Thoughts?

>go on classicdb
>read bullet points
>make a video out of it
Classic WoW content is fucking shit, I hope it gets better when the game actually releases.

max level*

not playing it because why the fuck would i give blizzard money?

>MMO
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>WoW
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>WoW Classic
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How would you score hunter?
I was considering playing one but 5 and 3 feels like a big why.

What are the top 3 classes for farming gold, and where do they do it?

Based.

>new anti bully system phases you into instance with no newbie players

>What are your Classic plans?
Take advantage of content Actually Working and do the kind of quests that tend not to work (well) on private servers, that kind of stuff. Then proceed to raidlog and kill Kel'Thuzad with as little time investment as possible. If classic is followed up with TBC or new content, level up a bunch of classes that might be useful and gear them up in split runs.

mage will be very enjoyable in vanilla

>make sick gold from portals and water
>aoe farming
>wanted in dungeons for cc
>nuke nigs in pvp

its a no brainer for me. It will be a fun experience.

This shit legit happened with me
I played on Nost and I went for Full Dungeon set to look cool as fuck and during an UBRS run I fucking out dps a guy who was wearing fucking "Pre raid BiS" shit
I fucking hate modern vanilla player mindset

>want to play dps
>want to make gold easily
>want to be strong in at least wpvp
>want to be reliable and versatile, invited to groups because i know autistically about what i'm doing - i don't right now but i want to learn every nook and cranny as i go
What classes suit me?

mage

warlock or mage

Get 60 rogue, gank people in stormwind.

Gonna make a dorf paladin and no-life it for as long as is fun to do so

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Mage
>top tier DPS
>#1 gold farmer unless they fix/remove it, even without it probably very high
>lots of tools to win in unfavorable situations in wpvp, solo or grouped
>best CC for dungeons, make water and food, good buff for healers and other mana users
You always want a mage.

Min/maxing guide obsessive try harding has been the mindset since at least late vanilla.

definitely mage. groups LOVE mages for that water/food and polymorph cc.

PoM Pyro'ing people in wpvp is the greatest feeling in classic wow.

and you literally can sit in a capital city and shit gold from your portal and water spells.

Mage, warlock, hunter and rogue are my main interests actually.
Thing is my bro is playing a mage so two seems a little unmecessary?
How do these 4 classes compare/differ?

you want too much and mage is the only class that fits your needs

mage is the best class in classic for everything

I don't think I asked for too much?
Just to elaborate I could also mention how great it is to solo elites, sustain myself, able to do other roles, fast traveling, ease to play etc but these aren't as important.
But thank you.

Apart from tanking, or healing, or levelling, or PvP

I like mage but damn dude

Depends on what you want from the game, warlocks are like less useful mages but you get fun spells to dick around with. I'd avoid rogues since
>>want to be reliable and versatile, invited to groups because i know autistically about what i'm doing - i don't right now but i want to learn every nook and cranny as i go
will never happen. Rogues bring nothing but DPS.

That is a good point.

So between mage, warlock and hunter, mage might win out in a ways. But with my bro already playing mage, would I do best with warlock or hunter? At least both are easy to level.

Orc warrior, same as what I played back in 2004-06
I'll take herb/alc while leveling for health pots; combine with food buffs and first aid and leveling should be a little easier. Respec engineering at 60.
Get 60, grind pre raid BiS as tank group lead, and become a melee dps chad and occasional tank in raids.

Gonna level a mage and enjoy being far and away the best class in the game.

Of course players didn't deliberately gimp themselves back in the day, but there's entire categories of optimization that are nowadays taken for granted but that, at the time, would have been unthinkable even for top guilds.

>C'thun was the first time it even occurred for guilds to flask everyone. Nowadays people might expect you to take even the most trivial of advantages, even when doing farm content where success is guaranteed no matter what and time spent in preparation is an order of magnitude greater than time savings
>It wasn't until SWP when you started seeing setups that weren't complete garbage. Even as late as ICC, world first contending guilds might not have had room to flex their setups too much (see: Ensidia using warrior MT despite them being obviously inferior). Nowadays, even if optimal setups for content were not known in advance, modern players would gear up a bunch of alts in split runs and be capable of fielding an optimal setup even for encounters requiring extreme class stacking
>Even top guilds often used loot systems like DKP or "Kungen gets everything he wants" kind of loot council (even if it's not tanking gear), distributing loot in incredibly suboptimal manner. Nowadays any respectable guild uses an unbiased loot council, and gear up substantially faster on top of that by doing split runs
>Whatever pre-raid BiS lists might have existed in 2006 were wrong due to poor theorycrafting standards of the time. Nowadays people can eke out superior performance even with pre-raid gear because they actually know how to play

I just wanna immerse autistically. What are viable class-race combos for literally no purpose other than giving the impression that it's probably a chill, competent, quiet player?

i don't watch 3 minutes shit of listening to retards

Dwarf anything. Though to be honest the players that always stood out the most to me were the ones that played race/class combos that were stereotypically full of shitters but managed to be great guys anyway, like a good nelf hunter.

>sheep > cast pyro > pom pyro > fire blast > cone of cold

mage is the best overall dps class precisely because it stacks the best. no one is ever going to utter the words "we have too many mages" in any situation.

i want to play classic but am worried it's just gona be 100% minmax autists from buggy pservers and streamers.

I don't know if i could stomach wow if the community was this modern era one.

>20 mages + 20 randomsraids in some weekends running all of vanilla
that was the most fun i got in the game

I'm just thinking that another groupwide buff or nice CC could help.
Then again... I suppose two mages mean double the Frost Nova and double Poly.

>been playing warrior and getting absolutely dumpstered in wpvp as I level

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It's going to be way worse than that. It's going to be retards like Staysafe and Alexfaggot who think they're minmax elitist autists but are just straight up garbage at the game.

rogue have that stuff i forgot the name but can't re-apply
and before they ruined the game you could poly to prevent cast too

I'm tied between Paladin and Hunter. My goal is to be entirely autonomous, since I'm autistic and do best as solo (but of course be part of a guild and raid). I don't have any friends, so I need to be completely self-reliant in grinding for gold, wpvp, etc. Problem is Hunter seems the obvious choice but not very desired for raidslots. A big reason for hunter is also as it was my first character. Paladin is my favorite out of lore/aesthetic reasons, and I genuinely enjoy the 1 button heal spam lifestyle. But it's less viable solo.

I looked into Druid also but I don't want to end up as too overstretched in my class knowledge. Feel stupid in doing that instead of focusing on one class. But I liked druid tanking while levelling and at 60 can do 5 man tanking for pre-BiS too. They're also lorekino with their background in WC3 as Druids of the Claw.

Wat do?

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Don't worry, if there's one thing in this world you can count on it's Blizzard's audience being full of the most retarded people imaginable.

You're a free HK to anyone except shitty rogues and shamans.
Grind green mobs or mobs at least below your level away from the high traffic areas.

>modern vanilla player
it's a modern player in general I'd say, no matter the game
we've collectively gotten too "smart" for this shit

>be fucking autismo
>can't cast magic in real life so i can't immerse with any class aside warrior, rogue or hunter (they use mana but not exactly magic, just special tools)
>what do

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Go Hunter. Sure a raid doesn't take as many, but they are still required and over time the amount of good hunters diminishes really quickly. Plus the best time to play hunter is early on since they're so strong in early content. Your damage hasn't really been outpaced by everyone else yet and you can shred shit in pvp with minimal effort, plus your T1 set is really good and the MC weapon is a 50% drop every run.

Play a mage.

I wanna play druid but can't be a troll so I guess I'm not playing druid

>not intellectual and don't care about reading books and shit so can't play mage
>not a strong raging chad so can't play warrior
>not a sneaky jew so can't play rogue
etc

You get a nice taste of 60 when you get your whirlwind axe if you can get it early enough.

I would only recommend a warrior for someone who really makes a lot of connections and friends in game. A warrior combined with a paladin can potentially take on 3-4 players.

By yourself though unless you can obliterate them via gear your going to get farmed.

Just go hunter. If you're not a shitter you can keep your raid spot after MC/BWL as the designated pull slut.

I think i'm going to buy classic wow from a company that didn't make it and try not to choke on the shame of cucking so hard to the company that takes down your private server so that they may profit off someone elses work.

the whirlwind axe really isn't that amazing like yeah it's a good weapon but you don't get whirlwind for a few more levels, pummel until 38, mortal strike and plate until 40

warriors are a fucking joke unless they have casters supporting them and are by far the slowest class to come online during leveling

MLG pro pvpers will pick rogue/mage/lock/priest
Keyboard flailing sissy boys will pick warrior and wonder why they are getting lv1 frostbolt kited, bleed deadzoned, and blanket silenced.

