Can we get a classic smash rage thread cause i wanna rage a bit
Can we get a classic smash rage thread cause i wanna rage a bit
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Just lower it to 1.5
>Ganon is the easiest character to get into Elite
>I still can't get him in there after weeks and lots of practice
Fuck Pichu, seriously, he's pretty much just a superior Pikachu now, the self-damage aspect is pretty much negligible because it only does like 0.3% each attack.
So now he's pretty much a super-fast, super-tiny character with attacks that kill at 90%.
Good game balance.
>presses sideB
>takes one of your stocks unless you destroy your controller to mash out in time
ahem
FUCK FIRE EMBLEM
PRECIOUS BOOTY
>They tried to nerf the roller
>Not her fucking ink bombs
>Not her up-b
>The roller which you can just shield and easily punish
Blame shitters
They never even nerfed Inkling. The roller was buffed making it harder to escape at high percents. Which are the percents it kills at and when good players use it anyway. Sakurai/whoever does the balancing needs to be publically executed.
roller wasn't even nerfed technically
it buries longer if you're above 110% and 90-110% range it's only a few frames less of bury
*fucks over your timing*
What are you all going to do about it?
>Ganon is the easiest character to get into Elite
nah, that would be ridley
I have like 7 characters in Elite Smash and I tanked my Ganon, he's sitting at like 300k right now.
>fight a wolf
>has a fucking second of input delay
>spams blaster the whole fucking match
jesus christ i wanted to fucking punch someone
What pisses me off most is losing on my secondaries to players I know I could beat on my main.
These are the characters I enjoy fighting
What characters does Yea Forums enjoy fighting?
Imagine being a bottom feeder playing Stinkling.
I don't have anyone in Elite Smash and playing this game online made me realize I fucking suck at it.
I hate it. I'd rather play my friends.
Sakurai can't balance for shit. Literally no point in playing a character that isn't high tier or higher.
My Mii Brawler is 87,000 because I literally lost every game.
Every Wolf and Zelda plays the same except Wolf is a better character
>Sit on edge of stage spamming projectile until you approach
Depending on your set of custom moves, you could go from playing a contender for the worst character in the game to a somewhat decent one
What the fuck were they thinking with characters like Lucina, Roy, and Palutena? Why the fuck do you have fast characters who do insane damage, that have moves that combo into each other, have amazing range, and great kill power. These people realize you need to add weakness to characters right? Same but to a lesser extent with characters like Yoshi.
Fuck losing 800,000+ GSP every match. What the fuck, who thought that was a good idea. You can easily go from 3.5 mil GSP to 500,000 in three losses, fuck that shit hard.
And then you have to fight some Ike spamming nair and side B that teabags whenever he gets a stock. Fuck this game sometimes.
>kill at 90%
I mean lots of stuff kills at 90%
>Yoshi can just haha you to death on and off stage
>Lmao 40% cause you cant escape
>tiny size and high speed, so you can't hit it
>was originally designed to suck, but was buffed for some godawful reason
>the fact it's known as a joke character attracts shitters and teabaggers like flies
Please for the love of god buff me
>tiny
His hurt box is bigger than Pikachu's dumb cunt. Anyone who says this for Pichu but not Pikachu is a shitter who just can't fight him.
It's like that for every online fighting game though. Getting to the highest rank is always a pain the dick because they expect you to have a better win ratio to move on. It would be even worse if you get to Elite only to lose it after one mistake.
I'd love to see these insane Yoshi combos you're all talking about.
>fighting ike
>50 nair in 30 seconds
What's wrong with Ike player? Are they mental?
I lost to an ike and only did nair and side B and dont know why he can get away with it
If it's working, you can't blame the players for using it repeatedly. Ike is a very basic fundies-based character, no gimmicks, just proper spacing with his hitbox.
>People who actually use Shiek, Greninja, Ryu, Dr.Mario or Wii Fit Trainer online
Finally some people with honor
Just bait and punish literally almost every problem will be solved by that. When I played online last month that's all I did. they are literal brainlets and always fall for it ALWAYS.
