Why is this character so broken?

Her frame data and lack of a major weakness is what makes her top tier. Almost every character has some kind of drawback, she doesn't. She can easily get you with her shield breaker and unlike other shield break moves she's from a safe distance while doing it, and endlag isn't so bad. She has a counter of course, and great aerials, you don't need much execution to win with her as well. No effort to play and no weakness either, gets constant results in tournaments. Just lazy and braindead compared to other technical characters.

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based warmed user

Based Lucichad.

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Based warmthposter

*AHEM*
FUCK SWORDIES
FUCK FE FAGS
FUCK MEXICANS

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>main Marth
>found out all fe sword fighters just need to be fair'd twice off stage and they die
Stop being a shitter. Im not even fucking good.

when is the next tourney

Ok then why dont you play her win a major if shes so damn easy?

Her playstyle is to flat, I get board watching her play, she lacks a skill curve.

I used to main Samus and kept getting my ass kicked and I switched to Lucina and holy shit it's like a whole different game. My moves are actually fast and I don't have endlag on everything. Lucina is pretty based.

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On one hand Lucina is incredibly solid on every front with no visuals weakness
On the other she doesnt have any noticeably potent OP characteristics or moves.

>Im not even fucking good.
Dont worry you made that abundantly clear. Fucking shitter.

March 3rd

OP said literally no weaknesses. It's still a weakness towards zoners.
Kind of funny how people are complaining about sword fighters these days when the meta's top picks has consisted of at least one sword the last three games.

Reminder if anyone has ever complained about a Marth they are a newfag to the series. They've always been good. Don't get why people are complaining now.

LMAO
she is so fucking FLAT

Try right now user. Go into training. Fair her twice off stage and she can't recover. If you can't do that then you're worse than I am.

Yeah, that'll give you the win against good players! Thanks user!

Her only true combos past like 10% are all started by late nair, which isn't safe if they shield. Her lack of confirms means it can be very hard to kill someone playing well.

what are lucina's safest moves? what's her gameplan? I legit cant understand how she plays but I WANT to get good with her.

in contrast, Im very comfortable playing Mac and Inkling

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Youre a garbage player if youre are getting hit by fairs offstage to begin with. Protip: you have a counter. Try using it. Fucking retard.

you're in every god damned thread. keep it up

I'm not saying she's the best though. In fact, I don't quite think Lucina is as good as everyone says. She's a bit too raw most of the time outside of Shield Break punishes: I think even characters that she wins neutral against, she can't contest as much because she still doesn't have something like a Short Hop Double Forward Air someone like Brawl Marth had, while these characters like the rats, Peach, or Wario, usually get rewarded more for winning neutral.
That & not everyone wants to play a FE character. It really takes a lot for a character to rise up & be used by everyone, like Smash 4 Cloud in Doubles being so above the rest of the characters through having basically everything you'd want a doubles character to have while being easy to play.

I never said I wasngetting fair'd off stage. I play a lot of dittos and the sword fighters just die once I fair them twice off stage. It's not that hard to beat her since she is gimped by a lot of moves. The only time she can make back fine is when she is directly below the ledge.

What's with her full body pajamas?

She’s stylish

t. Projectile spammer fag

Swords characters are the most honest characters in the game, they game no gimmicks or projectiles meaning that they are as good as the player's fundamentals, they will never give you a cheap free win unlike all the other characters, they are also really fun to play against because they never camp you. So kys OP.

>just counter
user you can't instantly act out of hit stun right? All Marth needs to do is hit you with a weak part of the blade and then follow up with a tipper. Lucina also can true combo double fair but only on lower percentages, maybe you would know if you played and stopped shit posting.

She is literally one of the hardest characters to play, she has no gimmicks or projectiles. You are probably a heavy main or projectile spammer faggot, kys.

No user, it's called zoning when I do it.

???

Counters are garbage moves that a good player can see coming form a mile a way. Theres a reason that theyre only used for mixups in tournaments. Theyre super punishable.

Jesus how are you are so bad at this game. Embarrassing.

Gimmicks take commitment to be learnt
Spacing doesn't. It's a defining aspect of the game everyone has to learn to play with in order to be good at the game. There is no further commitment or barrier to learning & mastering Lucina

CANONICAL
FLATNESS

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I want to rub her tiny tits and call her my lovely washboard!

Cringe and bluepilled.

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Nah this bitch is easy to take down with icies. Most fe characters are easy to beat desu

Chrom’s pectoral muscles are probably larger

Lucina will dash and short hop around you most of the time and grab occasionally. Nair, Fair, Uair and Bair are safe but she will Dair sometimes. Her best poke is down tilt and sometimes may up special when it gets hairy or go Neutral when there's space to work with.

