So why the fuck does Nintendos biggest IP not even look like this when Breath of the Wild did...

So why the fuck does Nintendos biggest IP not even look like this when Breath of the Wild did? It fucking looks like Sun and Moon 2.

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Why put in the effort when tens of millions of people will buy it anyway?

because open world is a meme and GF knows that it's stupid

Because Game Freak is unambitious and runs like they're an indie company when they are in fact making the main media for the most profitable franchise in the world
They're also stuck to a strict 2-year schedule which makes it hard to do anything bigger

Nintendo doesn't own gamefreak you retarded faggot. and a pokemon game in the same scale and ambition as BOTW would take at least 5 years to make. gamefreak works on yearly rehashes

Because breath of the wild took like 5 years to make. Why spend 5 years making a game when you can still sell millions with much less effort?

I don't want open world shit but you're right the game should look way better than it does. It looks like they were recording from Handheld Mode or something like that

Breath of the wild didn't look like that though. It had much less fidelity and detail (and resolution).

Pokémon would be a perfect fit for a (non-sandbox) open world, something structured more like Xenoblade.

Nintendo fans are retarded and will gobble up whatever shit is flung at them, why bother

game freak knows fucking nothing, if they did they would've started making good games

this. blessed based user.

Literally just have Monolith make it. Copy the world structure of Xenoblade 2 (just not separate Titans), replace the monsters with Pokémon and generate encounters dynamically, give Pokémon appropriate field skills that you can level up.

Because pokemon games already have a foundation on their personal visual style.
Why would people want something else when it already works for it?

Because open world is garbage and the fans want sprites back more.

Because Game Freak is incompetent as fuck.

>yeah why should Pokemon be anything like Pokemon
>let's just make an entirely different game and call it Pokemon

>2 year schedule
what? is this a forced development cycle?

Because Pokemon is not Nintendo's IP, it's GameFreak's IP. Nintendo has no real say in how Pokemon games get developed.

Just like Sony, Microsoft, and PC fans. Nothing new here.

Can somebody explain me why people think "BotW Pokemon" should be a thing? They play nothing alike and there's lots of reasons why a BotW-like world wouldn't work for a pokemon game; it's just such a shallow comparison.

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game freak is just a name for nintendo's janitor, he told the CEO back in the 90s he could develop a game where you could capture animals and use them in battles, now he's stuck doing the same shit for over 20 years because nintendo keeps him locked in his office. He only knows how to code in assembly for the gameboy's Z80 so he sends his ideas to Falcom and they code the game for him. Nintendo doesn't know.

>let's make the exact same game for 23 years, with minor variations and gameplay advancements that we will roll back for each new generation, and gradually make simpler and simpler over time because we don't even trust kids to make it through the easiest RPG ever made anymore

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People are saying that Gamefreak are bad, but let's see you do better

They have to make a high quality pokemon game year on year, and the haven't made a single mistake, they should be applauded for making what they have.

Also the audience is for little kids, not angry and bitter manchildren who get upset when they don't get their own way.

Maybe you should look to play other games, if all you do is bitch about pokemon and gamefreak.

>PC fans
huh? you know a PC isn't like a brand, right? it's a classification of object.

Yes, lets. If people fucking like it, why change it to something they don't like?

Stupid fuck. Go continue turning Fallout into an FPS and Final Fantasy into a non-Fantasy and a fucking action RPG.

>Also the audience is for little kids
HGSS and BW audience were little kids, but those games didn't suck

>haven't made a single mistake
sun and moon are hundreds of mistakes all rolled together into a whole game tho

>LE OPEN WORLD MEME
>HURR DURR WHY MY GAME IS ALWAYS THE SAME

You should be fucking happy your game is true to its roots.
Too many games just became pointless casualizations, completely ruining the spirit of their series
MH is just the last victim

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Masuda is still there, what do you expect.

Someone who gets it, fucking miracle.

You're the only one talking about open world. OP and everyone else just wants some sizable areas to EXPLORE. Like Xenoblade or Dragon Quest XI.

What we got looks like a glorified version of gen 1. Evolve already

Even just the graphics and physics, Blade and Shield look like ported 3ds games

>MH fell for the open world meme!! It's trash!
>Open world is somehow a large arena like area that just doesn't have load times now
My god people are stupid.

but mhw is the best mh to date
t. played even the first piece of shit of a game(and actually liked it too)

>Too many games just became pointless casualizations
So you haven´t played any pokemon game since black2/white2

Should I have just said Steam fans, then?