>For Glory
>Keep rematching players to learn the matchups
>Quickplay
>Don't want to rematch in fear of losing hard-earned points
Battle arenas don't really work as an alternative because waiting in line sucks, there's no GSP to show how good a player is so you waste your time just finding someone on your level.
It's a honor to kill people at 60% with Tornado, but thanks bro, i'm trying my best.
Roller is frame 16 and has 42 frames of endlag, you guys are complaining about getting hit by a Smash attack which makes you shitters.
Meleefags should be lynched.
What about Kenbro?
Why is the matchmaking so god awful? I'm constantly facing players way way above my skill level. Actually fucking went up against a 3.5M as a 500K
Yeah and Ganon's uptilt is frame 60 and you fags complain that about all the time. Inkling's roller still steals stocks even in tournaments and let me guess now everyone in this thread is better than those pro players. So predictable.
I wish I can find people that retarded online to style on with Doc. I hate actually going against competent people.
Except if you're pic related.
If you get hit by Roller at all there's a 99% chance you got played into it, Cosmos crafts his playstyle around making people whiff a move so he can punish with Roller and even then he only lands it maybe 2 times in an entire set. If you get hit by Roller a ton of times, or Ganon's utilt, you're just bad.
Removing For Glory has killed any momentum i had with the game after beating world of light
Not being able to rematch with your counterpick on the same stage layout sucks
Fuck everyone who plays 2 stock on FD
What a dumb fucking ruleset
>get grabbed once
>combos ad infinitum
>KO's you with ridiculously fast f-tilt
EVERY FUCKING TIME
WHY IS THIS FUCKING ALLOWED IN MY FUCKING BABY SMASH BROS GAME FUCK
>Love 2v2
>Quickplay starts each new game with a randomly chosen player's rule set so I end up in FFAs more often than I'd like
Should've just carried over the system from the previous game, it would've made things so much better.
Dude he's not that bad. Just needs more airspeed
How do I get good at fast lightweight and very offensive character?
I'm more or less new at smash (played all of them but I'm trying to play this one seriously for the first time)
Right now I'm sitting at 3.7M GSP with DK, but any time I try to pick someone else I get destroyed (I'm fine with swordies too I guess the range help?)
I feel like I'm doing fine with him mainly because DK is not mechanically hard to play (or that's how I feel about him?).
Like everything feel very basic,every hit hit hard, I'm hard to kill and most of my fights in the end comes down to predicting or baiting stuff and punishing it behind with one button.
>Pac-Man
>Megaman
>Ridley
>K. Rool
>DK
>Ice Climbers
>Inkling
>G&W and Pac-Man are still total shit just like in smash 4
>Meanwhile Palutena becomes amazing
We are going to get our turn one day.
t.Zelda main
Do the fruit fire hydrants tech
You cant do fun stuff like z-drop galaxian over and over anymore in ultimate
Roy is fine, in my opinion.
Why the FUCK can't this character recover? Who's the genius who look at his kit and said "yep, we need to make sure this character dies whenever you sneeze on him when he's offstage otherwise he'll be broken"?
Yoshi can't do that though
No throw fruit ah the hydrant for the bounce back
G&W has
>Worse grab combos
>Worse UpTilt
>Worse DownTilt
>Worse UpSmash
>Worse ForwardSmash
>Less damage on Neutral Air
>Worse UpAir overall ( It was good for Game&Watch to have an aerial that kills, and a kill confirm from his grab )
>Worse ForwardAir overall ( Old ForwardAir was a good poke and at least an option in certain disadvantageous or advantageous states to apply pressure: The way Forward Air works inherently limits Game&Watch in many ways & renders areas where the opponent can escape completely safe )
What were they thinking
>people get hit by Ganon's uptilt
This doesn't actually happen unless you're shit.
How the hell is Ridley easy to get into Elite? I always see people getting demolished by him.
Start an Arena for Glorious Smashers.
Demolishing him*
Seriously, his recovery is now actually worse than fucking Little Mac's, after his buffs to his side B.
Fireballs scare the living hell out of most mediocre players and make them overcommit just to approach you: It's particularly easy to initiate juggles or punish their hasty aerial with a Nair Out of Shield once they poorly try to approach you.