You can't be serious, Lucina is braindead to play. All it takes is fundamentals, anyone that has those down can play Lucina.

>Protip: you have a counter.
Do you play against toddlers?

How do I into fundamentals? I'm garbage.

I hate how many liberties Sakurai takes with echo fighters.
Dr. Mario is Mario's Echo, Chrom and Ken are nobody's echo, and Lucina is Mr. Game and Watch's echo, how is this hard for the fucking creator of smash to follow?

Practice short jump combined with fair and nair if you play Lucina.
Rest of her usually comes naturally from there.

This.
People who think characters like this aren't busted have never known the feeling of being better with a character you just threw at quickplay for the challenge than your main for 10 years.

I sense online sarcasm here.

Your senses are flawed.
Give me ONE (1) reason why Doctor Mario shouldn't be an Echo, but Chrom should.

Do you mean Samus or ZSS? If you meant Samus, yeah. She's been the same since Smash 64 and have in general been one of the worse characters consistently. Mostly because of all the floaty movements but won't get the same height and mobility as Jigglypuff.

I meant this part
>Ken are nobody's echo, and Lucina is Mr. Game and Watch's echo
Or I'm missing some difference between Ryu or Ken. I didn't mean to bash you, I just thought the whole sentence sounded funny.

Ironically, play Lucina. She has no tricks or combos or projectiles for you to get distracted with. She's incredibly simple, which also makes her a great learning tool.

Thanks. I still need to buy a controller, playing with the joycons is painful.

I thought the joy cons were fine. Until the left one started to randomly disconnect and right one's stick tilts right sometimes without me even touching it.

Ryu and Ken are only echoes as an homage to Street Fighter.
They literally play nothing alike.

I don't really know what my issue with them is. I tried playing in portable mode first, and the balance of the console makes it really hard for me. I'm fine with other games, just not Smash.
When using them with the controller adapter they felt too brittle, felt like I was going to break them.

Ike or Pit are probably better characters for fundamentals, but they come with the added benfit of learning how to play at a disadvantage.
Ike is a little less honest now, his aerials are now cheesy, but he's still very, very honest.
Pit is also honest, even with the projectile, and if you intend to play a character with one, Pit is great for learning self control with your projectile. Spamming Pit's arrows will kill you, and not rack up significant damage, they are there to serve a purpose, not be spammed.

This will also teach you what NOT to do against other projectiles.

I've never touched them. I assumed they played somewhat the same since they had the same B-specials.

Even their B specials have pretty different properties, though, that is more in line with standard echoes.
Their A moves, they are no more alike than Mario and Captain falcon.
Yes, they both have a punch, and they do that kick there, but there's really nothing in common that characters with vaguely similar playstyles don't share anyways.

Dark Pit and Pit are very similar in most ways but Dark Out beats Pit with the side B being a much more effective kill move which Pit in general lacks

The speed differences, lack of red fireball and specific normal + special changes results in them needing to be played differently, despite a lot of their attacks being or looking functionally the same.

You can try to play Ken the same way you would be successful with Ryu and it wouldn't work out so well - and vice versa.

It's a bit impressive that they managed to differentiate them with a relatively small amount of effort.

Based Wario

Yes I was a Samus main because I love Metroid and mained her in Melee where she wasn't terrible. In Ultimate though, she's just way too floaty and slow so I get combo'd to hell and back. I switched to Lucina and although she's the polar opposite of what I'm used to (literally no projectiles), I'm having a lot of fun with her.

Well, you learn something new every day. Thank you Street Fighters. I need to get a new controller so I can get into ultimate again.

This guy gets it

Pit is great for fundamentals, but comes with the downside of being aggressively mediocre as a character. I'd say Ike is harder than Lucina because he has moves that are laggy and punishable, which isn't really as prevalent in Lucina.

But you're completely right, learning with Lucina is useful, but she can end up being a crutch character because of how simple she is (no real weaknesses).

>Gimmicks take commitment to be learnt
>Spacing doesn't.
LMAO

Still better then bayo shit

>Samus' jab STILL doesn't combo into itself
There's even a tip about this, Sakurai KNOWS this, and refuses to fix it, because Samus needs to be balanced around being terrible.

Learn ZSS.
Shes genuinely good

I'm convinced Sakurai hates Metroid. Ridley was my most wanted character and he's bad too. It's like the Metroid characters need to have a ton of end lag on every move. It's really unfortunate.

I think he's trying to say that character specific playstyles are something you have to commit to a character to learn, but spacing is something you learn in general on any character.

Weakness:
Mating Press

Not to mention Samus has very little resemblance to her movesets from actual Metroid games. In general, I feel like characters added later came with the benefit of having much more faithful movesets.

What about ZSS though? She's good.

Yes, but she's very flexible and play opens her up very deeply.