Mages are actually rather shitty in PVP as long as they have bad gear, but with BWL/NAxx stuff and engineering theyre completely OP.
Hunter is probably the worst class for group pve and pvp, but if you just want to survive and deal damage in AV or dick around with slow effects and not play frostmage for some reason, its a reasonable pick.

while hunter is amazing for solo its also pretty popular since its an easy leveler so it can be hard to get into guilds and raids if you are autismo and cant make friends, paladins on the otherhands are highly desired for raids and they can aoe farm really well so they probably out do hunters in pure gold making but what they can farm is much more limited

Fury warrior has fucking stupid dps @ 60 though.

This

Dwarf hunter is good for shitting on rogues. Stoneform breaks all poisons(blind is a poison) and bleeds.

Only mages can arguably outfarm hunters.

Hunters can solo Mara for easy money iirc.
You are correct in saying that pally are far more desired for raids, but you have to be a healslut. No idea how efficient pally grinding is, I've only played horde.

I'd go a step further. As a warrior especially, you want to grind green mobs. Despite losing around 25-30% exp(I don't know the exact numbers), you kill them much much faster and you lose far less health, making you less vulnerable in world pvp or wandering npcs.

going to be playing WoW seriously for the first time (other than a free trial I tried a few years ago), I might play dwarf warlock because they look cool, anything I should know?

Er, I meant to specify grind green mobs that are almost grey to you.

You should know dwarf warlocks don't exist in vanilla.

What class is fun in vanilla bros?

Good thing for rogues that they can pick their fights since theyre invisible, and hunter shits on rogues anyway, theres no need to go dwarf just for the matchup. Tauren stomp and hp bonus and elf invisiblity make them better races imo for pvp.

Literally all of them are fun.

Frost mage is pretty easy, you're jewy as fuck in pvp and can aoe grind.

Rogues and druids are jewy as fuck as well, because stealth allows you to skip most npcs and players you don't want to fight.

Shadow priests(especially undead) hit really hard and get a lot of survivability out of vampiric embrace.

Oh frick
What warlock races are there then and what dwarf classes are there?

What's YOUR favorite leveling zone in terms of comfiness, atmosphere, and overall how enjoyable it is?

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PvE: Warrior. Literally the only class with two viable raid roles (barring the 1 shadow priest and MAYBE feral druid you'll see in raids post AQ).
For PvP: Druid. Highest skill cap for PvP especially world PvP in my opinion.
Therefore, roll Druid.

The thing is, being invisible doesn't stop most rogues from being brainlets, so they pick fights with their worst match ups anyways. I'd stoneform is just really damned good, being able to wipe poison based dots/slows and bleeds is a lot of effective HP and cc protection in one package. 1% more hp is nice, but at 60, how much is that? Less than a single poison/bleed.

>shadow priest
>viable in raid

top lel

>frick

out. wrong webzone, junior

>go on classicdb
>read bullet points

So many creators are guilty of that. Some can get away with it like that Huzzah dude who lists rare mobs per zone but I'm disappointed in most videos I've seen so far. I honestly watch most of them for the atmosphere (music/visuals).

Definitely duskwood my man

Gonna have to say Feralas tbqh. Murdering Ogres while listening to a podcast there is maximum comfy.

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Silverpine Forest. Less annoying chat, some decent story and lore to read up on, and the quest line to take out the evil wizard dude on the fortress island is fun. Also it is home to my favorite instance boss, Arugal. I really feel like that guy should have gotten more screen time.

Hinterlands is top comfy desu

Tauren get 5% and the stomp is incredibly valuable for any class, but especially for one that has a deadzone

>not buffing your warlocks that have AQ40/Naxx gear
Why do you hate warlocks, user?

I will be a gnome warrior or Dwarf ret pally me and my lil bro are gonna kick it together as a warrior/priest combo. I hope you anons will also rekindle with your siblings over our greatest time.

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>favorite
Hard to say, but probably Feralas or Hinterlands
Also, badlands, blasted lands and silithus.

Yeah that's basically what I've been doing. Just sucks how much it slows down in the late 40s, especially as a warrior.

Yeah I picked it up at 30 or 31, and it carried me through a fight with a same level Lock thanks to huge crits. And yeah, I'm hoping I can get some friends to play Classic with me when it hits.

Agreed. I think some of the best xp/hour I've gotten was grinding the dudes in Angor Fortress (who are like 37-39) on my way to 44 or 45. Made a webm 'cause I was bored on a flight path. At 49 now though, and I've yet to find a spot quite as good.

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This seems like a lot of fun but to seal the deal it needs to progress through Burning Crusade into the end of Wrath of the Lich King

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Because shadow weaving takes a debuff slot and only counts towards shadow, mindflay takes a spot, SW:P takes a spot, shadow cant use mindblast and has shit manareg, so theyre basically stuck spamming MF constantly and still going oom which is really shitty. You would prolly need 5 warlocks to make up for the shadow dragging your raid down to make some degree of sense, but then again you could just let superior mages do the job and forget about shadow/wl damage altogether

What is the class with the least amount of buttons to have to press? long story short I only have one hand is why I'm asking

I used to hate it back in retail but over the years Darkshore has really grown on me. Tons of quests grouped together pretty nicely, some cool lore, nice and serene atmosphere.

Thousand Needles.
Many an hour grinding out quests at 25-28 then returning at 32+ for Shimmering Flats and the inevitable returns for the quests that send you to STV and back.

Only if it's a choice. Otherwise it'll die. Classic/Vanilla is the most popular stage of WoW by far and I for one won't play if vanilla disappears again.

why is this retard detracting from pure dps classes' scores to say that they're "roll limited"

that's literally the fucking point of them

It's literally impossible for me to say. I love so many of them it's easier for me to think of ones I don't like.

Dun Morogh will always be top tier for me. Best friend and I playing our dwarves in the snow, listening to that amazing music, going to IF for the first time.I tear up just thinking about it.

I also have a special love for Azshara, but it's not really a leveling zone.

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Play a healer.

Yeah I feel like I should have clarified that it wouldn't be forced

No, classes are not "balanced". Saved you 19 minutes of u toob shit.

few things to realize about the rebirth of classic that will kill it quickly:

1. too many undead rogues
2. too many human warriors
3. guild elitism

Its short but i love dun morough

>min/max in an easy game
just be yourself

>entirely autonomous
>do best as solo

>worries about raid spots

Either or, friend. Without a guild you must rely on pugs although if you're good someone might eventually scoop you up. Hunters already have few spots in raids as it is.

that shit has been going on in private servers for the past 10 years and it still has not "killed quickly"

fuck off seething retailfag

Dun Morogh, Elwynn, and Duskwood are all top tier for me. Ashenvale is up there too. I can't pick favorites for shit.

Redridge mountains.
Who dwarf pally here?

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Yeah then I'm all for it. I just want to be able to play vanilla, always. But I also love TBC and I guess WotLK was decent.
It would be a greater incentive to max out an account/characters when you know that there is an end goal, a worth. Continued expansions removed any value in trying to "finish".

>do best solo
>wanting to play an MMORPG that is heavily based around group play

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You are probably correct, but I am seeing it through purple tinted glasses and I loved our S Priest bro. Also we typically had 5-6 warlocks in our raids of AQ40 and Naxx on retail vanilla.

Check out how cluttered a priest's action bars are in vanilla raiding and get back to me.

elemental shaman pvp

>bunch of chinamen, BRs and russians playing a free version
>barely 10k community
>thinking people are going to pay $15/m for this garbage
el oh el

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Doesn't matter how full the bars are, what matters is how many buttons he actually has to press at a fast, regular pace. Healers are piss easy, anyone could play them with one hand and be fine.

I've always played a human warrior as my main, I'm not going to stop now.

>Who dwarf pally here?

Reporting in.

Really liked both Plaguelands as a Ret pally because it meant I could use an extra button or two. Mage I can't remember, Rogue it was Wetlands for scouring for lockboxes and hitting 300 early on the server.

Don't forget your Switch,

tfw gonna lure my kids and wife to be my supportfags and gold farmers and farm 5 man dungeons a ton

>haha people are only playing because it's free hahahaha

(You)

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I don't have one but where does that comparison even come from? If anything human warrior is the "boring" option

>Rogue it was Wetlands for scouring for lockboxes and hitting 300 early on the server.
>Wetlands
>300 lockpicking

why are you talking about vanilla if you've clearly never played it?

