Nintendo's president is mad because most people only buy 1 or 3 month online subscriptions for Smash instead of buying a year subscription.
>Like other consoles’ online subscription services, people can either sign up for a full year of Nintendo Switch Online at once or just go month by month, the latter an option which’ll eventually end up costing more. Still, Nintendo’s company president Shuntaro Furukawa said in a Q&A session with investors (via GamesIndustry.biz) that a growing number of people are opting to subscribe for shorter amounts of time as opposed to signing up for a full year.
>“We are not disclosing details by each membership plan but among consumers who have purchased memberships, however, a growing percentage is now opting for shorter plans like the one-month membership,” Furukawa said. “This is in contrast to the situation around the end of October of last year, when we reported that over half were opting for a 12-month family or individual membership."
>To encourage those subscribers to opt for either the yearlong membership whether that means they do so as an individual or through the family account, Furukawa said its “critical” people continue using the service for long stretched of time and said the company wants to “boost the appeal” of it for yearly subscribers.
>“It is critical that these members want to continue using the service for a long time rather than letting it expire, and for that we need to build relationships with consumers and enrich the content" Furukawa said. “With this in mind, we are currently planning ways to boost the appeal of the service on a yearly basis. We will announce more details as soon as we are ready.”
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Give a reason to pay for it, all the games are p2p and it's retarded to charge just for the permission to play.
I still haven't bought their online service. I thought monster hunter might do it, but I enjoy playing it solo more.
You know what they say, when things don't go your way, give up.
Give better rewards then NES games, there's like 5 that weren't surpassed by their SNES counterparts.
The service is shit.
It would have been worth it if you could message friends, download and buy n64,snes,nes,gb,gbc,gba,GC,wii games as a premium member. And have a better online servers on their games.
>buy 1 month for smash
>see that it's a laggy disaster
>don't renew
>wtf i'm pissed
Its basically worthless an I barely use it because no gaems, I play MK8 with friends
I can't even play Smash that much because the online so so fucked
>constant lag when other games work fine
>can't do local co-op in an arena lobby
how the fuck are me and my roommates supposed to play with our friends, each have a switch and a copy? What about kids who share a system?
Fucking retarded, I might not even renew for the cheap $20 it isnt worth it, better off getting a pizza.
Also its all P2P what a scam
Paid online has killed Mario Tennis Aces online. I will never forgive them!
>only games available are NES games
Who the fuck do they think is going to pay to stream NES games? Put SNES games on, for the love of God. The datamine showed it's coming. Quit bitching and fucking do it already.
Nintendo is the stupidest company about delaying releases, it's like they purposely make every year as thin as possible
>>To encourage those subscribers to opt for either the yearlong membership whether that means they do so as an individual or through the family account, Furukawa said its “critical” people continue using the service for long stretched of time and said the company wants to “boost the appeal” of it for yearly subscribers.
Wait, is that why they added the Tetris BR thing?
Do they really think kids will subscribe because of that?
killed DBFZ too :(
Seethe harder, old faggot. There's no reason for me to get the full year.
>“This is in contrast to the situation around the end of October of last year, when we reported that over half were opting for a 12-month family or individual membership."
>be 4 months later
>WTF why aren't people who already have 12 monh subscriptions buying more??
this would make sense, I bet most people who paid for online recently were normalfags who just wanted to play Smash. Now that it's been a while since Smash came out, they're starting to let their membership expire because it's not worth renewing
All they have to do to get me to sign up for a year is put snes, n64, and gb/gbc/gba games on there but they refuse so I refuse to sign up. Only nes games being drip fed after two years into the system's life is ridiculous.
Maybe if the paid online had anything over their the free online they had before or if the old game releases had anything over the virtual console service then people would go for it, but so far it's just outright worse in every way.
Well Smash wasn't out in October, so most people buying online plans at that point were probably Splatoon players (who likely already know they would want to play for longer than a year) or just fanboys buying a year membership for the sake of buying it
I'd imagine that most of their customers are familiar with the Wii or Wii U online service, which was practically the same as the Switch's (ie. shit) but cost nothing. Nobody wants to pay for something that they used to have for free.
add virtual console and let people play all the games free with a subscription
if they just got the entire first party nes line up from the wii or wii u's VC on like last time I dont think people would be complaining about it just being nes games
>play the shit out of smash using a one month plan
>no real updates on the horizon
>Splatoon is confirmed to start not getting content
>everything else bar those two and Mario Kart 8 is dead online
>go on to other single player titles
Nintendo, how do you manage to be the literal most retarded company when it comes to online
By being run by old nipponese guys
>create a paid online service
>uh oh it's not ready for the switch's release
>better give free online for the time being
>delay the paid online for some time
>all the while people are saying the free online is ass and you're receiving feedback that it sucks
>uh oh we're not ready again
>delay the paid online again
>oh no we're STILL not ready
>delay it AGAIN
>finally finish it, launch it
>it somehow is no different because you clearly didn't take any feedback from when it was free
>nobody wants to buy it because it sucks
>act surprised
>"we must do something!"
