Just noticed this is finally playable on citra

Just noticed this is finally playable on citra

Is this better than fucking fates or should i just not bother with it?

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It's the complete opposite of Fates.
Take that as you will

thus a good game

it depends, what did you not like about fates?
also

how does the story and characters compare tho?

is it? Awakening still lags a bit during battles

>Game has shit gameplay
???

Good story and shit maps?

Actually yeah, that’s it.

imagine an alternative dimension conquest with amazing production values and oozing with style but totally boring when it comes to gameplay. That's Echoes. Still way better than the shit show that was Revelation, on par with Awakening and Birthright.
Echoes/Gaiden has a lot of interesting ideas and mechanics that got worked into Fire Emblem as time goes on, and it lives or dies based off of how much you like those ideas. Typically people more into JRPGs rather than SRPGs end up liking Echoes a lot more.

Some of the best songs, artwork and presentation in the series. Obsolete classes, shitty maps, some retcons that make one of the MCs look like a dumb dumb. Better than Revelations and Birthright, worse than Conquest.

thanks user

Good story
Great voice actic
Best soundtrack of the series
Meh map design
Actually difficult
No barrack supports
No waifu shit
No petting
No kids
Interesting characters
One of the best final maps of thr series
Best character design since radiant down
Berkut is a great villain

Its a solid 8 from me doug

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Still lags a bit during battles and shit but it's definitely playable now

It's a fucking terrible game. Level design isn't close to good, AI is retarded even for FE standards, and the mechanics that aren't close to good. The story is batshit retarded too

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No it doesn't have a good story, it's complete fucking. Don't ever listen to the thought of FEfags when it comes to a quality of something

It's awakening but with better plot, art and OST
In other words, no, it's still not worth playing it since the gameplay is just as bad

>Good story

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It's the same level of shit, the characters somehow have less depth than fucking Awakening

It’s better than revelation I guess, but that’s not saying much

Better than Birthright, worst than Conquest.

This on gameplay, story is better than Fates in general.

Who is this fucking autist who keeps spamming Echoes threads that are the exact same shit

"hey guys is this worth playing" "should I play this?" "how is this game"
Literally spammed all the fucking time with the same boxart image.

Is it just one autist trying to stir up shit every time?

Nope, Fates is the better game, but the worst story. That is something that most people tend to skip by, Fate is a very solid GOOD game, but it's story is awful.

Shadows of Valentia, is a decent, solid game, with decent enough story, but it also have some of the worst maps in the series.

Some retard who wants to force discussion about a shit game

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>decent, solid game, with decent enough story,
It's not any of these

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>Fates' class skills were OP (literally only replicate was OP)
>Implying the weapons were bad in Fates besides silvers
>Weapon triangle is SOMEHOW UNFAIR
>Literally contradicts himself the next sentence with the Fates weapons complaint by saying that weapon inventory space allows to carry many OP weapons

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>park sword user on bandit range
>dodge and kill it
woooow 500 iq strategy

Why can't you fucking faggots use sage

>RNG always works in your favour and WT doesn't act as a way to manipulate rng in your favour and encourage to use different weapons

I completed this game this saturday, I can say that Matilda is fucking good.

WT is braindead rock paper scissors strategy that only ever is useful in fucking FEH of all games.
There's a point in all games where WT stops mattering because all your units will hit despite disadvantage.

You clearly haven't played Fates Lunatic, because the hit/rate bonuses are massive with as high as 20% difference since enemies have maxed out weapon discipline meaning that if the enemy has a strong WTA. And no my Hector in FE7 never got hitrates above 70% when fighting against sword users.

And the game is fucking shit

loom I know Fates blueballed you really hard but let's not get ahead of ourselves

I only care about waifus

I loved it, music and voice acting are great, character designs are amazing. And an engaging story with good game play.

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>FEshit
No, absolutely not. FE is a fucking awful series that only the braindead nintendies eat up because of waifus. Play a real TRPG like Hoshigami or Ogre

I'm convinced anyone that says this game is garbage are just people that went in expecting to hate it because of how trash Fates was
true half of the maps are mediocre as fuck but the game as a whole is still better than half the games in the series and even the games people like to jerk off (FE4, Thracia) have garbage maps too

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Difference being that those games only have some bad maps, while Echoes has most of the maps be garbage.

No we need to get more ahead of ourselves since you autistic retards keep reposting the same exact threads all the fucking time to shill it and spread lies

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because Yea Forums is full of zoomers that barely play any games much less Fire Emblem but they want that streetcred of knowing what they're talking about

>game as a whole is still better than half the games in the series
Literally spreading lies. It's a fucking shill honeypot

Yup.

Story's decent. Characters ok, scenarios meh.

Maps are fucking awful.

There's an autistic Barneyfag in all FE threads who does nothing with his life but sit on Yea Forums and shit on Echoes and every single aspect of it. He's in this thread and it's obvious to spot.

is this you

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>Story's decent.
Yes the story of Alm the mary sue with his harem and a literal retard has a good story

how many games have you played then

Fernand did everything wrong.

No

>but the game as a whole is still better than half the games in the series
No, it isn't, most games in the series are way better than this turd. God I hate people like you.
>and even the games people like to jerk off (FE4, Thracia) have garbage maps too
There's a difference between having some bad maps and every map being shit. Not like FE4 is a good example because that game is another overrated piece of shit just like Echoes.

Based

The level of shilling is off the charts

>FE4
>hey walk around this barren map that you'll be on for 3-4 chapters
>Thracia
>hey walk around this barren map you'll be on for 3-4 chapters
>also there's single square hallways whenever you're inside
>Echoes
>hey walk around this barren map you'll be on for 3-4 chapters
>also any actually challenging maps assumes you were grinding

They're all awful
only good games are the Tellius games
you cannot argue this

Too fucking many

>play FE7 for the first time ever
>breaks my balls but it's a fair and fun challenge
>play FE6 afterwards
>it's a fucking cakewalk and all chapters are shitty seize maps with no substance

Am I missing something here?