>people are going to pay $15 a month
(you)

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its kinda hard to realize that when mom and dad aren't paying for bills
Paying 15$ a month can be alot

Shit man, in PvP I'm struggling to think of a class that can get away with playing with one hand if you must both control movement and cast spells. I take it you have a mouse with ~9 or so macros bound to the side?

You can play any class with one hand. They all operate on the same GCD.

Warrior can map its entire endgame rotation to one button macro iirc

>being so poor you think $15 is a lot of money
holy shit lmao

I'm gonna roll me a Pyro mage and one shot niggers with my macro and there ain't shit you can do about it

>why are you talking about vanilla if you've clearly never played it?

There's a significant roadblock in levelling your lockpicking skills either around 125 or 150 and Wetlands is one of the few, few places where you can level it up without relying on opening things for strangers, especially if it's early in a servers life.

I played on Ely and having 300 lp meant something when majority of Rogues gave up halfway through. Do go fuck yourself, though.

>I don't have one but where does that comparison even come from?
Switch = soiboi
But anyway I've remembered that it's a Classic thread and pre-Cata was only WoW where humans were acceptable choice

Only Blizzcucks play Blizzshit games
Still well pay for a shit remake of vanilla
does your wife get fucked by a black man to?

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How do you play a game so long and still have new ways to come up with dumb shit?

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>Switch = soiboi
Yeah but again, if that's the case why pick the most boring, standard, unimaginative race? Soibois are all about being "unique" and "special". That doesn't scream "human hits things hard with club"

>minmaxing to clear anything pre-naxx
>not having a bear or shaman maintank raids for shits and giggles

>hunter high in leveling but low in pve
>warrior high in pve but low in leveling
AHHH THIS IS FUCKING SUFFERING

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>Hunter is the worst PvP class

Guy who made this has no fucking clue what he's talking about. Well played Hunters cannot be touched by anything.

BS. Hunterchads are 10/10 in ganking lowbies (the only pvp that matters)

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just play the one you enjoy the most, don't worry about that arbitrary shit

Short answer: God, no.

It doesn't matter, though, because nostalgiafags want all of the blatant flaws of vanilla WoW, and modifying it by even the slightest value will throw them into an autistic rampage.

LOL whoever wrote this has never even played vanilla
Hunters fucking tear people apart in pvp

are hunters really better than rogues in gankie lowbies?

Hunter is the only class that can trick lowbies into flagging themselves.

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>Viper Sting

>not just auto+multi shot for 3k crit dmg on clothie

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>be a rather chill, quiet, perhaps boring guy
>want to have a good time across the board
>don't care about minmaxing, however i do take getting good seriously in the long run, i just won't go out of my way to be the best
>love to world pvp, both ganking, battling, and escaping ganks
>want to be invited to dungeons or raids frequently
What are my class options?

Yes
It's called Eyes of the beast

Hunter or mage I guess

mage, warlock, maybe rogue but they're not as needed for dungeons and raids

more like no one touches them because their only value is viper sting
They got shit damage and shit cc compared to all other DD classes, their pet is a total meme at decent gear, they cant heal, they cant buff, they cant carry flag, they cant fight in close quarters

Hunters are by far the best in PvP while levelling. Pet hits like a tough mob that can't be shaken off and then there's your ranged damage. Melee is extra fucked due too, as if it wasn't hard enough to level one.

So a healer or a Mage.

what's that got to do with pvp

Mage huh. Easy as that then, neato.
What are some mage tips I can look up? I wanna prepare at least a little before release.

damage, cc, fighting in close quarters, having a useless core mechanic, being a shit flag carrier and being shit at close quasrter fighting is irrelevant to pvp?

Imagine being so retarded you think the only pvp that matters is BGs when you have full naxx gear. Vast majority of the game hunters are gods in pvp.

>Yeah but again, if that's the case why pick the most boring, standard, unimaginative race?
Because they aren't very creative

their damage is fine in pvp, trap and scatter shot, you don't fight in close quarters anyway, only druid and mage should carry flags

One thing I find funny about Classic WoW discussion is how many people seem to mis-remember what Vanilla was like, and how time consuming it was.

In particular, I've seen so many posts on normie websites where saying that they're looking forward to hitting the level cap in a week or two and raiding until they don't feel things anymore. So many of them seem to be forget that hitting level cap took a very long time, and it's not something you're supposed to rush through. Leveling *was* the game; endgame was just a continuation of that.

Never mind the fact that the majority of people that played Vanilla were probably playing as either teenagers or early-to-mid 20-somethings. Most of them have real jobs and/or families now. They might be able to squeeze out a couple hours a day on Classic WoW, but even that might be pushing it.

I don't know. The naivety of the whole thing is something I find kinda funny.

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>you don't fight in close quarters anyway
>what are WSG bases and AV towers
>"b-but you dont fight there as HUNTER"

Yeah, because its a shitty class

>leveling was the game
all promotional material for wow that i recall wouldnt shut up about the game starting at 60

Leveling really shouldn't take more than 2½-3½ weeks if you're somewhat trying though.

Is it, though?

Historically, Wrath has been the most popular expansion for private servers and now that the Nostalrius phenomenon (making headlines in mainstream news outlets like the BBC and bringing it to attention of vast numbers of people who might not even have known private servers were a thing before) has died down a bit, I believe it has reclaimed this status. Wrath is also the expansion that has seen by far the greatest interest from open source development community.

TBC emulation is notoriously weak and hasn't produced outstandingly popular production servers (even pure open source emulation for vanilla and Wrath is kinda sorta passable, the same cannot be said about TBC), but even the most horrible garbage servers have managed to garner interest greater than anything vanilla recently: say, Sunwell's Nightbane server running Hellground core from 2014 with a lot of new stuff broken in their efforts to patch it up launched as literally the most broken server I've played since 2010, it was mostly down for two days since release, and it STILL managed to peak ~7k and before the news of its awfulness begun to spread and people stopped their futile attempts to to log in, I believe they initially had Nostalrius-like 10k+ people trying to connect. TBC is also the expansion that has seen the most ambitious closed source projects, and the most dedicated community efforts to research how the game used to work.

Moreover, if we look at polls on large gaming websites, Wrath is consistently at the top, usually followed by TBC. Nostalrius post-mortem survey (presumably answered by people that, on average, are biased towards vanilla) also ranked TBC higher than vanilla.

High level hunters leaving pets in the middle of lowbie towns get to gank tons of people while afk so yes.

>So many of them seem to be forget that hitting level cap took a very long time
Eh not really, people just didn't know the good leveling routes back then. Nowadays it only takes a couple weeks.

Elaborate. Like why would lowbies attack a pet, better yet why wouldn't guards instantly gank the hunter for even being near?

You can get shit like spec/gear on any website. If you want to be a real pro, in addition to standard consumables you should get some Free Action Pots. This is because your best AoE dmg is Arcane Explosion/Cone of Cold, just get into thick of it together with melee and you'll easily outdamage everyone trying to use Blizzard and FAPs counter most common CCs. Remember that Limited Invulnerability pots drop aggro and you most likely won't have IB in raids (see below).

Raids only get one mage go deep frost for Winter's Chill talent, all the other mages go Arcane for AP as deep frost doesn't offer any other PvE damage increase talents.

Because the hunter is nowhere near the guards and on a pvp server several low level towns are in contested zones that auto-flag every lowbie just for being there.

>Thoughts?
Pointless video. Balance is one of the things that killed WoW. I'd rather have classes being good at different things all having their niche and unique personalities than every class being a reskin of the same proc-based heal/DPS with an offensive and defensive CD each.
Classes in vanilla are all good at different things and have different weaknesses- And Thats A Good Thing.

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>thinking wow has the endgame appeal of Runescape

hahahahaha dead game in 6 months

>bringing it to attention of vast numbers of people who might not even have known private servers were a thing before
I think it's more that most people thought private servers was 1-2 people playing by together and not a whole community

The Barrens
Love how big it is, how ideal it is for farming while still having plenty of quests and the atmosphere is great

This, but unironically.

Nostalgiafags want the game to be *exactly* the same as Vanilla, but if it's going to survive beyond a year or two, Blizzard is going to have to add some kind of new content, otherwise the numbers will probably be so low that the server(s) probably won't stay up.

There's been some interesting ideas on side content without breaking the Vanilla feel, but anytime it's suggested, the autists screech because it ruins their nostalgia trip.

Rogue, mage or hunter?