No fucking shit Mr. Furukawa. Hey seeing you guys are buddying up with Microsoft maybe use this as an opportunity to learn how to do online right. I'll keep using XLink Kai for now
Was it delayed? I was just under the impression that they were trying to get people hooked before they made you pay for it and had it come out right before smash
Seriously though it’s retarded
>here’s your (alright for being free)) free online
Thanks, could be a bit better but it’s free
>here’s the exact same thing but now you have to PAY for it and many things that use it are much more dead
really? So it's not worth getting then?
The selling point was NES games, I blame nugamers obsessed with games they never played
>paying to be able to use an online "infrastructure" that has been turned P2P, i.e. that you provide yourself in the end
I like Nintendo, but that's fucking retarded, and I hope it blows up in their face.
Looks like it starts to do just that, so this is fine.
On thank GOD maybe it won’t be shit anymore.
My previous experience with Nintendo would suggest that they tend to put out about one game per year worth playing online. For the Wii U I only really put time into Mario Kart and Splatoon and I only played them in shorter bursts. It will be cheaper to just buy a short subscription whenever I buy a new game rather than buying a year and wasting 80% of the time. Of course I'm not going to do that either since I'm not willing to pay at all. The only reason I bought a Switch early is so I could get my fill of Splatoon 2.
What could they feasibly do to improve the service?
>Get dedicated servers for at least some big online games like Smash and Splatoon instead of peer-to-peer so that there's actually a direct benefit to the online service being paid instead of free
>Offer a selection of games beyond NES shit that everyone who cares has already played, up to N64 titles at the absolute minimum
>Offer other minor benefits like small discounts on the Eshop or something or earning more gold points
Smash online is the worst online I’ve experienced in the last 8 or so years. So I’m not surprised.
>It will be cheaper to just buy a short subscription whenever I buy a new game rather than buying a year and wasting 80% of the time.
this.
I was going to buy the online for smash, but kept my free 7-day trial for when it came out, and since it expired i never renewed. Its a shitty online service with really no reason to pay for. I'm not going to invest online for one game. They shouldn't have tied thier nes games to it, im sure people would have paid out of pocket to digitally purchased their older games, and would have made a more sustainable profit based on it.
My advice: just give us Virtual Console like N64 SNES GB GBC GBA and maybe GCN if they dont remaster them.
Just cause its "only $20 a year" isn't a valid reason, i could use 20$ to a game or DLC.
lol its nintendo we're talking about. I;m sure Iwata would have tried to push VC on the switch, but better onlnie, nah Nintendo likes to cut corners if they think its unecessary.
They killed the online mode for all games except maybe 4 games. They can go fuck themselves.
Delaying it to give it a better chance of success is much more likely than delaying it because it wasn't ready. Had it failed during the first few months, they would have to back down and would not have another chance. Trying to push it from the beginning when there wasn't much available to play online would have been a much bigger risk compared to launching with with Smash.
$20 a year for a complete Nintendo virtual library is quite a good deal I’ve always thought. It’ll never happen though.
but it launched 3 months before Smash
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Get out of here with that clickbait shit.
Nintendo hasn't made a game worth playing yet, why pay for garbage when I can play the best games on my Playstation 4 Pro? Gams like Uncharted 4, The Last of Us, Spiderman, Gran Turismo, Detroit: Become Human, God of War and so many more. Playstation has online worth buying too thanks to their amazing network that really has your back with cloud saves. There really is no better place to game this gen than on Playstation.
It might be badly translated or maybe he expressed himself poorly but reading this makes me think we'll get either a bigfer discount or exclusives games for 1year subs.
it's literally a quote from the president from an interview
I just hope we get SOMETHING
NES games and tetris BR don't cut it
Paid online is a fucking scam, especially when it lacks basic features like communicating to people on your friends list in any way. Plus, you're paying for shitty p2p connections, not even dedicated servers.
nah Iwata would gave VC day one, Kimi was good at to an extent with drawing in people to trust the switch. This fucking otaku Furukawa, literal fag, says he's a gamer but does the complete opposite for what with playerbase really wants. he looks so pitiful i'd fuck em up.
I like how they went from 3 NES games to 2 NES games a month. It's pretty funny to me.
did they delay it because they weren't done with their animation with bowser jr mario and luigi using the online service? that literally was a depressing direct.
Then don't post the link, retard.
Killed a whole ton of games. Fucking Nintenfucks.
