Which character was worse/lazier written mary sue or megical negro?

Charles is based and there is nothing wrong with him unless you're an unironic racist triggered by the mere existence of a minority character that's a prominent part of the narrative

My problem with Sadie is that she's a violent retard who indiscriminately murders people left and right and gets away with it in a series that's all about the hollow nature of revenge and being incapable of escaping the consequences of one's actions

>Charles is based and there is nothing wrong with him unless you're an unironic racist triggered by the mere existence of a minority character that's a prominent part of the narrative
He is such a cliche though.
>In the cinema of the United States, the Magical Negro is a supporting stock character who comes to the aid of white protagonists in a film.[1] Magical Negro characters, who often possess special insight or mystical powers, have long been a tradition in American fiction.[2]
Pretty fitting.

Best post. Arthur lectures gang members all the time for their outbursts, but because Sadie misses her Jackie, it excuses her behaviour.

>mystical powers
>half Native American knows how to hunt

Sadie turns into an antisocial femcel by the end, she even straight up says she hates people and hasn't had sex since her husband was killed. She's also an alcoholic.

Arthur is the incel
>not married
>no girlfriend
>termal illness
>still doesn't use whores or Karen

Kills all immersion

What exactly was your issue with either character besides their race/sex?

That they displayed the traits or a mary sue and magical negro

It makes sense for him tho.
He's been married before and he had a son, both his wife and son died

EAT THAT

Not OP, but Sadie is a fucking garbage character.
Not only is she part of the muh widow getting revenge trope, but she's so reckless and retarded that you can't help but wonder why the gang didin't fuck her up the moment she started shooting at Colm's hanging

>muh buffalo we finna live off da land n respek n shieeeet
Dude was a charicature, all he was missing was the sambo lips

He has a girlfriend after though and she left him.
Makes no sense at all to not fuck as a free man desu.

>she started shooting at Colm's hanging
That was so bad I couldn't believe my eyes. And nobody said shit. Arthur always was against revenge too. And Dutch preached it too.

kek

Charles is actually decent, only issue is his harping about "being good" when he himself is a criminal that murders poachers point-blank with a shotgun.

Sadie is a terrible character that we're expected is supposed to be on, on near Arthur and John's level because she "split the work". Arthur writing that he doesn't want to end up on her "bad side" is the cherry on top.

Charles was at least likeable.
Addie sucked as a character.

This game sucked cock

Sadie for sure. Charles is cool.

i'd berry my dick so far into sadie the man who could pull it out would be crowned king arthur

>Arthur writing that he doesn't want to end up on her "bad side" is the cherry on top.
I hate it when games make certain characters out to be such badasses and a force to be reckoned with but then during actual missions they are laughably useless.

>He is such a cliche though.
The game is a western. What do you expect?

I don't think you retards babbling on about tropes and cliches understand the Western genre

Good writing

Why are there so many gang members who have like one two missions and then do absolutely nothing the whole game?

>Karen
>Tilly
>Mary-Beth
>Reverend Swanson
>Miss Grimshaw
>Molly
>Trelawny

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One of the last Sadie missions where she stabs the living shit out of a guy then sits there drenched in blood before she breaks down in tears was pretty great. Really shows that she's not as tough and heartless as she appears.
Most people just went "hurr durr strung fumule mury sue churucter" and made up their minds though.

They stood watch and kept the camp in check. Most of them also did put things in the money box.

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>Arthur $2000
>Sadie one tooth 1 cent
>Arthur 100000
>John one empty bottle 0 cent

It's 'bury'

>mary sue
that isn't her archetype at all. She was a constant fuckup because she always felt like she had something to prove. She was like Scrappy Doo who would get destroyed if Arthur and the gang weren't around to bail her ass out of the fights she starts.

the epilogue when john, uncle and charles build the ranch is the most heartwarming part I've seen in a game
I like to think Ross never did shit and they all lived happily on the ranch

>OUT THE CAMP YOU MONEY COUNTING JEW!

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>you reckon' i'm gonna believe that your people got kicked outta all them places for nothin' Mr. Strauss?!?!

>She was like Scrappy Doo who would get destroyed if Arthur and the gang weren't around to bail her ass out of the fights she starts.
That is not what they made her out to be at all. She was the one man army staying outside while the O Driscols raided the camp while all the others had to take cover inside. At least in cutscenes. During story mission she was of course useless.

Arthur isn't an incel, Mary-Beth is clearly into him, he can clearly get girls

he's just a romantic who's hung up on Mary Linton

So did Sadie get violated when all those O'Driscoll's were at her house?