>love wpvp
>love ganking
>love being versatile
>love stealth and easy escape tools
>love easy gold farming
>don't care about minmaxing
>do care about being wanted for dungeons and raids
>will probably hunt for lowbies when i don't do dungeons, raids or gold farming specifically

you can tame a level 3 boar and name it Boar and cast Eyes of the Beast like a mile away, run to a lowbie zone and pretend to do npc pathing until he tags it like any other mob and flags for pvp

Pvp zones start at level 15 for alliance and 10 for horde, so this lets you gank people in their "safe zones"

how accurate is this list

>warrior is favourite class
>have played a warrior seriously on private servers and had a blast
>have also played a warrior casually and find it limiting
>have less time to play than i did on nost
I think i'm going to have to roll another class.

You've got all the makings of a dick-ass rogue
I intend to be the same thing

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Rogue, mage or hunter?
I want to
>Gank lowbies
>Farm gold
>be invited to pvp groups
>be able to make a lot of friends

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I do like that but rogue makes me worried in the goldmaking, versatility and wanted departments. Rogues also bring almost no CC or utility right? Sap has to be talented into and can still break stealth asdfghjkl

Fuck I meant pve, I'm shit at pvp I was shit in vanilla and will be shit in class and i'm fine with that.

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these fucking no change retards should've just been playing on private servers. There's a lot to change in vanilla that would make the game better but still preserve the spirit

i'd be thrilled if they ended up going the OSRS route with Classic. a whole separate development path with a community voting system.
it's the only way they can make it viable long-term imo

Garbage.

yeah roll something else anything is better than being a tankuck

who else Alliance Warlock? I can't wait to lose 75% of wpvp fights against the 50 million UD rogues, but group pvp should be fun as always.

Mage. The only thing you miss out on is stealth but even then you've got some of the best escape tools around so who cares.

Rogue, it's all you want and it can make you good at pvp as long as you don't play against humans that know about their racial bonuses.

Mage or hunter. Mage is more wanted for groups in general but it's easier to stand out as a good hunter since so many of them are shit, and there's way less competition for main gear pieces once you start raiding. If pve is your main focus hunters get something that's at least kind of like a dps rotation while mages spam frostbolt all day until you can respec fire in AQ.

I've seen some neat ideas on how to add content without breaking the Vanilla feel. Tings like keeping the cap at 60, but adding side progression like new Azeroth-based regions---such as those abandoned during development---like the Dragon Isles, instead of expanding into the cosmos. Incentive comes from new boss mechanics requiring the acquisition of differing gear types, such as weapons that deal elemental damage (something that was planned, but scrapped; although I think there was a weapon in Vanilla that did do fire damage, but not 100%).

All in all, there are some neat ideas out there, it's just a case of getting the nostalgiafags to shut up.

Be that as it may, this mainstream publicity served as an advertisement for vanilla servers specifically and gained it anomalous popularity peak. Before Nostalrius, vanilla scene certainly wasn't the most popular. And now in 2019 with situation normalized again, it's Wrath again (hell, it might not even have lost that spot, given that there was numerous modestly popular Wrath servers, as opposed to Nostalrius behemoth and its immediate successors), with TBC not that much behind vanilla despite sorry state of TBC server scene. With that in mind, if private server popularity trends are indicative of each version's popularity by large, vanilla isn't the most popular version, Wrath is.

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>goldmaking
Know what you can do at level 60? Sneak through BRD and pickpocket everything in there
It's surprisingly lucrative

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Mage

i'd say rogue, but no one in pve wants rogues

Just blatantly, there is not enough content in vanilla wow to support a massive resurgence of playerbase that exceeded the original like we saw in OSRS

I got to 60 on nost in about 10 days /played. thats a 250+ hour campaign. As a dps main, my life consisted of farming fire elementals for cash, trying to get pvp kills for my rank because battlegrounds were not out yet (just like in classic haha) and LFG UBRS/strat/scholo
I actually felt like I completed the game at this point and lost interest before even getting my pre-raid BIS. There is like honestly less than 80 hours of gameplay after hitting 60 and most of that is farming consumables or waiting for weekly raid reset

I used to rip on runescape for having shitty grindy gameplay, but classic wow was just as bad but with slightly fancier graphics for 2004.
only fun part of the game is 1-60 and pvp but ive already spent like at least 2 of the worst expansions paying $15 a month for warsong gulch and AB, not about to do it again

tfw want to tank raids but don't want to raidlead

>mfw I found out hunters wrecked shit so hard in 2004-2005 was because they were added at the last second so blizzard had 0 time to balance them

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Can we list all the class utility/flavor/uniqueness?

Example
>mage
Polymorph, teeports, portals, food, water, mana gem, frost block, frost armor, pompyro
>rogue
Lockpicking, stealth, vanish, sprint removing all roots, poison debuffs, stunlock-to-death combos
>hunter
Pet, feign death, freezing trap, hunter's mark, flare

Ashenvale

youtube.com/watch?v=78xB_GqLwPY

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Blizzard will re-release BC sometime down the line when Vanilla's playerbase starts to significantly stop playing.

Grind pirates in Tanaris.

>hunters
Also kiting

Basically soloing 5 men bosses if the party wipes, kiting in MC/BWL/AQ, raid pullers

Oh yes can't believe I forgot kiting

Tanaris, 1k needles, ashenvale, desolace, and stv

Too populated. I've just been hanging out in the Feralas naga cave, but even that's hit or miss with whether or not there's competition. Such is life on overpopulated private servers. Somehow Angor was just always empty when I was there.

I'm caught between a gnome warlock and a tauren druid, depending on the faction I end up as.

I played a lock up to 50 on nost before it shutdown so I have a good idea of what to do.

Once I got that tailoring set with shadow damage I was ripping things to shreds. Combine that with the voidwalker shield and you can at least do enough damage to kill whoever attacks you before dying.

I killed several rogues while dead with just my dots ticking on them. Of course once you get nerfcoil you can kill any of them if you manage to coil will of the forsaken.

The best thing is no one actually plays alliance warlock so you'll be in high demand since you can summon and do other shit.

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>imagine minmaxing in a 15 year old game where everything has already been done millions of times
pretty sad

I've been toying with the idea of a human warlock, but I've played Alliance for most of my time in WoW, so I'd be interested in going Horde this time around. Especially since this would be before the lore killed the Horde.

Probably wouldn't go Warlock with a Horde character, though. Thinking troll priest or mage.

Pretty much my mindset, and I feel like shaman suits me very well. Warlock is also a good choice

>gnome warlock and a tauren druid
Two of the worst choices, my friend. Alliance warlocks get absolutely raped since the majority of horde is undead and tauren druids are just mana batteries for other healers since shaman is horde. Druid pvp is fucking top notch, though. Definitely my favorite class back in vanilla for that fact alone.

sounds like a bunch of bullshit

Just play Warrior because Classic WoW was not balanced and Warrior is both the best damage and best tank in the game while also best PvP class.

Ah yes, the good ol' days of making some Human tard think my cute raptor was a rare elite. Realizing the error they made too late.

>tfw you will never be a human adventurer in the night elf forests of Kalimdor surrounded by giant amazonian elf warrior women who lust for cock 24/7 because all their men have been asleep for the past 10,000 years

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Hell, Rexxar was basically a Hunter and his whole campaign was basically proto-WoW.

>two of the worst choices
That's the point actually, so I don't have to compete with anyone for anything since neither are popular classes.

I never did raiding back in the day nor did I make it high enough on nost to raid so I don't know much about that front.

That being said both of those classes are extremely good in BC if we ever get that.

>implying anyone will let you have dps gear

You're just an animal to them

That's because there was no hard content until C'thun, you literally had no reason to flask.

An animal they want to fuck, yes.

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>paying 15 a month for an decade old game
>inb4 are yu pooor lmaoooo
>i dont like to get fucked in the ass
>lmmmmaoo dont you have an asss??

why do people on private servers demand flasks and dire maul buffs for Mc if it's not hard?

Melee Hunter with Brokentooth forever at BRD.

I wish it was the patch with Lacerate though.

>decade old game still better than other options in its genre
Liking MMOs is suffering

But Lacerate was objectively trash. It didn't scale and did like 2 dps.

>implying it isn't canon NElves taking the animal D

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are they really going to charge 15 for game that has way less content that BFA?
doesn't that make BFA look shit in directly?

Lacerate was at least something that I can use and forced all Rogues to be Dwarf. Wyrven Sting was better but needs ammo.

Don't let your dreams be dreams

forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=28163

Yes and no.