If nothing with online comes out for more than 3 months, why would anyone purchase the yearly subscription? Not everyone can play Smash for months without getting bored. There's literally nothing else that recent that's actually worth it.
It's a terrible service no matter how cheap it is.
>b-but free games!
yeah, streaming roms is sure a good feature
Did they really thought they could get more money by streaming roms instead of just releasing them on the virtual console?
Instead of offering us 2 or 3 roms a month how about giving us access to a netflix like collection of all your old first party games from the NES to the N64?
Sony worked hard on establishing PS+. What did Nintendo do? Jack shit. Nintendo wanted the reward without the work, as usual. Now both Plus and Ninty Online are cancerous but the former atleast worked for its userbase.
stop drip feeding fucking NES games that have been on VC for years and just give people the full VC library of games from Wii/Wii U and treat it like netflix
i wouldn't mind if we pay 20$ a year to have access as well to purchase VC titles too, but its nintendo they want to haggle us.
>Nintendo president is mad
Where did he appear angry?
only thing i'd really pay online for is Final Fantasy MMO but i dont have a ps4 or pc able to run it
Offering games from 1987 as some sort of incentive is just hilarious.
Congratulations, you just killed the entire Switch indie market.
why can't we have super mario or donkey kong battle royale in the same way tetris has done it, that concept is like a live high-scoreboard in a way that can be implemented in any old NES game.
Seems close enough to me to be considered within the launch window. Maybe there is more that goes into in it that we don't see, but it doesn't look like anything has actually changed that would justify development time. Maybe it is more difficult to block people from playing online and disabling the NES games than I give them credit for. I don't see any benefits that were not been available on this or previous Nintendo consoles.
Especially when they’re only a google search away and FREE on literally any pc.
It came out in Sep 2018, Smash came out in Dec 2018.
Also read in the first article what Reggie said
>"the reason we’ve delayed the full paid subscription, is we want to make sure that as we get all of our learnings, and we build all of the elements." -Reggie, E3 2017
Now say what you want about he's a figurehead or it's damage control or whatever but with the way Nintendo tried to market it as being an expansion on the Switch's features they clearly wanted everything to be included at launch. The problem is there "everything" is shit
Provide a better service. No, more roms are not a better service.
Problem with yearly payments is once you pay for it you're committed to the service. You almost feel like you have to use it or you'll feel like you just wasted your money. There's not enough on the service to make it worthwhile so people don't want to make that commitment.
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>Not everyone can play Smash for months without getting bored.
I can only talk about Mario Kart in that context. Don't play it regularly, but drop back into it every few months for a few races over a weekend. Currently on 3DS and WiiU, though.
Would never consider to get a subscription for such an off and on usage.
Nintendo have fucked themselves royally in the ass, and I hope this gets painful for them.
>streaming roms
>shitty online
>missing BASIC features
>"why aren't people buying this?"
Nintendo fucking sucks, I paid for 1 month just to play smash and it was fucking terrible.
do you think nintendo rolled back its youtube policy because they needed to have smash youtube channels to promote the game to sell? I honestly think that pulled back in time for people to promote their game without being so hostile to Nintendo about creative content. still smash is boring, not even excited for its DLC anymore, its a soulless game now, Sakurai didn't give a shit and is finally jumping ship. Literally contemplating to spend my gold points on Fortnite V-bucks, and I don't really play Fortnite or care.
Indies are shit, only AAA titles are worth a damn
So reasonably speaking, what are the odds that Nintendo will actually mend Switch Online’s problems and provide real incentives to sign up during the Switch’s lifetime?
Two words:
Voice Chat
Tetris 99 is a good sign of things to come, but they really need to add SNES games as well
They are using Xbox live to fix their online service.
probably with a price increase for membership if anything, no way in hell they won't, it would be called something above "basic membership"
Zero, they'll release SNES games at most, but it'll still be a terrible mess with no redeeming quality.
Next to none, we'll have to hope they get it right with their next console.
Furukawa has done literally nothing so far, do you think they pulled the Switch out of their ass too? You can be 100% sure the VC situation would be the same if Iwata was still alive
>told you fuckers the shitch was going to suck dk peanuts
>nobody listened
Any Former nintendo fanboys here?
Wait can you not play MK8 online anymore if you don't pay?
have you seen the state of the eshop?
Fuckin endless indie trash, I would call it on par with steam indie trash.
fuck off
roms means nothing
So no, SNES games are not going to incentive people to subscribe
>two years into Switch
>Nintendo still hasn't bothered with a Miiverse style community, despite Wii U online being free and also available at launch.
if you don't pay then the only thing you can play online is Fortnite.
this is true
bad news is that, since there's no regional pricing, most games become more expensive than their steam counterparts
>roms
You mean a NES streaming service.
