whatever winning means in this context. But you sound like you've got a bruised one judging by how you're not actually engaging what I'm saying and instead are just insulting me.

I'm excited because WItcher 3 was great and the source material is great and combining the two could be really great, but at the same time, fuck California, fuck the sun, fuck blue sky, fuck outdoors environments. I don't like any of that shit. Things existing outside is not cyberpunk. Daylight is not cyberpunk. In the middle of the day it should still be so dark it's almost midnight.

That's not what you said in that post though. If you think that's what you said, you better re read what you posted. You didn't mention aesthetics once there.

>You didn't address either of my points at all but instead just typed the equivalent of screaming at me.

Why would I address them individually when your assertion was that I was too vague then went on to clarify and I agreed with it? Unlike you I have integrity and I'm not here to argue just to argue. You claim to be above petty squabble yet I've already typed this out several times and I guess you don't look big enough or something? I don't know. Why are you still trying to argue with someone who doesn't disagree with you?

just gonna point this out, just in case:
arguing to defend your ego doesn't mean you're wrong

robocop nails the corporate aspects of cyberpunk better than anything else.

You were vague because cyberpunk is far more tightly defined than just transhumanism and technology dominating man or society which you didn't agree with, you just went on a tirade about aesthetics which had nothing to do with your post. If you agrree with that, great. But then why did you post that if you didn't agree with it?

but the corporate aspect of cyberpunk is just the corporate aspect of the 80s in general, which is what robocop is taking a dig at.

assuming you knew nothing about cyberpunk 2077 being in development and had no fore-knowledge of the setting of any kind and you saw this screenshot for the very first time, you would assume that this is just a neo-80's slum from hollywood films like Escape from New York or something.

And your assumption would be 100% correct, because there's nothing cyberpunk about this screenshot, or game, or setting. It's generic milquetoast neo-80's made popular by hollywood.

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cyberpunk is only about the aesthetic you fucking retards no one cares about the theme (hint: no one means the zoomers who are going to buy the game aka the target audience) so suck it up you deluded faggots
>inb4 retard faggot zoomer

Sorry i was having 2 different convos. You are right. What my ultimate point was was that, while this game looks like shit, it didn't cause any great offense to cyberpunk as a genre through its visual aesthetic. And also visual aesthetic is not as important as newer fans believe.

which is why it's cyberpunk, yes

then it nails cyberpunk 2020 perfectly

oh yeah and it fails at looking like cyberpunk too, this game is garbage lmao

>everything 80s is cyberpunk.
so, carebears is cyberpunk?

Even toko posting can't save this thread.

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3/10

Actually I'd think it's from the slums in Total Recall

which is pretty cyberpunk

So it's an accurate depiction of 2020 which is also cyberpunk.

Good to know.

Ah, i see, you did a fallacy right there, by purposefully omitting the "corporate" and "takes a dig at" part of the previous statement

that's clever

youre a fucking loser spamming cropped manga on Yea Forumss shittiest thread fuck off already

t. american

>which you didn't agree with

This literally never fucking happened. It was in your head. Point to the post where I didn't agree with you.

>you just went on a tirade about aesthetics which had nothing to do with your post

>It's not a fucking aesthetic

Fucking learn to read.

all hope is lost, time to booze

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>just call it bait and i wont have to respond
jump off a building right now

what a sad and wrong post

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I responded 3/10

Cyberpunk 2020 is a goofy and cheesy game in a very 80s way. Even one of the classes is rockerboy. It's not a serious game.

If Pondsmith was a zoomer he would be fellating over Perturbator AMVs of 80s anime OVAs he has never seen

I'm curious, what exactly DO you want things like this to look like? The only images I ever see anybody post when complaining about CP2077 are outdoor shots of endless skyscrapers at night.

Its not true cyberpunk like BladeRunner for example.
>inb4 shitty sun memes and hating on the best cyberpunk movie ever made

which would make him a particularly based zoomer

Its raining dumbass

A love of cyber titties?

Why would I shit on metropolis?

yeah this.