They're balanced in that they all have a niche that they're best in, not balanced in that they can pull off their designated roles with the same proficiency as all other classes doing that role.

For example, Druids are great to have in a party during the leveling process due to their unmatched versatility. They're always easily breaking into dungeons, and they have several spells like Rebirth that are literal lifesavers to a small group.

But once you get to the max level raiding scene, well, there are so many characters in the group that versatility is quite worthless just because you already have one of each other type of class anyway, so who cares? Now they Druids must heal or be forgotten. People may bitch about that as being unfair, but keep in mind something like this: When I played a warrior, leveling up was a slow, painful, shitty process. But that's the cross I bore to actually be in the position I wanted when endgame finally rolled around.

Everyone has their place in Classic, it's just not always endgame raid/PvP viable.

From my experience. Priest and Mage are better for leveling. Hunter is pretty good in PvP, druid not so much.
The rest I cannot say.

Me somewhere in the middle.

It probably has more to do with Black Lotus being BoP prior to 1.7, making it extra annoying to get flasks for everyone.

However, despite content being easy in certain kind of objective sense, people still wiped quite a lot and flasks would have helped them not to. Hell, flasks are pretty powerful so it's not even trivial min/maxing for the sake of speedruns but something that's time-efficient to get! Not to mention all the other consumables: looking at retail vanilla videos and reading through period discussions, you can see a mentality that today seems like from another planet: an example of a comment that struck me was a guy acting flabbergasted regarding Alchemist's Stone in TBC ("it's almost as though you're supposed to chainpot!" - and sure enough, in retail vanilla videos you often see people not potting even though they're fucking oom!).

And anyhow, whether they were "necessary" or not is a moot point. Nowadays people use full consumables - something that in 2006 just didn't happen even for Naxx world first progression - even for farm raids that you could actually do with 40 druids and no consumables whatsoever. The difference in mindset is enormous.

I wanna play as a Troll Priest or Warrior, tell me how to be sicknasty.

This video is way more informative and interesting in my opinion
youtube.com/watch?v=U0OMrgWBNK4
I still have no clue what I'm going to play though

Priests definitely have an faster time grinding than rogue, but rogue has more valuable CC abilities in the case of an overpull or stealth for ninjaing quest objectives at backs of caves, etc...

>DPS gear
>On Warrior

Unless you mean some of their weird pre-raid BiS leather pieces most of the DPS warrior pieces are all plate and you literally have 0 competition for them except other warriors. Many of the good weapons too for Warrior aren't used by Rogues either since they are Axes and shit until AQ

druid and then to chill you innervate the priest and make a campfire with some feign deathed hunter

Mage early levelling is a struggle

>There's a lot to change in vanilla that would make the game better but still preserve the spirit
Maybe, but you have no clue what they are because you are retarded.

just get a healer to do it

because they're fucking fags

druids get geared really fast

Not going to watch that garbage but vanilla is extremely unbalanced. I don't think blizzard should attempt to fix it in classic because they'd just fuck it up but the balance really is terrible. Vanilla is really easy though so people don't really notice the imbalance.

>PvE
Hunters become garbage once the other dps classes get gear. They become completely worthless for anything other than tranq shot very quickly.
Warlocks are bad until they actually get enough gear to become good. They are also the only pure dps class without any natural threat reduction, making a threat reduction buff like salv almost necessary for them.
Druids aren't good. Not that they're terrible healers, but every other healer is so much better that why would you bother with a druid if you have a choice? One is mandatory for MoTW and of course and you can get away with bringing 1-2 more if you need to fill those raid spots.
Blessings are so much fucking better than totems. The existence of windfury is the only thing that stops horde from being awful for raiding, and can even make them as good as alliance if you build your raid comp around shamans.

>PvP
Warriors are unusuable without support. On the other hand, they're extremely good with support, so obviously that's must be what things are balanced around.
But wait, rogues are the best at 1v1 and worthless in every other situation. So is it balanced in organized groups or not? Of fucking course not.

eat my shit faggot

Lol, imagine playing MMORPG for gameplay or achievements instead of immersion.

To add onto user's post, look up gameplay videos from top guilds back in the day. They very clearly aren't that great by today's standards.

Im gonna be a holy priest

Because it makes the run many hours quicker.

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Since 50% of all players will be Warrior, Shaman will be really good

Preventing people from abusing world buffs and consumables in raids would be a great start but "le #nochanges because i dont understand the game" autists would get upset.

This is now a frost thread.

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I can't speak from experience, but I'd imagine it's because vanilla content gets beaten immediately, and subsequently beating the content first doesn't have much value. If you want to qualify as a high-end guild never mind the best, the only way to one-up your peers is to do it the fastest. I too think that's completely petty and I honestly look down on high-end vanilla guilds (they might be über-tryhard but tend to be complete non-entities when they show up to custom tuned TBC and Wrath servers where there's actual progression raiding to be done).

However, while I think this is the primary factor, there's another reason. Over the years there has been various tough bosses in WoW and guilds had to find new ways to eke out an advantage in order to beat them. Like C'thun with flasks, or Yogg+0 with the concept of extreme class stacking (in this case affliction locks, but ever since Stars killed it, that kind of possibility would be in people's minds when they think up ways to beat a boss and it's something they'd start preparing for by demanding a bunch of geared alts), or TOC - this time because it's so short and trivial - making it convenient to do split runs, or whatever. The thing is, once guilds start doing one of those things, if you want to remain competitive, you can't back down because everyone else will keep doing it, and over time more and more things get added to the list of "things high-end guilds do". At this point it's more or less "everything that yields even the slightest theoretical advantage".

Now, this doesn't explain why people do it when it's objectively a waste of time (spending 50 seconds farming for every second shaved off clear time), but competition in retail has produced this kind of mindset through necessity and retail and private server communities are hardly separate.

>That feel when you see a mage OE grinding so you mana burn them

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Don't call my wife a slut.

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Who here is ready to play fury warrior DPS and go the dope ass 2h slam build

>But wait, rogues are the best at 1v1 and worthless in every other situation.

I know it's not the same as a warrior, but I don't think you understand how quickly a well geared combat rogue with a little support can dismantle an enemy team's backline.

They utterly delete priest, druid and shaman healers.

youtube.com/watch?v=hqKjds4LqQU
A classic.

rolling horde on some pvp server with the int guild, likely an undead priest
rolling alliance on some rp-pvp server depending on population, otherwise have to be a shitter on the rp-pve server, likely a human warlock or mage

>rogues are the best at 1v1

*gets shit on by any competent hunter*

nothing personell, edgelord

>Gank lowbies
Why do you want to gank people who can't effectively fight back? Are you that much of a scumbag loser?

>be a warrior struggling to solo mobs
>gigachad mage rolls up and starts nuking entire packs effortlessly
>refuses to let me group up so I can finish the fucking quest and move on
>he doesn't even need the mobs for a quest, just doing it for exp and loot
>mage from opposite faction shows up and starts rank 1 frostbolt kiting me

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not him but it's the only pvp the matters desu

Why play on a popular private server for free with people who are passionate about Vanilla when you can pay to play a version with a cash shop and tourists from Retail?

World PvP isn't real PvP, it's essentially griefing. I'm in the no-changes camp, but if they removed WPvP, I wouldn't mind one bit.

>World PvP isn't real PvP, it's essentially griefing. I'm in the no-changes camp, but if they removed WPvP, I wouldn't mind one bit.
this must be bait, you know things like pve servers exist right?

faggot

world pvp and ganking lowbies is the only reason to play on a pvp server desu senpai
prove me wrong

Won't be joining at launch. Gonna sit back and enjoy the disaster.

I'm aware, but they didn't exist as viable private server options.
I think there would be no PvP servers, give those servers/resources to PvE and the game is healthier.

How about fuck you buddy. Killing lowbies IS autistic, but there is a ton of max-level world PVP and it's literally the best thing in the game and one of the primary reasons I play.

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so you want classic to have no pvp servers at all?
okay this is bait thanks for clarifying.

>plate dps gear

Which other class is gonna use it user?

>I'm in the no-changes camp, but if they removed WPvP, I wouldn't mind one bit.
>no-changes camp
>remove wpvp

don't respond don't respond don't respond don't respond fuck you got me

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Winterspring. Full of white, aryan and straight white snow everywhere.

>imagine sharing my xp for no reward
I did the same this week in this exact spot

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Personally I enjoy powerleveling a rogue to 60 and immediately running to duskwood to camp people in the cemetary while I wait for the next dungeon run. Nothing funnier than some autismo making a horde character to screech at me for camping them.