>anyone praising thing I don't like is a shill
you're more pathetic than shillfags

If you don't like Echoes, than you value different things than somebody else in vidya and the game is not objectively shit, same could be said about any game.

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You literally described the Tellius games

If you praise literal garbage as good you are a shill. Notice how it doesn't go in any depth.

When Berkut was first introduced, I thought he was just a pompous ass, and he was, but by the end I just wanted to give the guy a hug.

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Or maybe it's a fucking garbage piece of shit with some of the worst level design conceived, the shit mechanics, and the broken AI, and the mediocre repetitive music, and the crappy story, and the awful characters, and the recycled animations, and the eye bleeding art, and the stupid twirl the MC do at the beginning of the the PP. But nah lets just forget all that, that's a staple for FEfags to be in the sub-70s.

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He's also tacked on and forced like all the new content in Echoes, so it's more you are a delusional retard.

The presentation is great, the gameplay is some of the worst in the series. I still recommend a playthrough.

Man, I could go in depth but I wanna leave soon, I just thought I'd respond so OP knows it's a solid game. The shill meme is so dumb gotdang.

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Oh God, it's FE Barneyfag again

Games with bad gameplay can't be soild now matter how much you spill this meme

>one person ruined Fire Emblem threads forever
That's what I call weaponized autism, WMD levels of autism

Yes presentation is so good you get shit art by a hack artist that doesn't know how to draw anything that isn't a moeblob for a female and music that makes your ear bleed with it's generic repetitive beats

user you have opened up the flood gates for fe fags.
>DURRR FE 5 IS THE BEST
>DURRR FE 6 (OR 7) IS THE BEST
>HURR NO AWAKENING IS THE BEST
>PERRRR FATES IS ACTUALLY PRE GOOD
Please just explain what you are looking for in your fe.

Do you want...
>solid map design
>solid story
>solid support (wifu)
>solid challenge
What are you looking for?

>>solid map design
>>solid story
>>solid support (wifu)
>>solid challenge
No FE game offers these it's a moot question, he just wants to shill his shit game more

I honestly didn't know echoes was being spammed here all the time

I just recently opened citra and saw that i could finally play it was just looking for some opinions

I value story, soundtrack and supports

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user why do you always have to be so fucking autistic.

Then i think ull like echos.

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He was taken too soon from us.

>I value story, soundtrack and supports
PoR, avoid RD

>I value story, soundtrack and supports
You don't like videogames, you like visual novels, Echoes will be perfect for you.

If a game had good story, soundtrack and characters but bad gameplay would you play the game or just watch a playthrough of it?

>durr games with good story are not videogames!

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You won't find anything of that in Echoes despite what the shills say. The entire game is bad writing 101 since it's poorly executed. Alm preaches about how birth status doesnt matter and he's going to forge his own path as peasant boy who saved the continent yet none of this shit happens.
>Hey look it's a magic sword that only royalty can supposedly use. Try picking it up Tobin.
>Wow I can't lift it because it's too heavy, here Alm, you try.
>Wow I can lift this sword easily. I don't understand why you can't lift it Tobin. I sure do love being of common birth, haha.
Hell this isn't the extent of the problems with the plot. Echoes plot hinges on a ridiculous set of circumstances/coincidences. Wherein Alm placed from being thought of as a peasant into a leader by the one non-classist knight who just happens to be leading a rebellion (mind you this is one of the dumbest scenes written in a video game). A rebellion to oust the traitor in league woth Rigel and the rest of the knights with a force of peasants and militia. Apparently Rudolph knew when Alm was born. That a boy called Clive would grow up to be the one non-classist knight and lead a force that Alm can join that is capable of overturning the rest of the knights and invading Rigel. It goes further beyond this with how fucking retarded people like Clive are in the story. The music is barely above shovelware quality. Doesn't help it doesn't use its score at all like having unique themes for each encounter. 40% of the listening time having to bear though the same garbage repetitive tracks that play over and over, nor does supports add insight or depth to the most one dimensional cast in a game to date.

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You people have to stop giving CQfag (you)s. It's super obvious which posts are his, just pretend they don't exist.

Are you a fucking retard? How can a game with bad characters and story be a good visual novel?

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It kinda fucking sucked. The game is retarded easy until the last fight all your units take like half their life bars worth of damage when the big bad moves.

Much better than Fates. It's not even close.

>gatekeeping videogames of all things
lmao i bet you get mad at kids playing fortnite

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You also need to stop making your shill threads about the same shit over and over again.

>playing fire emblem for the story

>Your parental figure dies
>Fight bandits who are evil for pillaging
>Fight lower-level lords who are evil for no reason
>Make politically-powerful allies - who you almost always have to fight before recruiting
>Fight higher-level lords who are evil for no reason
>Fight a dragon
There i've spoiled every FE story for you

The only times it's ever been mixed up was Awakening w/ time travel or when Arvis mindcontrols your wife so he can rape her with mind-control consent and even fathers a kid with her

>Pokemon was everywhere but that's OK
>Fortnite is everywhere but that's bad

The endgame is retarded easy like the rest of the game, how bad are you

PoR? The game with the shit story is worth playing?

Berkut's VA deserves an award or something for this game

Imagine being mentally disabled enough to think it has any of these.

Only thing he deserves is to get blacklisted

Those endless mogalls were tough and you fucking know it
Unless you play on easy/normal or grinded, it's difficult
That being said, difficult endgames are the most important part of FE. All that strategizing and coordinated leveling needs a payoff

Is this an actual opinion or are you just trying to bait me? Berkut's VA been pretty widely celebrated
I'm talking about the English VA, obviously because I'm not a complete fucking weeb

Yeah not like warp exists or that Alm can solo the whole thing by himself. It's always the people who praise this game have some sort of mental disorder to find it difficult.