You're gonna have to get used to doing more inputs with faster guys.
Is there a worse feeling than seeing the game pair you up with someone with BR in their name, and instantly knowing it's going to be a ridiculpusly laggy match before the game even starts?
Then the match actually starts and it's even worse than you imagined.
>Kirbys who spend the entire match pressing Up+B
>Kirbys who spend the entire match floating up high and pressing Down+B
I don't lose to these, but I just want to strangle the fucks who have done this every Smash since N64
>Guy with mario avatar who plays default color mario
>Bing bing wahoos you and you cant do shit
>fight laggy piece of shit
>fall to your death because of the lag
>teabags
BRING BACK TAUNTS, PLEASE
This
I want to switch to my main and body a shitter if my secondary gets molly whopped
>ITT Nintendies seethe over a children's party game
>TFW I use Inkling and want to main them
>I don't use the Roller because I just don't like it; can't find good opportunities to whip it out
>I fight Inkling mains that beat me because they keep spamming the Roller every few seconds
I cry everytiem
Use it to punish rolling retards or incredibly unsafe moves. Roller is basically good for reads.
the up b doing landing damage makes me rage. In splatoon super jumping leaves you more open than my fridge when my cousin is at the house
Its just so frustrating to punish and doesnt look like it should do damage unlike dedede
I hate Palutena
a good palutena is scary but any palutena is annoying. Her "you shall be purified taunt" makes me want to claw my ears out and she is painful to fight at any level.
Kirby needs to be buffed to Smash 64 levels, even though he'll still only be C tier at best.
Who /wuhuisland/ here? Almost 5 years of offline and friend room practice feels like it finally paid off.
hell yeah, now I can self-insert as a viable character
(alternatively just play as Matt, which is what I do online when I'm doing pic related)
Fucking thank you. No one has been talking about this. Not only is Doc slow and can’t recover, but he’s not even fucking heavy enough to compensate. How are you going to make a slower Mario not heavier than regular Mario? If he straight up became a heavy weight (a value of atleast 105 would be nice) and his up b is buffed in a way where it doesn’t send me only 2 cm I will die a happy man and ask nothing more from this character, even if he’s still low tier. Fuck me
Why the fuck do people act like it's just super punishable, do you only play against retarded inklings that don't know how to jump cancel it?
Give me back my Down B
I hate Inkling's stupid speed and constant ability to fuck with me no matter what I do. I don't really mind Pichu despite having similar properties, but something about Inkling really grinds my gears.
I love how you think every Inkling player knows how to jump cancel.
no fuck u
No shit they don't know, 90% of Inkling players are retarded and still do decently in Elite. Roller is a very oppressive tool people acting like "hurr just shield" are retarded.
Honestly, I was happy when we finally got a step up from you fuckers, but now I’m realizing Luigi should get his back. What was the reason? Its like they planned to give him a tether to replace down b as a recovery option but just forgot about it completely. Atleast Docs has a purpose.
If you play a projectile character with a tether grab ex: Ivysaur, Samus, Ylink, Lucas and just spam projectiles on the edge and shield grab if enemy is close fuck you, that shit is so obnoxious to deal with online because the lag makes it harder to weave around projectiles.
Do I count?
Honestly man, I play Inkling every now and then but I stopped using the roller since it's so predictable (at least with my friends). I abuse aerials though, shit is fucking wild.
Should I just spend $60 on a Pro Controller?
I don't know but now he's super gimpable since I have to charge missile and get intercepted.
>be yoshi
>mfw any character with projectiles
>especially the fucking links
Gimpablefags stick together brother.
>if you play characters that I can't beat then fuck you
You realize you have one of the most obnoxious projectiles in the game right? Use it to poke at them when they use theirs.
Pac man is faggy but nobody plays him so whatever.
Considering ive seen Pac like once and hes still awful like the previous game i think we can let it slide
A projectile that has a fair amount of startup and is mid-range at most against a fuckbarrage of arrows, boomerangs and bombs doesn't really work too well.