The westfall>redridge>darkshire levelling stream is the best

warriors use like 2 plate pieces, rest is leather

Hunter has a really low skill floor but a high skill ceiling. If you actually plan out your shit and react appropriately you have the tools to kill any class.
Hunter PvE is shit though, and they would be benched 100% of the time if not for tranq.

Reminder Horde warriors have literally z e r o competition for plate gear, and yet they STILL cuck rogues and druids out of their BiS gear.

Nobody is going to give that leather to a rogue or a feral druid if there's dps warriors in the raid.

I love almost every zone desu.

Plate gear sucks.

Yeah, it's SOO cool to stealth until a fellow 60/59 is low hp, then try to gank em.
Really riveting gameplay right there.
>one of the primary reasons I play.
I unironically pity you.
>Disagree with me
>Must be bait!
If this is the state of the PvP community, boy oh boy are you guys gonna have a hard time doing PvE content with those tiny pea brains of yours. At least Vanilla PvE is some of the most trivial.

mmm yes

>At least Vanilla PvE is some of the most trivial.
make the bait better atleast

Honestly... I would love to see one change, and one change only...

A que from anywhere BG & Arena button.

Nothing else. Just that and I'm in 100%. Please.

>Then your priestess dispels the Frostbolt

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>Yeah, it's SOO cool to stealth until a fellow 60/59 is low hp, then try to gank em.

fighting unfair is the whole class identity of the rogue

PvP server exists just so you can grief people and turn zones line Un'goro and Silithsus into an ancap simulator. There is also a bit of added excitement/immersion in the inherent game cat-and-mouse of checking over your shoulder every ten seconds in STV.

But yeah, literally just go to a PvE server if that's your attitude, that's why they are there.

>people just letting the rogue kill the healers
Only happens with shit players.

absolutely based

Plate dps gear is good all the way to Naxx though. It's only there leather starts to really shine.

a good 60% of the players on private servers are russian and chinese that don't have the money to play on retail.

You're not a minmaxer if you're playing a Shaman

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I agree it is in line with class identity, but it's a rather sad thing to do. Not really an excuse in my opinion.
Oh I will of course be on a PvE server, and I'll enjoy reading about PvP servers drying up as many can't level because of camping rogues/mages etc.
Without PvP servers, PvE would be even more populated and lively.

>Yeah, it's SOO cool to stealth until a fellow 60/59 is low hp, then try to gank em.
Yeah check out scrubs like this guy killing level 59s
youtube.com/watch?v=98MJX84JRSA&t=2m30s
Sucks that you will never know the feeling of fights like this either:
youtube.com/watch?v=_8iSRYlfr70&t=1m12s

>I unironically pity you.
No need, my man. I have probably done at least 20x as much of all forms of PVP than you and everyone you know combined, and still I have shitloads of fun with it to this day. No need for the pity but I appreciate the sentiment.

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I feel like if I play a warrior, then I can't play on a pve server. That is signing your own death warrant when leveling.

pvp I meant

>Oh I will of course be on a PvE server, and I'll enjoy reading about PvP servers drying up as many can't level because of camping rogues/mages etc
Literally won't happen.
If anything PvE servers will eat shit in population if history is anything to go by, but I might be underestimating just how many current retailers will be in the classic pop pool.

>tfw a warlock violates the NAP by not /waving back fast enough so you use all of your consumables and pop recklessness to one shot him

>If anything PvE servers will eat shit in population if history is anything to go by
Not him but if trends are anything to go by, regardless of pve/pvp the most populated servers will be the ones the big streamers play on.

Just hit 60 and you'll smash into anyone who dares jump out of their GY in WSG like a wrecking ball.

>Just hit 60
I CAN'T IF THEY WON'T LET ME REACH 60

>playing on streamer servers
No thanks.

I'm just saying that that'll probably be the servers with the most retained population as long as said streamer keeps playing.

And then die and get sent back to your own GY because you can't do anything without a healer.

Having a healer was implied.

>not making friends with the warrior so you have an on demand tank for dungeons

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This list is absolute trash, if only just because leveling is a non-factor once you hit 60.
Can't tell if this list is supposed to be naxx level or BWL because hunters pulled good numbers till naxx but warriors were pretty bad at that point because of aggro limitations.
Healers get a 6 in PVE? Oh yeah lets take 40 warriors into MC that will work, gotta min/max that score!

>not playing on the RP server with medium pop

It's gonna be comfy just like it was back then.

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>What are your Classic plans?
To not play it :^)
Enjoy your 2004 memes

Why can't people just let this game die so another one can be made, I want a reset and not a fucking WoW reset but an MMO reset

>vanilla
>fun
Youre coming at it from the wrong angle, fren

actually based

You make a convincing argument, I could have done that if it wasn't a private server

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I would share this sentiment if I believed that there was actually a studio that could develop a better mmo than classic WoW

Class balance only takes into account either PvP or PvE content. In PvP, this is mostly figured out by analyzing data from tournaments over what classes seem to garner the most wins at higher levels of play, but since organized PvP in classic between two groups isn't very common, nor exactly supported by the system for determining ranking, it's hard to glean this data.

Class balance in PvE is as much an issue with raid design as it is with class design. If you design a class to be a jack of all trades, but raid content heavily favors specialization, then it follows that jack of all trades classes will be unfavorable. If, however, raid design often encourages some players to handle different roles based on the circumstance (say, for example, an part of an encounter that splits off everyone into eight groups at one point), then it makes sense that someone who can mostly handle tanking but also switch to being a DPS when needed would be a valuable addition to a raid group.

WoW throughout its entire history has failed to design raids with the classes themselves in mind and has instead focused entirely on designing around roles and tailoring the classes to become them. This is why homogenization became a thing, and why WoW is ultimately doomed to always be considered in terms of the holy trinity of tank/healer/DPS. It's not a failure of class design, it's a failure of raid design.

>mages levelling
>6
lol

TBC solved this by keeping classes different but giving them unique strengths that made up for their shortcomings.
>hybrids can DPS but they don't do as much damage as other DPS so they make up for this by bringing buffs
>paladins can tank but they specialize in AoE tanking, though they are still absolutely viable in single-target they aren't 100% optimal
>druids can tank, but their lack of mitigation can occasionally make them worse than warriors in certain situations

classes were a mistake

>TBC solved this by keeping classes different but giving them unique strengths that made up for their shortcomings.
Literally the definition of homogenisation. Shortcomings define the class.

If they pretty much remade tibia I'd be set, that was the pinnacle of MMOs. At least before the HUEs flooded it

I want to get my old school crew back together. We were the ultimate 5 man.
NE Priest and Rogue always making fun of eachother. Human Hunter and Mage bro-ing out hard. Dwarf Warrior literally never not swearing.
We did every dungeon and leveled in every zone together and just steamrolled shit, it was amazing.
I miss that priest, but I'll never admit it to that dress-wearing nancy boy.

Irrelevant, there was no reason not to play a Blood Elf because they were too good. That's what dominated, not class.

Pretty much this. My main was a druid and I levelled feral till 40 and then fell in complete love with Moonkin form, so much so I respecced then and stayed mainly Balance till quitting mid cataclysm.

It does sound unfair that you can do what you want to do until about level 45-50 and then you're forced into a role you may not enjoy if you want to play with others. I tried my damndest to prove that balance druid could be ok and I got into a great raiding guild whose druid leader let me DPS in naxxramas on the tail end of Vanilla, even got pretty good DPS.

Another problem though is the pain involved in gearing. Spelldamage leather is fucking nonexistent in Vanilla, I was using a lvl50 cloth robe and an engineering eyepatch for a fair chunk of my lvl 60 life.

Nowadays I actually enjoy being the support character, so I would likely roll a druid again and try to relive that life from a different angle. Or a priest, never tried a priest.

All these "class guide" videos are so fucking dumb and soulless, they all say the same thing too. Battlegrounds and raids are not the only thing that matters in Vanilla. I can't wait for the thousands of people new to classic to realize all these videos steered them wrong and they will actually just be leveling for the majority of their experience, and probably won't even hit 60 because it takes so long.

Furthermore, how the fuck is a new player supposed to know what class they like based on an endgame-level performance breakdown? Roleplay, class fantasy and the general flavor of the class is so much more important to your enjoyment. That's what there should be videos about, not this autistic IGN top 10 ranking bullshit.

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>Human Hunter

fuck off zoomer

What? The only OP racial thing that belves had was seal of blood. Everything else I listed has nothing else to do with the race.