>difficult endgames are the most important part of FE

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Being praised by the low IQ is very very sad

Play both they’re lopsided but interesting

Alright, I'm not falling for it.
If you wanna make good bait, come up with shit reasons to back up your bait opinion

Echoes is pretty interesting by how bad it is truly

It's not bait, do you have the abilty to think for yourself or is the pay for shilling that good?

It’s an ambitious form of awful

Pay's pretty good. I couldn't afford to fuck your mother weekly without it

See, it's just shilling. That's why no one can counter objective truth.

Sacred Stones but only on Ephraim route

dont forget to get the rise of the deliverance dlc, wish they put more effort into the main game like they did on that

I liked it, the maps didn't bother me but they were simple and there was too many cantors and swamp tiles.
neat little hybrid tactical/dungeon game, best on 3DS for FE imo
idk about fates, I mostly diddled around with the MyCastle there, the story campaign didn't interest me as much so it felt like a slog just to get more stuff to gussy up my castle, which was what I really wanted to do. Loved that stuff.

genny is the cutest

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>Typically people more into JRPGs rather than SRPGs end up liking Echoes a lot more.
The best meme of all time. No one with a brain likes this game jrpg or not. It's repetitive, tedious and plays itself. You don't have to think or calculate. It's closer to FFT you move chirpy anime characters around boring flat plains and win without effort. Team creation is superficial because you don't need to consider class pros or cons to succeed. It's not the "jrpg of fire emblem" because a lot of jrpgs are strategic and offer some resistance. Echoes is just dumbed down. There's nothing to the gameplay. It's not a good dungeon crawler either when the game had linear corrdier areas and no actual puzzles, and instant heal in and out of battle, or get free provisions basically every step you make, or when the game forces encounters on you. The high enemy bulk, large maps, super restrictive terrain (i.e. deserts/swamps) and generally lov Mov for most classes.

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A shitty pack thats barely above the base since it uses the flaw mechanics and doesn't even have threatening enemies? Truly a great deal

Okay be real with me Yea Forums: Will we ever have a good Fire Emblem thread again?

>a lot of jrpgs are strategic
>pic of persona 4
>criticize fe echoes

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Literally more harder than Echoes and that's fucking sad

>Story
Eh, better than most FE games. I'd say the good parts are the class stratification themes and whatnot.
>Soundtrack
Hnnnggg
>Supports
Not as plentiful as other games but quality over quantity and the game is 99% voiced.

It's always funny how drones need to subjective due to deep down even they know it's bad.

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>Oh shit, he used a reaction image from a video game, that must means he LIKES that game!

>Eh, better than most FE games.
Oh? What's good about it? The themes that got spit on? Alm being a complete mary sue? The retarded situations everyone is in
>but quality over quantity
Yeah it would be great if Echoes had that wouldnt it?

no jrpg is hard or challenging

Need to subjective? I don't understand
I like FE

Same goes for FE. And?

FE is a jrpg you dip shit

Of course you wouldn't understand, people who like bad games don't have brains
>I like FE
Even more embarrassing than pretending Echoes is good

Etrian odyssey disagrees, as long as you play blind

Not only did you bump this thread making it go on longer, that's what was stated.Slit your throat you stupid fuck

When shills stop making threads about their shit game

>Your parental figure dies
Eliwood: uhhhh hmmmm.... oh my stomach arrrrghhhh it hurts so much I guess I'll have to send my incompetent son instead ahhhhhh

same cringey, lame shit as ever

Fucking kill yourself retard

I I hate this game, no shirtless Alm

It was part of Elichad's plan to get Hector killed

>Eliwood: uhhhh hmmmm.... oh my stomach arrrrghhhh it hurts so much I guess I'll have to send my incompetent son instead ahhhhhh

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ok

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If you're the OP, I actually knew you weren't the same idiot spamming Echoes threads daily. The picture he uses to post is always the same filename. I finished the game last month for the first time on Hard Classic so I can give you some of my opinions about the game:

>Story is your usual FE stuff, MCs have to save the world from zealots and a dragon. MCs are kind of one-note, with Alm being too much of a goody two-shoes, while Celica being the church-raised idiot. The other supporting characters are more interesting
>Gameplay feels more like an RPG with bits of strategy here and there. It's fun but almost all maps are too simple and open and it's more like playing chess on a plain field than managing yourself through a huge area filled with obstacles. Dungeon exploring is actually cool but only the last three labyrinths are lenghty enough to be interesting. I can say it has a hard as fuck postgame dungeon and whoever says is easy just because of Alm is a fucking liar, as he can't really solo everything unless you inflate him with stat boost fountains
>Music is amazing, nuff said. Only issue is that it will repeat during the first three acts. Only after Act 4 you can finally listen to more tracks
>Presentation is by far the best in the series. The art is beautiful and the voice acting is unexpectedly fantastic. Berkut's voice actor deserves an award.
>Supports are ok but limited, some characters have a couple, others only have one. Genny can only have her one support if you recruit Sonya.

Give it a try. In map design it definitely is on a low end but is still a pretty fun game overall.

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You shills just keep on fucking going, christ

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When you see that one retard who incoherently babbles in an FE thread, it's best to ignore them.

>genny

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delete this

>muh fluff, muh daddy
Great character

Alright, sounds good
Best girl

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What's her character that isn't her shit design?

Cantors were probably the worst aspect of the game. Hated those dickheads

What are you even trying to say?

I agree, they made almost all of Celica's route unbearable to play.

Story is good, a lot better than Fates’ though it won’t blow your mind.
Music is great, not quite as good as Fates’ though.
The characters are poorly balanced and the maps and dungeons aren’t great. The game’s saving grace in my opinion is Mila’s Turnwheel, which basically gives you a limited number of savestates on each map. No more soft resetting on shitty growths or character deaths.

Yes I value gameplay. Fire Emblem was never popular for its plot.