This surge of neo 80's shit just reeks of that le wrong generation type of mentality where people want to go back to a time period that they perceive to be more simple then it really was because they're literally living in the future. They've abandoned reality for mindless sentimentality.

ya know it

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blade runner is tech noir

>You have autism. I simply stated those two constraints to filter out all the retards talkinga bout the visual aesthetic, which btw you did nothing to refute you god damn idiot.

That said, I think you're getting me mixed up. I only posted to that post of yours. I only mentioned aesthetics when you did because aesthetics can shift; the short story 'Cyberpunk' for example is a very clean, late 70s vision of the future conveyed through it, for example, but I was never arguing about the aesthetics at all and I didn't intend to. I'm sorry if I got a bit shirty back but I think you got several strands of discussion mixed up.

If we agree on the whole 'cyberpunk isn't just defined by blah blah blah, but on a tighter set of elements present within multiple works that can explore many different themes' then that's cool. I'm not really interested in the aesthetic discussion because that's very subjective and changes from author to author but generally is in an 80s vision because that's when most of this stuff got written/made/drawn.

Anyway, regardless, s'happy to let it drop eithe way and I don't mean that in anay mocking or silly way.

They want it to be just bladerunner, so endless rainy nights with blue/neon lighting. They're fucking idiots who think "cyberpunk" is just dark rainy neon aesthetic and ignore anything thematic

Reality absolutely should be abandoned or refashioned into the 80s

Is this Cyberpunk?

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Wat a shockingly bad post.

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escapism is a placebo, but a fun one. I think you misunderstood the point.

it's cyberpunk too

the problem isn't that they ignore themes, it's that they ignore every other aspect of the traditional cyberpunk aesthetic, which blade runner is part of.

I wish we could have nice threads about thos game, but apparently they are ruined forever.

I don't even understand the issue.

This. They had a lot of things screwed down right back then. Specially in terms of how gals should look.

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Literally more cyberpunk than a game entitled cyberpunk.

according to Yea Forums, yes

No poor people in sight, no hint of violence or urban decay, so no.

unlike in Cyberpunk 2077

I assume you meant to respond to this And no I didn't get you mixed up. I think you probably just interpreted my frustrated tone and poor diction as hostile and assumed I disagreed. If you read the post you will see I never once literally disagreed with you, I was just clarifying why I set down those markers. Basically what I was saying was common definition from zoomers doesn't even begin to approach the goal posts.

what are you even trying to say?
>robocop and cyberpunk are built on the same ideas of extreme corporations and capitalism but robocop is just a dumb sci fi movie

Is the world governed by oppressive corporations that squeeze the life out of the lower classes? Is their transhumanism?

Shh, shh.

No tears now.

Only Shousa.

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No, it's just an idealized Tokyo with Pokemon in it.

The retro 80s stuff usually misses like 80% of the actual 80s. Even the retrowave music barely sounds like 80s music.

t. 80s synthesizer music enthusiast

perms and high cuts are my shit

im tired of these yoga pants sluts, just give me some leotards

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The weather.

Let's hear it then.
What was your point?

robocop isn't cyberpunk. it's just 80s.

It sounds specifically like certain 80s movie soundtracks.

it's a very narrow aspect of 80s aesthetics but it's close enough.

Nothing

fpbp

Okay so you're trying to say something grossly inaccurate, which you do not actually believe.

imagine not understanding that people can be rich, while still surrounded by poor lowlifes. i mean i really cant imagine being this stupid.

That's what I mean, most of the 80s retro is just idealized cherry picking instead of being genuinely interested in the era. It's more 2010s than 80s

>Okay so you're trying to say something grossly inaccurate
nope. it's not cyberpunk. it's just making fun of the 80s excess/consumerisms.

I must have missed the cyborg police officers back when Reagan was president.

model show for Chrome magazine models that are guarded by corporate security with openly carried automatic firearms.
This is rather fitting for the kind of stuff that would happen in cyberpunk 2020.
Pic very related to this topic.

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>cyborg police officers
2 cyborgs does not make a cyberpunk movie. also daylight was featured in robocop, ergo it cannot be cyberpunk.