Can't wait for the subscription price to be jacked up to $60 a year with no changes in the online servers nor proper voice chat.
Do they even have game discounts like PS+?
they're probably dumb enough to think miiverse somehow contributed to Wii U failing
Don't know
>online play
unless them teaming with MS let's them leverage XBL by paying MS a large amount for it I don't see them getting servers or anything good like that
>NES: NSO
Expand it to AT LEAST all 2D Nintendo systems (SNES, GB, GBC, GBA) if not some 3D ones (N64 and DS, GCN is stretching it). But Nintendo are greedy, I doubt you get anything more than SNES if you get SNES at all
>Cloud saves
Maaaaaaaybe they let you backup for all games without the stupid 24hr limit but not sure about this one
>Smartphone app
Yeah they aren't ditching this. Japan loves their phones, so Ninty thinks using a phone is a great idea, AND it's not what PS+Xbox do so it follows Iwata's blue ocean strategy. Not only that but the Switch OS is limited to 0.75GB of RAM (this can't be increased as they already promised devs 3.25GB and taking some away means some games might not work) and I don't think there's enough room for a buffer for voice chat in there (for comparison Xbox uses 3GB and PS4 3.5GB for the OS)
>special offers
can't say but if they are just selling overpriced 8bitdo clones then no
I still don't know why they killed Miiverse
Because they couldn’t control people posting porn probably
It's not streaming (you can play offline for up to 7 days before you must check in to reset) but it's still garbage
No.
Iwata was nintendo's soul
Nintendo's soul died with him
>tfw have a wii u and can already play Smash 4 and MK8 on there for free
What's the incentive to upgrade right now with most of the Switch's library being Wii U ports? I really hope they announce some good shit during e3's direct this year, otherwise I'm just going to turn my wii u into an emulation machine.
I won’t buy it just because they killed virtual console.
They need to extend the online games they offer before they start complaining. A great way to get people hype for the new Links Awakening would be to release the oracle games on the subscription, but they would never do it. Like others have said a million times, they need SNES, N64, GameCube, and so on and so forth games to really make the subscription worth it and attractive to consumers
It wasnt worth it from the beginning
The good indie games would be fine. I don't really care, though. I'd much rather have a giant library of nes-n64 plus gb-gba games than any indie game.
Hell better yet why not actually put netflix, prime and hulu like even the fucking wii and wii u have?
I'm still baffled they haven't added these to the switch 2 years later.
as someone who owned the wii u, the switch looks even worse than it.
Poor fanboys and their poor raped assholes.
>paying for online
No way fag.
1. No one cares about old ass NES games when you pay for an online service. Hell, the majority of switch owners probably wouldn't care about SNES games either, and even if they did...
2. The output of switch online games they give you is glacial. They have had years to build up a library with the eShop on wii, there is no reason they should be releasing 1 to 3 games from the 80s A MONTH.
This so much, can't they see that it would be THE most valuable thing for anyone? Nintendo fan or not I.
They could sell a billion switches with the promise of N64 and GC games.
>Arena Lobbies allow you to make private rooms that anyone can join
>just create dummy accounts to play Smash against friends
Eat shit Nintendo.
I don't get it either, they finally got a decent online community system going then shut it down for no fucking reason.
It's like they're trying to pull some stalinist censorship over the Wii U ever existing now with killing off miiverse and porting all of its games over.
>Nintendo adds new tiers for online
>regular edition features nes games only
>plus edition features snes games only ($30)
>ultra edition features n64 games only ($40)
>premiun edition features all nes/snes/n64 games, but limited to only one console, picked at random, every fifteen days ($50)
If he hadn't posted a link then people would just ask for a source and say OP is full of shit, double retard.
Based.
Wow are people finally waking up to the fact that paying for online is a literal jew tactic. You shouldnt have to pay 60$ for a game and then another monthly fee just to play online with other people.
Rest in peace wii shop channel (killed off for no fucking reason like the Wii's online servers).
>make online
>make mario party
>dont have mario party use online properly
>WHY NOONE LIKE OUR DUMB IDEAS?!?!?!
one fuckin job and you idiotballed it.
based Phil.
Mario tennis aces mp was killed by NSO
Imagine being Nintendo. You are a company that:
>Sees poor reception for something you're about to put out
>Proceed to delay the everloving hell out of it, making the complains fester unchecked for even longer periods of time
>Ignore all the negative news that's building up from fans who are starved for information so create multiple stories on it
>Finally release a lackluster product that confirms the fears everyone has had the entire time they were left in the dark
>When it starts floppoing, blame the consumers for not "understanding" the value and appeal of what you're selling instead of re-evaluating what went wrong
How can one company be so ass backwards? The customer is always right was a term coined for this exact situation; you can't sell people shit that thwy don't fucking want. There's no market for discarded toenail clippings no matter how much you dress it up, so why bother trying to make it appealing?