>pokemon switch is announced
OH FUCK ITS GONNA BE A TRUE CONSOLE RPG WE'RE FINALLY GETTING THE ULTIMATE POKEMON GAME GET HYPE!!!!!!
>turns out to be just another 3ds game but on Switch
WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING THE FORMULA WORKS ITS WHAT PEOPLE WANT OTHER GAMES ARE SHIT ANYWAY

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turn based rpg in a fully openworld never work well, just look at bethesda games and xenoblade x.

TPC wants a Pokémon release every year for obvious money-printing reasons. It's not strictly a two-year cycle, but they've kept this development pattern since Gen V with the exception of a 1 year gap between ORAS and SuMo. Game Freak has two internal Pokemon teams to facilitate this.

Pokémon is COD.

pokemon got casualized without the open world meme to be fair

>Actually getting to explore a vast world, go on adventures and find, battle and catch Pokemon
>"Why is this a good thing? I'm too scared to go off the beaten path. Pls hold my hand and tell me where to go. Controlling the camera is too difficult for me to figure out, please lock it in place for me! Why do people want innovations in jrpg combat mechanics like all the other games from the 90s have gotten? It's too much for me, I need my combat to be turn-based!!"

stay seething faggot. open world games are better than your pokemon trash

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Not nearly as much as MHW casualized MH

What the fuck is a console rpg

All the giant empty world monolith cocksuckers is actually making me appreciate Pokemon's aesthetic more even though it's not perfect

If fucking xenoblade is the only alternative then I'd rather pokemon stay the same forever

>Bethesda games
>turn based
Retard. How about looking at the latest Dragon Quest to see how a pokemon game could be. Not even fully open world, just actual effort and progress between titles.

>Too many games just became pointless casualizations, completely ruining the spirit of their series
you mean like pokemon

I mean the same can apply to zelda

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you do know this game releases in like 9 months right?

Even Dragon Quest has seen some improvement over the years.
Fucking Dragon Quest.

Only thing I wanted was to be able to rotate the camera with the right stick.

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nintendo own pokemon though and they can tell gamefreak to fuck off

>pokemon sun and moon
>same as old pokemon
It's worse than old pokemon you raging homo. Way more linear and cinematic, awful 3d graphics, terrible pokemon designs, etc

No they can't you dum dum

Just because kids are the target audience doesn't mean it shouldn't be an engaging game. Easy, sure, it'll be easy to older players, but look at Mario games. That shit's fun no matter how old you are because it's designed well.

that is a remake. we know a botw sequel is on the works for next year

>People are saying that Gamefreak are bad, but let's see you do better
atlus has done better, square has done better, level-5 has done better, bamco has done better. most studios would do a much better job with pokemon than game freak has.
>They have to make a high quality pokemon game year on year
no they don't. all they have to do is make a pokemon game with pikachu and charizard in it. quality doesn't matter to most pokemon "fans."
>the haven't made a single mistake
xy was a mistake, sm was a mistake, usum was a mistake, legpiss was densetsu no kusgoe, swsh will be a mistake.
>they should be applauded for making what they have.
why should they be applauded for laziness?
>Also the audience is for little kids
western kids are playing fortnite, apex legends or cod, not pokemon. japanese kids won't hesitate to drop pokemon as soon as something better becomes trendy (see: yo-kai watch). the playerbase for both the main games and pokemon go are primarily people in their 20s.
furthermore, even if it was still mostly little kids playing pokemon, that's still no excuse for the games to be bad.
>Maybe you should look to play other games, if all you do is bitch about pokemon and gamefreak.
people bitch about pokemon and game freak BECAUSE they play other games and see all the ways in which this $90 billion franchise has fallen behind the rest of the industry.

I'm talking about the graphics and world design
Yeah id rather take sun and moons artstyle and design over it being developed by monolith

GameFreak owns Pokemon. Nintendo can't do shit.
Just like Nintendo couldn't tell Rare what to do with Conker or Banjo, for example.

>2009 heart gold/soul silver
>2010 black/white
>2012 black2/white 2
>2013 X/Y
>2014 Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire
>2016 sun/moon
>2017 ultra Sun/Ultra Moon
>2018 Lets go
>2019 Sword/Shield
hold shit, didn't even realized this

Exactly. Now we know it wasn't the hardware limitations that were keeping the Pokemon games from improving. It was limitations in imagination of GF that is holding the franchise back.

But Pokemon is one of the worst examples of casualization. They've even fucking admitted they wanted to pander to smartphone kids' failing attention spans. Only a complete overhaul of the formula can save the series from its slow decline.

>xy was a mistake, sm was a mistake, usum was a mistake, legpiss was densetsu no kusgoe, swsh will be a mistake.
almost forgot: oras was also a mistake.

Trust me, MHW is like ten times worse.
I actually smashed my copy of the game after playing it for like 10 hours, because I was so mad

Why the fuck would it look like that? Are you retarded?