Based

>wtf why aren't class guides about completely subjective vague things like "flavor"

>tfw vanillafags are gonna be paying for retail to play a worse version of the current game
Literal cucks lmfao I cannot

No, TBC is the opposite of homogenization by creating roles that previously didn't even exist. Say, shadow priest in vanilla is just plain bad caster DPS that might or might not be worth it for +shadow damage if you have enough locks. Shadow priest in TBC continues to do inferior DPS (it's actually not that bad in T4, but by SWP gear levels they have the lowest personal DPS, even falling behind smite priests and dedicated PvP specs like subtlety rogues) but instead of their role being "caster DPS", it's now "mana battery", and it's a spec you could definitely take more than one of.

How is entirely different novel roles more homogenized than classes/specs doing the same thing, except that some are directly better or worse?

Oh right, guess he was a dwarf. It's been a long, long time. Don't seethe too hard lol

>Human Hunter

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Arcane Torrent shut down most classes.

*mind controls you off the boat just as it leaves the port*
pshh...

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>another thread circlejerking by people who never played vanilla over the same shit figured out over 10 years ago

I used to be hyped for this but I absolutely hate this community, every youtuber is making the same stupid videos DUDE ROGUES CAN STUN LOTS LOL? to make money its so cringe

we're going home bros

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Bro...

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>tfw I'm gonna rely on my old Brady Games bestiary, dungeon companion and atlas for Classic WoW

>Mage leveling
>6
I haven't even continued reading and I already know the list is fucking retarded. I wouldn't put it any lower than 8.

>babby's first MMOfags trying to justify imbalance
PvP strength is all that matters. Once you're done with dungeons, that's all there is left. The last challenge is to beat other players.

How boring is the warrior damage rotation? I'm leveling with a friend so I'm not worried about the difficulty, just worried about getting bored playing a class with no utility spells.

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>Slam
[laughs in delaying/resetting your swing timer]

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so are they planning on including the remade models as optional toggles

most people play for the pvp aspect of WARcraft. Its how the game is supposed to be played, you'll be in a contested warzone and you have to deal with resistence, thats the fun of WoW.

>fuckin care bears

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I'm going through this shit with my friends on XIV right now, but it happened in WoW as well. I wore full Doomplate despite the stats mismatching during Burning Crusade, and I used a polearm and warrior boots/belt during Cataclysm for PvP, despite the polearm being 2.7 speed and not 3.6.

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I know TBC was my favorite iteration for tanking. Warriors for large, single target auto attack tanking, druids for bosses that relied more on hefty magic damage or damage that didn't utilize crushing blows, and paladins for tanking bosses or mobs that hit too quickly for warriors to utilize shield block to stay alive against. I didn't play DPS in a raid setting though, but my shadow priest was always popular due to being a mana battery.

No, fuck off.

>tfw only enjoy melee combat
>warrior and rogue are overplayed
>cat and ret are actually useless
>have a feeling enh is going to be FOTM trash and everyone will hate anyone who plays it

Feels bad

>Skullflame Shield remains the best AOE farming shield even in TBC

friendly reminder to fucking get one as soon as you possibly can if you make the mistake of playing a paladin, each proc scales with spell power and enables you to pull retarded amounts of enemies at a time

Used to do that shit with my friends in classic. We'd dress up like pirates and make people walk the plank until level 60s showed up to kill us.

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>>tfw only enjoy melee combat
fuckin weirdo it's a tab target mmo
combat is all the same

>too retarded to post spoilers correctly
>actually forgets to attach an image too
paladin master race

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why are you angry about something you wouldn't have to use?

Casting is still horribly boring

frost mage is a god in pvp, what are you talking about

I'm not even slightly angry because it isn't going to be in the game.

you seemed very aggressive towards the possibility of its inclusion though. why?

>>warrior and rogue are overplayed

Doesn't mean anything, there's always demand for DPS. You will 100% find a guild and dungeon groups no matter what.

>a feeling enh is going to be FOTM trash
you're right about it being trash, it's not even useful in PVP compared to an elemental shaman who heals between bursting relevant targets

if you pay attention to literally any of the windfury montage videos for classic, they're always slamming undergeared cloth/leather players while using unobtanium weapons like sulfuras or c'thun axe

>How do these 4 classes compare/differ?
For the things you listed that you wanted, it goes in this order
mage
warlock
hunter
rogue

Because people have been discussing classic for several years, even more so since the announcement over a year ago, and your point has not only been discussed ad nauseum it's also been answered.

become the survival nightfall slut for your raid

>Try vanilla server
>quest to kill fizzle
>team up with 2 others
>we carefully kill the mobs and fizzle
>huntard goes running in and quick loots quest item agroing everything
>wipe
Fuck this game and fuck the scumbag playerbase it has.

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>die before getting to loot quest item
>mob despawns before you can rez
>huntard says "thanks for the group guise" and leaves

There's a reason the word Huntard exists.

silithis desert is my favorite zone

this happened except the thanks. he just left.

lmao what a chad

As if I'd watch that. I'm convinced at this point that basically no one actually played vanilla WoW. Whenever someone makes videos like this or talks about subject like this, they say the most retarded shit. At best, the garbage they spew applies to private realms.

Are there any other games/series where this is extremely prominent?

>going home
>its not even the same engine
lel you guys are so desperate you will accept anything

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can you imagine what retail classic will be like?

its so old that the majority of the playerbase will be playing it for the first time. The player base might be even more retarded than the original playerbase.

At least it will be nostalgic..

it won't be 100%, but there will be a lot more of it than there was back then because of how long the info's been available and because of word of mouth spread by those private server autists

podcasts.. those type of bullshit didnt exist back then user...

>The player base might be even more retarded than the original playerbase.
If you think zoomers who mainly play Fortnite will compare to the streetsmart millenials who grew up on MMOs, you're in for a surprise. The Classic community is going to make keyboard turning look pro.

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>No news on Classic
>No news on WC3
Shit's dead.

question, how many mages and warlocks do you usually bring to MC runs

I aint bothering to find out.

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in late bwl gear and beyond, yeah

hope I find a guild that's chill enough to let anyone roll any spec to the best of their ability, since the content is essentially trivial

It's called autism. This particular case looks severe.

you bring one to the raid for your warlocks

as many as you can fit

I can only imagine how many hunters will level to mid 20's having to tame like 10 pets in the process because they never figure out how to feed them.

>theres people itt who really wanna do all the dungeons, meme questlines and "enjoy" their time for the 13232325st time
lmao, see you packlets stuck in stv while i get rich and join the top tier guilds rushing to 60

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So stuck between alliance/horde hunter/warrior. Played tauren hunter classic through wotlk and human warrior in pservers for last few years.

Enjoy your dead server after 1 month lel

It's always a hunter. Every time. It's amazing. I'm not saying that every PuG has a retard in it, but every PuG with a Hunter in it has at least one retard.

Which one was more fun in groups? I plan to play a rogue of whatever race I feel like for solo and a warrior for when my friends are online.

t. packlet

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huntards are going to be a great source of comedy for years to come

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this only happens on pservers because everyone is a retarded third worlder
as an australian man i also do this because everyone is a retarded third worlder and FUCK THEM

i miss nostralia

objectively inaccurate

Shit video. seek info on people who play private servers today. The game knowledge evolved much more.

Female night elf priest so I can erp whenever I'm not out adventuring

I'm talking about pve, not pvp.

based

i have a 70 belf on a pserver and their racial is dog shit, the most meme race ive played with
if you arent a orc on horde side, ur doing something wrong

>Nothing funnier than some autismo making a horde character to screech at me for camping them.
they won't be able to do this without a second account

cant remember what xpac it was but i mained belf for an arena season and that mana bubble shit was god tier for bringing out stealths

you sound like you're just bad at pvp. play on a pve server

He's a nostbabby, they were able to do that there.

please roll on RP-PvP servers so I have someone to play with

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Lorewise there's a ceasefire.

Why are there so many warriors if they are hard to level? They are the only raid tank I hear, and apparently aren't great in PvP on their own? Wouldn't the latter mean they aren't great at World PvP?

desert zones > spoopy zones > winter zones > all other zones > elf zones
as usual, fuck elves

Why is Pally leveling so awful brehs? My whole experience on Chinkdale so far has been waiting for Onyxia buff then auto attacking with PotC. When do I start playing the game myself?