>The other supporting characters are more interesting
None of them are interesting, Who the fuck are these good characters in Echoes The game has the most 1-dimensional cast in the series. Just because they've got great voice acting doesn't mean they're actually good or nuanced characters. They've all got like 1-3 supports each and a conversation with the protagonist and that's it, and you generally don't get much of anything out of them. No, a backstory isn't a personalty, all FE characters have that, For example, let's just use a random character, Genny. What the fuck do we know about Genny? She was abandoned at a priory and has daddy issues because she never knew her dad. And she likes writing. That's literally all there is to her.
Let's throw out another, Gray.
He's literally just your generic flirt character and that's it. He's apparently described as more worldly than the other villagers or some shit but you never see any of this. You know literally nothing about him except that he found his life boring and he wants to fuck Clair and Mathilda. That's pretty much it. He has zero depth. Clair is a snotty rich bitch and that's it, Saber is a merc and that's it, none of them are interesting.
>gameplay feels more like an RPG with bits of strategy
What strategy?
>It's fun
What's fun? You can't even say any of the mechanics are close to good since they aren't.
>Dungeon exploring is actually cool
Linear corridor areas, no actual puzzles, instant heal in and out of battle, free provisions every step you make is cool?
>I can say it has a hard as fuck postgame dungeon and whoever says is easy just because of Alm ...
youtube.com/watch?v=D9qZO3-JXHM
It's a fucking joke regardless if Alm can solo it since you have dread fighters, clerics and bow knights. You can't say it's hard but Echoescucks can due to having mental disorders
>Music is amazing
It's barely above a shovelware title

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What's good Fire Emblem music to you? What soundtracks do you like from each game?

Nah man cantors were great. This game is perfect it doesn't have any flaws

The whole game is unbearable to play

If I recall Turnwheel doesn't change level up results when you use them.

>learns important spells early, including invoke just in time to fuck the necrodragons that can fuck your shit up when you first come across them
>good stats
>gets physic so you have ranged healing well before alm does unless you use cleric faye(which you should)
>summons the shittiest units, which in turn make them the best bait
>ready to roll at a moments notice
Great character indeed

It's just some guy trying to bait people into saying it's good (because it is) so he can autistically screech about how much he hates it. Same shit happens with other games, like XC2 and Metroid. Just an obsessed autist ruining discussion for everyone else.

>Story is good
Again, what's so good about the story again? Have FEfags never seen or played a game with a actual story they slop this shit as good?

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I like Echoes. It isn't amazing, but it isn't shit either.
I just hope more info on TH shows it off better, because the direct worried me.

Genny is a precious thing.

If you valued gameplay you really wouldn't be playing FE either

Shit, meant to say expel. But I guess invoke can distract the dragons too

>but it isn't shit either.

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I hate responding to you, but I have to point out how fucking ironic that reaction image is, holy fucking shit.

Oh so now we can about gameplay apparently! Never minding that fact that she like all stave users are beyond broken

I don't know why my Genny is great while Silque gets shat on alot. I dont remember if they get different skills too

There is no point, notice how no one can say how the plot is actually good?

Can't implement a "be"?

>Mila’s Turnwheel
Consequence free things are not a saving grace

Silque's invoke is better for summoning dread fighters instead of spearman. Silque also gets warp where as Genny doesn't.

None of them, FE has dogshit soundtracks

What's wrong with Fire Emblem's gameplay?

>berkut is a great villain

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>b-b-b-but my mediocre VA!!!!!!!!

Invoke is such a good spell not because it summons allies to fight for you, but because it summons units with 1 HP to trick the enemy's AI into ignoring your own units. The more likely an enemy is to kill an invoked unit, the more valuable the spell, so Silque's version is actually the worst one, since her dread fighters have some semblance of an avoid stat.

Are you the same kind of autist upset that MHW finally streamlined all the annoying bullshit from previous MH games? Because literally all Mila's turnwheel is is a more efficient way to soft reset, which is much better than letting units die like a retard (which nobody does) or playing on casual like a bitch.

I found DF invoke to be better by being able to tank better meaning they can stall enemies longer while you kill the surrounded enemies with ranged units.

Alright so which video game soundtracks do you like?

Anyone who actually thinks the turnwheel is good is the same kind of fucking retards who defend any kind of casualization with trial and error nonsense. You either need to retrace your steps with a different rng seed with different results and make sure to maximize reliability next time or you continue with your lost. You won't convince anyone it's a good mechanic because it's not.

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What's good about Echoes. Seriously explain in depth

>redoing it isn't enough now, it's a game mechanic so i don't look hardcore anymore....
>y-you have to do it over b-because of the RNG seed, y-yeah
Have fun being actually autistic, I'll have fun playing video games with convenient mechanics that make them more enjoyable to play.

Its shit and people only to like it to pretend they are FEoldfags

In this post you said nothing and didn't counter a single point. All you did was make very very desperate attempt to keep bumping a shit thread about a shit game and the morons who can't handle objectivity

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>you like?
Just stop

underrated, echoes is for mediocre VNs fans

Don't reply to me you fucking faggot

Best preparation themes coming through:
youtube.com/watch?v=eB8FJGuFXcc
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Silque gets warp which was even more broken in the original. Makes a lot of chapters easier since you can warp to key targets and kill them immediately. This is made a little easier/safer in the new one since faye can just warp whoever out after and you can use hunters volley or double lion to kill shit much easier.