Zoomers think that the entirety of the 80's was crated by John Carpenter who made all the VHS tapes himself.

They have zero perspective of anything, with wishy-washy reactions based on nothing at all.

it's genuinely interested in a very narrow portion of that era.

I don't see what's so fraudulent or scandalous about this.
>It's more 2010s than 80s
gonna disagree, I've certainly heard or seen some of it looking/sounding more 2010s but it's not the majority.

Is there anything else I can get into with a movie style Motoko? I tried the manga and without a character like that, it's not as good.

within a violent crime-ridden near-future scifi setting, making it a cyberpunk movie

Do you mean you want something else that has as little character as movie Motoko?

Are you actually saying you prefer this pumpkin to Mangatoko?

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I wouldn't be surprised if this sustained autistic trolling was actually a CDPR employee trying to drum up interest in the game by being as obnoxiously negative about it as possible

pic related is cyberpunk

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I have to hand it to sunbros ITT, you've successfully BTFO all the bladecucks. Very well done. You deserve your victory lap. But I have to ask, now that you've discarded an aesthetic that was universally loved, what have you gained in return? A generic, soulless romp through los angeles with a few androids? Is your contrarianism really enough to convince you to love such a thing?

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I mean I'm not trying to bully anyone for this but I guess it rustles my jimmies when people talk about modern musical movements and think that it's very descriptive of 80s music (I'm not saying that you're necessarily faulty of this, it's just a thing I've met before).

>I've certainly heard or seen some of it looking/sounding more 2010s but it's not the majority.
The production alone is very modern, those thicc huge basses wouldn't have come from the 80s.

IT SUBVERTED MY EXPECTATIONS

IT BROKE NEW GROUND

Yes, she's cool

not with that 1960s-looking chick

>sunbros

Imagine, if you will, an individual who actually doesn't care if there is sun or not. You seem to be misinterpreting what people are saying. Not everything is us vs them. It's just the idea of a cyberpunk aesthetic is historically bullshit and very much a zoomer and late millenial nostalgiafag creation.

I think a few of these people may have actually consumed cyberpunk media and made their conclusions instead of just watching Bladerunner once and listening to Perturbator.

Al newfags in this thread, please kill yourselves. This is part of the Cyberpunk 2020 franchise, not your blade runner lonely boy fap fantasy.

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She is.

I'm gonna recommend you Twilight of the Dark Master. Shijo Tsunami is cool without being very characterful, he's kinda like Motoko.

(mangatoko is cooler though)

is that a house form Millsberry

Is she now?

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back in the 80's it wasn't called neo-80's or cyberpunk, it was just science fiction based on speculative technology after the space race with the Russians and the red scare.

What are we gonna call the science fiction of the 10's? The neo-neo-80's? jesus christ

youtube.com/watch?v=09vVF-Hvykg

it certainly looks dystopean to the lower class servant of that pic

you can also see how the man joins with the machine (all men are touching some sort of machine) and the ever-present oppressive government and rampant consumerism. the woman has been altered technologically so much she barely even looks like the other humans.

You're fucking lying though, the cyberpunk aesthetic was coded very clearly in the 80s and only began mutating in the mid 90s

it's just that people who are mad at the sun have an inaccurate idea of the cyberpunk aesthetic.

No one was calling Robocop neo-80s. I've actually literally never hard of this term before your post. It was called cyberpunk back in the day though, yeah.

I would hardly consider them cyberpunk stories then, just stories that take place in a neon-filled setting.

2smol

BUT IT W A S CALLED CYBERPUNK

Define cyberpunk.

you fucking dummy, AKIRA is one of the seminal works in the whole genre. Stop talking out of your ass

Newfags, please kill yourselves. This is not "cyberpunk" this is Cyberpunk 2077, from the Cyberpunk 2020 franchise.

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This. There were literally reviews of the film when it came out calling it cyberpunk.

And let's not forget

monster energy drink

that guy is literally drinking nuclear waste for the short-lived rush of caffeine that allows him to stay active in his late 50s

Oh nice is this the thread where discord trannies shill the shitty GTA knock off that doesn't get cyberpunk?