Nintendo does this every generation. Come up with a great concept and then never take it to it's full potential. They always hold back on going all the way with anything so we always get their lazy, half assed efforts and they expect the fanbase to eat it up and throw money at em which they always do hoping Nintendo will someday give em what they want but they don't.
Nintendo won't fix online. They won't offer better deals. It'll never be what Xbox Live or PS+ are. They won't ever do servers. They'll make the usual confusing decisions and then expect money as always.
Most NES games are awful. I tried playing some of the ones they're offering on a friend's console and they were all terrible. I don't know why the fuck they thought shit like Ice Climbers was a good idea and I wouldn't even pay a dollar to pay most of them, let alone a subscription.
Nintendo is very conservative in the way it operates, Japanese corporate culture is generally extremely stubborn as a rule
>What's the incentive to upgrade right now
the fact that only 3 people bought a wiiu
>Not ready for release
It clearly was. They didn't fuckin add much at all. They just probably assumed incorrectly that people would be grateful for the free year of service and pay up out of good will. Kind of a "we've been so generous to give you this free year for supporting is after the wiiu blunder, and we've proven ourselves to have made a killer app, so please give us money???"
If they did it right after the WiiU fail, people would be hesitant to even buy the Switch in the first place so their initial sales figures would be down. They needed those sales for investors, so thought it was the best course of action.
>Make online more expensive with the promise of more consoles
>Make the most expensive one only let you play whatever console they want
Fuck I hate you so much, user. This is exactly how they'd do it and they'd think it was a fantastic idea too so people will keep paying $50 hoping the next 15 days they'll finally get the console they wanted.
>Not everyone can play Smash for months without getting bored.
The godawful online ruins it for people that would play smash for months.
Nintendo Switch Online is doing really well. I have noticed that the vast majority of people bitching don't seem to have ever used it, considering how so many people insist that games like Smash and Arms are '''''dead'''' because of NSO.
The Wii's online services ironically got better after it shutdown, least for Mario Kart Wii, which now has proper anticheat moderation, active challenge missions and easy ghost racing that also includes user-created courses.
It also feels less laggy than the Wii and Switch's combined
To answer your question, it's because Nintendo knows they have plenty of ass-licking corporate drones like who will support everything they do no matter how shitty.
Enjoy buying ports for twice their price with paid online I guess
I know the online isn’t perfect but I never had a particularly bad time (unless it was clearly from the other person with the game stopping almost) with online after I changed some arbitrary number in the internet settings
I think it was called MTU?
>online quality is still as bad as it was on DS WFC back in 2005
>bonuses for subscribing are a joke
>big online system sellers are still just the same party game reiterations people have been playing since the N64
They want to imitate PS+ and XBL's success but aren't doing anything at all to actually accomplish it.
>tfw still have 24 hours until I'm able to join servers for wiimifi
Fuck that 7 day delay but I understand their reasoning behind it, any other games with active online besides Mario Kart Wii?
>Give us actual voice chat
>Give us actual friends messages
>Give us themed included with the sub so that we can customize our switch, it doesn't cost much on their end so they can fuckin justify giving us some free jpgegs to look pretty
Not it's starting to feel worth it. Online gaming is first and foremost about socializing. Why the fuck would you remove the social aspect from it and think people will want it still?
GIVE ME YOUR MONEY GOYJIN
PAY US TO PLAY USING A PEER-TO-PEER CONNECTION GOYJIN
>When it starts flopping, blame the consumers for not "understanding" the value and appeal of what you're selling instead of re-evaluating what went wrong
Christ, this literally is what's happening. They don't wanna fix the service to make it more worthwhile. They care more that people aren't giving them money. Which is why they'll never fix it. They will do everything possible to offer less for more and wait for you to take the bait.
If the Wii U was supposedly such a terrible console then how come the Switch has so many Wii U ports?
At this point, is it worth it to just hack the Switch and be a pirate? Does it have emulation on it yet?
>I wouldn't even pay a dollar to pay most of them, let alone a subscription.
this is why they kill rom sites
That's the case for every console though. Do you really think that sony gives 3rd party developers free dedicated servers?
>president literally says most people only buy short-term subs
>N-NO IT'S DOING WELL
lol
Brawl's got completely gutted outside of Friend Rooms due to compatibility issues. Unlike Kart which can abuse regionals, you can't just set up different rooms for different modpacks, and since a vast amount of people play things like Project M or Minus, you'd end up with a match that'd kick you due to different things happening on different people's systems. Friend Rooms still work though, so if you can set up a room with a few people somewhere you could have a good time with that. Did a bit of Project M that way.
The rest also exist, but have pretty inactive communities unless you can gather a few guys to give it a shot.