>enemies don't charge you unless you're in their immediate attack range, so you can slowly crawl forward at your leisure and pick off enemies one by one
>one particular enemy didn't even react when I shot him through a wall with an archer. He just stood there motionless in the 3 turns it took to finish him off with ranged attacks.
>bosses similarly don't pose a threat, because they remain glued to the gate/throne they're guarding, so you can just have all your characters surround them and take potshots at them.
>flying units have to move around ground-based enemy units. Why can't they fly over them like they do over obstacles?
>archers can only fire from 1 square away. That means they're essentially not really archers, but just a different flavor of melee attack.
>even magic functions exactly the same as physical attacks. I have yet to see any spell that does anything other than deal single-target damage. And for some reason spellbooks weigh as much as a steel spear.
>some things are just mindless busywork, like having to use healers to constantly cure 1 point of damage just to ensure they don't fall behind xp-wise. Oh, and apparently you have to wait 50 billion turns for units to unlock their support conversation. Are these games designed for autists?
>the game consists mostly of dead space, maps are massive but because encounters only happen in close quarters (even archers have a laughably short range), most of your time is just spent mindlessly moving units forward rather than making interesting decisions
Nevermind that half the series can't even call trpgs

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My biggest complaint about Mila's Turnwheel is what it unintentionally does to the story of the game, since they just needed to include it as an actual in-game item. Like yeah, it's no wonder that Alm and Celica "overcame the odds" and won the war, no general in history would have ever lost a single battle if they could watch the whole thing happen and then rewind back to the beginning and plan accordingly. It gives them a hilariously unfair advantage which is never really discussed.

Nah man this game has perfect writing, no problems whatsoever.

I honestly kind of like the turn wheel but they give you far too many uses and it can go way to far back. I guess it’s ok to have that many uses because of the shitty dungeons but everywhere else it’s rediculous. The sad thing is it’s not even the most casual thing, retreating is.

play the superior game instead

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Strongly consider suicide if you play Fire Emblem games.

You think the turnwheel is good due to being a braindead casual

Based and truthpilled

Conquest’s Plot is so bad you can derive joy from it potentially
This plot is just eh

youtu.be/TpDkiEchT1Q
You're dead wrong, actually.

Sounds like shit. What the fuck is this garbage

Ok

>bitching about the wheel when Fates phoenix mode exists
lol

Not okay you retard

Between their very similar posting patterns is anti-Echos user the same person as the Conquestfag?

>Some of the best songs, artwork and presentation in the series
None of this is true, Why are you lying?

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>excellent visual style and aesthetics
>best soundtrack since GBA FE
>tight dungeon crawling that controls miles better than legit dungeon crawlers like SMT, yes i'm serious fuck off
>non retarded classic FE style story with no dimensional bullshit or retarded future children is an absolute fucking blessing after awakening and fates
>maps are overhated and no worse than half of the other FE games, excused for this anyway because it's a remake of the second fucking game in the series
>battle mechanics are literally fine, the game functions fine without the weapon triangle, extreme range archers actively make the game more fun, and the only negative thing is how broken dread knights are
>mila's turnwheel is the single best mechanic the series has ever had and is vastly superior to casual and phoenix mode
>not infuriatingly difficult
>other than the villagers everyone only has a few promotion options which vastly cuts back on having to look up which bullshit reclass you have to do; fewer options for this is better because each unit can better be balanced for their class and you don't end up doing the wrong thing and ending up with a useless unit nearly as often
>no fucking eugenics simulator so no fucking around with skills or bullshit like that
Now never post again.

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Alm's route is definitely my preferred one. Cantors didn't help Celica's route much.

>One is availible in all modes, the other is a literal babby mode but is a separate mode nothingness.

Of course he is, was this ever even a discussion? I thought everyone already knew.

Both are shit why does it matter?

yes

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The maps really aren’t excusable when the game before it had far better maps.

I honestly can’t tell if this post is bait

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You never raised any points to counter, all you did was tell me to do something ridiculous for a bullshit reason instead of using the game mechanic that effectively does the same thing, or just power through like a retard, which is what I'm beginning to suspect you are. FE Echoes is a very good game and you are very autistic.

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I like it a lot. Love the characters and story, and exploring dungeons is fun.

This guy is.
He literally thinks every thing can be broken down into a black and white view and that everything is objective.
He also thinks the art is bad for some reason

>continually misses hits at 90%
>Everybody crits at 3%
With RNG like this, just play xcom desu

the ost is literally 4 good songs. dungeons are awful and tedious as shit, full of useless fights and get boring after a while. the story is the same good dragon vs bad dragon, maps are non-existant, some classes like cantors are plain anoying and villagers don't really care since the game is so short that you can beat it with a couple of units.

echoes is fine as a different game but previous FE eat it alive, sorry

>other than the villagers everyone only has a few promotion options which vastly cuts back on having to look up which bullshit reclass you have to do; fewer options for this is better because each unit can better be balanced for their class and you don't end up doing the wrong thing and ending up with a useless unit nearly as often
Almost was never a problem in the first place.
>no fucking eugenics simulator so no fucking around with skills or bullshit like that
Were eugenics and class skills a bad thing?

>excellent visual style and aesthetics
Explain? How can shit art by a hack artist that doesn't know how to draw anything that isn't a moeblob for a female or the same fucking face for everyone be good?
>best soundtrack since GBA FE
Already disproven
>ight dungeon crawling that controls miles better than legit dungeon crawlers like SMT
Just stop, just fucking stop
>non retarded classic FE style story with no dimensional bullshit or retarded future children is an absolute fucking blessing after awakening and fates
Already proven why the story is bad. Can you counter it?
>maps are overhated and no worse than half of the other FE games, excused for this anyway because it's a remake of the second fucking game in the series
This is the first game in the series
>mila's turnwheel is the single best mechanic the series has ever had and is vastly superior to casual and phoenix mode
>not infuriatingly difficult
Yeah mind numbing easy
>other than the villagers everyone only has a few promotion options which vastly cuts back on having to look up which bullshit reclass you have to do; fewer options for this is better because each unit can better be balanced for their class and you don't end up doing the wrong thing and ending up with a useless unit nearly as often
None of this is even true, and there are tons of jobbers
>no fucking eugenics simulator so no fucking around with skills or bullshit like that
Yes forgot FEfags love being casual

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Shadows of Valentia was good! Especially since it had Cipher tie-in characters!