> the cyberpunk aesthetic was coded very clearly in the 80s and only began mutating in the mid 90s

That's overlooking the fact that perspectives of the future change overtime. It was not "coded" in anyway, no more than the Jetsons was "retro future." Do you think the creators of the Jetsons were like oh I want to make a retro future cartoon comedy? Fuck no. They thought they were making something super fucking sci fi. The same goes with a lot of people in the 80s. Nothing mutated, there just wasn't a hard aesthetic. Anyone who has been alive since then would know this.

Thanks brother.

Whoever's posting this, can you post more?

ackshyally the name of the franchise is just Cyberpunk (2020 is the second edition and V3.0 the third)

w/XXXtra PUFF please

>there are children unironically excited for this meme game on this board posting with you

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your neologisms are noted but don't reflect reality. sorry.

I'm definitely with you on that, there's outfits out there that would be very suitable but they went with some flavor of the month meme synthwave group instead for the zoomer hype.

Although that said I wouldn't want the music sounding strictly 80s, Detroit techno right through the 90s drew upon cyberpunk themes after all.

Fair enough, though it's much easier to explain this to the newfags that are too dumb to understand this if you word it how I'm wording it.

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degenerates

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Why are Zoomers and late millenials trying to tell older millennials and Xers about cyberpunk purism? Do you guys not know how ridiculous you sound telling people what a decade was like you never even saw?

What do you think cyberpunk is? The term arose four years before Robocop came out. It was a known genre during the 80s. It's not a neologism. It predated Robocop.

Can anyone tell me which janky early 2000s ps2 game this is?

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Why was the first teaser in line with the cyberpunk aesthetic but everything else not?

For once I agree with a s o i pic.

>implying the bottom soijack wouldn't be reacting to both images like this
Reminder cyberpunk is the most cringe and soi setting and solely attracts edgelords and shut in virgins

Newfag, please go find a rope.
Because you suck dicks for a living and a hobby.

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You can drink my seminal fluids you fucking jabroni

He wants it to be like this basically

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More fallacies

The cyberpunk aesthetic had a name.
It was called cyberpunk, to set it apart from what came before.
And it was clearly defined in the 80s

The Jetsons' aesthetic might not have had a name but it was also clearly defined. Something distinct from pre-war scifi, something influenced by pop-art and modernist design.

Both were trying to create something clear and distinctive. Not just generally scifi.

A hard aesthetic in both cases.

Just like Y2K scifi has a very clear aesthetic that borrows heavily from 70s psychedelia with lots of metallic sheens, transparency effects and minimal designs

So basically he's a poser?

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I just want to know which low budget ps2 game is in the photo I posted. Why are you so angry? Do you have some sort of financial stake or obligation in whatever blocky and undefined game I posted?

Why are you so triggered discord tranny?

Post kino cyberpunk gifs

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ITT sunposters making complex arguments about the do's and don't's of cyberpunk as always, yet completely oblivious, as always, to the fact that real artists will keep iterating the genre just as they see best fit and because of that people will keep enjoying the genre in the future instead of decaying and becoming a stale cliche'd soup where everything is always the same

I think that they could easily use a wide variety of music in it, even if they want to keep true to the energetic and action-oriented like the tabletop game. Techno generally would be good, but also industrial and maybe even... punk!

You clearly weren't around in the 80s because cyberpunk was known pretty well in the 80s. Gibson was fairly well known and the phrase was in kinda common parlance. People did call Robocop cyberpunk when it came out in reviews and generally.

Do you eat shit?

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yes

They need to start low so they can dramatically reveal the real cyberpunk later and subvert your expectations.

Like releasing a sequel to a game, you have to devalue your product so you can introduce what people actually want and actually give a shit about much later.

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JET SET RADIOOOO

REMINDER THIS IS NOT REAL CYBERPUNK

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that's not real cyberpunk

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>Now people are trying to pretend cyberpunk didn't emerge in the 80s and the genre wasn't defined in around 1984.

Troubling troubling.