Not at all, lol. People have just started to learn how to play.
>join game
>Luis
>Carlos
>Andres
>Juan
>Josue
>Pablo
>Ricardo
>Jose
>Pedro
>Antonio
>Jesus
>Felipe
>Sergio
>Manuel
Do only mexicans play this shit online?
I guess so
He's the Akuma of this game, incredibly low survivability but absolutely fucking scary once you learn his shit
This is why I like making my username shit like josefernando2008
Still not ever going to be pissed that they nerfed duck hunt... he finally had something going for him and then they take it away while the other characters, with much better items and spacing can go about their day.
so infuriating.
Nobody thinks Pichu is a joke character anymore. Anyone who still thinks that is a fucking retard/kid
>nearing 500 hours of play time
>still not in elite
I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong at this point. I know how to tech, I know how to DI, I know about spacing and combos and I watch professional tournaments but sometimes I still end up getting 0-death'd by people who know every single move I'm going to make and exactly where I'm going to move in the air and do all their combos and shit perfectly. It's really frustrating.
That's what I'm about to do because the joycons are fucking shit. I just got a smash machine weeks ago I can tell I'm gonna need a real controller. How do people play with these things?
Not only that, but the r trigger isn't functioning correctly. What the fuck.
Its your shit mentality, just take a break from the game. Elite isn't even a big deal anyways, it fucking sucks and it's easy to cheese your way in there via a multitude of methods
How can we buff him guys ?
It's one of the best moves in the game and combos into everything. What the fuck do you expect?
more and more top players are admitting that Ultimate is a bad game, at least as bad as Smash 4.
Tamim, dyr, Dark Wizzy, SDX, Sonix, ZeRo etc.
feels bad man.
He already got buffed.
You remind me of a friend who spends so much time learning the fundamentals that he worries about it too much when he’s actually in the match. This is a shit mentality to have. It’s not always about how much practice you’ve put in, it’s understanding your opponent and how you’re being punished.
>Literally who’s and ZeRo who never out right said Ultimate is as bad as Smash 4
I think Ultimate has some fundamental flaws like the aerial game being way too important but these players are just butthurt they aren't as good at it as they are the previous games.
If wario players are causing trouble in ultimate then i think we have an issue already
Wario is not the god character people think he is
That's hard to do online since you fight a different person every time. I don't have any real life friends to play with though.
>play Wii Fit Trainer
>spam projectiles like a mother fucker
>deep breath and sprint around like fucking fox all day
I have no honor
No, fuck that. A lot of the people that are angry at the game are feeling that way because they can't cheese like you could in Smash 4, and because now you need to practice your execution a bit more and work harder regardless of what character you play, they hate it. Lazy. They're lazy fucking players and people, especially that fat faggot Zer0 who is currently trying to be a generic streamer and hates Ultimate because he can't be a lame faggot that only back airs, shields and throws shit with a monkey.
'top players" my ass. Top players shut the fuck up and they either play or don't play the game, nothing in-between.
More honorable than fucking wolf or young link
Pro Controller is fucking garbage for Smash also
There's a huge difference between good Wolf players and the ones that just pick him up because it's the cool thing to do right now
FUCK FINAL DESTINATION
Never heard of the others, but ZeRO clearly is just mad because because he's nowhere near as good as he was in 4 now that fixed the speed of the game.
>love Richter
>know that his main thing is item wall
>still learning his bnbs
Any tips? Someone at a local said down throw into fair is good. Anything else?
it's going to be so nice once they nerf the belmonts in the new patch.
Good, play the way you want to don't let these faggots tell you how to play.
What of the wireless gamecube controller?
>implying they will
Fucking git gud, faggot
You'll be better at the game if you just turn your brain off and let jesus take the wheel lmao
Totally agree, though it's also dumb how neutral is more and more becoming "do fading thing and buffer dodge/roll" which I blame Smash 4 players for anyways because it's a remnant of that shitty game. You can beat this type of play but depending on MU it becomes much, MUCH more tedious.