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Don't forget that it isn't enough that SOME things are "objectively bad" about a game, if something is bad, everything in the entire game has to be bad. He doesn't like Echoes map design, so this means that everything else HAS to be bad too: The art is bad, the music is bad, the writing and voice acting ALSO bad. He'll never argue WHY any of these are bad, he'll just dress up those same blanket statements in lots of words to trick you into thinking he's making an argument. Meanwhile, since some maps in Conquest are good, that means the entirety of Fates are good, which means the story, character writing, and character designs are all good.

This is literally his logic. You literally can't argue with him. Also he responds so fast to posts that I'm pretty sure he bought a Yea Forums pass just to shitpost.

>Almost was never a problem in the first place.
It happened to me all the time in Fates and Awakening because every unit had like a hundred things they could reclass to.
>Were eugenics and class skills a bad thing?
Maybe not for you but they sure fucking pissed me off.

>all you did was tell me to do something ridiculous for a bullshit reason instead of using the game mechanic that effectively does the same thing
Yes, resetting and using the turnwheel is the same thing. Totally
>just power through like a retard
So what is it, is FE designed around permadeath or not?

>FE Echoes is a very good game
Bad gameplay can't be good

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>proven
You saying something doesn't prove it. I told you not to post again.

>It happened to me all the time in Fates and Awakening because every unit had like a hundred things they could reclass to.
Okay but was that a problem to you that you had options to change a unit?
>Maybe not for you but they sure fucking pissed me off.
Lmao fuck off with this weak shit, I don't care what you feel what I care about is reasons why you think they're bad.

>battle mechanics are literally fine
Nope

>Magic not scaling with skill making the stats completely worthless on casters and the skill list for the characters is completely random. Magic takes off HP, which is a cool concept but HP pools are so bloated it doesn't even matter, and white mages also take off HP so you infinite heal off each other and just raise exp all day and staffs are infinite too so you can spam shit like warp and other OP spells all day
>AI makes decisions that make it seem like the AI is broken
>cantors are the worst gimmick ever created
>you get to use all the characters on the first time through and a lack of branching classes means that everyone always ends up the exact same. Combine that with very slow grinding and a number of very bad maps and replay value is extremely low for a FE game
>UI is a step backwards with the weird detailed forecast, no grouping the same items together, no mini map on the bottom screen during battles, dungeon map is poorly designed, and choosing aesthetics over information on the status screen, UI doesn't show Critical Hit rates, Dodge rates, and Avoid rates
>dread fighters are OP
>Armors are total garbage
>weapon skills are a nerf to damage because of a lack of double attack and only needing one point speed higher
>the absurd amount of food items you're given makes stamina meaningless, even if you don't want to hobble your ass to a Mila statue, which is easy as shit to do, you can just say fuck it and use up flours or bread until you get there
>Healers being broken as shit makes continuous health not matter, just have Genny invoke and psychic everyone while the enemies are battling the soldiers. especially pointless if you have Tatiana who can just fortify everyone at once
>every single map and placement of the enemies are the same for each enemy.
>there are almost zero incentives or rewards in dungeons other than clearing it for exp, stat fountains, or getting to a mila statue to promote someone

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The thing that really gets me is that he can’t even make a conseccsion that Conquest has a bad plot.
He’ll just hand wave it away saying “it’s just as bad as any other game”
It seriously has the most retarded plot and logic I’ve honestly seen in any game and I’m a fucking Kingdom Hearts fan

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>Just noticed this is finally playable on citra
What build?

Cipher is good too, before I forget!

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>no resource management due to infinite durability and free marks and supplies given every, every force random encounter gives the player 100 marks
>game has no progression, with Killing Bows being the best weapon in the game and they are mid tier weapons promoting the player to not use higher tiers since they can't compete with it and do to the shit forging reduces weight/increase MT and hit for free rather than previous games where you have to make a choice with the gold you were using to increase three different factors
>pegs and mages don't get a 3rd promotion making their effectiveness drop heavy during the mid to late game and doesn't contribute much in the first place unless you are a bad player
>You still have to seek out a Mila's Servant to change your class, with no options to do so in towns
>archers are completely broken with things like trance shot and hunters volley, 5(?)-range doubling with bonus crit, can literally OHKO enemies from halfway a cross the map, there is a major skill imbalance in the game
>There are only two difficulty settings, Normal and Hard. All hard does is change enemy stats and levels but not by much, however this has the side-effect of giving player units slightly more experience than in Normal Mode, compared to games like FE7HHM with enemies having higher stats, differing inventories, and there are more of them. The composition of enemies can also vary greatly, requiring different strategies altogether to approach them. In many chapters, the number of deployment slots is reduced, giving the player fewer units to work with, and less gold in total. Or FE12 Lunatic with higher stats, maximum weapon levels, and enemies can have higher level weapons such as Silver Swords and Bolganone much earlier, different inventories and positions.

that reminds me, is Shadow Dragon worth a try? i hardly see any discussion about it

Explain why this is wrong

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Ah, an ACfag type. Just another thing I love that I can't discuss on Yea Forums then. I'm assuming he's also a ban evading autist so reporting him will do nothing.

Eugenics only mattered for shit like Apotheosis. You can still beat the entire game with Gen 1 units

>gameplay is worse than fates by a massive margin
>almost everything else is better

except waifus
Go ahead and play it.

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Yes, the maps overall aren't that good, but I've seen worse.

Oh look a shit character. Notice now pierifags are the most mentally disabled human beings on earth .

Yes, it's a good remake, unlike Echoes. And New Mystery is even better.

I really don’t know what it is about this fucking site that just attracts people who just enjoy repeating posts and derailing any thread about something they don’t like.
Like why don’t you just play games at that point if you’re not actually discussing anything.

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>The art is bad, the music is bad, the writing and voice acting ALSO bad
All true

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If you can get over the shit art it’s a somewhat decent game.

Shadow Dragon very easily broken, but that's kind of what makes it fun. It's very easy on normal mode, but it's got five levels of hard, which can scratch pretty much every kind of itch you could have, from hard 1 being still a relatively easy and relaxed FE game to hard 5 essentially requiring that you use every broken option the game hands you. There's not a whole lot of writing, but what IS there is pretty good.