>how come nintendo doesn't just ignore a bunch of games they made for a system no one bought instead of putting them on a system people are actually buying where they might actually sell
it is a mystery
Are you saying in the premium plan you get a rotation of NES/SNES/N64 every 15 days while the lower ones constantly have a single system?
Even if it's Nintendo I don't see them not giving everything in the lower plans to the higher ones
Start releasing 5 games per month for the NES service MINIMUM and give us SNES as well, then maybe it'll be worth $20 a year. This 2 per month dripfeeding bullshit is not going to entice anyone.
Reminder that Smash SHOULD be Peer 2 Peer and anyone who disagrees is literally just parroting shit about "dedicated servers" without knowing what they're talking about.
Splatoon 2 should definitely have proper servers though, I can SORTA excuse it as online service not being released when the game was made, but the inevitable Splatoon 3 has no fucking excuse (also it should add fucking lobbies that let you properly matchmake while playing with friends how did they fuck that up twice)
Because sony actually has a good service and plus has been a good deal since ps2 days.
Nintendo's deal is worthless and laughable.
Xniggers are used to being fucked in the ass so they probably forgot they all have that shit on auto renewal at this point.
no one said the games were shit but no one buys games for a console that isn't selling
If your game isn't good enough to compete with 25 year old video games then maybe you need to reconsider your day job.
If the games were good then why didn't people buy a Wii U to play them?
Is it just a touchpad for Wii?
Let's be real here, guys. As Nintendo releases more and more high quality online games more and more people are going to jump on board with NSO.
I am baffled at you cheap fucks who are somehow incapable of paying a twenty dollar yearly fee.
Friendly reminder you can hack your switch and play OoT and Mario64 on the go, not sure what other games or how many 64 you can emulate too.
>As Nintendo releases more and more high quality online games
such as what?
What do they even have on the horizon besides Pokemon that will have online multiplayer?
>As Nintendo releases more and more high quality online games
Like? Even the likes of Smash isn't making people pay for it.
>Barebones payed online that shouldn't even have a price tag yet
>People test it out with one-month memberships
>WHAT THE FUCK YOU GUYS BUY YEARLY MEMBERSHIPS
>As Nintendo releases more and more high quality online games more and more people are going to jump on board with NSO.
Such as? All the big games that would make online worth having are already out and have been out for a while. I can't see them releasing anything in the future that would make people change their minds about paying for the online.
because there's a middle ground between worth buying a console just to play and complete shit that the majority of people believed the wiiu's games fell into, if they put an ok game on a console that's actually selling people are more willing to buy it since they already have the hardware
They need to do jackshit to sell more online subs, they'll sell them on pokemon2019 alone, just like they did with smash.
mario kart 9 will save NSO
Not their fault they gave me multiple accounts and 7 day trials
So then what made the Switch worth buying in comparison to the Wii U when most of its games are just Wii U ports? Saying people won't buy a console that isn't selling is circular reasoning.
>laggy disaster
I know it's not an argument to say, "not mine." But I literally never have any lag problems unless I'm playing some fag with potato internet. What kind of internet do you guys use?
First: the WiiU's marketing was atrocious so a lot of people didn't know or care about the console.
Second: the WiiU's first party library consisted almost ENTIRELY of rehashes and spinoffs and nobody wants a console just for that. The Switch offers new games and uses WiiU ports as a supplement IN ADDITION to new major games, not INSTEAD OF. The WiiU ports indirectly become more enticing thanks to the Switch having its own library of enticing primary games.
At least they give you games and shit if you pay for their service. Nintendo Online is easily the worst of the three.
>just like they did with smash.
according to the president, Smash only got people to buy short-term subs. Why would Pokemon be different?
It'll be the same as it is right now- normalfags will buy 1 or 3 month subs while the fanboys buy yearly subs
Good. Fuck having to pay for something that used to be free.
>lol its just $20 for a shitty service user
You should give more thought to how you spend your hard earned money user, you never know when you'll need it.
The success of the Wii bit them in the ass. They thought that it was brilliant to include 'Wii' in the name of the new console since people would be familiar with hit; but it actually just made people think it was an overpriced accessory they had no use for.
it was fucked up to have free online for a year then change it. but i paid because i like playing smash online. they need to put snes games on there
>So then what made the Switch worth buying in comparison to the Wii U
the better version of breath of the wild, a game people thought was worth buying a console for
don't worry he already got plenty of idiots with tetris battle royale, loved all the inbreds that defended paid online with it in the last few days
Nobody will give a shit until they add SNES games and beyond. Even normies don't care about NES games anymore.