I notice none of these players have any ultimate tourney wins, or even any decent placements. What a curious coincidence. Meanwhile, a ton of players from smash 4 and other games made the move successfully and seem to be enjoying it: Tweek, mkleo, dabuzz, nairo, void, armada, I even saw mango practicing wario against void today on stream, and hbox was commentating at frostbite and said he'd be showing up in tourneys soon.
nothing to get 'git gud' about. the item spamming is insane. he should have a heart limit for each stock like his games dictate.
I'm gonna quit this game. I don't know why but online pisses me off so much, no other game does this to me. Fucking sick of facing the same characters with the same exact strategies every single time. Win or lose it's boring and frustrating to play against.
>the item spamming is insane.
It's incredibly easy to get past the item wall if you know what to do and are a good player. you are clearly not.
I play excellently against people in locals
I play excellently against people in Elite who obviously have refined their character
I know what the fuck I'm doing
but
Everytime it's some teabagging scrub faggot who spam shit to actively be disrespectful and obnoxious online, I lose my shit. This shit happens in tourneys and I never lose my cool because it's an obvious mindgame, but when it's online I fucking choke. I lost to a Ridley who did nothing but roll back and forth, dash attack and fireball/trying yo fireball gimp. It was lazy, it was obnoxious and I fucking hated it.
first set catch me off guard and I lose.
second set I fucking stomp him
Third set he starts teabagging and I was really close at getting him, but he fucking won.
I was shaking after that and he didn't take the rematch. I can't describe the level of mad this kind of shit gets me. I feel insulted, dissapointed in myself, humiliated and my spirit is broken for the rest of the day. I know its just videogames, but when I want to git gud at something, I don't tolerate not being taken seriously. I guess I'm just venting because I still got lots to learn and absolute faggots can still beat me.
I bet if ZeRo was actually placing high in tournaments he wouldn't be saying that shit. Dude tries so hard to come off as a melee fag but doesn't even touch the game.
certain characters maybe, even still, it's literally impossible as duck hunt.
Duck Hunt is also an item wall character. You can easily negate the Belmont's items with Duck Hunt. Literally git gud.
you know absolutely nothing. please stop.
based honorableanon.
I know more than you, dumbass. I literally fought a Duck Hunt last night and his side b cancelled out Richter's side b.
Robin feels so bad in Ultimate.
>Lost a lot of throw combos
>Arcfire loses to hitboxes and is smaller
>Arcthunder doesn't lead to much anymore.
>2nd slowest run speed in the game.
It surprises me that Robin just seems so bad as a projectile character and yet characters like Snake, Link, and Samus exist and do decent in their current state.
First of all, grow up dude. It's 100% cancer online, but there's no point in getting legit mad at it. Just don't rematch if they are playing like that, or if they do, know you ACCEPTED playing against someone who is relying 100% on input delay to get away with obvious as fuck rolling around. In Smash 4 (and to an extent this game, though WAY less so) Samus doing this shit with a bad connection was the pinnacle of this. It is certainly frustrating to lose to something you can accurately predict, but you accepted the risk when you decided to go online.
It will never knock you out of bracket. Move on. Let them wallow in their filth.
nigga, just knock him off the stage
>Tamim
Bayo player that is angry his absolutley bullshit character got nerfed to hell
>Dyr
Literally who diddy player that is probably mad cause diddy also got nerfed to shit
>Dark wizzy
Is still not that good and thinks just cause he teams with Salem and wins that he should be a top level player (also waifufags Mario for some godawful reason)
>Sdx
Mewtwo got nerfed to hell and hes mad that he cant cheese anymore, mewtwo was borderline broken
>Sonix
Sonic player who is also upset that sonic isnt cancer anymore
>Zero
He sucks at this game and doesnt want to admit it, I guarantee if this game was similar to smash 4 hed be going to tournaments and winning
that is a load of bull shit. the pigeon always breaks, and now that duck hunt has even MORE end lag on that move, belmont can do whatever he pleases with extensive length from his weapon.
and then what? he does his 100 foot chain grab? wow, incredible.
fuck all the sword characters
Belmont has like no moves to challenge you if you try to gimp him off stage and you can jump in front of their tether recovery to take the hit but fuck over their recovery. it can't both hit you and grab the ledge
Belmonts are pretty gimpable.
