Why do people say that relevancy matters in Smash when we got Dark Samus and K.Rool...

Why do people say that relevancy matters in Smash when we got Dark Samus and K.Rool, characters who hasn't been in a game for decades?

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Relevancy doesn't matter, Sakurai chooses whoever he wants

Everybody makes there own rules for what make a character qualify or not.

Remember, there are characters like Piranha Plant and Incineroar in this game.... to clarify, neither deserve a place.
But that's sakurai bias.

>bias
Not even. He's gonna pick a character if he thinks they can have a fun moveset, which I think both kind of do.

To be fair, Dark Samus is only in because she's able to work as a quick echo fighter of Samus. She would of never been in otherwise.

So that leaves K. Rool, but he's able to squeese on by unlike other 'irrelevent' characters like Geno, Krystal, Isaac, etc because his legacy is far greater than those characters, being the most reoccuring bad guy in one of Nintendo's bigger franchises

People will say the ballot, but honestly I find it really hard to believe that Dark Samus placed very highly on it. Even among Metroidfags she didn't really come up in Smash discussion much.

This, she was an AT in Smash 4, so I doubt any of those got many votes since the majority thought it was for Smash 4 DLC.

Ridley was a stage hazard in Smash 4, and yet in Ultimate he was one of the picks from the ballot according to Sakurai.

K.Rool was the ballot character if anything. Nips don't give a single fuck about DS and the west wanted mostly Ridley.

>Sakurai bias
>Starter Pokemon and most common Mario's ennemy not deserving to be in
Actual retard.
Sakurai Literally added characters in Ultimate that he didn't wanted in Smash to begin with like Ridley. The guy pretty fucking based.

Ridleyfags were notorious for being delusional, it's not a surprise they voted for him no matter what. At least it payed back at the end.

he must think marth has a really fun moveset.

>to clarify, neither deserve a place
why's that?

smash is half shilling for new shit and half graveyard for dead franchises so we get both.

If relevancy mattered Kid Icarus wouldn't be in it.

To try to make sense of whoever could possibly get in and who couldn't when every single argument falls a part once Sakurai stops caring about the rules he set up for the previous games

Retro rep and was highly requested

ign.com/articles/2006/05/31/sakurais-smash-bros-update

>I was well aware that Pit was a popular character in both America and Japan.

Incineroar is a nuanced character, I hadn't even heard of him before this game, I assume similar stories for others. We could have had a DIFFERENT pokemon rep (shaymin, for example). His moveset is generally annoying, side B is spammy and kills early, a counter gives WAY too much damage if you get hit again, but I'm not saying he's OP, just very irritaing to play.

Piranha plant could have been literally anyone. Anyone. Preferably, waluigi or even fucking geno. It was extremely unexpected and honestly confusing to hear him get announced, when waluigi is still an assist trophy.

Not really a fan of these two characters, but they're in, and nothing I can do about it.

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW 2BIGOTS?

Are you really attempting to rationalize Piranha Plant as a deserving character? It's just a surprise joke they felt comfortable making free DLC, just enough to encourage some to buy early but not enough for a lot of people to get hyped to pay separately for.
>Sakurai discussed the move set and variety of characters to select in an interview
The irony of unique move sets is that any character could have one with enough thought. Do you really think they thought Piranha Plant was """deserving""" of its spot? Do you think they didn't say something akin to, "Holy shit that's fucking funny, and since the character is recognizable, most players will get the joke" when the idea was brought up? It is a JOKE, it's okay to laugh.

Because metroid and donkey kong still are you retard

Because Isaac didn't make it. We never got a newcomer from a dead first party franchise that wasn't on the NES.

That's a good thing, we don't need more literal who characters, only relevant allstars are allowed in Smash.

I’m pretty sure neither of them would’ve been added if it wasn’t for the ballot literally telling Sakurai who people wanted.

I doubt Sakurai gets much choice when it comes to the Pokémon reps. He likely got a list of Gen 7 Pokémon and chose Incineroar because he wanted a wrestler in Smash.

I truly don't think K. Rool would have been even remotely on Sakurai's radar had it not been for the ballot/excessive demand. He had so many other chances to add K. Rool back when he WAS relevant and didn't go for them.

>piranha plant could have been anyone
But it couldn't. That is a moveset unique to the character.
>roar
I didn't care for the Pokemon but his implementation is well done. His moves are fun, unique, and satisfying. It's been evident since late Smash 4 that Sakurai intends to give characters some more unique playstyles moving forward and Ultimate has just doubled down on that. Perhaps Waluigi could have been interesting but plant feels inspired.

>“deserve”

K. Rool and Dark Samus are Legacy picks tho
Relevancy still matters
its just its not always Recency garbage like Rex and Springman

>Piranha plant could have been literally anyone. Anyone.
Sakurai's reasoning was that the Bonus DLC character needed to be someone that EVERYONE, no matter what your gaming experience, would recognize.

Well he already fucked that up with Joker. I'm not complaining though.

dont forget he was added like DH and ROB was
an unexpected pick to be something that has never been playable in a Mario game before.