>microsoft
>Online done right
oh noooooo
nintendos online is genuinely dogshit. nope, dont even try and defend it. even the biggest nintendo cock gobblers admit this. why would anyone pay for a 1 year sub to a mediocre online experience for a game most will only play for a few months anyway? until nintendo can offer an online experience comparable to their competition they won't then their president can keep crying his bitch tears.
>what are the odds that Nintendo will actually mend Switch Online’s problems
A tragedy.
Early on I was pretty disappointed that I wouldn't be able to Homebrew and online at the same time like has been possible on the 3ds, Wii u, and Wii. But considering there's almost 0 reason to have online at this point I'm starting to not care as much. Pokemon wouldn't even be a reason if I was interested since actual battles are better in simulators like Showdown
It's because retail store employees sell 1 and 3 month subs to people who don't know a year is a better deal.
it just blows my mind how bad nintendo overlooks online play. smash is one of their biggest titles. they absolutely have to know people want to play it online and yet they cut as many corners as possible, release a disgusting mess, and have the audacity to ask people to give them money for it. this has been a problem with literally every single console of their since the wii and they've done fuck all to address it and im legit pissed about it.
If this is the case, then good, the majority of the indie scene has needed a good kick in the ass anyway. People are getting sick of low level pixelshit games.
If he's so mad about it, then maybe there should be more incentive to paying the full $20/yr like an expanded Virtual Console library that's updated more often, better netplay, extended discounts on games a la PS+, etc
This. It makes me sick when people say the lack of AAA third party games on Switch doesn't matter because of muh indies.
How poor do you have to be to not be able to afford $20/year for online play, Tetris 99 and nes games
Convince me to buy it in the first place. In its current form, it's a joke. Dedicated servers for online games would be a start.
As long as they hold multiplayer hostage behind a paywall they can go fuck themselves. I'm not gonna make an exception because it's Nintendo.
Apparently voting with your wallet does get noticed, so that's nice.
They need to offer a better service. I bought the full year because I new $20 was a drop in the bucket, but I have friends who decided to just say "fuck this" and hack their switches instead. Not sure if it was in protest or what, but these are guys who would seriously pour more time than I did into online gaming. One of them is a true diehard Nintendo fanboy too, but he was livid that he would have to pay to play online and even moreso that he was just going to get a slow drip of NES games when he already owned the NES Classic.
Nintendo doesn't know their ass from their elbow, honestly, and I wonder if Reggie partially stepped down because he knew his guys screaming at Nintendo HQ in Japan was just going to make them blue in the face. I feel bad for NOA and Treehouse. We shit on them a lot here on Yea Forums, but they have to put on a fake smile and pretend that Nintendo offers a great package. They absolutely all own Xboxes and Playstations and know that NIntendo's services are ass. Even Reggie admitted he doesn't own just Nintendo consoles.
It's a fucking joke and they need to fix it, but it won't change until the old Japanese businessmen retire, die, or hand over the reigns to young blood. I honestly am becoming more convinced every day that Nintendo needs to hand over the majority of their hardware and service design jobs to Western developers while the guys over in Japan just focus on making the games. Seriously. It's a strategy that seems to have worked for Sony for a long fucking time, so why not steal it?
If Microsoft getting involved is more than just Xbox live and actually means they're going to have Microsoft support/rework Nintendo's online infrastructure, holy fuck would that be glorious. It kind of has to happen, to be honest, if Game Pass is legitimate.
Here you go.
>b-b-but the other consoles
yes it's good that microsoft started jewing more money out of people to use their own internet and then sony did it and now nintendo does it. based nintendo
They should try offering a service that isn't objectively worse than what people were giving away for free 13 years ago.
Smash is the only game worth playing online.
Maybe Spla2n as well, but the game is rather old and only really worth it to play for 30 minutes a day to grind for some money to buy that new gun or outfit.
Paid online is a scummy practice anyway, and deserves to be shattered.
Not him, but I do not doubt this won't be coming to other platforms in time.
Or hell, worse than their own previous console
Can you imagine if they introduced the paywall at the same time as the smash release? People would be all like "fuck you nintendo". Bet they released it a few months earlier as damage control.
Worse than the free online a previous generation handheld had.
Wouldn't dedicated servers for Smash just make people with bad connections teleport around or grab from across the stage?
>implying everyone criticizing xbl are the ones defending psonline
kys
What is Xlink kai?
This. I regret buying it for switch
>published by Nintendo
Maybe phones.
Dedicated servers are shit for fighting games and "fighting games". But for fuck's sake, add them to everything else.
Succ my ass
Just make a year subscription cost less than a month subscription. Problem solved.
I used the free online trial that came with Monster Hunter Generations U. Why on earth would I pay for Online when there are 20 players online at most during peak hours? Especially since I can't even find rooms for monsters that are relevant to me. No shit no one is going to pay for that. Even if it's cheap it's still not worth the trouble of setting it up to get something entirely pointless.