>Peach, Palutena, and Lucina are all top tiers
Why is Sakurai pandering so much to waifufags now?

I tried ZSS but I couldn't get used to her. She's like a weird mixture of a weapons character and one that you get up close and personal with but she doesn't go far enough in either direction and so she feels awkward. Blonde Lucina is the closest thing I have to a good metroid character lol.

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I could be wrong, but it feels like we're not talking about her fighting style.

They are cute and very tight.

Makes her more flexible.

Based Wario doesn't need projectiles or any kind of range.

I probably should have clarified, Ike and Pit are great characters for building fundamentals that you take to other characters. On their own, they probably won't take you very far; Pit has a bunch of problems, and Ike is just outclassed as a heavy and as a swordy, and even as a heavy swordy since Ganondorf stole Ike's smash attacks. But, the things that hold them back from being truly good are also what make them so good for building up skill. They are like, training vests for smash.
You are absolutely right, Dark Pit is 9/10 times better than Pit, but part of learning with Pit is learning how to handle having a hard time killing someone, whether because you just don't have good kill moves, or the ones that you have are worthless in this matchup. Pit teaches you how to be patient when it comes to a kill, the enemy being at 80% does NOT mean you start throwing out smash attacks.

Ike FORCES you to learn about real, prediction-based neutral, and not just throwing out your win neutral button until it sticks.

The two work well together because they have flaws where the other has strengths. Ike has no problem killing, Pit can afford to be a bit less "on" in terms of what the enemy is doing and how to win neutral. Together, you learn how to consciously win neutral, how to be patient, how to use the correct move for the situation rather than the old reliable, and how to read opponents. If you can get reasonably good with Ike and Pit, then you can pick up literally any non hard gimmick character in the game.

It's still early in Smash ultimate, but I'm starting to think Pokemon Trainer is another good pick for fundamentals. Pokemon Trainer forces YOU to be adaptive and on your toes, and how to hard-stop doing what you were doing to press some changing condition.

Flaw with Pokemon trainer in this medium, though, a lot of people over-use Ivysaur, and the temptation to spam Flare Blitz is always there.

>a lot of people over-use Ivysaur
Because Ivysaur is the most balanced mon.

Squirtle lacks range and can only be utilized when at low % or you risk early death from his super-low weight, and Zard just plays like a shittier Bowser outside of his Up-Smash.

Having no weaknesses and advantages over basically every character is being broken

>Have a mom with a banging fucking body (F!Robin)
>Literally grow to be flat as a board

Lucina must hold in a great amount of anger and envy.

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Characters Sakurai hates:
Samus: She still makes robot noises, has literally no gameplan, and actively has moves nerfed between games with no buff or rework to make up for it
Bowser: He still is just budget godzilla, with zero personality (This one *might* be coming around? At least Melee and Brawl's Hunchback of the Mushroom Kingdom is gone...)
Kirby: My son was OP once, never again
Jigglypuff: Fuck, this was supposed to be the joke character, not the best character in Melee
Ice Climbers "Every time someone gets wobbled, Sakurai sheds a single, crystal tear tear"
Little Mac: I spent like, thirty minutes researching boxing, now Little Mac is the only character bound by realistic fighting rules, fuck you, I will get a break now

Who did I forget?
Ganondorf and Zelda would have been here, but they got the works in Ultimate.

I like Smash Bowser because he's actually vicious and not a joke. Sakurai also hates Bayonetta, with good reason. He nerfed into the ground after realizing what a mistake he made making her so OP in smash 4.

A Lucina player did win the biggest Smash Ultimate major yet, so she's pretty damn good

>>a lot of people over-use Ivysaur
>Because Ivysaur is the most balanced mon.
Granted, Ivysaur *should* be used as the default, but I mean when faced with a situation where Ivysaur is clearly floundering, many players insist on using Ivysaur without even trying to mix things up.
Even if you think as Ivysaur as the default, the other characters serve as part of its kit too.

I clicked on this thread hoping you would post this.

I feel like he hates Cloud, now.
There were so many trace fuck you's to Square over the negotiations, I'd be surprised if Cloud doesn't get slowly nerfed to death, or just not buffed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next smash game was "Everyone but Cloud is here"

There’s a reason why she’s a Daddy’s girl

Ridley isn't bad

Shes weak to spear users for the nost part, but it doesnt really matter. Just use witches if you're seriously doing PvP. While she can be one, shes relatively low tier as one. This isn't rocket science, its a fucking triangle.

Wario won Frostbite, user. Not Lucina.

I don't know about hates, but Corrin.
Maybe it's not him, maybe it's the fanbase, but Corrin has the single strongest "meh" out of any character in the game, imo. Even the wtf-tier characters like Wii Fit get more care than Corrin now.