Still linear and handholdy. Still the same battle system it has been since the first game. Still using the same monsters, the same art style, the same names. Yeah, totally different from Pokemon doing that.

>Too many games just became pointless casualizations, completely ruining the spirit of their series
and pokemon is one of the textbook examples of that.

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>xy was a mistake, sm was a mistake
Nah, you're just shitposting here.

you managed to play 10 hours of mhw where I only managed 30 minutes of sun and moon. I think we are the clear victors here

Eh, at least all those games are better than the dark ass times that was the DS games. DPPt was a horror that should never be repeated.

Honestly I don't think Game Freak even has a handle on what kids want anymore. What captured my attention about Pokémon as a kid was the feeling of setting off on an adventure and exploring the world with my team, and they've completely forgotten those roots - now it's annoying friend cutscene simulator and the regions are like walking through a theme park. If I were a kid playing XY or SM, I'd be bored.

Sounds to me like you don't even want Pokemon. You want something completely different wearing Pokemon's name just for brand recognition.
And Dragon Quest is far from linear and handholdy.

>I love lazy low effort 3ds ports! mmm yum thanks for the shit Nintendo! *schlorp*
Gotta love drones

xy was bland, unmemorable and unfinished.
sm was the exact type of "cinematic experience" that Yea Forums shits on when sony or western publishers do it, except ten times worse due to the horrible graphics, animations and writing.
both went full retard with nostalgia pandering to the point where the supposedly "new" regions felt like reskins of kanto (including having locations that were literally copy-pasted verbatim from kanto).

Because the target audience have 10 years old

>I love lazy low effort cinematic games that play themselves! mmm yum thanks for the shit Sony! *schlorp*
Gotta love drones

S E E T H I N G

>I love lazy low effort cinematic games that play themselves!
you mean like pokemon gen 7?

>No argument
Gotta love you drones.

The games don't even need to be open world but they need to have more focus on adventure, exploration and rotating the fucking camera with the right stick.

>Nintendos biggest IP
Because it's not Nintendo's biggest IP. It's not Nintendo's, and the part that they own in the end brings them less profits that many of their own titles. Also, Nintendo has little to zero input into what GameFreak creates - Creatures Inc is about marketibility potential, GF about games, Nintendo about releases.

Good luck hammering that into anyone's heads.
It's a game that's exclusive to a Nintendo system, so that means Nintendo owns it. That is the extent of the majority of Yea Forums's intelligence. Everyone here is a fucking retard, and this thread is proof.

Truth. The thread was started with an actually pre-downgrade image of BotW. They're in the throes of delusion.

Posting the only thing that makes me mad - that the graphics don't look climatic enough, Ni No Kuni like on PS3

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Maybe when you two are done sniffing eachothers farts you can come back to reality and realize this is the biggest Nintendo franchise regardless of "hurr consortium". Wouldnt even surprise me if you're just samefag, but you're pathetic all the same.

>Why doesn't it look like this?
Because fuck you.

>you can't have exploration with a fixed camera

Kill yourself newfag.

Actually, three, I didn't reply to Once again - it's not a Nintendo franchise. It's a partially owned franchise that Nintendo can do certain things with, but there's a reason why they rarely mix them up with their main titles. Did you see how shitty Pokemon spirits in Smash looked? There's not much Pokemon Company as a whole does for Nintendo itself.

Not literally look like this, but give it more style, anything. At this point Yo-kai beats the shit out of gen 8 graphics-wise

lower budget

If Nintendo did completely own Pokémon we would’ve gotten SMO tier games already
I’m a bitter bastard but even I have a hard time hating on that game

Get that shiny easy horseshit out of here.
Nu-Deviljho is a complete pushover compared to Classic Deviljho who doesn’t take any shit.
Nu-Deviljho just lets you smack him around

>don't even know what's different.
>bitch about mechanics we know nothing about.

ah Yea Forums.

No quite the opposite
Creatures and Gamefreak own more of Pokémon than Nintendo

So both of them are shit?
10 hours for a MH game is beyond pure shit tier when people play these games for 500 hours average
1/2 hour for a normally 12 hour game is also shit tier

Also can't program in a 3D space unless it's grid-based. They are very much stuck in the 2D gameplay mindset

because only retards care about muh grafix

>So why the fuck does Nintendos biggest IP not even look like this when Breath of the Wild did?
Because Mario has a completely different art style than Zelda, you dummy.

Well, GF's Town project kinda tries to emulate the Ni No Kuni style, but fails at it.

>Nintendo has no real say in how Pokemon games get developed.
>own 66% of the IP
They have more of a say than you think, they just let Game Freak do what they want because it'll sell 15 million copies either way.

> Breath of the Wild did

It didn't. It looked like shit