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yes she went outside and arthur had to save her ass

But Dutch was into her so no mas.
Arthur must have a deformed dick or something for not even using whores. Made even less sense than Jack not using them.

sure, why would she be left alive then

That one mission where you rob a bank with Karen made her one thousand times more likeable than Sadie

Yes
No
She was shown fighting 3 armed guys off at the same time with a knife.
And when Arthur asked why she didn't go inside the reply was
>And miss all this?
She clearly don't need to savior at least in cutsenes.

>lenny and hosea both dead
>javier turns into an asshole
>bill also turns into a bigger asshole
>pearson disappointed
>the girls all done with the gang
The game gets so depressing after you hit Saint Denis, by the time you get back from GUARMA and PRISON, it's like they're nailing the rest of the coffin

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just had to bring u the black guy nobody had a problem with uhuh you racist white bitch

>building the ranch knowing john and uncle will be killed

Well, duh. Everyone is dead, and the ones that got away got killed by John. We already knew the gang fall apart.

Sadie is LITERALLY Poochie, so her.

It's like they were afraid to give him flaws or something.

Bill seems decent in rdr2
guess he's that type of guy who just builds resentment inside and it all exploded when he was in charge of his own gang

Such as?
How was Sadie a mary sue? She wasn't magically the best at everything, she wasn't loved by all she was mostly overly aggressive to the point of self sabotage, and as for Charles what was "magical" about him, he was just an average dude.
Yeah like I said she was an idiot but so were many of the characters what separates her from many of the other gang members?

>he didn't unlock the alternate ending
youtube.com/watch?v=ZSPosYP-bDg

Bill is exactly the kind of person who lashes out ten times as hard as he gets it. His development makes sense kinda, he felt betrayed and saying sorry isn't good enough.

Bill was a big fucking asshole, he was always fighting with the gang members even before Dutch turned on the gang. Hosea almost had Bill during a conversation, Bill just refuses to work, he's an outlaw NEET.

>outlaw neet
>wants to fuck western pretty boys and traps

Makes sense. Bill is Yea Forums.

The white savior

He also steals from the gang.
But then again
>That drunk conversation with Uncle
My sides exploded

Charles was cool, Sadie was an insane retard.

Which convo?

>Dutch used to fuck Mrs. Grimshaw
What the fuck no wonder she hated Molly

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>Arthur writing that he doesn't want to end up on her "bad side"
it wasn't written in the context of her being an actual physical threat. You're a literal brainlet user.

>I rushed through the game
kys

>Charles
best bro tier character. I wouldnt mid playing as him in DLC

Sadie was a broken person, she was an antisocial asshole but she kinda had a reason to.

Some people here are legit on the spectrum and can't read stuff like that.

Would you?

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Miss Grimshaw kept the camp running and was pretty based despite being a massive bitch

Bill was drunk around the camp fire talking to uncle that it's unfair how Dutch always makes him out to be an idiot.
He says he know he isn't as smart as Dutch or Hosea or you (talking to uncle) but he is at least as smart as John or Arthur.
Uncle than says Bill isn't dumb just like he himself isn't lazy.
Uncle just doesn't like to work that doesn't mean he is lazy.
And Bill just doesn't like to think. Doesn't mean he is dumb.
Bill agrees to this and seems cheered up.

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Yes even in her 40s. She still got them tits mang.

Why did everyone act like Arthur was a complete morom? Dude seemed smarter than Dutch and Hosea at times

it takes a bitch to keep a camp of outlaws up and running

He was just as smart as Dutch just with less carisma and not insane.
Hosea was the smartest of the bunch.

They did the same with John in the first game who seemed like one of the most reasonable and well spoken characters in the whole game.

He always played dumb, his real problem was his blind loyalty to Dutch, that's what got him taking the worse decisions. He should have ran away with his ex after the theater.

>We were friends!

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Or long before that. Before the caught the t.

not dumb but kind of a simple person without leadership or interest in being a leader

I feel like, after the theater his fate was sealed, his ex could have easily cured his disease with her wealth and tenancy.

The fact that there were no consequences for her

Tranny discord at it again

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Molly would get the D

The fuck are you on about? Her life is ruined, her future is ruined, her love life is ruined, she has no future. She is condemned to a life of loneliness, hate, frustration and self destruction.

I honestly couldn't make it through your post without cringing multiple times. That doesnt turn a normal woman into an invincible maniac who can take on 3 full grown men and now down towns worth of people.

Molly should’ve raped Arthur to get back at Dutch

His autism when it comes to animals is a flaw.

There was no cure for TB at the time

Do not change the argument, you said that there were no consequences for her when the game is narrating the consequences. She slowly lose her mind, and becomes more and more unstable.

There is no happy ending for that gal, unlike every Mary Sue has.

So if you not beat that rancher why does Arthur still get sick?