>he’s so fucking autistic with tunnel vision he doesn’t even understand the point of the post

Why can't you handle that it's a bad game that rightfully gets shitted on?

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You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're probably the only person in the world who's played the game who thinks that. Or at least one of very very few.

>No response from Echoesfags

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Sound like you're mad because people are insulting your favorite game.

Explain how the writing is good, Explain how the music is good. You can't since they aren't

It'll always amaze me at how simply posting one character can trigger people so easily.

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How do you fucking explain how music is good user?
Literally how

I think Echos is sub par and I’m critical in general of FE but to see someone just repeat same paragraphs day after day just leaves me scratching my head

>opinion
What is it with you people. This is all you can say in defense.

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>Yes, resetting and using the turnwheel is the same thing. Totally
Yes. That's the point of the turnwheel.
>So what is it, is FE designed around permadeath or not?
It's designed around tactical gameplay, the object is to prevent your units from dying while completing the map. They made it so you can do that without turning off the game, without foregoing the tactics. You still fix your mistakes. Litrerally what do you find wrong with this?
>Bad gameplay can't be good
Good thing Echoes doesn't have bad gameplay.

>explain how the music is good
Literally what

You literally can't fucking counter truth.

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>How do you fucking explain how music is good user?
What's good about it?

You can’t counter autism user.
And you clearly have it because you cannot fathom the concept of opinions

I can literally make the same argument to you, CQfag, here, watch:

Explain to me quite clearly, I am apparently retarded, remember, WHY the music and voice acting in Echoes is bad. Enlighten me.

>Mila turnwheel is the best mechanic
>What is attack stance?
>What is rescue
>What is skill scrolls in Tellius

Music is literally the most subjective medium of art.
You literally can’t say “this music is good”

>Yes. That's the point of the turnwheel.
They don't have the same function. Resetting means to start all the way to the beginning of the map with a different seed, not the turnwheel at all
>It's designed around tactical gameplay
hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah thanks for the laugh.
>Good thing Echoes doesn't have bad gameplay
Already proven true

That's all you can say. muh opinion like it fucking matters

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>you cannot fathom the concept of opinions
And you can't fathom the concept of objectivity.
>Well in my opinion Revelations is a masterpiece! the maps are all gimmicky shit but that's ok, because I like them!
>What? that they're bad designed because reasons? Oh I don't care, I like them, therefore the game is good, shut up
No one gives a shit about your opinion, you can like whetever you want, still doesn't change the fact that some things are good and others aren't. Learn to cope with the fact that some things you like are trash.

>deflection
Lost, that was quick. Besides the music is the same ear bleeding with it's generic repetitive beats that play over and over and the VA can't emote for shit

They do have the same function, you're nitpicking minute differences claiming they matter when they are utterly inconsequential. A different RNG seed, what a fucking joke. Go pretend to be hardcore somewhere else.
>not countering my points or answering my questions
>still haven't proven anything you say is proven
How's life with your disability?

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No, you don't get to ignore the question. You talk a big game about "objectivity," so spill it: Why is Echoes music "objectively" bad? Why is the artwork in Echoes "objectively" bad? You expect me to be able to make a case for why they aren't, so then you must have a case for why they are. If you don't, that would just make you an enormous hypocrite.

>They do have the same function, you're nitpicking minute
Already proven they don't. Why are you trying? How is going back to the start of the map the same as the turnwheel? Is this the mental capacity of Echoescucks?
>not countering my points or answering my questions
Why are you lying?
>still haven't proven anything you say is proven
You keep repeating the same thing over and over despite it being wrong.

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>you're nitpicking minute differences claiming they matter when they are utterly inconsequential
There's a massive difference between replaying an entire map and simply using the turnwheel.

Why are you still responding to the autist who expected people to explain music

That's a good fucking question, user. I think I'm done with this thread.

>Why is Echoes music "objectively" bad
Simple, 90% of it's boring, repetitive, and lacks any real melody without focusing entirely on the beats, leading to a rather messy music tune and awful dissonance that should have been solved by switching to a 7th key or simply changing the beats lead to a better melody and not low brow substance. The music is barely above shovelware quality. It doesn't use its score at all like having unique themes for each encounter and 40% of the listening time having to bear though the same garbage repetitive tracks that play over and over.
youtube.com/watch?v=tBb1EsfnII4

>Why is the artwork in Echoes "objectively" bad?
He doesn't know know how to draw anything that isn't a moeblob for a female or the same fucking face for everyone. He uses the most bland and boring pastel fuckingcolors imaginable

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Not that guy, but whenever I see Echoesfans say that the music is one of the best it's not like it's impossible to at least explain why you like the music even though it might be subjective. Like for example I like Fates Ost for being more exotic, having only one map music play per chapter instead of an enemy phase music to keep consistency to the melody, and overall setting the tone well. Awakening on the other hand has some boring or messy map themes and has a generally boring sounding enemy phase theme.

>meh map design
>actually difficult
what are you saying units and map design are the core gameplay. if the maps are shit and getting raped by gorgons while moving one space is not difficult just tiring.

Maybe you stupid fucking maggots need to stop bumping the thread.

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>You keep repeating the same thing over and over despite it being wrong.
You have to understand the irony in this.You're insisting I haven't countered you (I have, you haven't countered me), you're insisting things are proven (they aren't), and your sources are your own dumbass posts (which are fueled by autism and prove exactly nothing). You say others opinions are wrong and tout objectivity when literally all of your ""proof"" for your ""objective claims"" is your own subjective opinions. You repeat yourself in every post and have done nothing but make ridiculous claims based on nothing but your autistic obsession with hating this game.
And yes, going back and fixing your mistake is functionally identical to going back further and fixing your mistake. If you're so autistic use the turnwheel to go back to the beginning of the map. The RNG seed literally doesn't matter, if you make different moves you'll get different responses. Maybe that's too much for your challenged brain to understand, considering you sure seem to be stuck in a fucking loop.