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Stop asking what class to play, the answer is always mage

>another sudo general!

you have to be a healslut!, its great, i love healing dungeons as a pally :3

When you spec holy and aoe level.

they are good at solo pvp when the player understands the class and other classes. and if they have good enough gear

>sudo
what did he mean by this?

There's only a lot of warriors because people use them at lvl 1 for banks, since it's the first class on the list to quickly make a character.

My question is, how were they able to make so many zones that give you that sense of adventure, atmosphere, wonder, whatever you wanna name it?
The meme of "dead open world" is peddled around for a reason, but it's not the case with WoW (even with newer zones in many cases). How did Blizzard do it?

Paladin leveling is probably the worst in the game. People say warrior is bad, but they can speed it up dramatically by getting a good weapon and some gear. Paladins never really pick up speed.

On the flip side your pretty much invulnerable but don't be fooled by what paladins later are in wow. In vanilla they are straight healers with the other 2 specs being a joke.

Ret can kind of work in pvp for about 80 seconds until you run out of mana, but a healadin is much stronger.

I paladin leveling works pretty well if you just auto hotkey your judgement macro and afk grind while watching netflix.

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nothing's stopping a company from making a good mmo, the problem is everyone wants to copy modern wow. maybe classic wow is the spark we need for mmos to start being good again

shadow priest mana battery was the only unique dps role in tbc, but damn was it fun

the art style and music triggers dopamine release
its internet heroin bro

We've seen a million mmos since wow launched and they are all trash. Probably the best competitor is FFXIV and thats only because the waifu bait dress up options.

No one seems to be able to crack the code to get that perfect balance between easy to learn but difficult to master that vanilla wow had.

no class has a rotation that's complex or terribly engaging in pve, but if you want utility outside tanking i would pick something else

Yes, that's the whole point of the meme. The Chad is always doing things wrong but he is too stupid to care. You are not supposed to want to be the Chad, it's a contrarian meme.

they have mods you can use for the new models if you really want that, but having a model that's higher res than the armor you're wearing will look like dog shit

warriors are the worst solo pvp class though

is it true warriors are the best solo pvpers?

well on a scale of 1 - 10 everyone knows that rogues are fucking dumb.

no, they're the worst without a gear advantage. they are the best in group pvp with a healer though

>vanilla wow
>difficult to master

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Even if I somehow end up playing it, I'm NOT leveling another shaman. The whole class is just so schizo design. Enhance is the only viable leveling spec because ele is so mana inefficient, but everyone excepts you to heal anyway so have to carry 2 sets of gear until you become a full time healslut at 60. Also fuck totems. It's not fun to recast them after every single step when there are 4, they cost mana and GCD is 1.5 seconds.

Alright, tell me which MMO can give me:

>Connected world with no loading screen
>Lot of content that actually matter outside of the usual PVP and PVE content (reputation, professions...)
>RPG elements that makes you a little bit stronger each time you upgrade them (weapon level, spell level...)
>Smooth gameplay
>Good leveling experience where danger is omnipresent and mistakes actually punish me
>Rewards that I deserve and not just give it to me because I logged on today (lvl 40/60 mount...)
>Unique classes with a lot of non-combat skills. Makes you feel like you play a character in a world and not a class in an combat arena.

I'll wait

>Favorite class is and always will be enhancement shaman
>Know that guilds will probably be too autistic to let me raid 40 mans as enh sham
>Never got to experience large vanilla raids because I was just a retarded 6th grader when vanilla first dropped

I mean my focus is pvp but I would like to see the content I missed. I think the only good decision I made back then was focusing on dicking around and quitting during Wrath

Don't know if I'll play but I'll most likely go warrior and PUG the whole way through leveling because I hated vanilla's quests and warriors suck ass at leveling solo.

Filling a 40 man raid is a pain in the ass. The elitist and world first guilds might not bring you, but an enhancement shaman is better than no slot at all. Plus the totems are nice.

If you get a nightfall guilds will pick you up for it.

Also Shamans are pretty sought after in MC and BWL because of the fire resist totem. If you can't get in as enhancement it might be worth going resto until you get a dps set going.

If you're doing a night elf know that only men should be druids and only women should be priests.

I want to solo dungeons, just to see if I can.
Which class would be decent for that? I'm thinking BM Hunter or Feral Druid.

>Paladin

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Hunter is the best by a large margin for soloing stuff.

Hunter or mage at 60. There's a video of some guy soloing Scholo as a mage.

Welp. Guess I'm gonna need more bag space for ammo and pet food.

theyre very good, yes. only noobs will tell you otherwise.

used to farm deadmines for wool to make gold for my 40 mount on a hunter

Any slavs here? Is it true that with RU version you can play on EU servers? last time I played in WotLK era and RU servers were reservations but with cheap prices.

>alliance warlock
literally me

What class has the most SOUL

>what is Octale and Hordac Vs world
fucking dunce.

when is classic launching?

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Summer last I heard.

Was pvp protection as viable option as a warrior in vanilla? I didn't get into wow until WotLK.

Maybe when you're in full naxx BIS and can literally 1 shot someone that is afk, otherwise, not even close

How good raid gear compared to pvp gear? I doubt I have power and time for serious raiding

Retail fag here. One thing I dislike about retail is how you're locked into one spec. Like, if you play a mage you can't use a mix of fire, arcane and frost abilities. Can you do this in classic?

The only abilities you don't get are the ones you don't unlock from your class's talent tree. But many/most of the classes will be locked into playing one spec in raids anyway for different reasons unless they find some unicorn-tier, laidback guild full of competent players.

Can someone post the rogue vs retardin webm where the rogue gets 1 shot after finishing his cc combo and bringing the pally down to 50%?

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Wait a fucking second. What about diminishing returns for fear etc? Anything different?

i got you senpai

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You don't play a spec in vanilla, you play a class.

That was a bug. Reckoning shouldn't proc on certain crits.

holy shit. im gonna roll ret pally, hell yea

it procs on every crit

18min on 4 chan unless its a deep debate is like 1million years l2p internets

You cant tame wolves/boars/bears irl so if you go hunter you'd better not use a pet.
If you roll a rogue dont let me catch you in stealth because invis is not possible irl.
Tbh I dont think you could walk around in full plate and swing a big sword either soiboi, wear cloth on that warrior of yours.

Summoning mounts from your pocket seems unrealistic as do hearthstones, I suggest you dont use them.
And ofcourse you cant run all the time, your character would get tired so make sure to walk everywhere and only use run to flee from mobs for a short while.

ty friendo

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There was another one of those, captured in AV. Anyone got that one?

>too based to care.
ftfy.

Why is the best looking paladin set the blue pvp set?

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>Dex vs Str

thats not judgment

April 22nd.

Didn't they say July for the Beta and September for the actual launch?

Not for a stupid Yea Forums post.

They said April 22nd. I don't know if that was for the beta or launch.

Source: dude trust me

the point of being a tryhard and min/maxing the shit out of everything is so you can be the laziest piece of shit and do decently with minimal effort, it's the same way with education and jobs, you're not aiming to be the most proficient at anything, you're aiming to get paid the most with the least effort done.

lol what? only against melee, fight a lock or hunter, even a SP and lel you're done. In group setting things change obviously.

As opposed to...?

The absolute dead state of MMOs right now when people are actually excited for this shit.

Druid chads WW@?

Based.

Summer 2019 is all they've said. The fuck are you getting April 22nd from? Is this some retarded false flag?

>excited for this shit.
people were excited for this shit since BC

They said April 22nd. I'd like to see some proof otherwise.

The majority of people on this planet were born after classic wow came out.

get a load of this guy

read the talent, it says any time you are crit. it doesn't specify what kind

burden of proof lies on you friendo, where did they say april 22nd

You're the one who initially claimed Summer. Right back at you.

not that guy, but blizzcon dumbass

that doesn't make sense

It doesn't and it's terrible, but it's true.

it's definitely not true

Right, they said at Blizzcon that it was coming out on April 22nd.

Knew it.

>aren't great at World PvP?
you can make up for it by being higher level

where do futanari night elf fit in :^)

youtube.com/watch?v=BWzEpdPTNXk
here you go retard

>abstains from ERP because its a subhuman ooc projection.
based chad.

He's farming (You)s, don't feed him

>be a rather chill, quiet, perhaps boring guy
>want to have a good time across the board
>don't care about minmaxing, however i do take getting good seriously in the long run, i just won't go out of my way to be the best
>love to world pvp, both ganking, battling, and escaping ganks
>want to be invited to dungeons or raids frequently
What are my class options?

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orc or ud for lock?

Dwarf rogue.

what are you talking about, what talent?

Mage.

orc