Smash 4 Mewtwo wasn't broken, he was hands down the most balanced high/top tier character. He unfortunately got gutted pretty bad in Ult
I really want to see all you playing a good belmont and upload the video. it would be good for a laugh or two.
How bad are you guys that you give a shit about tiers online? Tiers only matter in tournaments. Not when youre fighting against random shitters.
Christ.
Imagine denying facts this hard because you're bad at the game.
WHY IS HE GARBAGE NOW
THIS ISNT FUCKING FAIR
how am I bad? I probably have a higher gsp than you and barely lose. belmonts are just fags no matter how you spin it.
>He thinks GSP is relevant
would you like to go a round right now?
I picked him up one day just for the hell of it and got to elite smash in a couple of hours. I can't do this with my mains yet somehow I got this little bastard in. He's fun to play and getting clutch 9's is the funniest shit ever. I killed a t-bagging Daisy player on his second stock as his spawn i-frames ran out with a 9 and he just SD'd on his last stock.
I will admit though that forward air is pretty trash. It's great when you actually get it to work but it's inconsistent as fuck.
how did you guys feel about this set?
youtube.com
how do i play yoshi
his haha move seems to do nothing they just wiggle out
Shuton wouldve won if he didnt choke at the end.
And he kept SDing. So Myren desrved the win despite the hype plays by Shuton.
Exciting to watch but I wish Shuton won. Had no opinion of Myren until he started talking trash on twitter. Hope he loses the rest of his hair now.
I miss Smash 4 Gunner
underrated post
Not something to rage about but now that I play as Peach, people expect me to play as well as tops like Samsora when she really is hard to use
what character can I play to make range-spam fags rage? I'm talking castlevania chars, megaman, mother, those sorts of faggots
I don't feel like fox is the answer, reflect isn't worth the shit melee range
I tried getting a feel for Gunner in Ultimate using the one from World of Light, but couldn't seem to do well with her at all. Switching back to Smash 4's with the SSB T-Shirt worked wonders for me though, like something finally clicked.
Guess I finally know how it feels when people do better with certain alts.
i dont get it
>more and more top players
None of them are even top ten players. People like Void and Leo who actually deliver are enjoying the game.
>Dude tries so hard to come off as a melee fag but doesn't even touch the gam
That's the most annoying thing. Zero is a fake bitch.
Fuck sword characters, fuck projectile shitters.
I'm really tired of these fucking fast characters with huge disjointed hitboxes.
Also fuck Ness
Down B
>those desperate "_____ IS HIGH TIER IN ULTIMATE" or "_____ IS BROKEN ONLINE" videos on his youtbue channel as desperate attempts to stay relevant.
I FUCKING HATE GANONDORF FUCK
Why?
Also his cringe milquetoast fake positivity Twitter posts, he's just a soulless eceleb now
Zero doesn't want to go to tournaments; he'd rather sit on his ass and become a variety streamer than risk taking losses.
The complete opposite of rage, but:
>guy teabags me when i lose my second stock and he still has three
>manage the comeback and win
>mfw
>decide to fuck around and pick Roy
>get him into elite in like 5 matches because people are that shit
>pick up Shulk
>losing streak
Up throw up air is a legit kill combo at percents nearing 100%.
>Zero is engaged to an attractive woman
Literally fucking how?
Money
>opponent can deny you of any horizontal recovery by literally just body-blocking Green Missile
i tried playing some luigi earlier, jesus christ his recovery is terrible, why the fuck did they have to gut the cyclone's recovery potential
Pikachu still has better range and survivability
I don't fucking know. I play him way less now. I should suck it up though.
Am i the only one thinking Incineroar side b sucks ass ? i know it stomp noobs be i find myself almost only using it to recover at highter level.
It's so fucking slow, have barely any range and it's so easy to punish. What am i doing wrong here ?
>been trying to get 4 mil gsp for hours for the past 2 days
>keep getting losing streaks but win once or twice in while
>gsp has been staying on 3.8 mil
fucking kill me
Do you edgeguard with your character? Sorry for the old webm
Use it for reads
I used it for hard reads. Works pretty well. It's not a move you're supposed to spam.