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>posting the uglier version

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>he thinks that's what it's actually going to look like
>he can't see the compression artifacts
Never gonna make it, chummer.

what about that image is cyberpunk?

user, you're not spending your free time getting emotional and defending a 5 dollar basket looking ps2 game? Your mother worries about you

>B-B-BUT WHY ISNT CYBERPUNK 80S THEMED?
It's called cyberpunk 2077, not cyberpunk 2020. It takes place almost 60 years after what you would expect the traditional cyberpunk setting to be, and that's the point and theme of the game's setting.

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pretty sure they're lying specifically to avoid having to admit that 2077 is cyberpunk

Next thing you know they'll start claiming that ONLY Jules Vernes is cyberpunk

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I don't think OP is cyberpunk

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I'm just interested in what ps2 launch title it is

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IT
-I S-
80s-THEMED

This is just normal science fiction.

Please cope.

There's no sunlight under the sea, so yes, Verne IS cyberpunk.

literal brainlet

You seem upset

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>any major city in the world.

That's not how fallacies work buddy. You just stated a bunch of stuff and didn't justify it or rationalize it at all. The jetsons just pulled from popular conceptions of the future at the time as the flintstones did prehistoric eras. The fact you try to deny this is fucking insane. But enough with the ad hom. I can tell you are too young to understand the history of sci fi, not just because of your egregious bullshit you just stated regarding the jetsons, but also because you exhibit a perspective on sci fi that didn't form until the mid 90s when it was clear views were diverging into sub cultures. And this didn't just happen in sci fi. If you went back to the golden era of film (70sish) and told them about "mumblecore" and what not they'd just laugh at you. Cyberpunk back then didn't mean a visual aesthetic. If it were true in the capacity you were suggesting you'd expect a samurai sword in every fucking work. But you don't do you? You have some arbitrary rule about props and set pieces. This is all post 2000s shit.

I know this was made by a sunposter, but it unironically looks like a more exciting setting than GTA5+10 years.

>at 2:30
Missing the most important part lol

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Who else so hyped they pre-ordered, took the day off work, and arranged for their wife to spend the weekend in a hotel downtown to go clubbing with her old high school friends and their black boyfriends?

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is this cyberpunk?

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Well lucky for them Motoko's kids can go underwater!

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>Anything without sunlight is cyberpunk
THE ICE AGE IS CYBERPUNK HOLY SHIT BOYS

if it takes place in 2077 why does it look like their tech is based on 2010's understand of technology and not say, 2020's understanding of technology?

Checkmate apologists

based

what about above the clouds then?

oh no, are those sunbeams I see?

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No, he's saying that the whole city should be like a city at night time, not that it's always 2:30. Is English your second language, or are you just bad at comprehension?

And the pièce de résistance
>THE SUN NEVER SHINES

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Is Jet Set Radio Future cyberpunk?

>set in near future (probably)
>oppressive corporation with its own police force
>huge, neverending city (including nighttime)
>told from the perspective of the oppressed
>technology is ever-present; the main characters use roller blades all the time

I could go on!

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user why are you still so emotional? Did I accidently say something to hurt your feelings about your favourite ps2 game from your childhood? I just and to know what it's called. Please stop crying.

How mochi-like

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>Is English your second language
Ironic because I was pointing out that the city should also be at night time. Nice reading comprehension.

Yes, yes, well done shitposter, well done. you However...

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I love how the source material constantly BTFOs sunposters, but still they sit in denial. Are they all just shills who believe CD Projekt can do no wrong? The same unpaid shills who fellate the Witcher constantly and refuse to accept it had any flaws.

>2013
>op is 2077
what did he mean by this

puff puff

No, there are positive aspects to the JSR/JGR world
Cyberpunk is a dark dead world with crazy eyed lunatics rioting and massive corporations at war with each other

someone make a new thread

But that literally isn't what Pondsmith is saying there. He's saying that it should be dangerous and edgy like a city at night time. Not that it always should be at night.

What are you taking about? I just want to share some epic screenshots of my favourite new game. Can't wait to play as a POC.

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based

2013 is the OG source material
Read the literal next paragraph

OBSESSED

Playing as a Japanese-American delinquent would indeed be nice

If you calm down enough to pull your thoughts and words together please feel free to answer my question

>so smoggy you need filters
So the sun never shines?