Pic related.
>until nintendo can offer an online experience comparable to their competition then their president can keep crying his bitch tears.
This. Once Nintendo can get a PC level service I will be willing to pay PC level prices for it. They won't be getting anything from me until then.
System messaging when? What's the point of letting us add people but can't really communicate with them because there is no invite or messaging app to ask if they want to play or something?
Make a turns room. Also, there were plenty of rooms before Smash released.
Honestly, there's a simple solution for this. Sign an agreement with Microsoft and let the Switch work with Xbox Live. Then, transition Nintendo Online into a subscription virtual console service that actually gets a steady stream of retro games every week. You could even bundle this virtual console with the impending switch version of Game pass.
You say this like the tetris company won't just license to anybody who could copy this with ease.
It sucks there is no Miiverse anymore, especially the integration into SMM was neat, but it's more than understandable that Nintendo pulled the plug on it. It literally wasn't worth the pain. They are probably glad to have pulled it in time before some sexual exploitation shit happened.
I want Microsoft and Nintendo to join forces solely because Nintendo has no idea how to run a company.
at least the games you get with the Xbox gamepass are downloaded and just deactivate streaming games that require fast reactions i.e almost all NES games is retarded on many levels
Tetris 99 is a step in the right direction since, unlike the NES library, it actually uses the online function rather than having it just be a paywall.
We need more free, simple games that revolve around being online. Nintendo got something good with Tetris and they could easily expand on that with other games.
>service is subpar
>not a lot of games use the system
>biggest game last year doesn't even require NSO
>nobody cares about NES roms
>one big chunk of the audience must be kids without income
>the other 2 systems also struggle to get 50%+ of their users to sign into paid online
I don't know what was he expecting.
I've been called a nintendo shill on here a ton but they really fucked up with offering nothing but NES games for the online service. I have sincerely not been interested in playing a NES game in like ten years, I've beaten all the games I'm gonna beat and they're really not deep enough to warrant too many more playthroughs. Yes we all love Mario 3 but it's not enough. There's very little reason, despite "fuck the consumers we can wring some more money out of them down the line", to not offer at least a collection of SNES, N64, GBA games etc. They've got them running on the Wii U, they're only a couple of MB's a pop so storage wouldn't be a problem. This would dramatically increase incentive for people to pay for online.
>10 gold points have been deposited into your account
>Offer a selection of games beyond NES shit that everyone who cares has already played, up to N64 titles at the absolute minimum
I'd rather have it so instead of "renting" the NES games, they'd give you credits for each month you're subbed that you can use to buy VC games. Like, enough credits to buy 2 or 3 games, and those games you keep even if your subscription runs out (you just lose the online play in that case). I mean, if they're scared people would buy every game and then have no incentive to sub, they could add SNES, GB, GBA, N64 titles and adjust their credit value accordingly, plus the NES library alone is so massive even when taking out licensed games, that it would take a while for someone to have every game.
Also, whoever at Nintendo had the idea of the SP titles is an idiot. That's literally what the chinese bootleggers do to pad their multicarts, except the bootleggers at least have the "decency" to make those as romhacks with title screen and everything instead of fucking savestates.
Japan hated buying Virtual Console games. They like this new subscription model, and you know how Nintendo is with their JP market.
Let me share games with people within my family group you Nintenjews. Also, Splatoon 2, Smash lobbys, among other games need to be freekin server based already.
>service
It's not a fucking service. Years of Microsoft and Sony brainwashing must have truly gotten to people. I see people call it a service all the time now. It's fucking not.
Your room mate blocking you from entering your apartment, in spite of how you're the one paying the rent, refusing to let you in unless you slide him $20. Is not a service.
And the dude saying that it's cool and that he'll give you the beer in the refrigerator for playing nice, still does not make into a damn service.
The platform provider blocking you from using the hardware that you've already paid for, with the internet service that you've already paid your internet service provider for. Will never be a service no matter how much sprinkles or sparkles they slap on top of it all. It is not a service.
Servers.
Messaging.
Voice chat that isn't insane.
Quit short changing non-Japanese people with less NES games a month. Either give us the untranslated shit and some information about the game or give us an alternate game.
Up it to five NES games a month while you're at it.
Throw in three SNES games a month.
Two N64 games a month.
One GC or Wii game alternating each month?
eShop discounts AND more gold points. Perhaps give me the fucking gold points you're ripping me off for by buying physical instead of digital like the good goy you want me to be.
Go ahead and give me a theme for every first party game I buy too.
>expecting nintendorones to have actual money
stop making consoles with 30 accessories, rereleasing consoles with custom art, and making collector editions of every 1st party game. nintenbros are already poor as it is with their waggie jobs.