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>Good thing Echoes doesn't have bad gameplay.
pfffffffft

You literally don't know anything about music theory at all and just expected me to fold and think you knew what you were talking about. Jesus fucking Christ you're an idiot. Don't bother responding, I'm leaving the thread now.

echoes is shit an Im glad you cant circlejerk about shit like this on Yea Forums

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

>tfw we will never had three houses with these guys instead

I'll never understand how spergs like this guy aren't banned on sight. You guys are reporting him right?

>echoesfags got so ravaged by the fact their game is shit they have to resort to its fucking OST
oh shit i just listened to the soundtrack on youtube guess playing your precious game is meaningless now

>Moooooods someone insulted my favorite game!!! he's doing it on every thread make him stoooooop!

this isnt leddit where negativity is forbidden

>Wanting censorship of dissenting opinions

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If we were, it's bannable to say so.

>getting this mad I literally rip this game to shreds

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>And yes, going back and fixing your mistake is functionally identical to going back further and fixing your mistake
Would you people say the same about Phoenix Mode if Echoes was the one that introduced that shit?
What part of REPLAYING AN ENTIRE MAP don't you understand? They're completely different, if you use the turnwheel then you can just go back one turn and keep playing, that's it, piss easy, when you reset you have to REPLAY THE ENTIRE MAP, do you read that, fucking retard? THE ENTIRE MAP, if you fuck up and your favorite unit gets killed near the end, then you have to replay all that shit again, that's your punishment for being a shitter, you play again and get good, how the fuck can you compare that shit with simply going back one turn and fixing everything? Jesus fucking christ the things I have to read.

One person spamming the thread with a autistic stream of garbage posts and stifling discussion by autistically screeching at everyone who disagrees with you, which is usually everyone else in the thread for people like this, literally is against several the rules.
>shitting your diaper and throwing a tantrum on Yea Forums while posting smug anime girls is considered ripping a game to shreds
lol

We are living in different times, fellow user. Back then FE was about family, duty, honor, chivalry and fighting for ideals and your loved ones. Now is animu characters, cheap bait for pedos, autists and roleplayers with no message at all, only with objetive of become the next big normalfag flavor of the month.

Did you fucking save an inferior version of the same image so you could post it in the same thread twice

Why not?

These posts
All have valid points

Celica's lewd side makes me feel ways

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I mean.... I’m kinda impressed?
On one hand it’s lazy as fuck but on the other it’s the ultimate work around to only posting the same image once

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>so shamelessly autistic he doesn't even realize how stupid that makes him look
holy shit why is anyone even arguing with you, you're a fucking joke

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I'll post it again, okay? Just for you.

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>the story is like fire emblem and that's bad for some reason >:(
>look at all these minor nitpicks that i've blown out of proportion or straight up lied about >:(
>i dont think the AI is very good >:(
>i pretend to know about art and music even though i don't >:(
Congrats, I've just boiled down everything you've said in this entire thread. Your opinion isn't law, nor is it fact, and you certainly haven't proven anything. Stop posting.

>average echoesfag calls for censorship

Grindiest FE game with really shitty map design. Its not that bad of a game though its worth a go if you like the series.

>ou have to understand the irony in this
There is no irony
>you're insisting I haven't countered you
You haven't yet.
>you're insisting things are proven
Because they are objective facts.
>and your sources are your own dumbass posts
Only intelligent posts in this thread* Proven them wrong then
>You say others opinions are wrong
We we go, muh opinion. Shut the fuck up
>tout objectivity when literally all of your ""proof"" for your ""objective claims"" is your own subjective opinions
All backed with facts, examples and explanations.
>You repeat yourself in every post and have done nothing but make ridiculous claims based on nothing but your autistic obsession with hating this game
No at all, I'm very reasonable. It's used again and again since they can't be countered
>And yes, going back and fixing your mistake is functionally identical to going back further and fixing your mistake
What the fuck are you on? Do you not get the massive difference between replaying an entire map and simply using the turnwheel? Like seriously? Not only do you get 12 cogs you can start at any turn you want. It also lets to trial and error setups unlike a regular reset that starts at the beginning wasting a min/hours
>The RNG seed literally doesn't matter,
Yes it does, growths results aren't altered
>Maybe that's too much for your challenged brain to understand, considering you sure seem to be stuck in a fucking loop
No it's simple to understand why the turnwheel is bad. You just can't accept

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being shamelessly autistic is Yea Forums kino

>Minor nitpicks when all of those flaws add up and actively affect the experience
>Can't even address some of the individual points
Pathetic and delusional

>the story is like fire emblem and that's bad for some reason >:(
>look at all these minor nitpicks that i've blown out of proportion or straight up lied about >:(
It's bad because it doesn't make sense and completely retarded. How can you not understand a single point that was made? Like fuck even the dumbest shit with Clive wasn't stated.
>i dont think the AI is very good >:(
They are literally retarded and just conga into you, those near death just ignore everything around the player and head right to a heal spot, and there can even be a guy with 1 HP left right in front of them but literally just moves away from him. Take FE5 where the enemy AI does shit like using canto to their advantage, or flyers move in zig zag patterns to bait the player out. Or CQ Lunatic where the enemy uses its skills and dual attacks against the player. Echoes AI is just that fucking dumb.
>i pretend to know about art and music even though i don't >:(
I'm not a FEfag so I do know

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He's providing argument, wrong or not, we should report him because it hurts your feelings?
You're just mad because he's shitting on your favorite game. That's how the internet works, that's how Yea Forums works, get over it. If you don't like it, fuck off to reddit or something, or maybe not because I'm 100% sure that people will shit on things there too and there's nothing you can do about it.

Can’t wait for this guy to get banned for spam and see how much samefagging he’s been doing in this thread

cringe