>THE SUN NEVER SHINES
What did Pondsmith mean by this?

;)

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I love it how you can tell people who have never even opened a Cyberpunk 2020 rulebook or played a game when they bring up a handful of quotes from Pondsmith and act like that's gospel. Why not try the adventure modules which have a shit ton of scenes described as taking place during the day? Or Night City which describes it as having a pleasant climate with only 21 inches of rain a year (well under US average). Or any of the countless examples of Cyberpunk 2020 artwork showing daytime?

based

smoggy IN THE EARLY MORNING AND EVENING

I am obsessed. Look at this wicked game! It's so cyberpunk

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>against inversion smogs and acid rain fog
He meant that the Sun never shines.

>Misty fog in early mornings and evenings.

You really are just skimming through things just to find stuff to support your Blade Runner fantasies.

That's not what that means you retard lmfao

what does that mean

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>so much acid fog you need protection
>IT DOESN'T COUNT!
Self BTFO?

Pondsmith just writes what he wants, he was a greasy nerd who wanted to roleplay his action movie/scifi fantasies and not some great artist with an accurate vision.

Besides the RPG sourcebooks are more about inspiration and setting some groundwork you can use if you want to, not "canon".

>Early mornings and evening
>Pleasant climate

He means that Cyberpunk 2020 wasn't just written by Pondsmith and that there is a huge amount of material for the game. Which you would know if you actually were familar with the game, had played the game or even had heard of it before 2077 was announced.

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hahahaha

FACT:

A proper cyberpunk wears cool sunglasses

FACT:

you can wear more sunglasses when it's sunny

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Thats a really cute little cafe, 10/10 would get into a firefight with jackbooted corporate security there
>explicitly states that acid fog is really only a problem early mornings and evenings
So by about midday its sunny

You're just pretending to be retarded right? Acid rain is a thing today too. And it says
>only 35% higher than government standards
>if your clothing is above SP12 (poncho) you're fine
Retard.

Keep reading
>acid rain fog

It has soul and style as opposed to boring blandness of what we'll be getting.

And he's said other shit elsewhere, as do other writers who worked on the game.

>marketers and trannies will defend this

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to answer your question, no

Yeah, I've read. I own the fucking book because I've been playing 2020 since 2004.

Kill yourself newfag. Nobody will miss you if you're this much of a shit cunt about already established lore that is being posted in this thread for you to read.

>explicitly states that acid fog is really only a problem early mornings and evenings
>misty white fog mornings and evenings
>misty white
>smog or acid rain
Am I dealing with retards or?

uh oh user you're making an epistemological argument there

reformat and try again

Plus how can you have a drinking party outside by the shrine if it's dark?

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OK guys let's post some real cyberpunk

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Probably a tranny instead of a marketer. Trannies are quick to anger.

>Get BTFO by source material
>I-it doesn't count
Ok GG I had fun.

There's only 21 inches of rainfall. Some of it will be acid. 21 inches isn't much.

It's just going to be GTA5 with even more bullet sponginess because it's an epic RPG and a techno soundtrack isn't it?

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William Gibson is just salty they went to pondsmith over him

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>one paragraph says its always rainy and smoggy
>another paragraph from the same book says its foggy in the mornings and only rain 21 inches per year
Could it be that Pondsmith just wrote whatever sounded cool and nothing actually matters?

This plus le epic stronk wimmenz

IIRC one of the CP books says that your character should wear sunglasses while doing stuff simply because it makes them cooler

Reminder from different thread.

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what's wrong, discord trannie? Not enough moeblobs for you to self-insert as?

>CP books
user...

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>Gets BTFO by other sourcematerial.
>Refuses to acknowledge it.
>Also refuses to acknowledge that this a video game set in an open world and 24 hour time, so having it all be at night wouldn't work, unlike at a tabletop setting.
>ALSO ignoring the fact that CDPR has said there will be weather, there will be rain and SEEING THAT THERE WILL BE NIGHT.

So tell me about your last 2020 campaign.