Doesn’t every character in Awakening basically have tits but her?

This.
Ridley is unintuitive.
Once you figure out what Ridley wants to be doing, he's fantastic.

Bigger than her, sure. A lot of them have modest sized boobs, but not huge.

Everybody is freaking out about which characters are OP but aren't looking ahead to a year from now when the DLC characters are all released and singlehandedly run the game like in 4.

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Lissa doesn't and Robin might not

Bump up his weight to the superheavy category (he's around Samus/ROB/Ike tier which makes no sense for a giant dragon that hasn't been in for most of Smash because of "too big") and make his recovery 8 directions. He'd be so much better.

Severa and Cordelia are both small as well.

>never touch icies in my life
>pick them up yesterday
>figure out how to desync less than a minute in
>have the most fun ive had in smash for years

what the fuck is this feeling

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I think Sakurai is just being very passive aggressive against them because he had to shamelessly promote Corrin on the same stage as returning fan favorites and hype DLC picks like Ryu or Cloud.
Some people speculate they only made Corrin a dragon to make them stand out more because its fucking not important to the story at all bar DLC. And that’s not Revelations Either

HEY LUCINA MAINS
I'VE GOT A SURPRISE FOR YOU

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Ridley is only good against quickplay scrubs who don't know what they're doing against a character they're not use to playing. Bring him to a tournament and you'll lose against people who have mastered their fundamentals.

>t. elite Ridley player

Their dad is literally a dragon, what DLC makes it a bigger deal than Revelations does?

They actually explain what the fuck Anakos was trying to do in Fates the entire time in the Hidden Truth DLC

I think PT is far past what someone who is asking about fundamentals can handle. He kind of has a bunch of archetypes in one so you can get exposure to them all, but each Pokemon has it's own gameplan, kill confirms, combos and useful moves that it's way too overwhelming for someone just trying to get a grasp of the basics. Their recoveries are also pretty terrible for a new player.

Plus, like you said, new players like to spam Flare Blitz.

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Robin is stacked user

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>fire emblem
Every FE character but Marth and Roy should be dropped. Literally who tier and a series no one outside of Japan cares

He's talking about the petite sprite you can choose for her. But yeah the default one has big tits.

Cloud 100% isn't getting buffed since he's the most used character online. It's a shame since he's a few buffs away from being tournament viable again.

>liking Roy

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Outside having a (mediocre) projectile, Cloud feels in every way inferior to FE swordies, especially Ike and Roy. Limit Cross Slash feels weaker than Roy's side B.

Holy fuck imagine being this literally gay

It's not gay if you say No homo afterwards

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A character doesnt have to have weaknesses to be considered balanced.

Not everyone has to have something to exploit, Lucina is so basic that you can't say you died to bullshit, you died because a player outplayed you.

What is this 'bullshit' you're referring to? If you think that other characters win via 'bullshit' then I would argue that Lucina having a bunch of fast, safe, strong, disjointed hitboxes is bullshit.

Wrong pic

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Gimmicks, you know the type.
Random shit like a G&W 9 is Bullshit, even if it has a low chance to come out, it required no skill.

Lucina has no such gimmicks, she doesnt even really have Tech like Marth does (see youtu.be/21GvoT36UtE)
She has the tools needed to succeed, but they all require players to know how to use them optimally.

The correct answer

There's no way they've learned, probably still going by "but if they're not busted OP then people won't buy them" mentality

>zones you
>parries you
>does literally anything than walk up and get hit by a nair

samus is fucking great in ultimate you mong only people that bitch are people who dont main her

Lucy!

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Let me lay it out for you, shitter-kun.
Lucina is a very solid, well rounded character and no doubt a top tier, this is because, as you said, she has very little to no significant weakness.
The reason she isn't broken is because she also has no vastly overpowering tools.
She doesn't kill super early or easily like Ike, she doesn't have the insane combos of someone like Peach or Pichu, her recovery isn't completely busted like Inkling's and so on.

Just look at Joker. We already know he's going to be fast plus he has a sword. He's going to be top tier based on those two things alone.

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Does Leo using Lucina for various matchups and Wario winning over him mean people will slow down on complaining about Ike?
I know it's just shitters complaining about him but he seems to have stuck around while all the other characters were flavor of the month complaints that people moved away from.

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Yeah that same burrito got 3-0d by a wario, git gud

Me at the bottom

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Which sword fighter has the best range?

Technically Corrin but theyre also the least powerful
Cloud is a close second

>playing a round of quickplay against Young Link, Simon or Richter, any FE character or Cloud
>first thing afterwards is to block the player
Anyone else does this?

I want to be Inigo and tickle torture Lucina to make her squeal!

There's about 3 Million people playing the game online, cant block them all

>Awakening characters
>Literally who when Roy’s in the game

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