You have to beat him tho

This. She straight up says to John, "I want to die" when he's concerned about her safety while they're bounty hunting.

how is he magical at all

he's literally just a good hunter and tracker

Red Dead 3 should have you play as Young Uncle
>Smart enough to know Dutch was a psycho the whole time
>Shit talks everyone because he’s been through too much shit to care
>Calls himself a maniac
>Happily gives his life for John and his family
He’d just been roaming the West looking for his redemption

Pierson did all the cooking and women's work. All she did was nag me to donate even though I donated thousands while the other gang members donated $.50 here and there

How is Charles at all a "magical negro" you retard?

She should've died on the mountain.
At least Charles' gunshot looked like it might've missed his vitals so it's believable he made it. But Sadie takes a foot long Bowie knife to the gut and jut rides down a mountain to get patched up again.

I thought Charles was a Indian and not a nigger. Women was shit though.

Forced cutscene. Extra ludonarrative dissonance for you!

Uncle was the only character content with who and where they were.

And I doubt we will even get a straight up RDR3.

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There's a possible foreshadowing where she got stabbed in a mountain during Micah's hunt though. If weren't for John and Charles she would be dead already. So next time she might be not so lucky.

Maybe the writer wanted to use her? You are grasping at straws at this point.

And she likes it

lol is this the incel thread?

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That's not what that means

>Dutch preached it.
>Makes sure Colm gets hanged.

Okay nigga. Just admit you hate women.

Lol I was actually there when that thread was linked to the discord. We were told to all vote that she was a good character xD

Dutch was the one who said to make sure Colm got hanged, dumbass.

there's literally nothing wrong with cliches

It's a running gag among all rockstar protags going back to San Andreas

Suuuure buddy

Hosea specifically tells Arthur during a mission that it's time to stop the "I'm just a dumb cowpoke" routine and that he knows he's much smarter than he pretends.

Has anyone figured out the exact point Arthur will continuesly lose weight? I'm at Horseshoe Overlook, but Valentine is on lockdown. Don't want to rescue Micah if it triggers his diseases + the whole Gang except Micah is at the camp now

It's only until after Guarma that he gets skinny

Mary beth was not into him at all. No reaction to him dying. She was really into Kieran

Charles yes
Sadie absolutely no

Charles is so fucking useful throughout the entire experience and then goes onto helping you avenge Arthur that he's basically indispensable.

Charles does lecture you - start of chapter 3 when you want to just abandon those Germans

Charles also has flaws, he goes batshit and murders that poacher in cold blood over buffalo

>mad that people killed for sport
>tfw I killed to grind health

You don’t really get a reaction from the gang when he has TB

Really? huh, guess I was just bad at managing it beforehand. Thanks.

If I don't help Micah with his stagecoach memery after StrawBerry do I still get every camplad at my camp? it's comfy

Should've added benny's hill music at the end

No, she hid. She'd be dead like her husband if she was discovered.

>can take on 3 full grown men and now down towns worth of people.
>Guns don't work when women hold them everyone knows that!

Did you forget the part where she tried to save John's wife, but got caught like an idiot, and a fucking dying man had to save her?

He is right you know

>sean's quick death

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kek

>tfw I never hung out with him since I thought he was safe for a while after I saved him from the Bounty hunters

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Red Dead 3 should be a roguelike where you just have one life in their living breathing world.

More kino then any Nip writing and that's a fact.

Sadie is nip writing

No more Redemption title. It's time to close the book of Van Der Line's gang tale and open up a new Red Dead series with a new title. I want my peak Wild West in 1870s dammit.

Lenny was the superiour negro

Yeah he was real go getter that boy, too bad his only real flaws was being inexperienced but that's fine too I guess

>small man, huge shadow
What did Dutch mean by this? Or did Micah just made that up to get under Arthurs skin?

Next Red Dead is gonna be young Dutch before metting Hosea(and meeting him in the game)
change my mind

Mac as PC?

was he with Dutch before Hosea?
if not PC is Dutch

So why didnt Charles and Sadie die at the end? It sure felt like that was what should have come.

If you were in a room with Arthur he'd probably be as quiet as a mouse but with an undeniable presence.

Magical negro is always a good thing to have, Mary Sues are lame and should only be done in a sarcastic or ironic way.

But how will you die if you play as Dutch? You'll probably play as some guy we've never heard of that mentored Dutch when he was young.

you're not and you'll have an actual postgame unlike the bittersweet one at rdr2
also a california-type of region+new austin and new hannover+lemoyne in online

We'll prolly play as someone who dies on the Blackwater job and is retconned into being important to Arthur's life despite never being mentioned before. We'll prolly die saving him.
That is if Rockstar is fucking gay. If they're based then the next Red Dead title is some other shit. Revenge, Revolution, Retarded, whatever.

Desu as much as I'd prefer dropping Dutch's gang, I'd be willing to play a Redemption 3 only if it meant more time with Arthur.
I miss that nigga so much