>that slow launch speed
every goddamn time
Depends on who I'm using or fighting.
the fuck is this knock back?
If by edgeguard you mean miss every spike and fair, yes
It's fun as shit to edgeguard with Villager.
It feels weird seeing Smash 4 footage and the slow launch speed after playing Ultimate so much, I know.
Fantastic list, user. Those, barring maybe Wii Fit, always signal a good match. I gotta thatnk Plup and Lea because i'm seeing way more Greninjas online and most of them are pretty good. Considering picking up the character myself. I wish more people played Ryu, but i guess he got neutered a bit too hard.
Fuck you nintentards. Crafters rise up
>All those shitters defending Trash 4 against Meleefags
>Ultimate comes out
>Everyone is now realising how bad it really was
>Only former Trash 4 top player are still defending the game now
Meleefags were right.
Game was pretty slow, yeah. But I had my fair share of fun with it regardless. I'm not one to engage in Smash wars anyways, I've been playing all the games for a while to a semi competitive level, and I've learned to enjoy all of what they have to offer. Down the line though, I'd say I would want to come back to 4 the least: There's just not much the game has at all over Ultimate: Some custom moves are fun. A Friend & I used to play Random Custom + Equipment set matches, it made for some great casual matches.
I think the best buff he could get is to be removed from the game entirely. That way he can at least be relevant in his shitty game meta instead of being an ugly-ass dead weight in Smash
this happens to me with Kirby way too much
like yesterday i ran into one of those Clouds that do nothing but neutral-b, up-b when you approach by air, and fsmash when you approach normally, and i literally could not fucking touch him at all
The only thing wrong about Smash 4 is that Ultimate is a straight upgrade to it in every way.
PK Fire spamming Ness players are subhuman. I'm not having fun, I can't imagine they're having fun, and the matches take for fucking ever. What's their end game?
UpAir hitbox extended is what I would do.
It's a pretty good aerial but its hitbox being better could take it to one of the best of its kind. If he could more conveniently use landing UpAirs, it would greatly expand his options, since that's a combo starter from low to mid%
autism
>Ken
After the addition of two-button shorthops, I'm actually liking it more than the gamecube controller since the triggers feel more like buttons and you've got an extra shoulder button to use for C-stick macro specials. I found it completely unusable before that patch, but Y + RT is a bit easier to shorthop with on pro than on gamecube in my opinion. The input lag is slightly worse and you lose the octagonal gates though, so they both have their advantages.
As a Wii Fit main, having me and my opponent being off the ledge is my most comfortable position for me
>Every lucas tries to fish so hard for that PK Freeze kill cause they cant spam PK Fire
funny how people were constantly complaining about ultimate's knockback before release
>Corrin
I throw out a pin every now and then, but most of his aerials send upward and bair feels too risky when his recovery is so bad. Ledgetrapping usually works out better.
>Megaman
Always, spiking with Hard Knuckle never gets old and if that fails you can always fair or bair instead.
We're here to stay mate, but if we're top tier at least you'll have a good reason to complain, so help us to make baracat viable.
I saw more posts about the abundance of smoke
To be completely fair, as someone who played the e3 demo multiple times, it was fucking shit at first. nearly every hit no matter how small sent the opponent flying and they suffered next to no hitstun, it felt like a slightly faster Brawl. They obviously fixed this in the full roster version which now ironically has characters stay in hitstun longer than in 4 due to hitstun cancelling being removed, but I was REALLY worried for a while.
if you need pre patch Bayo to win you're a literal shit.
he's just saying bayo doesn't kill early, which is true.
>tfw everyone forgets about him
Fucker is pretty annoying too
Unlike the other 2 Links, his aerials are really meh. The only way to play a good Toon Link is to zone & use UpTilt combos. Really not thrilling at all.
All 3 Links are a pain in the ass but he's the least offensive of the 3
If he had a normal dair I would play him in a heart beat. I've always rather his swings of the sword compared to adult Link's.